I totally missed this story which made the national press in the UK in Feb. The outrage is over a vicar preaching what is in the Bible - outrageous says the women in the congregation. Eh - you need to get over there and tell the good vicar he should ignore these verses! ;) Outrage as vicar urges wom...
And they didn't back down: Rev Mark Oden defiant on call for wives to be ‘submissive’ [Following caption is given below a photo of the two] Rev. Angus MacLeay, left, and Curate Mark Oden, who did not want his wife to be interviewed about his comments \A clergyman who sparked a row by calling on wive...
BTW - I watched a movie last night - 'Unthinkable' - Samuel L Jackson in it along with Michael Sheen (the guy who played Blair in the Queen, and David Frost in 'Frost/Nixon') Recommended - and appropriate to this thread's subject matter (I quickly add in case Mel wanders by) ;) http://www.imdb.com/t...
You should ask one of them to show you the standard issue briefing document they are given before going on shore leave...its hilarious! The do's and don'ts of Dubai according to the US Navy. I will endeavour to get hold of a copy and post it here for everyone's amusement. I presume it tells the Mar...
I can't see it myself ... but I do recall hearing someone say (I think it was George Galloway) that the US controlled something like 40% of Kuwaiti territory - and IIRC he called that an occupation too. Historically, the US have been like house guests from hell, they arrive and never want to leave. ...
Most of the Phillipines would love to go and live in the US - i.e. they want to be house guests of the US! (A Filipino colleague once told me this - and he certainly was angling for a posting in the US - and he's the one who also told me about the bases) Here's the entry from the US Gov website: Unt...
Hey, I agree - it's pretty controversial to preach what the Bible says in the West (normally this part is censored) ;). I'm with you on this one eh - those Christian priests shouldn't take the Bible so literally and should ignore those verses. I mean, whatever next - are they going to start saying i...
Well, when we have some facts we can examine them. So far we have some 'I went to Waziristan and they forgot to tell me that putting fertilizer in a gun cabinet does not make a bomb' type 'facts' which basically shows either they taught him to ignore the information available on the internet, or he'...
Well, going on past Empires - you guys will be wanting to leave your outposts due to the increasing costs and the fact you owe the world so much money. Happened to the Brits, will happen to you. We can discuss the relative success of Imperial rules another time - but I would recommend reading Chomsk...
Well, given I agree with you - I guess we'll both have to argue with Kung then. Is 'garden of England' - Kent thinking of implementing Shariah law anytime soon and allowing wife beating? Do you see Mooslims everywhere eh - or is it like an instinctive reaction every time someone preaches from the Bi...
Eh - you need to get over there and tell the good vicar he should ignore these verses! ;) You could tell the congregation about your theories of Islam whilst he's there as well! What would you say: 'Don't listen to your vicars who quote the Bible and say “Whatever we do, it [modern marriage] is not...
RG - are you saying that the successful suicide bomber in the US, Joe Stack, wasn't Catholic? I agree he didn't visit Catholic Waziristan - he didn't need to, he lived in the Bible belt where other successful terrorists launched their attacks against fellow Americans. As I keep saying -thank God the...
So, eh, thanks for admitting that your only option was to change the subject after admitting that the Vicars were correctly quoting the Bible (that women should submit to their husbands, not speak in church)- but that they should have focussed on the contradictory verses which imply women could spea...
Hey, eh - credit where credit is due - you seem to have some evidence for Chomsky not being infallible. As I'd not read the interview in question, but had quoted Chomsky's analyis in 'Hegemony or Survival' (and had verified his stats - which did show that of around 2000 killed before the bombings, o...
Here's an interesting concept from the distant past. The early founding Church fathers came up with an interesting justification for the 'continuing existence' of Jews, now that Christianity had come along. 'Doctrine of the Witness'. Augustine and the other Church Fathers wrestled with this question...
eh - there is a revionist argument doing the rounds that Jews fared better under Christian rule in the past than under Islamic rule. This is trying to overturn historical facts - and is an argument proposed by people such as Robert Spencer. I presume you distance yourself from these (kooky?) ideas a...
Hey, your trolls in this section more literate than the ones in ours - and seemingly older and richer too, 340 acres of farmland - ooh err! (We have to make do with starry-eyed whipper snappers from yonder shores who like to issue fatwas and Quranic interpretations!) :) That said - I do love Pembrok...
I'm glad we agree on what the Bible says about women speaking in Church - and that indeed the Vicars should have rather focussed on the contradictory verses which said women can speak. However, you didn't answer the question about the main point of their sermon - that the Bible says women should sub...
Danios is quite impressive, and yes I have read his analysis and references for Jizya over the ages. Enlightening stuff. We'll save those refs for another day though. That Jews were treated better in certain geographic areas, such as the Byzantine Empire, Sicily under Norman rule and most Islamic na...
The Jews are God's elected people and His grace to them is irrevocable. So, the Crusaders that killed Jews as a penance before setting off for the East, weren't actually following the Bible then. As for what St Augustine says, you should provide direct quotes from him to see if you aren't misreadin...
I actually asked whether there were any Biblical verses which contradict the instructions to women to submit to their husbands? It appears that you disagree with the vicars over which verses of the Bible to ignore and which to take as gospel. How are the parishoners to judge whether a young guy from...