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I guess instead of spending billions on fighting in irag and Afghanistan, Uk gov should think about handing out free condoms

lol...

as expected from low morals society..kids having babies..womens get laid with animals..lol..a man rape his daughters..any one would like to continue

This is a DUBAI FORUM, remember

This sort of behaviour does go on in this part of the world, sadly, it is a product of human nature, but is not generally reported.

http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/09 ... 85696.html

who knows what next.. maybe in the future the baby girl will grow up to become a hot sexy chick ..and get raped by here father ..

So you consider that a CHILD being forced to marry someone in their 70s is right? This is happening in your part of the world.

Children as young as EIGHT being forced to marry. The only reason they would not be pregnant is because they have not reached puberty.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/541977-s ... rned-again

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast ... index.html

The average Brit thinks this is a disgrace. But at least we are able to openly discuss it and we are allowed to comment on it in our papers and TV.

Just because it happened doesn't mean it was met with approval.

father and his son rape their 14 years family daughter

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/818648.html

father rape his doughter for 24 y

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europ ... index.html

Sheriff who filmed himself raping his daughter

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us ... 744490.ece

Father raped daughter on deserted island


http://www.thelocal.se/5858/20061220/

One in every ten babies born in England is to a teenage mother

http://www.healthcarea2z.org/stdPage.as ... agemothers

Quite, as we have been saying, it goes on EVERYWHERE, no need to waste your time proving it. As Arniegang say:

But at least we are able to openly discuss it and we are allowed to comment on it in our papers and TV.

Unlike here.....

All you guys are proving is that these things happen everywhere in the world - grow up already! We know it does! No where is exempt from these things happening.

Back ON TOPIC!

It's a crying shame that this has happened and children having children is certainly not anything any society would wish to condone or advocate.

Education is what is needed desperately and parents need to keep a closer eye on what their children are up to. The only person that is really going to suffer in this situation is the baby, who is an innocent being, dragged into a situation through no fault of her own.

I read somewhere once that the Netherlands has one of the lowest rate of teenage pregnancies in Europe. This is attributed to the excellent sex education classes in school.

Chocoholic wrote:All you guys are proving is that these things happen everywhere in the world - grow up already! We know it does! No where is exempt from these things happening.

Back ON TOPIC!

It's a crying shame that this has happened and children having children is certainly not anything any society would wish to condone or advocate.

Education is what is needed desperately and parents need to keep a closer eye on what their children are up to. The only person that is really going to suffer in this situation is the baby, who is an innocent being, dragged into a situation through no fault of her own.

Totally agree.

PARENTS / PARENTS / PARENTS & PARENTS

well i have always been against the blame game. let it be the palestine issue or let it be dubai itself. we have ppl from different countries, different races and different religions blame others for their mistakes.

this post is another good example where naruto pointed the fingers at the west and tom jones replied back by pointing fingers at him too.

morale of the story is stop blaming each other, look at your country and your home and your society before you blame others.

UK is not perfect Dubai is not perfect. the world aint perfect. but us humans can make it into a perfect place if we guys stop blaming each other.


do the politicians of UK care about this 13 year old kid who doesnt know the meaning of "financial". should UK be spending millions of tax money which is paid by uk residents on its armed forces so that they can go and kill ppl in afghanistan and iraq? Or should they invest in teaching their new generation about morals and ethics?

Think about the kid. he is 13 and he is a dad already. what will his life be like? probably end up having a rubbish job. think about the new born baby what will his/her life be like?

I do agree it is the parents who should have controlled their children. but i am pretty sure that those parents werent even supported by the gov financially nor did they go to the top school.

it shows that UK a fully developed country, a member of the EU, a member of nato and UN has its own problems.

I am not blaming uk but i do blame the politicians who have taken advantage of their power and they have no care for individuals like me and you.

peace

Wednesday Jones wrote:I read somewhere once that the Netherlands has one of the lowest rate of teenage pregnancies in Europe. This is attributed to the excellent love education classes in school.

Clogs act as a natural contraceptive device. Would you jump someone wearing wooden shoes?

rudeboy wrote:Uk gov should think about handing out free condoms

Agree, and not just the UK but all countries. That may not have made a difference in this case though.

Teenagers get pregnant in all societies whether or not condoms are available for free. Some societies report the story and the mother gives birth. Other societies kill the mothers, and as a result have a lower teenage pregnancy rate. Other societies allow children to get married at a much younger age, and have few or no unmarried mothers as a result.

bonk wrote:

rudeboy wrote:Uk gov should think about handing out free condoms

Agree, and not just the UK but all countries. That may not have made a difference in this case though.

