Bomb Plot - Muslim Tip-off

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Bomb Plot - Muslim tip-off Nov 01, 2010
The recent bomb plot from Yemen was foiled solely because of a tip off by a Saudi Muslim who decided to turn himself in and reveal the plot.

So, was he being a bad Muslim or a good Muslim by having a change of heart and revealing the "great printer bomb plot"?

Most people would point to this being a simple example of a Muslim doing the right thing and demolishing the idea that Islam is inherently evil, calls for Muslims to kill non-Muslims etc etc. Indeed, had the plot succeeded the Islamophobes would have rejoiced and extrapolated the actions of a few onto the religion itself.



Whilst the most extreme religious poster here believes:
Peace with Islam and Muslims is impossible. The only time Muslims seek peace is when they need to reload.

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This incident begs the question - should they not extrapolate the action of a Muslim who gifted this piece of intelligence to the 'kuffar' to all Muslims in general? ;)

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Re: Bomb Plot - Muslim tip-off Nov 02, 2010
Seems like the tip-off by an al-Qaeda member was more about reciprocity than genuine concern.
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Re: Bomb Plot - Muslim Tip-off Nov 02, 2010
Good grief, why does it matter if the person who gave the tip-off was Muslim? Why wouldn't anyone expect a Muslim person to reveal the info if they knew of the plot?

Only extremists think all Muslims are out to fight the entire non-Muslim world and it is a given that a Muslim would report the actions of an extremist Muslim to stop him/her from doing harm to others.

This forum is getting completely trashed with all this extremism talk all the time.
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Well said Kanelli.

Your second sentence is the point I wanted to bring out - sometimes it is worth pointing out the obvious truth... but I also take your point, the obvious truth is obvious to all except extremists.

I'm going trying to try and reform myself from troll baiting from now on. It is a hard habit to break though. ;)

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kanelli wrote:Good grief, why does it matter if the person who gave the tip-off was Muslim? Why wouldn't anyone expect a Muslim person to reveal the info if they knew of the plot?

Only extremists think all Muslims are out to fight the entire non-Muslim world and it is a given that a Muslim would report the actions of an extremist Muslim to stop him/her from doing harm to others.

This forum is getting completely trashed with all this extremism talk all the time.


But the Muslim who turned in his comrades is an extremist member of al-Qaeda.

It seems he turned his colleagues in for less than noble reasons, not for the reasons given in the OP.

Perhaps the author of this thread would have preferred it if others did not know that this Muslim Judas was an al-Qaeda member?

Anyways, nothing new under the sun.
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Re: Bomb Plot - Muslim Tip-off Nov 02, 2010
Where have you read that the tip-off came from an al-Qaeda member. What were his less than noble reasons?
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Re: Bomb Plot - Muslim tip-off Nov 02, 2010
kanelli, the Saudi Muslim was indeed a member of Al-Qaeda:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11666272

I too would like to know what the 'less than noble' reason was.

I stated in the OP that the guy had a change of heart - but asked whether he was being a Good Muslim or Bad Muslim for doing so. Had he not been part of the terrorist plot, he wouldn't have had the info. Perhaps his Islamic teaching of his childhood finally kicked in and over-rode the unIslamic thoughts about killing innocents?

Indeed, I'm reminded of the parable of the Prodigal Son - ;)

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Re: Bomb Plot - Muslim tip-off Nov 02, 2010
but asked whether he was being a Good Muslim or Bad Muslim for doing so.


As I said, reciprocity.

He can now move back to Saudi and live with his family. Before, he was unable to.

All he needs to do is throw al-Qaeda in the Arabian peninsula to the wolves and he's persona grata with the Saudis.

I can't say that someone who has gone back and forth between living the quiet life to palling it up with his terrorist friends a few times now is probably a good example of a moderate Muslim.

Even in the world of Jihad, some terrorist groups are seen as more extreme than others.

Edit: It actually says he may have been arrested before his 'surrender'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabir_Jubr ... t_reported
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"Jabr al-Faifi is reportedly one of several former detainees at the US detention centre at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, who were returned to Saudi Arabia for rehabilitation in December 2006.

