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Arabization of Syria

Postby Flying Dutchman » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:08 pm

Kurds are the largest non-Arab ethnic minority in Syria, comprising about 8.5 to 10 percent of the population of 13.8 million. This report documents the situation of stateless Syrian-born Kurds -- 142,465 by the government's count, and well over 200,000 according to Kurdish sources -- who have been arbitrarily denied the right to Syrian nationality in violation of international law.

In 1962, an exceptional census stripped some 120,000 Syrian Kurds --20 percent of the Syrian Kurdish population -- of their Syrian citizenship. They were left stateless.

The census was one component of a comprehensive plan to Arabize the resources-rich northeast of Syria, an area with the largest concentration of non-Arabs in the country.

International human rights law provides ethnic, religious and linguistic minorities in every country the right to equal protection of the law without discrimination, and the right to enjoy their own culture, to profess and practice their own religion, or to use their own language. Syrian authorities violate these international standards with impunity through the use of discriminatory laws, decrees and directives that are applied only to the Kurdish minority.

Suppression of the ethnic identity of Kurds by Syrian authorities has taken many forms. Restrictions have included: various bans on the use of the Kurdish language; refusal to register children with Kurdish names; replacement of Kurdish place names with new names in Arabic; prohibition of businesses that do not have Arabic names; not permitting Kurdish private schools; and the prohibition of books and other materials written in Kurdish.


http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/1996/Syria.htm

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Re: Arabization of Syria

Postby event horizon » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:22 pm

So Syria has suddenly decided to erase the historical and cultural roots of some of its ethnic minorities.

This must be a recent decision, otherwise I find it hard to imagine why there is so little talk/outrage/indignation/finger waving/posturing/protests and mindless ranting against these blatantly racist laws.

Oh, the article said Syria. Never mind then.
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Re: Arabization of Syria

Postby event horizon » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:34 pm

Suppression of the ethnic identity of Arabs by Israeli authorities has taken many forms. Restrictions have included: various bans on the use of the Arabic language; refusal to register children with Arabic names; replacement of Arabic place names with new names in Hebrew; prohibition of businesses that do not have Hebrew names; not permitting Arab private schools; and the prohibition of books and other materials written in Arabic.


fixed it for ya.

I now completely condemn the racist laws that seek to 'Hebrewize' Israel's Arab population. This is a symptom of the colonialist mindset first introduced into the Middle East since the Crusaders - when they sought to take over the Muslim world.

I only hope the BBC does a trillion stories on this.
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Re: Arabization of Syria

Postby symmetric » Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:07 pm

This world is just a mess ..

Ironically, Syria itself is of a non-Arabian background (except for the Syrian dessert that was inhabited with the Ghassani Arabs). Infact, it has been Arabized when the Aramaens/Syriacs gave up their own identity (be it by force or choice) and became Arabophonic with the arrival of Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula to Damascus during the Islamic conquest.

Syria's natives (Aramaens/Syriacs) are Semites, but not part of the Arabian stock. The difference between the two nations is identical to same differences between proper Arabs of the Arabian peninsula and the Sephardic Jews.

What's even more interesting is that Arabs in the Arabian Peninsula region even don't really consider Syrians/Lebanese/Palestineans to be from the proper Arabian stock, for their different backgrounds that was also mixed with the following nations in order, the Romans, Greeks, Persians, Kurds, and heavily later by the Turks. However, everyone is free to be whatever he or she or even it want to be.

Why not give the Kurds a piece of the cake? So all nations in the middle east got their portion, except for the Kurds. I think that's totally unfair. Poor Kurds have also faced horrible treatment & Arabizing process by Baathist Arabs in Iraq.

Any volunteers want to help form a proper Kurdistan :?:
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Re: Arabization of Syria

Postby shafique » Sun Feb 07, 2010 3:18 am

event horizon wrote:So Syria has suddenly decided to erase the historical and cultural roots of some of its ethnic minorities.

This must be a recent decision, otherwise .....


Another epic fail on your part eh. Did you not notice that the FD was referring to incidents that took place last century! (Well, to be fair in the hrw report he quotes is from 1996) ;)

There are more recent attacks on Kurds by Iraq and Turkey. But I'm a bit puzzled why you think that what Syria did in the 1960s (before Israel occupied the Golan, West Bank, Gaza) would be 'suddenly decided' ?

On the oppression of the Kurds, I have to say that I have a good track record on this - I was speaking out against this before it became fashionable to back the Kurds. I was aware of Saddam gassing Kurds when he was still a friend of the west.

I've also spoken out against the oppression and killing of Kurds by the Turkish army. There the West turns a blind eye - with Nato planes even leaving the 'no fly zone' to allow Turkish planes to come in and bomb areas. Despite this, the Kurds are still pretty strong and established in northern Iraq, but not in southern Turkey.

The third main area of the Kurds is in Syria. And yes, there too they have been oppressed.

Ultimately, the blame lies with the powers that deliberately split the Kurdish majority area into three countries and didn't give the Kurds their homeland. This was not the Muslim's doing! ;

If it was up to me, I'd give the Kurds their homeland. However everyone is tasty-scared of the Kurds becoming a political force again - and being in charge of the oil/gas rich region of Kurdistan. If I remember correctly, they are the one group of people that Alexander the Great failed to conquer, and the colonial powers recognised that that it would be better to divide and rule than to respect the demographics on the ground and give them their sovereign country.

