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Can anyone give me more information about the working visa Ban thing? :?:

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Apr 01, 2006
Waf

can you be more specific please, do you mean reference to the NOC?
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Apr 01, 2006
What if a comapny was sponsering me and then I got a better offer from another company and both of them are in Dubai. What r the risks of getting banned
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Apr 01, 2006
ok

Unless your company issue a No Objection Certificate mate you got no chance of getting another job for 12 months in dubai
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Apr 01, 2006
if you left you company, they have the right to ban you from working in UAE for 6 months, But i think the companies do that if you are really a**hole and left them in a bad way (i.e. doing bad job to leave, or gave them the notice and take the 30 days vacation) or they are really nasty.
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Apr 01, 2006
So it is doable if they issue this letter :?: :!:
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Apr 01, 2006
Waf, if they ban you, thats it mate

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But as you have only been in dubai a short while you could not have passed your period of probation. I believe this is a case where a company cannot ban you, if you have not passed your probation period.

Check your contract Waf
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Apr 01, 2006
I'm still in Cairo Arnie and i didn't sign anything yet but they are doing my initial work permit/visa.
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Apr 01, 2006
Guys, It's actually all changed. It's not the company that bans you, it's Immigration, they automatically give a 6 month ban if you don't have a No Objection Certificate.

A company will only refuse to issue an NOC if you're going to another company involved in the same industry.

You can get your visa transfered from one company to another, it's easier than doing the whole cancellation then reapplying thing and only take a few days to do once you have all the paper work and medical documentation.

Plus it's also much much easier if you have a degree like an MBA as you're seen as a professional and bans are very very rare for people with these.

It's getting easier to change job in the UAE as they're slowly beginnnig to realise it's more advantagious to allow people to move about than to constantly bring new people into the country.

My other half changed jobs and I was really surprised at easy it was to do it. The HR person from his old company went with HR from the new one to immigration with his passport and they cancelled the old visa and stamped the new one in all at the same time - dead easy.

Is the new job in the same sector?
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Apr 01, 2006
Wafaey wrote:I'm still in Cairo Arnie and i didn't sign anything yet but they are doing my initial work permit/visa.


soz Waf,

I assumed you had just arrived

Cairo ahhhhhhhh great place buddy, been there and Giza, great holiday but the traffic, the horns and the driving arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh noooooooooo

:lol: :lol:
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Apr 01, 2006
well Choco my problem is that i think the comany that is doing my papers blind sided me and r ripping me off with far less than what i should be paid but I had enough of Cairo and I want to move and give it Dubai a try.

PS Arnie Cairo is great to visit to live in it sucks big time
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Apr 01, 2006
Waf

If you want to share the details of the industry you work in and the salary, there is a wide range of people in here who can give you good advice.
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BAN ISSUE - REVISED Apr 01, 2006
1. there used to be two seperate bans, one from the immigration department and the other from labour. the immigration ban has now dropped away leaving only the MANDATORY labour ban in place.

2. a labour ban can only be circumvented if the following criteria are met a). your current sponsor provides you with an NOC and you have completed a minimum of 1 year of your contract b). the company you are working for is liquidated/ closed - this does not apply to companies where they are taken over or bought out by a new owner

3. the current (as of today, as it may change tomorrow) status of the ban issue is that you cannot cancel your labour card (even with the NOC) without incuring the ban; the only way to effect a change to another company is by transfering from one sponsor to another - transfering of visa's costs approximatly 5,200 AED to your new employer - who will, in most instances carry the cost across to the employee. under the old system, cancelling your labour card and applying under a new sponsor would have cost about 2,000 AED.

4. the ban (labour) is mandatory irrisepective of what labour catagory you are; under the old system of implementation certain catagories were excluded from the ban - this is no longer in effect..... so if you are postman or a corporate CEO you can still be banned.

5. some people - such as those on private visa's (drivers, domestic etc) and anyone working for any government/ military/ police institution have a mandatory 1 year ban imposed on them, not the 6 month ban like other catagories

6. people working in a FreeZone are excluded from the ban when transfering between companies - only because they are not subject to the Federal and Emirate labour law

7. under article 131 of the Labour Law UAE nationals are excluded from the ban on terminating their employment and taking on a new appointment
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Apr 01, 2006
Here is the deal Arnie I'm an architectural engineer and I'll be working in an architecture firm in Dubai as an architect. I have 5 yrs of exeprience mainly in project coordination and management. In what salary rang do u think I fall in ?
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Apr 01, 2006
Waf

Post those details up in a new post in expat/employment and there will be someone out there who can help you. I have no idea of the salary or industry so sorry i personally cant help you.

It probably would help if you also included the salary being offered.

Put "Architect" etc in the post subject to attract attention.
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