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event horizon · Oct 10, 2009

I happened to read through the constitution/charter/manifesto of the NLFT after reading on wikipedia that 90% of this allegedly Christian fundamentalist group were Christians, as opposed to 100%.

One thing I noticed was how similar their charter was to your run of the mill leftist group operating somewhere in the sticks as opposed to what one would expect from a religious fundamentalist organization, such as HAMAS, with repeated references to the Koran, Allah and the prophet Muhammad. In this case, I would expect numerous statements about Jesus, the New Testament, God and the enforcement of a Christian theocracy but, nope. All of that is strangely missing from their charter.

The Aims and Objectives of the National Liberation Front of Twipra.

1.

The immediate object of the party is to overthrow imperialism, capitalism and neo-colonialism from the Country with armed struggle for distinct and independent identity of the Borok civilisation of Twipra.

2.

To liberate the Borokland Twipra complete freedom and transform a People's Republic Government with a view to established the true Justice, Liberty, Equality and Fraternity in the state.

3.

With a view to free the Borok Nation from the socio-political and economic exploitation, oppression, suppression and neo-colonisation shall be set up an organisation which through village mobilisation and indoctrination classes inspirit and instill nationalism and socio-politico and economic consciousness among the illiterate, uneducated and ignorant Borok people of Twipra. And for furtherance of the cause of the traditional indigenous culture and beliefs of the people through seminars, discussions, literature, education and other project of public utility.

4.

To send observers or participants delegates to national and international seminars, conferences or training programmes and to improve the channel of communication for National Liberation in alliance with other armed revolutionary organisations of the oppressed aboriginal nationalities of the world through discussion, publication of books and journals and other such media.

5.

To open literacy centres and library at a place where the local committee of the party is located for the purpose of publicity and to assist other organisation recognised by the central committee of the party as socio-religio-cultural organisation in the establishment of such new projects or strengthening existing projects.

6.

To encourage among men/women in setting up trading centre through the social reformation in different places of the country or abroad.

7.

To create funds for the welfare of the masses, especially for the emancipation from the poverty of the Country.

Assuming all these above cited aims and objectives of the party with a view to materialize every efforts for the liberation of Borok civilisation, the Constitution with the spirit and the guide-line of the organisation was adopted in the Constituent Assembly with some omission of the drafted Constitution of the NLFT by Chief Political Advisor Mwchang Japang Debbarma and some inclusion through discussion was produced & approved in the Central Executive meeting on 15th November, 1994.

I do believe and hope the spirit of the Constitution will lead dynamically to every member of the NLFT in a strict and well disciplined way of true revolutionary life and will steer the whole Borok Nation for the National Liberation Movement.

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries ... _const.htm

also:

Art. No. 4.

MEMBERSHIP :

(a) Any person irrespective of caste, sex or creed who is dedicated to what is best in the traditional culture and belief of the Country and subscribing to the aims and objectives of the party's subject to his/her subscribing the aims and objectives of the party and to the rules and regulations hereafter.

(b) There will be an annual renewal of membership of all categories. The central committee shall have the power to relax the periodicity of renewal under special circumstances.

Well, it was close but no cigar. It sounds like the NF whatever is a(nother) nationalist/leftist leaning terrorist group more than any type of Christian fundie movement - despite the hype and wikipedia claims.

Perhaps shafique can scan through the link I posted and confirm not only the absence of any type of religious/Christian rhetoric in the article but also count the number of times 'revolutionary committee' and 'class struggle' are mentioned instead?

shafique · Oct 10, 2009

So, do you support them when they kill women and children, or will you just refuse to condemn them like you refuse to condemn Goldstein?

The point in the other thread though was that Christian Converts were carrying out terrorist acts.

There doesn't seem to be any doubt that either:
1. They are terrorists or
2. They are Christian converts or
3. One of their aims is to forcibly convert people to Christianity.

It is instructive that the link provided states that the armed wing is called a Holy Army!:

Assuming to achieved this historic Oath for the national cause some nationalist Borok youth congregated at Ganda Twisa on 12th March. 1989 and formed the National Liberation Front of Twipra(NLFT) and its Armed wing the National Holy Army(NHA) has been revealed on 11th December, 1991 through the arms operation offensive on Twinani outpost' under Udaipur sub-division.

