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this appeared like a day after it was supposed to post...

freza

what's up, have you been doing some self-reflecting? :) where is this extract from? it's mostly nice but if it's really about humility shouldn't it focus more on acknowledging ones own limitations and being open to the thoughts of others, as opposed to having the mindset that only others can learn f...

freza

when I said that I don't think that the Lord should be feared it was - my personal thoughts on this subject. But you always need to bring up the Bible, man :roll: When are you going to bring up the Torah? You need to give the Bible a rest already. Anyway, no need to point out what is in the Bible, G...

freza

Look, all prophets have been accused of un-prophetlike behaviour. Jesus, for example, has been accused of cursing a fig tree for not having fruit, despite it not being fig season! That is un-prophetlike behaviour - and as Muslims we do not agree that a prophet of God would curse a tree in that way ...

freza

nismo,

it's cool that you disagree with Habib and all that, but if you can't find words in your vocabulary to express your disagreement except to use school boy cuss words then surely this isn't the place for you.

freza

As I have stated before in this thread, the only thing we have in common with the Shi'ites are words & phrases per say, not their meanings and context. To illustrate, the Qur'an says: This Book , there is no doubt in it, is a guide to those who guard (against evil). [2:2] What I, and anyone wit...

freza

Nucleus, thanks for sharing those quotes with us. To be honest, the only reference to be humble that I personally extract from the quotes is number 18. I like number 19 too, nismo should become familiar with it. number 15 is very interesting, can you further explain it? Shafique, you didn't cause me...

freza

Interesting to note that the Quran is sometimes criticised for saying slaves should be treated well, whereas we find that in previous scriptures slaves and servants are told to be submissive to their Masters. I don't find it odd that Christian slave-masters are told to be kind to their slaves, but ...

freza

where do you live now?

that new url might give you more leads from the look of things here...

(how does it feel to have a dude being so obsessed with you? yuck, i know. and he's so obvious, constantly bugging you...get it? bug. anyway, out of here)

freza

why are they fiercely pro-American, again?

freza

Jesus didn't condemn slavery because he knew that the ultimate and last prophet would.

oh wait...

freza

Shafique, we have been thru this before. I know your memory fails you sometimes, but we have. Slavery has different meanings in the Bible, after all, it's a book written over many years, generations, societies and geographic locations. Slavery has been used in the Bible to mean a good thing: being a...

freza

yes I knew you quoted from bible.org because I looked it up :-) Re: Romans 13:1-7 Before jumping into conclusion and taking things out of context, you should have figured out who Paul was writing this letter to and most importantly why? (hint: to save their hides). you do understand that the word sl...

freza

^
I'm referring to Martin Luther King Jr. the civil rights leader.

freza

FD,
aha, got it.

freza

My view is that there is a world of difference between slaves as a result of a war vs going to war for slaves. oh! what about buying slaves? didn't Mohammad and his followers trade in slavery? it's considered ok to you? didn't he have s.ex with slaves, without marrying them? What is striking, for m...

freza

I think you're confusing faiths! It's Islam who is into predestination, not Christianity Freza, predestination is the core of Prostestants believes. are you talking about unconditional election? if so, I would have to disagree, I don't think all Protestant groups are into unconditional election! Bu...

freza

I know of buying slaves to set them free, but am not aware of Muhammad, pbuh, trading slaves. I may have missed references to this - but if you can point me to some sources (I think Bernard Lewis may make this point - but I'm interested in hearing your source). And no, s.ex slaves are not allowed. ...

freza

I'll take that to mean 'I don't have a source'. well...actually I do. I can look up some info from the expert scholar historian al-Tabari. But a friend sent me the following quotes which I will share with you: Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziya, a great Islamic scholar and historian says (part 1, p160): " ...

freza

Shafique, I'm so surprised that you don't know nearly enough of this slavery issue and Mohammad, I'm shocked actually. :-) so once you confirmed that al-Tobari states that Mohammad treated some of his slaves badly, what excuse for him do you think we should discuss? maybe there's something in a Hadi...

freza

hhmm I didn't hear the answer to the Q: who is more of a brother: a Hebrew to a Hebrew or a Hebrew to an Arab? interpretation...l o g i c. you have mentioned the word "brethren" before, to explain how Mohammad was the successor of Moses. so I don't see how this can't be easily deduced and ...

freza

what's the name of the program? There are some Christians that take this story literally but I would say that most modern Christian scholar's view of Cain and Abel (and Adam and Eve) is that these characters belong to a mythological story, a creation myth to be precise. Now in this context mythology...

freza

nucleus, follow the other forum for more info. but I don't see a point in asking questions if you're refusing to acknowledge the answers. rudeboy, same to you but just to let you know, I only quoted wikipedia because Shafique quoted from it first and I did so to imply that if he's going to quote fro...

freza

i dont know the name of the program it was on UK Discovery Science. If it on again i will note it. The program made suggestions that the "mark" was infact the colour black as in negro black skin. I've heard of this theory before but really it wouldn't make sense for God to "mark"...

freza

jabba, While I partially agree with some of the things you say about this issue I feel that I need to clear something up about your Bible quote. First of all, you're quoting for the Old Testament, which was written thousands of years ago and remember, Christianity is not the Old Testament, the OT is...

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