Teenagers get pregnant in all societies whether or not condoms are available for free. Some societies report the story and the mother gives birth. Other societies kill the mothers, and as a result have a lower teenage pregnancy rate. Other societies allow children to get married at a much younger age, and have few or no unmarried mothers as a result.

i agree with you. this goes on around the world. am sure it happens in UAE but we dont get to hear about it.

but the fact is our leaders spend millions on war etc. why cant that money be spent on education and better sex studies? i am shocked this goes on in England. how much is england spending yearly on its armed forces? why not spend that much money on providing education system for ppl from the council estates?

rather then killing ppl why not make your country a better place first?

rudeboy wrote:but the fact is our leaders spend millions on war etc.

If they didn't, they'd get wiped out by other leaders who do. Thousands of years of history and millions of forum posts tell us that humans inherently want to have a crack at each other. There's probably a graph in an economics text book somewhere of guns versus condoms that says the same thing .

well this whole incident shows that no1 is perfect. you can have a nuclear bomb, a huge army and a strong economy like england but you will have problems within your society.

bonk wrote:Clogs act as a natural contraceptive device. Would you jump someone wearing wooden shoes?

If worn by a woman, yes, that would be a major turn on for me. We could do the clog dance together.

rudeboy wrote:well this whole incident shows that no1 is perfect. you can have a nuclear bomb, a huge army and a strong economy like england but you will have problems within your society.

I firmly believe the moral values shown by a huge portion of the UK population are close to zero. That applies to adults as much as children, but it is 100 percent true that in the large towns and cities, the country has allowed youngsters to take over the streets, firstly by apathetic parenting, and secondly by the lack of any serious ability of teachers in schools to punish kids. Also, if police arrest a teenager for violent crime (or even someone of lower age) they will not go to jail or even a youth correctional facility, even repeat offenders, because the prisons and institutions are already full. Children quickly learn they have immense power and little responsibility, hence their atrocious behaviour. Knife crime and now gun crime by kids of all races is rising in the UK.

Social workers, socialist councils, left wing peers of the realm, and all the other 'sandalista' brigade have drawn the teeth of the country's penal system, no-one is scared of anything there any more. It's a shame. And it won't get better.

Remember, just about anything bad you see happening in America will eventually happen in the UK. I've seen it personally for decades.

Wednesday Jones wrote:So you consider that a CHILD being forced to marry someone in their 70s is right? This is happening in your part of the world.
Children as young as EIGHT being forced to marry. The only reason they would not be pregnant is because they have not reached puberty.
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/541977-s ... rned-again
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast ... index.html

OMG, is this true?
first time i read this ..
soooooooo shocking!

The youngest dad is 8 yrs old and youngest mother is 5 yrs old
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071030072221AA4PTfP
http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/medina.asp

I blame Smirnoff Ice!



Knight

Speedhump wrote:

rudeboy wrote:well this whole incident shows that no1 is perfect. you can have a nuclear bomb, a huge army and a strong economy like england but you will have problems within your society.

I firmly believe the moral values shown by a huge portion of the UK population are close to zero. That applies to adults as much as children, but it is 100 percent true that in the large towns and cities, the country has allowed youngsters to take over the streets, firstly by apathetic parenting, and secondly by the lack of any serious ability of teachers in schools to punish kids. Also, if police arrest a teenager for violent crime (or even someone of lower age) they will not go to jail or even a youth correctional facility, even repeat offenders, because the prisons and institutions are already full. Children quickly learn they have immense power and little responsibility, hence their atrocious behaviour. Knife crime and now gun crime by kids of all races is rising in the UK.

Social workers, socialist councils, left wing peers of the realm, and all the other 'sandalista' brigade have drawn the teeth of the country's penal system, no-one is scared of anything there any more. It's a shame. And it won't get better.

Remember, just about anything bad you see happening in America will eventually happen in the UK. I've seen it personally for decades.

got to agree with you. no wonder most of the brits complain about some of the UAE strict rules.

if you have strict rules you wont have any crimes. children in uk have more power then their parents. children in uk can complain to the police and have their parents arrested if they raise a finger on their kids. sorry but how exactly are you supposed to discipline your kid?????? lol

This kind of thing happens in other parts of the world, but it is families selling off their girls for marriage to old perverts, just to have one less mouth to feed. Those young girls become pregnant, but it is "okay" because she is married. Total hypocrisy. In some cultures it is the norm for young teens to marry and start families, so they wouldn't even bat an eyelash about this.

It is a childish argument to say that this kid becoming a father at 13 shows that the UK is not perfect. Who ever argued that it was? What society is perfect? I haven't found one yet...

