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^ian^ wrote:And here's me thinking I was going to buy a Hummer and call it Mo'Hummered.

You can shoot me now.

Ha! +9999999 rep for you Ian!

Gezza

I kind of agree with Ian (although to be fair, you have already admitted that perhaps your response was a bit over the top...)

I think it's that whole notion of 'outrage' or 'indignation' - that 'how dare they!!" attitude. It's a very British response and there is something about it which can sound almost...colonial?

But actually mate, am not having a go because honestly, like you, I feel desperately, desperately sorry for this poor woman - and ed with what's happened to her.

And I definitely believe that once again, this whole saga has (unfortunately) sent out a negative image of Islam/the religion's place in modernity...

Btw, am not going back to the indignation theme just to have a go - because like I said, in truth I do feel (partly) indignent! - but something did occur to me - a lot of British people/westerners are feeling something to the effect of 'christ, what a bunch of savage backward fanatics these Sudanese are...."

Which is probablly what Sudanese/many arabs/muslims think about Britain's involvement in Iraq...

burton wrote:Gezza

I kind of agree with Ian (although to be fair, you have already admitted that perhaps your response was a bit over the top...)

I think it's that whole notion of 'outrage' or 'indignation' - that 'how dare they!!" attitude. It's a very British response and there is something about it which can sound almost...colonial?

But actually mate, am not having a go because honestly, like you, I feel desperately, desperately sorry for this poor woman - and ed with what's happened to her.

And I definitely believe that once again, this whole saga has (unfortunately) sent out a negative image of Islam/the religion's place in modernity...

Btw, am not going back to the indignation theme just to have a go - because like I said, in truth I do feel (partly) indignent! - but something did occur to me - a lot of British people/westerners are feeling something to the effect of 'christ, what a bunch of savage backward fanatics these Sudanese are...."

Which is probablly what Sudanese/many arabs/muslims think about Britain's involvement in Iraq...

well mate.
That puts a whole new spin on it!!
#Here is my view on that situation.
England should not have got involved in Iraq.
Point taken.
but to prove a point we dont go around blowing up innocent people who have done nothing wrong.
ok Iraq is a whole new Ball game.
but I dont see everyday westerners blowing up Muslims because A British teacher got imprisoned.
There has got to be a line drawn somewere?no?
Dont you think a teddy bear is a good starting point?

gezza wrote:There has got to be a line drawn somewere?no?
Dont you think a teddy bear is a good starting point?

Mate, I think a teddy bear would be an excellent place to start...

I share your concerns/feelings about the worst reaction which we all saw, ie the mob. I am torn between acknowledging the fact that they were a minority - I mean, they really were - and the point that there shouldn't have been this kind of response at all...

As trivial and alarmist as it may seem to some (the very liberal pc brigade) it is precisely the effigy burning, sword wielding, death threat chanting behaviour which is most worrying. Not because such people are the majority. We know they are not. But because even as a minority, the mainstream face of Islam, the moderate majority in muslim countries still seems to have a problem tackling it. If you like, it still seems to invade 'civil' society...

This can become a real touchy subject - when you start talking about religion and 'reform'. I guess part of the reason is that you are suggesting that there is something which needs changing, ie that something is inherently lacking or inadequate...

My last - and very personal belief - is that reform is not a dirty word. And yes, broadly speaking, I am waiting for it 'to happen' in the muslim world. In the west, they called it the enlightenment and to be blunt, it certainly didn't do any harm...

oye geeezzzaaa wots ur mums name mate???

no offense or anything do you think we can name the teddy after her . thats only if its ok with u and u dont boil ur top off and u wont go red like a bloody tomatoe.

so wot do you think?

So what's the reason behind the naming of most of the muslim men around the world after the prophet?
It may be an honor or a blessing or something to the person (i dunno.. maybe it brings good luck?), but don't you think it's an insult towards the prophet for his holy name to be given to a mere mortal sinner man?
What if that man turned out to be an immoral person?

pinoy u r right. but we talking about a teddy here :S i dont think a teddy has any life in it. Mohammed is a touchy issue especially after the whole fiasco about the cartoon of Mohammed (PBUH).

What I would like to know is y the teacher couldnt find a better name? Y not Ahmed? or Salman or EVEN JESUS??? Y didnt she do that? I dont know what kind of a person she is am sure she is a nice person and all. I also dont know if she hates muslims and she named a teddy mohammed cos she knew that it would create a huge fuss. I really dont know y she did it but all I know is the CNN are reporting it ONCE again for all the wrong reasons.

If she didnt do it on a purpose I dont think she would be locked down in a prison. Maybe one of the students complained about her maybe she was making fun of the Prophet. I dont know what happened and I am not gonna believe what CNN says because hey we all know they will say what ever bush asks them to say . Even if Bush made claims that santa claus carries wmd in his sledge then I am sure that CNN would broadcast it throughout the world .