(And let's not forget that the same web site gives categoric information about the terrorist acts committed by this 'Holy Army' and states their aim)

I quoted the BBC News item which stated:

The NLFT is accused of forcing Tripura's indigenous tribes to become Christians and give up Hindu forms of worship in areas under their control.

Last year, they issued a ban on the Hindu festivals of Durga Puja and Saraswati Puja.

The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/south_asia/717775.stm

But hey, if people can venerate the Jewish Terrorist Baruch Goldstein, then it is not unusual that others will refuse to agree with statistics which show Christian Converts committed more acts of terrorism than Muslim converts did.

Count still stands at 169 (and counting) vs 1. Says it all.

But then again, I guess eh agrees with how Hamas represents itself - i.e. that it is not a terrorist organisation. No - wait, perhaps in that case we shouldn't consider what the terrorists think of themselves!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique · Oct 10, 2009

NLFT - the Christian Al Qaeda:

NLFT - The Christian Al-Qaeda

Author: S. Aravindan Neelakandan
Publication: Sulekha.com
Date: May 2, 2002
URL: www.sulekha.com/articlede...cid=195857
I came to bring not peace but a sword � Jesus Christ

For seven-year-old Shreema, 13th Jan 2002 was a special Sunday. All through the year, the girl had awaited the dawn of this day. For, that was the day one goes out and purchases new clothes, new toys and sweets, as the next day would be Makar Sankranthi -- the harvest festival celebrated throughout India. The Singicherra Bazar was bustling with activity. Like Shreema's family there were many people looking forward to a happy Makar Sankranthi. But they didn't realise that they were violating a fatwa issued by the Baptist Church-created Christian Al-Qaeda, the National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT). Nor did they know that they would pay with their lives for celebrating a heathen festival of their motherland.

Shreema would never again celebrate Makar Sankranthi. She died, along with sixteen others, on the spot as 13 terrorists of the NLFT encircled the people shopping for the festival and fired indiscriminately1. The soldiers of Christ have done again in Tripura what they have been doing for centuries to heathens throughout the world.

The Baptist Church of Tripura is not just the ideological mentor of the NLFT; it also supplies the NLFT with arms and ammunition for the soldiers of the holy crusade2. Never mind that the holy war involves killing infants and torching the huts of 'heathen Hindoos'. The NLFT does all these to bring to the infidels the peace and love of Christ. So, when Nagmanlal Halam, secretary of the Noapara Baptist Church in Tripura, was arrested by the Tripura police he had rather curious tools for evangelisation, which included along with the gospel 50 gelatin sticks, 5 kg of potassium and 2 kg of sulphur and other ingredients for making explosives. Mr. Halam confessed that his activities for the saving the heathen souls involved buying and supplying explosives to the NLFT over the past two years. Another church official, Jatna Koloi, who was also arrested, admitted that he received training in guerrilla warfare at an NLFT base last year. Surely, gelatin and AK-47s have more efficiency when it comes to bringing the light of the only revealed truth to the disbelievers suffering in 'spiritual darkness'. Those who are in doubt can check it out with another great light-bearer of the other 'only true book', Osama bin Laden (that is, when and if the prophet of terror is captured).

The Baptist Church of Tripura was initially set up by proselytizers from New Zealand 60 years ago. Despite their efforts, even until 1980, only a few thousand people in Tripura had converted to Christianity. Then the Church used one of its most efficient and time-tested weapons of evangelisation -- creating racial and ethnic divide among the people. In the aftermath of one of the worst ethnic riots, engineered by the Church3, the NLFT was born -- but not without the midwife role of the Baptist Church. From its very inception, the NLFT has been advancing the cause of Christianity through armed persuasion. Every trace of indigenous culture is being eliminated through violent means. Every resisting group is made to bleed its way to extinction.

The case of Jamatya tribals provides a telling example. These tribals have strong spiritual leaders and a network of social service organisations headed by their religious leaders. These indigenous sects are neither exclusive nor expansionist. The Baptist Church has always failed miserably in its conversion efforts with regard to this well-knit community. Hence, it is no wonder that the NLFT has made Jamatya institutions and their religious leaders the targets of their attacks. In the August of 2000, religious leaders of the Jamatya community like Jaulushmoni Jamatya and Shanti Kumar Tripura were killed by the NLFT, and Jamatya families were uprooted from their homelands and made refugees. The death threats issued by the NLFT to the inmates of these institutions have already forced the closure of 11 Jamatya institutions like schools and orphanages, set up by the slain religious leaders in various parts of Tripura4. Interestingly, these tribals are not close-minded fanatics. For one thing, they do not mind teaching the theory of evolution in their schools.