Everyone can see that a large number of people in some societies have become selfish, putting higher income and personal pursuits over caring for their families. Parents should be raising their children to be good, educated, and productive members of society, not neglecting them and letting them run amok. The government should provide a good education system, but it is parents that are most influential on their own children.

kanelli wrote:This kind of thing happens in other parts of the world, but it is families selling off their girls for marriage to old perverts, just to have one less mouth to feed. Those young girls become pregnant, but it is "okay" because she is married. Total hypocrisy. In some cultures it is the norm for young teens to marry and start families, so they wouldn't even bat an eyelash about this.

It is a childish argument to say that this kid becoming a father at 13 shows that the UK is not perfect. Who ever argued that it was? What society is perfect? I haven't found one yet...

Everyone can see that a large number of people in some societies have become selfish, putting higher income and personal pursuits over caring for their families. Parents should be raising their children to be good, educated, and productive members of society, not neglecting them and letting them run amok. The government should provide a good education system, but it is parents that are most influential on their own children.

Kanelli, I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Is is that too much or too little freedom are both bad? Because personally I prefer TOO LITTLE freedom, as giving kids too much leeway ends up with shameful amounts of teenage crime/pregnancy, and all the rest. Please don't try to defend this horrendous collapse of western moral structure by comparing it to the ing practises of child marriage and legally permitted customs of death and rape we all know have existed in 'other parts of the world' since time immemorial. There is no possible comparison.

In the west for at least 100 years there was a legal and also socially enforced moral framework which mostly protected children from abuse by adults and also by themselves. That framework has almost TOTALLY disintegrated within the last 10-20 years (the worst damage being done just in the last 5-10 years).

I agree that parents are the first line of MORAL education and the school system the second. My point is that BOTH have failed in the UK. I'm not afraid to say it, although it saddens me beyond belief. Whether I would swap what exists now for a MUSLIM system is another matter entirely. I personally believe that our insistence of TOLERANCE above all else has led to our current almost insoluble problems, but the alternative of TOTALITARIAN RELIGIOUS AND SOCIAL laws is far more odious.
If we are witnessing the long heralded 'collapse of western civilization', give me an AK47 because I will still defend it. Let the Archbishop of London declare Jihad and I will go back to the UK and take up arms.

Wednesday Jones wrote:I read somewhere once that the Netherlands has one of the lowest rate of teenage pregnancies in Europe. This is attributed to the excellent love education classes in school.

Uhumm....squeekk [microphone audio amplifier activates]

[Enforcing Englishhh accent]
Yesss, wè ARE á veryy decent people of elites. Moral, ethics and intercourse behaviour are thereforre rooted in our basic education.
[deforcing accent]

Yeah its true. In the last two years of primary school we attend classes of Sociology where we talk with eachother about the first basics of understanding the sexual phenomenons of young people and the progression to gay or heterosexuals.

Fact is, we all have s.ex way earlier (or not at all) but we know what to do and what not to do to save a lot of money and grief from our parents...

We learned how to control our steekkks
And I'm talking 1990's here. We had no taboo's anylonger..

kanelli wrote:This kind of thing happens in other parts of the world, but it is families selling off their girls for marriage to old perverts, just to have one less mouth to feed. Those young girls become pregnant, but it is "okay" because she is married. Total hypocrisy. In some cultures it is the norm for young teens to marry and start families, so they wouldn't even bat an eyelash about this.

It is a childish argument to say that this kid becoming a father at 13 shows that the UK is not perfect. Who ever argued that it was? What society is perfect? I haven't found one yet...

Everyone can see that a large number of people in some societies have become selfish, putting higher income and personal pursuits over caring for their families. Parents should be raising their children to be good, educated, and productive members of society, not neglecting them and letting them run amok. The government should provide a good education system, but it is parents that are most influential on their own children.

no1 said anyone is prefect. the bottom line is that if your country happens to be one of the strongest and richest country in the world, instead of going to war you should be teaching your kids something about morals.

please dont blame the parents. the parents probably didnt get good education themselves. I blame the gov for the crap that goes around in UK. i blame the law system there which has made uk a unsafe place to live in. crime is high and child pregnancy is high. lets not drift away from the topic by talking about other countries. lets just stick to england and its problems . we all have heard about ppl complaining about dubai which happens to be a developing country, but what about a fully developed country like UK?

