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shafique

I see that you still haven't actually read/understood the article.

But hey, as I said, why let facts get in the way of a good 'belief'?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Interesting that you believe I look foolish for agreeing with the UN, ICC, EU, Amnesty International, B'tselem etc that Israel is an occupying power and is breaking the law when it tries to establish permanent colonies or annex land that does not belong to Israel - and that the land captured in 1967...

shafique

I had to read your long post twice and still couldn't find any evidence to support your theory. Let me make this very simple for you: 1. God says Jews take Ezra for a 'ben elohim' - a 'son of God'. 2. God does not say Jews worship Ezra (don't know where you're getting this from) 3. Newby says ben el...

shafique

Great we are getting somewhere. So, under the rules and actual implemenation of Jizya - the rate was 'moderate' as Arnold puts it. Where the rate is zero, Muslims pay higher taxes. For better-off non-Muslims, the tax burden is clearly lower (maximum 48 chickens a year, 4 chickens a month - or 12g si...

shafique

FD - whilst I may not agree with some of your beliefs/interpretations I will certainly defend your right to express them. Fascinating stuff -really. The argument that Israel is not technically an occupier is a good attempt - but I see it as nothing more than sophistry. The wiki entry on the legal st...

shafique

Great, we agree that God does not say that the Jews worshipped Ezra, but considered him a 'son of god' or 'ben elohim' in Hebrew. I understand you wish to construct a strawman - but according to this thread's title, you are arguing that there are innaccuracies in the Quran. God saying Jews considere...

shafique

Great, we are making progress. Where the poor did not pay taxes, they are not worse off financially by remaining non-Muslim. Should their wealth increase, we clearly agree that non-poor Muslims pay more than non-Christians. The only area therefore we need to look at is the transition between poor an...

shafique

I presume that we agree on this point then?

shafique wrote:However, are you agreeing with me that the Qruanic account for Lot's wife is more credible than the Biblical account which says she turned into a pillar of salt?

Surely that would make the Quran more credible than the Bible on this point - n'est pas?

shafique

The news about the numpties planning to blow up the Danish press corroborates the point made in the initial article. Many thanks for eh for posting this (albeit he probably still hasn't read/understood the article's point)

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

As I said, the argument that Israel is not an occupying power of land captured in war in 1967 is both funny and an object lesson is sophistry. As for the facts - these are verifiable. Fact 1 - Israel has made no concessions, if it had, you would have pointed out one - pulling out of Gaza was not a c...

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In the Palestinian Push for Peace thread, the following fact is what is being disputed by FD: 2. Israel broke the truce and lied about why it was bombing Gaza and killing civilians (by saying Hamas broke the truce) The fact is in two parts - 1. Israel broke the truce (see articles above which clearl...

shafique

Thanks - what God says in the Quran is quite clear, i.e. that Jews took Ezra for a Ben Elohim. Nothing there says Jews worshipped Ezra. As I said, it appears that it is your logic and not God's words which are at fault - and at the end of the day, Newby agrees that Ezra would have been considered a ...

shafique

Oh dear, eh wants a lesson in arithmetic. Ok then. Let's start. Zakat is a tax on wealth (savings) - it is set at 2.5% of the savings at the end of each year. When a person has wealth of more than 200 chickens, the Zakat is calculated on this amount of savings. A person who has saved 200 chicken's w...

shafique

I see you haven't presented any new evidence - and you don't disagree that God only says Jews considered Ezra a 'ben elohim' (so your strawman of 'committing shirk' is another one of your quaint interpretations). Let me know if you do find a historical inaccuracy in the Quran, rather than constructi...

shafique

I'm just saying that the references show that : 1. Jizya of 1 chicken a month is not burdensome (you even make the point that you never argued that Jizya was burdensome - so you would agree with this) 2. Jizya is less than Zakat (only one of the taxes Muslims paid) - for those who are exempt from Ji...