The greatest challenge to the Bible inspired mission of the NLFT comes from the Sangh Parivar's Banbasi Kalyan Kendra. The dedicated life workers of RSS have started empowering the tribals by running many educational institutions which while empowering them through imparting secular technical education also retain their tribal cultural and spiritual identity. Rather than making them disown their roots, the Kendra made the tribals feel proud of their culture. It even conducts national level tribal sports festivals. If the NLFT is to carve out a kingdom for Christ out of the secular republic of India, it has to make sure that the Kendra activities are stopped at all costs. In July 2000, armed NLFT militants torched a residential school and students hostel run by the Seva Mission in the remote Ananda Bazar area of North Tripura5. They had also taken hostage four RSS life workers. These RSS workers were all in their sixties. The crime committed by these old men was that they had dared to run educational institutions for tribals while preserving the tribals' culture. Later, all four were killed by the NLFT.

The NLFT has been an active partner of the Baptist Church in winning converts to the Christian creed. They have killed tribal priests to threaten communities and effect mass conversions. But those tactics have obviously backfired. In 2001 alone, the NLFT killed more than 20 Hindus who refused to 'accept the love of Christ'. They also torched to death a Hindu family sleeping in a hut6. In 2001, community chiefs and religious heads of 19 tribes formed the 'Tribal Culture Protection Committee' to counter the threat posed by the NLFT7. Despite the NLFT taking all possible steps to enforce conversions, the conversions are still slow. Frustrated, the NLFT has now begun an all out war against Hindu tribals. They have issued fatwas against infidel activities. These fatwas prohibit people from celebrating festivals like Durga Pooja and Makar Sankranthi, listening to Indian music, watching Indian TV channels and films, and prohibit women from wearing bangles or sporting bindis, etc. Just a year before the NLFT started all these atrocities in India, the Southern Baptist Church of the United States of America had given a clarion call to bring the light of the gospel to �millions of Hindus and Jews lost in the darkness� of their religions8.

Shreema, the seven-year-old girl from Tripura, died with bullets pumped into her tender body. Her crime was that she violated the Christian fatwa which prohibited her from celebrating an Indian festival. She was not just a victim of barbaric terrorism but she is also a martyr for Indian culture, a culture that has preserved thousands of tribal customs from barbaric persecution. Yet, she will not make it to the glossy covers of the weekly magazines of English speaking Indian media. Unsubstantiated, fabricated stories of Hindu fundamentalists (an oxymoron) killing Christian priests have been making their headlines. However, these fabrications have their use. They do help in the covering up of such acts of Christian love like killing in cold blood a seven- year-old girl or burning a family to death.

References:

1. 16 shot dead by NLFT in Tripura � PTI, January 13, 2002.
2. Church backing Tripura rebels � BBC, April 18, 2000.
3. India's North-East Resurgence: Ethnicity, Insurgency and Governance, Development by B.G. Vargheese, 1996, p.175.
4. Militants raid Hindu Ashram � The Telegraph, December 5, 2000.
5. NLFT curb on Hindu institutions � The Telegraph, September 14, 2000.
6. Three killed by Tripura rebels � BBC, April 14, 2000.
7. Tribals unite against conversions in Tripura, Syed Zarir Hussain, www.rediff.com/ news/2001/aug/02trip.htm
8. Southern Baptists target Hindus, Julia Lieblich, The Associated Press, October 21, 1999.

(Note this is an old article from 2002 - the stats now list the terrorist activities up to 2009)

shafique · Oct 10, 2009

Also, don't take my word for it - how about the US Government's classification:

The National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism classified the National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) as one of the ten most active terrorist groups in the world in 2003. They wrote:

