Shaw was passionately anti-war - this affected some of his judgments,
Really? His views on war affected his strong belief in eugenics and a Germany free of undesirables?
or even point to the training and support given to Bin Laden
Ok, you do that.
Perhaps that's right up there with your other poorly researched beliefs. Right next to your belief that Jesus is the speaker in the epistle of James, the fourth crusade or some of the numerous other mistakes you've made.
instead he studied the material and came up with the right conclusion that the caricature is of a previous century.
In what way was that a 'right' conclusion?
Oh forget it, you're simply the dumbest poster I've ever encountered.
The medieval ecclesiastics, either through ignorance or bigotry, painted Muhammadanism in the darkest colours. They were in fact trained both to hate the man Muhammad and his religion.
That's an opinion that the previous scholars 'were trained to hate'. Normally this would go without saying.
I can dig out loads of quotes from US presidents
Indeed, you can also dig out Hitler's favorable views on Islam. I'm actually surprised that none of these Dawah websites have quoted Hitler - who studied Islam just as George Bernard Shaw had and found its teachings on warfare attractive:
“Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of Arabs. When the Mohammedans attempted to penetrate beyond France into Central Europe during the eighth century, his visitors had told him, they had been driven back at the Battle of Tours. Had the Arabs won this battle, the world would be Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. The Germanic peoples would have become heirs to that religion. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire.
“Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking, ‘You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness….”5 (A. Speer, Inside the Third Reich, pp. 142-143)
Or Thomas Jefferson's views on Islam as reported to him by a Muslim ambassador:
The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.
I can only imagine that *if* Jefferson had actually spoken something remotely positive about Islam his quote would be plastered on 50.000 dawah websites for drawing the 'right conclusion'.
I feel sorry for anyone who has to rely on quotes (often times forged) to try and prove a point. I mean, how brain dead do you have to be to not realize that for every positive view held by a historical figure, there is going to be some other popular figure who holds the opposite view. Let alone, what does quoting historical figures actually prove?
Oh well, I think the tactics of dawah websites, whether it's scouring the internet for quotes or posting on the scientific 'miracles' of the Koran, show how absolutely primitive most Muslims are.
I would like to think that not all Muslims are as dumb as shafique and the missionary websites he quotes from are, but my encounters on the web have so far revealed little evidence to the contrary.