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Contrary to the spin fed to us by the Western and Islamic/Arab media, respectively, it was the Pal-Arabs who rejected the UN partition plan of '47 whereas the Jews accepted the UN plan. That's true - the 1947 plan gave Israel 55% of the land and Palestine 45% of the land. The Arab side did indeed r...

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Yes, I do join you in condemning the terrorist attack by a woman who they say was an Islamic radical. You may have forgotten, but you are the only one here who condones the murders of babies and the enslavement of virgins - when 'god tells them to do it' - and you are the one who refuses to condemn ...

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I guess we have indeed moved on from the allegations of 'lies' and now want to know which part of Rob's descriptions of Weimar republic I approve of as justification for Chomsky's valid statement that I quoted in full above.

Interesting that.

Chomsky 3, eh - 0.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Oh, no one's ever accused Israel of not being consistent. A few people are on record saying that Israel would attack and then blame the victims. Par for the course really. What's different is that the spin isn't working as well as it used to. 'Sea of Stupidity' - sums it up quite well - remember Haa...

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I'm still amazed at the cack-handedness way in which the Israelis went about their hijacking/piracy. It's not as if they didn't know the flotilla of Peace Protestors was on its way or there was a lack of intelligence (I mean, seriously - does anyone think they were transporting weapons instead of fo...

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You seem unhappy I used your exact words when condemning the terrorist you condemn. Strange that. :? As for you being the most extreme religious fanatic here - you ask for your quotes... well, as I am told I should recycle where possible.. here is a reply I made earlier: That said, he's less extreme...

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Locking up this guy again (who has already spent 18 years in jail) can't really be spun in any meaningful way. Let me quote Avi Shlaim once more (writing before Israel stepped up its acts of madness): This brief review of Israel's record over the past four decades makes it difficult to resist the co...

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I'm glad that eh accepts the premise that the Somalis are better at hijacking boats than the Israelis - I agree that 'only' bringing guns to a knife fight is out of character for the Israelis. Thanks also for the paste of the Israeli spin.. now contrast that with what the rest of the world concludes...

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Here's the link again: http://www.dubaiforums.com/philosophy-dubai/most-extreme-religous-fanatic-here-t41961.html and the second one (in relation to cojohnes): http://www.dubaiforums.com/philosophy-dubai/bible-and-science-defence-t40975.html I'm also really struggling to see what you're complaining ...

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And yet they still killed so many! I guess we should be grateful for small mercies! BTW - if Israel is so confident it is in the right, why has it trying to censor all the news?: Israel has imposed an information blackout, making it difficult to gather first-hand accounts from the campaigners. http:...

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^far be it for me to tell you what you should be looking for, but may I suggest you start with a consistent approach to the killing of civilians (you seem to only condemn terrorist acts when carried out by non-Jews)and a conscious. However, a start would be a quote where you join me in condemning th...

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It is worth highlighting the strong point the FT makes: Hamas engages in terrorism and fires occasional rockets into Israel, but it is an example of that rarest of Middle Eastern species: a popularly elected government. It has also signed up to the 2002 comprehensive peace offer by the Arab League a...

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Yeah, I agree with FD - the PLO made some clunkers of mistakes in the past. However, some of the 'mistakes' is nothing but Israeli spin -eg like Arafat turned down a 'generous' proposal from the Israelis at Oslo (the historic record shows quite the contrary). The Arabs should indeed, looking back, h...

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I agree with Haaretz's posts which view the Israeli acts of piracy and hijacking as unbelievably ill-thought-out acts. This article sums it up quite nicely, and I'll post a couple more after which expand on the point. (It would be interesting to see if anything this candid appears in US newspapers?)...

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A failure any way you slice it By Reuven Pedatzur Perhaps the commanders of the Israel Navy and policymakers should have read history books before sending special forces to raid boats carrying civilians. The operational details of Israel's takeover of the flotilla of boats headed to Gaza won't be cl...

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Another - along the same lines (again from Haaretz): Fiasco on the high seas By Ari Shavit Benjamin Netanyahu, Ehud Barak and Moshe Ya'alon are supposed to know history. They are supposed to know there was no greater mistake than that of the British with regard to the illegal immigrant ship Exodus i...

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:) Nice one Rob. The more I look into this, the more sorry I feel for the poor commandos who decided to put on a comedy show before losing their sense of humour and started shooting. I thought the two guys who decided to gift the Turkish guys their hand guns (and the one rifle) and then take a comed...

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This American Catholic makes an interesting prediction: "If history is a guide the Israeli military will conduct a thorough review of this morning's massacre before clearing itself on all counts and accusing any contradicting investigations of anti-Semitism." http://www.uscatholic.org/blog...

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Haaretz is having a blinder of a day today - this time Levy tackles head on the spin: Operation Mini Cast Lead By Gideon Levy Like in "Mini-Israel," the park where there is everything, but smaller, Israel embarked yesterday on a mini Operation Cast Lead. Like its larger, losing predecessor...

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Well, I took pains to point out the first excuse yesterday - and it was an accusation that the keystone cops were fired upon: ..instead the peace activists opened fire. And thus the excuses begin. Now, the story is changing... "This was not an act of self-defence," said Mr Paech, a politic...

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The prediction is what Israel's conclusion will be and what it will accuse those critical of it will be. However, I'm going out on a limb here and will predict that the Yank may be wrong this time and Israel won't clear itself on all counts and accuse others of anti-semitism... we'll have to see. ;)...

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under the pretence of peace and get there behinds kicked, they start crying for their mammy! Aren't you being a bit harsh on the keystone 'commandos'? I hear that the Somali Shabab are putting together a training course - which will include: 1. How to tell whether it is night or day 2. How to tell ...

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As Levy put it: ... the usual false claim that is was they who had started it - and not the landing of commandos from helicopters on a ship in open sea, away from Israeli territorial waters. .. Yesterday there was no one on the planet , not a newsman or analyst, except for its conscripted chorus , w...

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Well, at least the catalogue of breaches of international law is now well documented and there for those interested in the truth. And as Shlaim says, 'habitually violating international law' is a characteristic of a rogue state. I think that part of the problem is that Israel started believing the h...

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Rachel Corrie, an Irish ship, is on its way in an attempt to break through the Israeli blockade. Here’s hoping that the Israeli military won’t react wildly once again and do something crazy like killing innocent civilians on a peace mission. Ireland to Israel: Let the new aid ship break the Gaza blo...

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^''Ask, and what you ask for shall be given to you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and the door shall be opened to you" Israelis opened fire before boarding Gaza flotilla, say released activists http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/01/gaza-flotilla-eyewitness-accounts-gunfire (Sorry it to...

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Nice summary eh. You forgot to count body bags though. As Levy said, the 'conscripted chorus' will believe the 'usual false claim' that Israel was the victim. Hey, I usually root for the underdog - and I'm therefore seriously considering joining you in defending the 'keystone commandos' actions in t...

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Hey dude - I'm on your side now. I'm having a drink of Coke and wearing a baseball cap and chewing gum... Here's another argument we can use - those bleeding heart liberal 'peace activists' should be grateful it wasn't 'our boys' who stormed the ship - if it were so, we'd kill all those on board :sh...

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eh - I having a hard time poking holes in this argument though - can you help me out.. Patrick Cockburn: PR dangerously distorts the Israeli sense of realit An old Israeli saying describing various less-than-esteemed military leaders says: "He was so stupid that even the other generals noticed....

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