“ The NLFT, like the ATTF, focuses its activities in the Indian state of Tripura. However, the impetus driving the NLFT’s armed struggle is the creation of an independent state in Tripura that is governed by Christian principles. With many of the group’s members motivated by Christianity, the NLFT manifesto seeks to end "Indian colonialism" and "neo-imperialism." The organization, operating from Bangladesh, uses its numerous bases to execute subversive terrorist activities in India... Typical NLFT targets include Indian government employees and officials, as well as civilians. Members of the rival Communist Party of India and their family members are also victims of NLFT attacks. Bombings and kidnappings are the tactical measures used most often by the NFLT... the group ranks as one of the most active terrorist groups in terms of both incidents and fatalities... the organization reportedly receives financial assistance from Christian supporters in India, enabling the organization to implement its operations... The NLFT has managed to maintain contacts with various terrorist organizations, such as the National Liberation Front of Bodoland, an organization active in Assam; the Nagaland-based National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM); and the Manipur-based Kanglei Yawol Kanna Lup (KYKL). The NLFT has, likewise, cultivated transborder linkages in Myanmar and Bhutan, which are also rather accessible, and has formed strategic networks with intelligence organizations in Pakistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiani ... of_Tripura

(And the above wiki page gives the other violent Christian organisations around the world - but the quote itself is referenced on the page)

Thanks to eh for quoting what the NLFT says about itself and what the reality according to the US gov etc is.

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon · Oct 10, 2009

As I said, there's a lot of spin on the NLFT out there. Clearly from their charter, however, (which the BBC article incorrectly claims that the charter calls for a Christian theocracy) the NLFT are your run of the mill leftist/nationalist movement with a majority of its members who happen to be Christian converts.

Unfortunately, this does not meet the requirements of religious terrorist converts since these converts are driven more by Marxism than the texts and teachings of Christianity. This is in sharp contrast to the Jihadist converts to Islam who carry out jihad operations because of the texts and teachings of Islam - they are fighting Jihad for the eventual establishment of an Islamic theocracy and are following the mainstream interpretations of Islam in doing so, by waging perpetual warfare against unbelievers, becoming martyrs when they die, etc,.

Anyways, do you have any actual examples of converts to other religions who carry out terror attacks because they are motivated by the texts and teachings of their new religion? So far, my count stands at well over one hundred dead murdered by convert jihadists and your count still stands at around zero.

By the way, I notice that you must have missed my request to find any references to religion in the NLFT's charter and, instead, count the number of leftist catch phrases. Have you finished or are you still counting out all of the times 'revolutionary councils' and 'people's struggle' is mentioned in their manifesto?

To repeat, this is from the NLFT's own manifesto:

Art. No. 4.

MEMBERSHIP :

(a) Any person irrespective of caste, love or creed who is dedicated to what is best in the traditional culture and belief of the Country and subscribing to the aims and objectives of the party's subject to his/her subscribing the aims and objectives of the party and to the rules and regulations hereafter.

(b) There will be an annual renewal of membership of all categories. The central committee shall have the power to relax the periodicity of renewal under special circumstances.

shafique · Oct 10, 2009

Thanks for posting the NLFT's manifesto.

The info from the US government and the Indian anti-terror group doesn't contradict the manifesto - just informs us that they are a terror group and lists their terrorist attacks, as well as their Christian credentials.

The 'Holy Army' as they call their militant wing has kidnapped civilians, as well as killed women and children - and, as posted, with the aim to convert people to Christianity and 'liberate' the state.

I haven't seen any evidence produced to say that the US government info is wrong - just an interpretation of what the manifesto does not say.

Interesting line of argument though - interpret the manifesto and ignore the terror attacks. I wonder if the same line of thought could be applied to Hamas?

In the mean time, the count still stands at 169 and counting vs 1.

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon · Oct 11, 2009

It helps to read your own links. The quote from Wikipedia was from a non-profit organization that is partly funded by the US government. So, what you quoted is not a quote from the government but from some organization that has profiles of different terrorist groups they've gleaned information off of from the internet.

I can only assume that their incorrect information of the leftist terrorist group, the NFLT, comes the same BBC article you quoted from.

Which brings me to my next point.

The BBC article says that the NFLT, according to their manifesto, seeks to create a Christian theocracy:

The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura.

Unfortunately, the NLFT manifesto has been linked to and partially quoted in this thread. Nowhere does the manifesto say the NLFT seeks to establish a Christian theocracy. In fact, the words "Christ", "Christian" and "kingdom of God" are completely missing from their manifesto. One wonders how much research the BBC reporter must have done on the NLFT to fabricate such a claim.

On the flip side, if the BBC is ever hiring, you should send in a resume. Be sure to tell them that you're really good at trawling through wikipedia and Google and would like to get paid for your 'research'.

