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Ok - it just was a funny typo.. well I thought so. :) Back to the subject - has anyone counted how much control over Iraq's oil reserves will yield? I know Halliburton is sitting pretty right now, but I read that Chinese companies were also getting contracts. Now that the deed is done, you'd have ho...

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MCL - I have to be honest, I didn't read the text of the article posted (and deleted by the mod, leaving just the link - good job there). I may do now that there's just a link and your comments above. What you say is echoed by Noam Chomsky who argues that there isn't really a true democracy in the U...

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Oh, and I forgot to say. Why do you think a blogger and you are more credible than the Guinness Book of World records? I'm sure they don't just rely on blogs or Google searches. I know that Historians George Makdisi, William Dalrymple, Diarmaid MacCulloch (all published bona-fide historians) are cre...

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Well, this is certainly an interesting view point. On the historical aspects - I can't disagree with Huff. Indeed, the reviewer points to clear historical facts that we are all aware of: Huff doesn't deny that Muslim science was, for centuries, more advanced than European science. Indeed, there was ...

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Still in denial. The whole big thing point is that your blogger's initial premise has been debunked by the same book he took his one quote from (Makdisi's book). I concede that I only quoted Huff citing what Makdisi wrote about European universities copied from Islamic ones - but your blogger only ...

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BTW - it also begs the question, what does Huff attribute China's decline to? (just curious)

Cheers,
Shafique

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Sigh. From your review: Huff doesn't deny that Muslim science was, for centuries, more advanced than European science. Indeed, there was virtually no science at all in the Latin West during the Early Middle Ages. Huff also points out that Muslim science was innovative, the most dramatic example bein...

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Oh, and given a university is an institution that gives out degrees, this titbit from the review is interesting: Essentially, the student got his degree if and when his personal teacher felt he was ready for it. With the exception of medical science under some rulers, there were no attempts to stand...

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So now you are dismissing Makdisi even though he was the only reference quoted by your blogger in the OP. Interesting. As I said: Your blogger perhaps should have quoted Huff and not Makdisi. But that's not my problem, is it? So, loon quotes blogger who cites a historian Makdisi - a cursory search u...

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LOL. Was that a 'Yes, I agree with Huff that Islamic Science was at its peak when there was virtually no science in Europe' or not? Huff doesn't deny that Muslim science was, for centuries, more advanced than European science. Indeed, there was virtually no science at all in the Latin West during th...

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gadfly - this post was interesting. Thanks.

Are you American?

I'm not - and therefore I'm just a curious bystander/observer. However, I can't see how the system can be broken and an independent (or third party) can make a breakthrough. Any ideas/thoughts?

Cheers,
Shafique

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Finally, we now agree on the historical facts. Huff doesn't deny that Muslim science was, for centuries, more advanced than European science. Indeed, there was virtually no science at all in the Latin West during the Early Middle Ages. Huff also points out that Muslim science was innovative, the mos...

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Oh, I forgot to take you to task for your poor attempt at an excuse: That history thingie again. The Islamic world conquered civilized peoples who already had massive libraries. The Europeans had no such luck. In any event, civilization began to emerge in Western Europe starting in the ninth century...

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From Haaretz. http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.318351.1286762021!/image/3916299804.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_295/3916299804.jpg "Unfortunately, the Palestinians are further along than the Israeli Education Ministry when it comes to acknowledging the other side of the conflict," sai...

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You really should get your money back from Guru Bob's "Islamphobes guide to history" course! So, Islamic universities issued degrees (even standardised degrees for Medical courses) and you do after all agree that the "Islamic Empire preserved and enhanced the knowledge of the Greeks -...

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Well, on this one I agree with loon blogger Elder of Zyon: PA throws away huge PR victory . Because they hate Israel that much. Ha'aretz had an exclusive story today that looked very embarrassing to Israel: Israel bans a textbook, Haaretz reports that the Palestinians are more open than the Israelis...

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If it wasn't for the fact that gadfly is posting from Canada and eh posts from the USA - I'd have said that gadfly is just a wind-up, created by our young friend. But then again, North America seems to be fertile ground for extremist views! You guys could indeed meet up for coffee - you're too far f...

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The Fourth Crusade was at the beginning of the 13th century (1202 to 1204). European universities had been set up by then and there was already contact with the Islamic empire. Islamic education had been already well established and the likes of Avicenna and Averroes had come and gone already. Howev...

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Even I am not reading them if they are more than a few paragraphs long and just a rant.

Apart from that, I completely agree with TJ - I hope gadfly reads, understands and implements the suggestions.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Tom Jones' thread on Fisk's recent interview led me to this article from last week by the man himself. (Yet to watch that one with RT, and there's another one on Youtube on this subject that I am looking forward to watching) This development should put the cat amongst the pigeons - and is a move I'v...

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Isn't Spain part of Western Europe?

Weren't Plato, Aristotle etc all being read in Islamic Spain before the crusades? (Just asking

)

Cheers,
Shafiuqe

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I'm not really interested in comparing Greek philosophers, to be honest. I was just challenging you on your statement about Greek classics only being studied in the West after the 4th Crusade from Eastern Roman documents. I mean, the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II under whose reign the fifth and si...

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I saw that a 'famous astrologer' is visiting the UAE soon - and it led me to think of a query I've had about fortune tellers in general. Surely if astrology, tarot cards, tea leaves, chicken bones etc etc worked, we'd be able to find some examples of headlines such as 'Psychic wins lottery' or 'Plan...

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RC - you know more on the subject matter of the Greek philosophers than I do. I can't comment on Ibn Rushd's works (or Plato, Aristotle or even Socrates and Pythagoras for that matter). I'm happy to lump these into things I don't yet understand - along with fluid dynamics, string theory and female l...

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^ Agree - excellent summaries of the main issues, past and present, of the Middle East!

Cheers,
Shafique

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Serbia a few days ago: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11507253 The loon silence is deafening. Loonarticles from tabloids carry as much credibility as the invented stats we saw quoted about Dutch kids in Amsterdam and crimes. This stat was shown to be totally false, for example: More in depth...

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Don't know Sage.

Superstition is rife amongst some sections of society - and even though Islam forbids fortune telling (forbidden in the Quran), I'm not sure if there is a loop hole in the UAE law for astrology (I mean, the papers all carry Horoscopes, for example).

Cheers,
Shafique

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FD - if there is an issue with the Dutch Morrocan kids (and there does seem to be an issue with education, unemployment and general criminality) then it is indeed valid to look into what the causes are. If the anti-gay violence does not stem from religious beliefs and stem from the same prejudices f...

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Wow, I didn't read eh's opening rant (but had clicked on the link and read the article) until now.

Boy - he has some anger issues. It was almost funny. Bora's comments are indeed spot on (I thought she was referring to the article - where it also applies).

Cheers,
Shafique

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Is a Starbucks ok with you, or not?

Cheers,
Shafique

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