^ian^ wrote:Kind of like the satire in Northern Ireland?

No, not at all!

Northern Ireland had some of the blackest, funniest humour during it's dark times, nothing was taboo. It's a different place now right enough, and the world is better for it.

rudeboy wrote:pinoy u r right. but we talking about a teddy here :S i dont think a teddy has any life in it. Mohammed is a touchy issue especially after the whole fiasco about the cartoon of Mohammed (PBUH).

What I would like to know is y the teacher couldnt find a better name? Y not Ahmed? or Salman or EVEN JESUS??? Y didnt she do that? I dont know what kind of a person she is am sure she is a nice person and all. I also dont know if she hates muslims and she named a teddy mohammed cos she knew that it would create a huge fuss. I really dont know y she did it but all I know is the CNN are reporting it ONCE again for all the wrong reasons.

If she didnt do it on a purpose I dont think she would be locked down in a prison. Maybe one of the students complained about her maybe she was making fun of the Prophet. I dont know what happened and I am not gonna believe what CNN says because hey we all know they will say what ever bush asks them to say . Even if Bush made claims that santa claus carries wmd in his sledge then I am sure that CNN would broadcast it throughout the world .

If she hates muslims she wud most probably not be working in Sudan to begin with dont u think? I think it is exactly as its described in the news, the kids got to vote about a suiting name for the teddy, Mohammed is a common name n the teddy got named Mohammed.


Muslims shud calm down and stop getting upset over every little thing all the time. If u dont like something theres civilized ways of making a point about it. First muslims wave machetes and scream for a persons death over a firggin teddy bear, then they complain that the west is islamophobic... And then blame that on bush or the americans or wtv, blame it on other muslims and islamic terrorists instead.

I don't like the term "islamophobia" but, when I hear something like this, mobs waving machetes and stuff and screaming for a lady teacher's death... I understand why. Imagine what could happen to her if she was let out there in the street!
Can't they find a more er.. civilized (i.e. not involving bloodshed) way to protest?

pinoy1 wrote:I don't like the term "islamophobia" but, when I hear something like this, mobs waving machetes and stuff and screaming for a lady teacher's death... I understand why. Imagine what could happen to her if she was let out there in the street!
Can't they find a more er.. civilized (i.e. not involving bloodshed) way to protest?

It's a religious thing more then a cultural or regional;



There are the moderate whole - but your not allowed to upset the whole to question the extreme by openly examining why something on heresay from 1500 years ago is still so powerful today when a lot of it falls down when held against reason and fact.. Any other area is ok to openly question and inspect and hold up against what we understand of the world today. For example If I make a claim in public that seems extreme or bizarre it is openly expected that my claims should be held up and examined. If said claims were proved to be untrue, but I held hard to my statements, I would be labeled crazy or a insane.

Hmm!! I come from a small township in the southern part of India. During my school days, I remember watching a side street carnival man perfrming his trips on the pavement every evening. His main performing artists were a dog, a monkey and two cats. The guy's name was Mohammed( very typical in the muslim dominated township(very friendly and peaceful) district where I originally come from)
The other performing artists
Dog - Jimmy ( a christian name but very common for dogs in our area)
Monkey - Ramu (Name of a Hindu deity, believed to be the brahma manifestation)
Cat1 - Rani ( a very common name among females)
Cat2 - Zeenat ( a muslim name, name of one of the hottest bollywood actors of yesteryears)

He appeared to be a very calm man but ofcourse not to his monkey who wouldnt listen everytime he's asked to perform a trick. So he used to punish the monkey with lashes and other terror tactics.( though he hardly hurt him).
So in effect Mohammed (beholder of the Prof.'s name) used to beat Ramu(the monkey with the name of a Hindu God).

Does'nt that make Mohammed a bad person and unsuited to hold the name? and shouldnt he and his dad n mom be punished for naming him. And all the Hindu's of India react against a muslim performing tricks with a monkey named after a hindu god and ill treating it?

But poor us, we dint know any of it. We used to feel sorry for the monkey at times when he used to be forced to do some tricks and happy to see the tricks. And the bigger plus was though he would take money from the grown ups he wouldnt take any money from us kids to see the tricks.
After some years, coz of the pressures from PETA and local police,he stopped the circus and resorted to doing nothing but holding on to a Beedi(a small cigarillo) all the time.

Lets get some common sense, naming a bear(such a wonderful animal, but dont feed them unless u r their mom) anything doesnt make a difference to anyone's lives. And if it does, all it takes is someone else renaming it.

Jabba, I think that pic is creepier than the image of machete-weilding fanatics. At least the machete bunch is "raw" hatred. That one is like more psychological (insane)- with a kid holding up the posters at that!