So yes, I have no problem condemning Christian terrorism - real or imagined.

shafique · Oct 11, 2009

I understand the argument - everyone else is wrong and your in-depth research (consisting of quoting the manifesto) gives you greater insights. Hmm.

So, the fact that the manifesto of this Christian Terrorist group does not mention that they are are Christian Terrorists disproves all the other references given. Hmm.

I guess they are as incorrect as Father O'Conner and Hans Kung are when it comes to the insertion of false verses into the Bible. There too, you disagree with the evidence because of a pre-existing belief and not because of any evidence.

The links give references to actual terrorist attacks, but you are finding comfort that the manifesto does not mention Christian terrorist ideals.

So the 'Holy Army' is a-religious, is it? Hmm.

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon · Oct 11, 2009

So, the fact that the manifesto of this Christian Terrorist group does not mention that they are are Christian Terrorists

Let's try again. The fact that the manifesto of the NLFT does not mention establishing a 'kingdom of God and Christ" in their manifesto shows that the BBC article was wrong.

The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura.

There's also the fact that the manifesto says that all creeds can join their group and their rhetoric is clearly nationalist/soft leftist. I found one mention of 'God' in their manifest but that was about the extent to religious language that was contained in their own constitution.

The links give references to actual terrorist attacks, but you are finding comfort that the manifesto does not mention Christian terrorist ideals.

I agree, they carry out terror attacks just like the Maoists in Nepal and the Shining Path in S. America. What does that have to do with religious fundamentalists, again?

So the 'Holy Army' is a-religious, is it? Hmm.

Was this from the same article that claimed the group's charter called for the establishment of a Christian theocracy? Inquiring minds want to know.

shafique · Oct 15, 2009

Interesting views eh - you should write to the authorities I quoted from and tell them they are all wrong - they should have read the constitution and ignored all the other evidence they quoted.

Let us know what they say.

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon · Oct 16, 2009

I'm aware of the propaganda. I just don't believe it and it's why I don't agree with you.

shafique · Oct 16, 2009

Yes, you're Google search proved quite fruitful

. I'm not surprised you want to ignore the actual terrorist acts and the conclusions of the organisations quoted.

I understand that your 'analysis' of the constitution must have been taxing - but thanks for sharing your considered opinion and this time telling us what it was based on.

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon · Oct 18, 2009

Here's the BBC spin:

The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura.

Here's the reality (posted from the same website you previously linked to):

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries ... _const.htm

I checked several times and I still have not come across where in their constitution does it call for the establishment of a Christian theocracy.

Do you want to give it a try?

shafique · Oct 18, 2009

I thought I was quite clear where I was getting my info (as you were - one Google search and a read of their constitution).

Here is a quote I gave before:

The National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism classified the National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) as one of the ten most active terrorist groups in the world in 2003. They wrote:

“ The NLFT, like the ATTF, focuses its activities in the Indian state of Tripura. However, the impetus driving the NLFT’s armed struggle is the creation of an independent state in Tripura that is governed by Christian principles.
..

It is just one of many Christian terrorist groups listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiani ... of_Tripura

As I said, you are most welcome to write to these organisations and explain that they are wrong and that your in-depth analysis (well, your reading of the constitution on the web) shows they are mistaken to claim these terrorists are Christian fundies.

I have no reason to doubt 'The National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism' - especially as they seem to be funded by the US Government who normally refrain from calling many real terrorists that name. The constitution does name their military wing as 'The National Holy Army' - an interesting name for a 'secular' organisation, I think you would agree.

Do you have any other arguments other than a reading of their constitution?

The Press Trust of India also seem to be in on the 'spin' - eg see here:
http://www.christianaggression.org/item ... 1060445766

..
National Liberation Front of Tripura, NLFT, is a banned miltant outfit funded and armed by Christian Missionaries that seeks to establish a Christian Fundamentalist State through terrorist activities and conversions at gunpoint.

Cheers
Shafique

shafique · Oct 18, 2009

Whilst I only quoted the description of the NLFT in the quote above, it is worth quoting the whole article which shows why they are indeed Christian Terrorists :

Surrendered insurgent's family gunned down by NLFT

Posted August 9, 2003
Press Trust of India
Agartala, July 30.

Four members of the family of a surrendered insurgent were killed by the banned NLFT at Takswat in West Tripura district, police said today.

