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shafique

Nice attempt at diversion there, young one. All those threads are awaiting your answers, not mine - eg. why you think Spencer knows more about Islam and Christianity than Christian theologians who have actually read the Quran; Is your friend Pastor Jones really going to burn the Talmud; and whether ...

shafique

Berrin, a serious question -are you married and do you have children? If you are married, ask your wife to read your post above and let us know her comments. If you're not married, then I'd advise you re-read your posts and at least apologise to kanelli for your tone and lack of humility - you are n...

shafique

^that's exactly how I feel!

shafique

So, that's a 'no I have no new evidence or arguments' then.

I await any new evidence and any, and I mean any, argument why anyone would believe Spencer's interpretation of the bits of the Quran he's read, over that of the Prophet, pbuh.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

So, that's a 'no' I can't actually address Kung's findings directly, but will quote someone else'. BTW - who is this Craig fellow, and why should we believe him over Kung, and (more to the point) has he actually studied the Quran or is he relying on quotes from loon bloggers? As I stated above, many...

shafique

Yes, we are indeed discussing Spencer's interpretation of the selected verses he's read and what is the reality of Islam. Specifically, we need to choose whether Spencer is right that ALL non-Muslims states should be attacked according to Islam, vs the practice of the Prophet, pbuh, clarified in pra...

shafique

When you get round to addressing the questions posed, let me know. You keep going back to the selective quotes and your loon interpretations, but can't address the simple question posed: why is it that Christian theologians who have actually studied the Quran conclude that the God of the Bible is th...

shafique

I have indeed just repeated my simple point - you are correct. I really don't understand why you think Spencer's interpretation of selective quotes trumps the simple fact I laid out that punks his argument? Why should we believe Spencer's interpretations of the verses he's read, over the actual prac...

shafique

I'm starting with Kung and waiting for you to address his conclusions and the fact he's actually studied the Quran vs Spencer who hasn't actually read the whole Quran but thinks he knows what Islam actually is about. Why do you want me to quote other Christian theologians as well.. are you playing f...

shafique

Link? Given the blogger recommends Spencer, I presume he's a fellow loon blogger? Now, what did I say about Turkey's voting for Christmas? If you read the anti-Islam fear-mongering websites, all you’ll learn will be tall tales. Stop press: the 'reviewer' could well be Bob Spencer himself or even eh ...

shafique

I refer you to my questions about Craig's knowledge of the Quran and his credentials in this regard and point out that Kung's conclusions are clear and are from a Theologian who has indeed studied the Quran. I await your comments and trust you won't just try and find another quote to divert attentio...

shafique

I've already commented on Spencer's selective quotes and loon interpretation - his views have been punked by the simple fact that the Prophet, pbuh, taught and practiced something that contradicts the loon interpretation. Simple question eh, why should we believe a loon interpretation rather than wh...

shafique

Horrific account of the lady's life and troubles - and if the guy is guilty of the brutal rape, then house arrest and sympathy are indeed too light a punishment. And as for her father... I hope he's not enjoying his freedom! Haaretz puts the blame on the media for the reporting - but looking back at...

shafique

Well, I'll wait for you to answer the question then - why should we believe Spencer's interpretation of the verses he's read and the quotes he's dug up? So the best thing to do is find out what Islam really is about. Talk to a Muslim in person. Read an introduction to Islam (try a fun one like mine)...

shafique

Sorry, what was your argument against Kung's conclusion that God is the same? I asked what Craig's credentials were in relation to his study of the Quran - and why we should believe his view rather than Kung's conclusion? I never said I agree with all of Kung's views (he's a practising Catholic afte...

shafique

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwoFWqSE ... dded#at=83

and part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbfbRCSV ... feature=iv

shafique

Did you look up what Jihad means in Islam and compare it with Spencer's theory?

As I said, if you are still confused with the explanations, just holler and I'll explain more simply for you. Just let me know what confuses you.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Have you any evidence that WLC has studied the Quran, or is this another one of your 'trust me, I'm a loon' moments? As I said, I await your refutation of Kung's conclusion (who has indeed studied the Quran) and certainly knows his Bible. How do we know that WLC isn't getting his info from Spencer -...

shafique

I think you're referring to Pastor Jones' 'Loongate: 2010' surely. ;) How many loons will support book burning and say it is an expression of freedom of speech, and also oppose the Park 51 cultural center, and not notice the irony (or is it hypocrisy)? But, eh - you're still avoiding the question - ...

shafique

The guy is a card-carrying loon - he's threatened to burn the Jewish religious book, the Talmud too: http://www.dubaiforums.com/dubai-politics-talk/pastor-jones-now-burning-the-talmud-t43124.html#p346041 ..and here he is trying to defend his actions: http://www.dubaiforums.com/dubai-politics-talk/bu...

shafique

Why do you think that Spencer's selective quotes and his interpretation represent the 'conclusions of Muslim scholars'? I've pointed out that Spencer's interpretation of the verses of the Quran he's read and the selective quotes he's amassed have been punked by the simple fact that the Prophet, pbuh...

shafique

You're welcome. The first one does raise an interesting paradox - all this fuss about burning Qurans may actually lead to more people actually reading the Quran than otherwise might have been the case. I mean, those that are in favour of burning the Quran are going to be pretty much like the guy fea...

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Well, according to Der Spiegel, the Pastor ISN'T all there, and having a 'Delusional Personality': Terry Jones Accused of 'Spiritual Abuse' at Cologne Church By Yassin Musharbash and Dominik Peters US fundamentalist pastor Terry Jones, who wants to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11, ran a church ...

shafique

Look, just because Spencer tells you that his quotes represent true Islam, doesn't actually change the facts on the ground (to borrow a turn of phrase). You have singularly failed to address a simple fact that the Prophet, pbuh, taught and demonstrated that Islam does NOT advocate Muslims attacking ...

shafique

Eid Mubarak to you all (in anticipation of Eid being tomorrow). Here were still waiting for the moon to be sighted tonight - but pretty much everyone expects it to be tomorrow. And given it is a national holiday, the non-muslims are praying harder than the Muslims that the moon will be sighted tonig...

shafique

I couldn't see any new argument in your post eh. Did you read, understand and compare the information about Jihad in the link I gave with Spencer's distorted view? When you have a point you want to debate that is not in the articles, let me know. Specifically, I'm happy to debate the point: You have...

shafique

Bora - I think that those behind Park 51 did indeed stop and think about the wisdom of building a cultural centre in an abandoned coat factory in a side street of Manhattan that no one else wanted to buy and develop. A center which will not advocate hate and be open to all and have a gym and a praye...

shafique

So would you close down the mosque that is 4 blocks away from Ground zero, and has been there since the 70's? :) But you at least have answered the question that I haven't seen answered anywhere else - how many blocks away would be ok to open a mosque (even though this centre isn't a mosque). And ye...

shafique

Right now, waiting for Iftar!

I now live and work in Mauritius (but travel a lot in Africa and sometimes back to the Gulf), I'm an ex-Dubai expat..

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Fair enough.

Let's see whether the cultural centre project goes ahead and what real offence it does give.

As for the Pastor, we'll know in a couple of days..

Cheers,
Shafique

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