After leaving Guantanamo he went through a rehabilitation programme in Saudi Arabia and then rejoined al-Qaeda in Yemen before turning himself in to Saudi authorities, AFP news agency reports.

He contacted Saudi government officials saying he wanted to return home and a handover was arranged through Yemen's government, interior ministry spokesman General Mansour al-Turki said."

It says he has been through some rehabilitation. What a bad choice on his part to re-join al-Qaeda. Anyhow, how lucky for many innocent people that he changed his mind and reported the plot.
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Re: Bomb Plot - Muslim tip-off Nov 02, 2010
Again, he was already under Yemeni (?) custody when he decided to 'surrender' to the Saudis.

LoL.

Better luck next time....
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^ Oh dear, another case of wishful thinking and not enough research. Another case of an epic fail?

Let's examine the facts as reported by AFP a few weeks back, shall we. The guy contacted the Saudis in Ramadhan and the Saudis directed him to the Yemeni security officials (note the sequence).

The rehabilitation programme's aim is to "convincing them through Islamic teachings that Qaeda's radical ideology is wrong"


Saudi arrests ex-Guantanamo Qaeda suspect
(AFP) – Oct 15, 2010

RIYADH — A former Guantanamo detainee who rejoined Al-Qaeda in Yemen after graduating from Saudi Arabia's rehabilitation programme has turned himself in to Saudi authorities, the government said on Friday.
Jaber Jabran al-Faifi, about 35, contacted the Saudi government in recent weeks saying he wanted to return home and a handover was arranged through Yemen's government, interior ministry spokesman General Mansour al-Turki said.

"He contacted our people during Ramadan and asked for their help to return to the kingdom," Turki said.
"We led him step-by-step until he reached Yemeni security forces, based on our instructions," he said.
Faifi was one of a group of former prisoners at the US Guantanamo prison who had been returned to Saudi Arabia for rehabilitation in December 2006 but then escaped to Yemen two years ago after completing the reform programme.

The group became a key part of the Yemen-based Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, or AQAP, and began plotting attacks on Saudi as well as Yemeni targets.

In total 11 of 117 Saudi Guantanamo returnees returned to militancy after completing the rehab programme, according to a top Saudi counter-terror official. Several have been killed or captured.

Faifi had been held in the US naval facility in Guantanamo, Cuba on accusations he trained and fought with Al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001.

US Defense Department documents say one of his aliases was on a captured Qaeda computer, that he fought against the Northern Alliance, and that in November-December 2001 he met with Qaeda members in Tora Bora, Afghanistan.

The documents give no date or location or his arrest.

Turki said that Faifi's case will be administered "according to local laws" but that he will be given consideration for turning himself in.

"We will treat him like the others who surrendered."

Other Qaeda-linked militants who have turned themselves in have been put through the rehabilitation programme, which aims at convincing them through Islamic teachings that Qaeda's radical ideology is wrong.
It also offers strong financial inducements and supervision through the militant's family that aim at preventing him from resuming militant activities.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 6aba83.4c1
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Re: Bomb Plot - Muslim Tip-off Nov 02, 2010
So event horizon, why do Muslims make rehabilitation programmes for extremist militants if all Muslims support terrorist goals?

You don't suppose that what he saw in al Qaeda in Yemen was turning him off, and that personal reflection during the holy month of Ramadan could have made this man change his mind? No, couldn't be possible...
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kanelli wrote:This forum is getting completely trashed with all this extremism talk all the time.


Yes, thank you K. It would be a great and welcomed change if we could talk politics in the politics forum instead of mud slinging contests.

A poll on this subject maybe ? :)
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Re: Bomb Plot - Muslim tip-off Nov 04, 2010
event horizon wrote:Again, he was already under Yemeni (?) custody when he decided to 'surrender' to the Saudis.

LoL.

Better luck next time....


Can we send out a search party for eh's apology? Or has he already moved on to another 'look at how evil the mooslims are' fairy tale? ;)

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