The NLFT ultras attacked the house of Smaranjoy Debbarma, who had surrendered to Assam Rifles on Sunday, and gunned down his mother, teenage brother and two sisters yesterday. While the three siblings died on the spot, their mother died on way to the hospital, police said.

Chief Minister Manik Sarkar condemning the attack said that the ultras killed the family members of the surrendered insurgent out of frustation as they realised that misguided youths who joined them could now understand the outfit's faults and were eager to return to normal life.

National Liberation Front of Tripura, NLFT, is a banned miltant outfit funded and armed by Christian Missionaries that seeks to establish a Christian Fundamentalist State through terrorist activities and conversions at gunpoint.

So 4 civilians killed because their relation had decided to leave the organisation. I couldn't find a reference in their constitution that said this was ok - so, should we dismiss this atrocity?

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon · Oct 18, 2009

As I said, there is a lot of spin on the NFLT out there on the web. It would appear that the claim that this group is a Christian fundamentalist movement in which their constitution calls for the implementation of a Christian theocracy (it doesn't) stems from a poorly researched BBC article that was refuted in this thread.

Unfortunately, many other sources on the internet have since repeated this made up claim from the BBC article (after doing some googling of their own) and there are now dozens of web pages that say the same thing - that the constitution of this insurgent group calls for an establishment of a religious theocracy.

The same sources that have reported this media hype are the ones that shafique continues to use, including linking to a website called 'Christian aggression'. One can only wonder why shafique still expects anyone to believe the claims from websites that did not fact check any further after this point. But hey, I'm sure if I linked to a website called "Muslim aggression' that claimed Abu Bakr married his sister, shafique would still find that website a credible source.

shafique · Oct 19, 2009

event horizon wrote:As I said, there is a lot of spin on the NFLT out there on the web.

I think you mis-typed there. Surely you meant 'researched facts' instead of spin.

But hey, your research seems to be just reading their manifesto - and you seem to be arguing that the BBC's facts are therefore 'poorly researched'.

I did ask you whether your views are based on anything more than wishful ignoring of the actual terrorist acts and your interpretation of their constitution (which names their militant wing 'the National Holy Army') - but again you choose to not answer.

I'll add this to the growing list of 'quaint' beliefs you have.

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon · Oct 19, 2009

One issue at a time. Can you find where in the NLFT's charter does it call for the creation of a Christian theocracy, as per the BBC author's claim?

If not, I am glad that you concede that this was media spin.

shafique · Oct 20, 2009

The charter specifies that the military wing is called 'the National Holy Army' and it is this Holy Army which has carried out the terrorist attacks listed.

Your argument seems to be based soley on reading what the charter says, rather than the evidence actually produced.

I asked before whether you had any evidence for your belief that these guys aren't Christian terrorists, other than your interpretation of their charter.

Of course, I understand you don't want to condemn terrorists who kill people who do not convert - such as this report from 2000:

Wednesday, 27 December, 2000, 14:31 GMT
Tripura tribal leader killed
Police in the northeastern Indian state of Tripura say a leading Hindu religious leader, who was kidnapped by suspected separatist rebels on Monday, has been found dead.
Police say the body of the man, Labh Kumar Jamatia, was discovered in a forest in Dalak village in southern Tripura.

He was the leader of the state's second largest Hindu group.

According to police, rebels from the National Liberation Front of Tripura wanted Mr Jamatia to convert to Christianity - but he refused.

The spritual chief of his tribe Bikram Bhadur Jamatia has called on the Indian police to provide protection for Hindu tribal leaders in Tripura.

From the newsroom of the BBC World Service

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1089578.stm

Or

Monday, 28 August, 2000, 08:10 GMT 09:10 UK
Hindu preacher killed by Tripura rebels
A tribal Hindu spiritual leader has been killed by separatist rebels in the northeastern Indian state of Tripura.

Police say about ten guerrillas belonging to the outlawed National Liberation Front of Tripura ,the NLFT, broke into a temple near the town of Jirania on Sunday night and shot dead Shanti Tripura, a popular Hindu preacher popularly known as Shanti Kali.

The separatist group says it wants to convert all tribespeople in the state to Christianity.

The BBC correspondent in the region says the killing has created tension between the majority of tribals, who are Hindu or Buddhist, and the small number of Christian converts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/899422.stm

So, let's ignore the actual terrorist acts and the fact that these terrorists have been aided by western Christian churches and lets focus on the charter. Hmm.