rudeboy, I don't think Kanelli is from the UK? Or are you replying to me? Because it was me that just said you can't compare UK to other 'less civilised countries'. And I am sorry to disagree but you CAN blame the parents, everyone knows the difference between right and wrong, they make their own decisions as to whether to apply the rules or not, and if parents are so lazy or uncaring that they let their kids run riot then they ARE to blame. It is totally copping out to try to pin the most basic blame on a variety of successive governments. As Kanelli already said 'it is parents that are most influential on their own children'. Kids go to school at 4-5 years old and they are often already out of control, before the state has even had a crack at them....plus I personally witnessed teachers being verbally torn apart by thuggish parents for daring to try to discipline their vicious little darlings. People of all educational standards have always brought children into the world, but it is only recently that moral standards have actualy been ignored as irrelevant by large parts of the populace. That's not the fault of the Government, it is the fault of society itself. Blame the media if you like, and its greed which has led to it catering to the lowest common denominator in its programming, hugely reinforcing examples of bad behaviour and moral decline. In a free society unfortunately it is not the responsibility of the Government to censor programming and publications except in extreme circumstances..


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http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/roby ... her_axing/

Robyn Riley
Sunday, July 20, 2008 at 01:01pm

IN the end, the demise of Big Brother had nothing to do with community values or the quality of its product. It had everything to do with ratings.

So all the show’s detractors should take a deep breath before claiming some kind of victory in Ten Network’s decision to euthanise the show after eight years of gratuitous titillation and boorish, not to mention boring, behaviour.

If anything, the show failed because it no longer had the ability to shock or anger. (speedhump says: so there is far worse to come as the public demand ever more shocking entertainment, as Juvenal said: 'give them bread and circuses'.....)

That’s the worry. Anyone who doesn’t think TV will continue to look at the lowest common denominator for reality TV lives in La-La Land.
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http://www.ciao.co.uk/Channel_4_Big_Bro ... ew_5306722
from which the following are excepts:
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If you haven't heard of Big Brother, then you must be a very, very lucky person. That's because you've figured out a succesful way of avoiding the interminable cancer of thought known as commercial television and the mainstream media.
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All in all, another extremely tedious, lowest-common-denominator, pile of crap - serving to the needs of the rubber-necks of this country by providing them with cheap semi-voyeruistic crap of the quality we have come to expect of modern broadcasters. Big Brother harmonises quite well with the broadcasting mantra of today - ratings over quality.
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if you read my original thread i am not comparing any country. i just wanted to show that even a super power like UK has its problems.

a society which we live in is built by our leaders, our laws and our religion and our education system. i agree with you that it is the parents duty to control their children. but what if the parents didnt go to a school themselfs, then what?

There is something called respect. is there respect being taught in any schools today??

if you discipline your kid and get abit physical with your kid, the police will lock you up in england. so how exactly do you discipline your kid in uk?

kids get lectured by their parents, they get abit frustrated and they are on the dope which is openly available in UK. is the parents fault that drugs are avaiable to kids. or is it the governments?

honestly talking i dont see the parents fault because the kids in UK have power over their parents.

rudeboy wrote:if you read my original thread i am not comparing any country. i just wanted to show that even a super power like UK has its problems.

a society which we live in is built by our leaders, our laws and our religion and our education system. i agree with you that it is the parents duty to control their children. but what if the parents didnt go to a school themselfs, then what?

There is something called respect. is there respect being taught in any schools today??

if you discipline your kid and get abit physical with your kid, the police will lock you up in england. so how exactly do you discipline your kid in uk?

kids get lectured by their parents, they get abit frustrated and they are on the dope which is openly available in UK. is the parents fault that drugs are avaiable to kids. or is it the governments?

honestly talking i dont see the parents fault because the kids in UK have power over their parents.

So none of us are comparing countries then

All people born in the UK have the benefit of a free education. So no-one has the right to say 'I wasn't taught'. And our society is actually built by the people that live in it and elect their own leaders. They get what they want and/or deserve. If people in the West have decided they want less law and more freedom then you can see what happens, as it's happening already.

I repeat, the most important moral and behavioural lessons learned by kids come from their home, when they are youngest and most imprintable. If they later go to school and decide to act like the worst of their peers then it is a decision they make, but having already learned quite clearly the correct course of action 'if their parents have done their work'.

You're right that schools are not allowed to physically discipline kids now, and nor are parents, and that's not just in the UK. But is that the only way to teach 'respect'? It's more just fear, isn't it, obeying someone who is more powerful than you. You know that a lot of people worldwide feel that is the wrong way to 'teach' children, not just in the UK. Maybe that IS part of the problem. Children actually cannot reason like adults, as they lack the learned experience and also the ability to see the bigger picture at that age, so how to make them behave?

But, it should still be more about education than punishment, and that education should begin at home.