shafique

This thread was about Palestinian diplomatic initiatives (peaceful ones) to get the Peace Process moving. I can't see how my statements of fact are 'spamming' or listing Israeli threats. Jordan is a separate country, Israel does now have 40% more land than the UN initially allocated and the Palestin...

shafique

All valid points Humbleman, however I posted the evidence above to make the specific point that Israel lied when it claimed Hamas broke the truce and used this to justify the killing of over 1000 Palestinians in Gaza.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

As I said, the facts are the facts - and we can disagree over the interpretation of the facts, but they remain: 1. Israel has made no concessions in the peace negotiations - it has been all the Palestinians 2. Israel broke the truce and lied about why it was bombing Gaza and killing civilians (by sa...

shafique

A thought occured to me in the discussion about Palestine regarding the fact that Israel now has 78% of the land and Palestinians are willing to settle for 22%. Israel and Palestine were created in 1947 by a UN resolution (181) - Jordan was already a separate entity before this, and its borders are ...

shafique

Interesting distinction between Israel and Jordan, but I take it you agree that Kuwait and Lebanon are just as artificial. Did you agree with Iraq's invasion of Kuwait - seems they have more legitimate claim over Kuwait than Israel has over Palestine, don't you think? Anyway, whether you think I hav...

shafique

Why would Israel be a threat? It shouldn't . It should abide by international laws and be treated as any other country. However, it has WMD and has refused to sign NPT. It flaunts international law by annexing land that doesn't belong to it. It has invaded it's neighbours. It currently occupies land...

shafique

Well, given the Saudi authorities are looking into the case, I guess it is not as clear cut as FD thinks. Also, whilst something may be within the law it may still be wrong - much like the arguments that Israel isn't 'technically' occupying any territory! ;) Shariah does not specify a minimum age fo...

shafique

By contrast I wasn't shocked at your thinly veiled attempts to smear Islam and the Prophet, (well, not veiled any more).

It is interesting that you seem to hold Israel with something akin to religious values - jumping to its defence even when it is breaking laws.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Excuses, excuses. You don't disagree that you're trying the argument that Israel's neighbours are also breaking the law etc. I totally agree that religious terrorists like Baruch Goldstein are a minority in Israel, the point was that Israel has all the characteristics of rogue states it points finge...

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I posted this at the time, but in Jan 09, when analysing the Israeli bombing of Gaza, Avi Shlaim concluded: This brief review of Israel's record over the past four decades makes it difficult to resist the conclusion that it has become a rogue state with "an utterly unscrupulous set of leaders&q...

shafique

It just goes to show that one should always check out assumptions and beliefs. I thought you'd reject Matthew's account which says Pilate was not responsible and put the blame on Jews for killing Jesus (and therefore disagree with Paul when he says "Jews killed Jesus")- but you see, I chec...

shafique

To keep things in perspective, let us see what the Bible says on the simple question - Who Killed Jesus? Paul says it was the Jews: In I Thessalonians 2:14-16, Paul writes, . . . even as they have of the Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, [/quote] Matthew says it was not t...

shafique

This article is from the Sydney Morning Herald - makes interesting reading. http://images.smh.com.au/2010/01/28/1072139/ind_muslims1-300x200.jpg Muslim feminists deserve to be heard RANDA ABDEL-FATTAH AND SUSAN CARLAND January 28, 2010 Women don't have to give up Islam for rights, argue Randa Abdel-...

shafique

FD recently stated that Israel hadn't resorted to extra-judicial killings recently - and that apparently it was no longer Israeli policy. Well, it appears (if the allegation is true) that Israel is up to its old tricks of killing people without due process - and in Dubai! Hamas military commander 'a...

shafique

Goes to show you shouldn't believe what you read without looking up updates! Maan is also reporting the same news as BBC (and Haaretz): http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=257573 I see that Haaretz is also reporting on the what the current news is (rather than was reported 9 days ago): ....

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