I guess that a refusal to condemn Jewish terrorists is just a general symptom of a refusal to condemn any non-Muslim terrorist!?

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon · Oct 20, 2009

I take it that you have not found that passage in the NLFT's charter which, according to the Beeb journalist, calls for the implementation of a Christian theocracy.

Strange. Almost seems the reporter made the claim up.

shafique · Oct 20, 2009

Nope, I couldn't find in the charter any reference to the terrorist acts committed by these guys listed above, just the reference to their 'National Holy Army'.

I was hoping that you had more 'evidence' that all these reports are wrong - but hey, it is interesting to hear your quaint beliefs.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique · Oct 20, 2009

From the same site that hosts the constitution:

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries ... s/nlft.htm

Split

The NLFT split into two groups, one headed by Biswamohan Debbarma and the other by Nayanbasi Jamatiya, in February 2001. Following the expulsion of Nayanbasi Jamatiya and Joshua Debbarma from the NLFT, nearly 125 cadres of the group formed a parallel outfit under the leadership of Nayanbasi Jamatiya. Police records based on interrogation reports of surrendered/arrested cadres reveal that the split occurred as a result of:

...
...
Forcible conversion of tribal cadres/civilians to Christianity.

(So some of the terrorists had a conscience, it seems)

And an overview from the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/758342.stm

...The NLFT is larger and better armed. It says it is fighting not only for the removal of Bengali immigrants from the tribal areas, but also for the tribal areas of the state to become overtly Christian.

The NLFT has warned members of the tribal community that they may be attacked if they do not accept its Christian agenda.

...

It is unclear where the loyalties of non-Christian tribals lie, partly because it has been alleged that they have been coerced into supporting the NLFT.

But given the list of terrorist acts committed since that was written, it appears to be quite under-stated.

So, we have actual analysis and actual terrorist acts - and one weak apologist's view of their constitution. Hmmm. Is that the bottom of the barrel I hear being scraped??

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon · Oct 20, 2009

shafique wrote:Nope, I couldn't find in the charter any reference to the terrorist acts committed by these guys listed above, just the reference to their 'National Holy Army'.

I was hoping that you had more 'evidence' that all these reports are wrong - but hey, it is interesting to hear your quaint beliefs.

Cheers,
Shafique

Cool. So we agree that the assertion from the BBC article was made up by the journalist and the rest of the article should not be believed.

I see that you have finally gotten around to reading your own link. Kudos to you. I'll leave it to you to distinguish terrorist attacks carried out by the secular wing and terrorist attacks carried out by the more religious branch (which I assume is the smaller of the two).

shafique · Oct 20, 2009

Another quaint belief that the BBC made up all the references about this Christian Terrorist group forcibly converting people to Christianity.

I'll give you credit for self-belief. As I said, many posts ago, good luck in convincing all the terror-monitoring groups that they are wrong.

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon · Oct 21, 2009

The group broke up as your link says. You'll have to figure out which attacks are carried out by the Christian fundie wing and which attacks are carried out by the secular wing.

That's of course if you can confirm each attack by an independent source since we have already seen the spin against this group - that their constitution calls for the establishment of a theocracy when no such statement exists.

shafique · Oct 22, 2009

What is telling is that your 'beliefs' are solely based on a reading of their constitution, but at least now you admit they are terrorists and have been killing people for not converting to Christianity.

I see that you are now imagining that there is a 'secular' wing to this terrorist organisation - which was set up with a military wing called the 'National Holy Army'. This is another quaint belief.

It is very interesting to see you construct arguments to disguise the fact that these Christian Convert Terrorists outnumber by 100 to one the number of Muslim Convert Terrorists you have managed to uncover in the same period.

When you have any new evidence, pray let us know. In the meantime, shouldn't you be trying to add to your count of one actual Muslim Convert terrorist?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique · Oct 22, 2009

double post

event horizon · Oct 22, 2009

Why do you keep on claiming that i've only cited one Muslim terrorist convert?

It certainly is a quaint belief of yours.

shafique · Oct 22, 2009

Because your count still stands at one, despite me asking you to update your count.

Mine stands at an under-estimated count of 169 actual terrorists compared to your one (and that's only up to 2003, IIRC)

As I said, I think you should update your count - otherwise the one numpty you've cited looks like a very sorry statistic indeed.

I'll bump the thread for you.

Cheers,
Shafique

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