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Fortune Telling? Oct 12, 2010
I saw that a 'famous astrologer' is visiting the UAE soon - and it led me to think of a query I've had about fortune tellers in general.

Surely if astrology, tarot cards, tea leaves, chicken bones etc etc worked, we'd be able to find some examples of headlines such as 'Psychic wins lottery' or 'Planes will fly into twin towers in September' (published before 9/11) etc.

To my knowledge, I don't know of anyone who predicted that Princess Di would die when she did (and yet each year astrologers did predict what would happen to her and other celebrities), or that 9/11 would happen.

But then again - perhaps there are examples that I'm not aware of??

The well known predictions of doom and gloom have so far not resulted in the end of the world (there were a flurry of them around the millenium - not counting the millenium bug) - but I think the next big one will be the various predictions for 2012 and links to Mayan forecasts. Something to bear in mind when the London Olympics is on, I guess... ? :) Not long to go now...

Anyway - is there anyone that believes in fortune tellers?

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Shafique

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Re: Fortune Telling? Oct 12, 2010
Not me. They are all con artists.
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Re: Fortune Telling? Oct 12, 2010
I remember seeing a sign, placed by event organisers, outside a closed Astrologers Marquee at a Craft Event I attended some Years ago and the sign read something like;

Due to unforeseen circumstances, Gypsy Esmerelda will be late and will open for business sometime later this afternoon!

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Re: Fortune Telling? Oct 12, 2010
All a bunch of hogwash
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Re: Fortune Telling? Oct 12, 2010
shafique wrote:I saw that a 'famous astrologer' is visiting the UAE soon - and it led me to think of a query I've had about fortune tellers in general.

Surely if astrology, tarot cards, tea leaves, chicken bones etc etc worked, we'd be able to find some examples of headlines such as 'Psychic wins lottery' or 'Planes will fly into twin towers in September' (published before 9/11) etc.

To my knowledge, I don't know of anyone who predicted that Princess Di would die when she did (and yet each year astrologers did predict what would happen to her and other celebrities), or that 9/11 would happen.

But then again - perhaps there are examples that I'm not aware of??

The well known predictions of doom and gloom have so far not resulted in the end of the world (there were a flurry of them around the millenium - not counting the millenium bug) - but I think the next big one will be the various predictions for 2012 and links to Mayan forecasts. Something to bear in mind when the London Olympics is on, I guess... ? :) Not long to go now...

Anyway - is there anyone that believes in fortune tellers?

Cheers,
Shafique


Is this actually legal here Shaf?
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Re: Fortune Telling? Oct 12, 2010
Don't know Sage.

Superstition is rife amongst some sections of society - and even though Islam forbids fortune telling (forbidden in the Quran), I'm not sure if there is a loop hole in the UAE law for astrology (I mean, the papers all carry Horoscopes, for example).

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Re: Fortune Telling? Oct 13, 2010
Shaf, the things you describe only work for individual readings, not global events as a whole. When you do these things, you always take it with a pinch of salt, because your life paths are forever changing depending on thr decisions that you make.

There are some very good readers here. One lady I saw told me things that only I knew about my parents and I made a conscious effort not to give her any information.

It all works on a persons energy/chi/chakra's etc.

I myself read tarot and the runes - I'm very out of practice though.

But people should not put their whole life's decisions on what they are told, they are merely short term. Six months down the line and things can change.

Now having readings done based on your date, time, place of birth with the stars alignments is an interesting one and is more likely to have a basic track of your life events.
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Re: Fortune Telling? Oct 13, 2010
I knew you were going to say that!

See, I am psychic...er, psycho...whatever!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Fortune Telling? Oct 13, 2010
I predict that tomorrow at around 10pm you will be talking utter garbage, possibly falling down and end up singing :D
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Re: Fortune Telling? Oct 13, 2010
Chocoholic wrote:I predict that tomorrow at around 10pm you will be talking utter garbage, possibly falling down and end up singing :D


That sounds familiar
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Re: Fortune Telling? Oct 13, 2010
I predict I will not remember Thursday night.
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Re: Fortune Telling? Oct 13, 2010
Chocs - the problem I have is that all results of personal readings (be they tarot cards, palm reading, tea leaves etc) can be reproduced using the non-psychic techniques known as cold reading or mentalism in the magical arena.

All the results can be reproduced - but I do believe that there are some that use the techniques unconciously, but many more use them cynically. The results are the same though. (They all make 'predictions' based on reading the current - they read people and use the information that is available - and note that only 7% of communication is verbal - what you say - IIRC).

But on the 'personal reading' part - I deliberately included the bit about Princess Diana to cover this point. Every year in the UK there are horoscopes produced that predit what is 'in the stars' for the stars - and the Royal Family is indeed one of those whose stars are read. Yet, to my knowledge, none of the astrologers predicted her death - indeed it would be informative to go back and look at the predictions for her made before the accident.

To me, horoscopes are a classic example of something that cannot work- you can't predict what everyone who were born in a few months of the year will face over the next day or so. Coincidentally I belong to a 'cohort study' that follows all the people born in the week that I was born. Every 5 years there is a survey that we take part in- and it shows over the years the range of experiences we've had - the %'s who have married, divorced, are religious, professions, education level, employment, political views etc are all surveyed and used to illustrate what Brits of my age think and do (compared to older and youger cohorts). If astrology worked, then we'd all share some characteristics - but this survey shows that across the range we vary enormously (and indeed the premise of the survey is that we represent a snap shot of those born in our year of birth).

That said, I do believe that those who believe in these techniques and get some value out of them are experiencing what they think is a real phenomenon. If it helps them, then I don't dismiss the value they get out of it.

But for me - it's just a branch of entertainment that I can reproduce. (I do a mean palm reading)

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Shafique
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Re: Fortune Telling? Oct 13, 2010
If you believe in fate, or 'will of god' as you call it, then, by definition, you must also accept that it can be predicted. How this is done is anyone's guess.
I choose to dismiss it because I find the alternative depressing.
The sequence in Lost where Desmond could forsee Charlie's death, but could not prevent it comes to mind... or were they dead already?
Although I also understand how many people benefit from it.
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Re: Fortune Telling? Oct 13, 2010
Yeah specially the people doing the telling !
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Re: Fortune Telling? Oct 14, 2010
I am particularly talented at 'the laying on of hands', however my left cheek frequently gets red and sore from doing it!

I have also accurately predicted my own death, it will happen right at the end of my life.

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