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Glad we agree on the facts that Israel is the occupying power and that national reistance to the occupying power is legal under the Geneva Conventions. I'm with the international community who say that Israel is breaking international laws with its treatment of Palestinians under occupation - but I'...

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I see you are still in denial about Israel breaking the truce. Rockets were not fired by Hamas before Israel broke the truce - even Mark Regev admits this fact. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6e-elrgYL0 And you don't seem to have addressed the point that the killings in Gaza did not stop an immedia...

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Just to summarise the long reply above, the facts I stated are: So, we do agree on the facts: 1. Israel has made no concessions in the peace negotiations - it has been all the Palestinians 2. Israel broke the truce and lied about why it was bombing Gaza and killing civilians (by saying Hamas broke t...

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Hamas' stand Hamas has never supported attacks on Westerners, as even our harshest critics will concede; our struggle has always been focused on the occupier and our legal resistance to it — a right of occupied people that is explicitly supported by the Fourth Geneva Convention. ... Our resistance ...

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Huh? Hamas did not fire rockets before the truce was broken, nor did rocket fire have anything to do with Israel breaking the truce. Israel broke the truce, then lied about Hamas being the ones who broke it. Simple, factual and verifiable. As for fact 5 - we have agreed this point as being factual, ...

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The discrimination in East Jerusalem is a fact - you've admitted that Israel is indeed discriminating against non-Israeli citizens who legally reside in Occupied East Jerusalem. You seem to think this discrimination is ok, but 478 makes it clear that Israel is acting illegally Yes, I have no proble...

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Ok - perhaps I should have gone back a little further - but this is what you posted on 29 December 2009: So, now we agree that Israel should not be above the law - I guess we are close to recognising the fact that Israel is breaking international law by annexing East Jerusalem and imposing discrimin...

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I'm still intrigued as to why you think fact 2 is not correct - we agree Israel broke the truce, I wasn't talking about the truce, but the reason for the siege. No terror, no siege, simple. Oh yes, so Israel broke the truce by bombing a tunnel meant for kidnapping more Israeli soldiers. ..and it is ...

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Hey, you seem to be missing the point. Fact 5 does not state whether Israel is illegally or legally discriminating against the non-Israeli residents of East Jerusalem, it is merely stating the fact that Israel is discriminating (which means treating them worse/differently). In fact B'tselem does mak...

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I thought you were being funny - my summary of the facts was worded in the way it was because I know you were differing with me over whether the discrimination was legal/normal or illegal etc. For example, when we discussed it, you asked what discrimination was taking place in East Jerusalem and gav...

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You didn't read/understand the first post of this thread, did you eh?

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I was just summarising what I thought we'd established/agreed in this long thread - that's why I worded the facts in the way I did - to highlight the bits we agree on: So, we do agree on the facts: 1. Israel has made no concessions in the peace negotiations - it has been all the Palestinians 2. Isra...

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As I said, if your theory is correct and the Jews of Arabia did not consider Ezra as a ben elohim, you should be able to positively show this and also show that they raised this objection at the time the Quran was revealed or during the time Islam spread through Arabia. In the absence of this proof,...

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Who's shifting goal-posts? I said we'd look at each category and establish whether my assertion that Muslims paid higher taxes was right or wrong. I was to quote from historians and scholars to back this comparison up. The long quote from T Arnold above even contains bits I've highlighted in red to ...

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A bump for the new year. Perhaps eh has a new year resolution to answer outstanding questions?

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You didn't clarify whether my modified wording for fact 5 is factual: 5. Israel in East Jerusalem is accused of discriminating against non-Israeli citizens by B'tselem etc, and does treat non-Israelis residents differently from Israeli residents. For fact 2: 2. Israel broke the truce and lied about ...

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In the run up to the Gaza bombings in 2008/9 a truce had been in effect in Gaza. It is now an established fact that Israel broke the truce on Nov 4 2008 (election day in the US) and then during the bombing of Gaza repeatedly blamed Hamas for breaking the truce by firing rockets into Israel. Ok, firs...

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5. Israel in East Jerusalem is accused of discriminating against non-Israeli citizens by B'tselem etc, and does treat non-Israelis residents differently from Israeli residents. Israel treat snon-Israelis differently than Israelis within the green line. In East Jersusalem, when it relates to issues ...

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The planning policy in East Jerusalem since its annexation in 1967 is affected by political considerations and infected by systematic discrimination against the Palestinians living there. Yes, I think it is wrong to say that East-Jeruslamites are discriminated against in matters that concern East-J...

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Sure, I condemn all terrorists of whatever nationality, religion or ethinicity - middle eastern (Israeli or Arab) terrorists who kill civilians by blowing them up or with guns and knives aren't any special. What this thread was asking though - was whether YOU joined me in condemning a Jewish Religio...

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God says quite clearly in the Quran that Ezra was considered a 'ben elohim' or 'son of God' by Jews - you haven't shown that this was not the case. You asked for a scholar who backs up this point, I quoted Newby. You've presented your interpretation of God's words and are somehow reading 'worship' i...

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Yes. Arnold, as quoted above. Sheesh, try and keep up. Arnold is quite clear - Zero jizya is less than Muslim taxes and military service, non-poor Muslims pay more tax than non-poor non-Muslims and the minimum rate a poor non-Muslim pays is equivalent to 12 chickens a year, (or around 36g of Silver)...

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Berrin, actually I think that most people just don't care any more. An article in Haaretz a few days ago stated that most in Israel have given up on the occupied territories a long time ago and don't really follow the news any more. The minority colonists who want to occupy Palestinian land have a d...

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Moral of the story - if you want to have 17 wives, set up your own rule book and get them to believe you are the saviour of the universe! But don't be stupid enough to invite a television crew to make series about your living arrangements! :shock: Israeli living with 17 women arrested for enslavemen...

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As we both agree that Israel is an occupying power (and this is clearly what the UN and ICC state), then we are left with the only distinction being whether the occupation is legal or not. I don't recall ever questioning whether the occupation is legal - that is moot, Israel's occupation is a fact. ...

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Israel is clearly an occupying power - it fought a war in 1967 and occupied territory that did not prior to the war belong to Israel. UN resolution 242 emphasises that it is illegal to gain territory by war, and countless other resolutions have repeated this. That said, the point was whether interna...

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:lol: Nice one - I had to check whether it was April 1. Anyway, it gives me the opportunity to write another obvious fact - Israel captured land in 1967 that did not belong to Israel, and according to international law is occupying that land and breaks the law if it builds permanent colonies or anne...

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So now we're resorting to trawling the web for 4 year old puerile items (not even from a news site) - well, at least that is in line with the other childish posts

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Have you checked out the wikipedia page - there are numerous experts who reject the claim that the Jews took Ezra as the son of God (as the Koran claims)? Good attempt at deflection - I was asking whether you would look up the verses from the Talmud in relation to your second allegation or whether ...

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I edited the previous post as you were posting yours... you may want to just re-read the added comments (regarding evolution of man, language etc) This is a side issue for me as well - and I agree, it is one that can be tested as a theory but can't be definitively 'proved'. I do find the tree of lan...

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