So, FD/Eh - do you agree with me that Turkey, Iraq and Syria should all let the Kurds have their homeland - or were you expecting me to not criticise Muslim nations for their injustices against minorities?

I can see the parallel with Israel's injustices - but it's not quite the same is it? Israel is breaking international laws by building on the 22% of the land that was occupied in 1967 and trying to keep it despite clear laws which say land cannot be acquired by force. Palestinians were allocated 45% of the land by the UN and they are willing to settle for 22% - but the Kurds never had the UN declare them a state.

That said, kudos for bringing up the plight of the kurds (even if it is from a 14 year old report) - and I am all for highlighting the plight of oppressed minorities/occupied people - be they Kurds or Palestinian or, for that matter, East Timoreans (the latter having finally got some justice)


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Re: Arabization of Syria

Postby event horizon » Sun Feb 07, 2010 7:51 am

Oh dear, I see shafique's reading comprehension problems covers satire as well.
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Re: Arabization of Syria

Postby shafique » Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:10 am

What's the matter eh - was FD's post too long for you, or did my one use too many long words? :)

Or is it that you didn't expect us all to notice that this was a 14 year old report? (but perhaps you weren't aware of that fact?) ;)

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Re: Arabization of Syria

Postby event horizon » Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:35 am

So Syria has suddenly decided to erase the historical and cultural roots of some of its ethnic minorities.

This must be a recent decision, otherwise I find it hard to imagine why there is so little talk/outrage/indignation/finger waving/posturing/protests and mindless ranting against these blatantly racist laws.

Oh, the article said Syria. Never mind then.


I couldn't fool you. Other people (with grey matter) probably thought I was being sarcastic when I said these laws must have been recent - by pointing out the lack of genuine concern for the Kurds by their Muslim 'brethren'.

You so smart. Tell me what elementary school you graduated from, and I'll write a letter of praise to the principal. I'll tell him to put you in the 'challenged' classes.
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Re: Arabization of Syria

Postby shafique » Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:07 pm

More ad hominem attacks I see.

I just made it clear in my post that there is indeed support for Kurds amongst their Muslim brethren - however I also pointed out that their homeland was carved up by non-Muslims and the attacks against them have historically been condoned by the West - just take the Turk's attacks against the Kurds as the most recent examples.

I invited you to join me in supporting their desire for national independence (something that sympatetic also says would be a good idea) - or did you not think that Muslims will object when minorities are oppressed. Perhaps you thought we only criticise Israel for its crimes?

I've started threads about Turkish refusal to accept the Armenian genocide and I have spoken about Indonesia's oppression in East Timor (supported by Australia).

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Re: Arabization of Syria

Postby Flying Dutchman » Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:12 pm

event horizon wrote:So Syria has suddenly decided to erase the historical and cultural roots of some of its ethnic minorities.

This must be a recent decision, otherwise I find it hard to imagine why there is so little talk/outrage/indignation/finger waving/posturing/protests and mindless ranting against these blatantly racist laws.

Oh, the article said Syria. Never mind then.


event horizon wrote:
Suppression of the ethnic identity of Arabs by Israeli authorities has taken many forms. Restrictions have included: various bans on the use of the Arabic language; refusal to register children with Arabic names; replacement of Arabic place names with new names in Hebrew; prohibition of businesses that do not have Hebrew names; not permitting Arab private schools; and the prohibition of books and other materials written in Arabic.


fixed it for ya.

I now completely condemn the racist laws that seek to 'Hebrewize' Israel's Arab population. This is a symptom of the colonialist mindset first introduced into the Middle East since the Crusaders - when they sought to take over the Muslim world.

I only hope the BBC does a trillion stories on this.



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Re: Arabization of Syria

Postby Flying Dutchman » Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:14 pm

shafique wrote:Another epic fail on your part eh. Did you not notice that the FD was referring to incidents that took place last century! (Well, to be fair in the hrw report he quotes is from 1996) ;)


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Re: Arabization of Syria

Postby event horizon » Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:18 pm

^^^Sometimes I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone.
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Re: Arabization of Syria

Postby shafique » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:31 am

I'm convinced you are in the Twilight zone! :)

But seriously - FD and you are implying that Muslims and the press at the time these events occured and the report was published 14 years ago did not speak out against the injustices to the Kurds.

I'm telling you that many did, and that the injustices were actually condoned by governments friendly with Turkey and Iraq when they attacked the Kurds living in their lands (more recently than the events in Syria).

If you are making a general point that we should support all oppressed minorities or those seeking freedom from occupiers - then I'm with you.

However, I suspect that the only reason FD dug out a 14 year old report was to somehow try and deflect attention away from Israeli current-day injustices.

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Re: Arabization of Syria

Postby event horizon » Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:48 am

My bad - I guess I was under the mistaken impression that these racist laws are still in effect. Which would explain the reason why I've never heard any Muslim denunciation of these racist laws until now.
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Re: Arabization of Syria

Postby Flying Dutchman » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:03 am

event horizon wrote:My bad - I guess I was under the mistaken impression that these racist laws are still in effect. Which would explain the reason why I've never heard any Muslim denunciation of these racist laws until now.


Perhaps, after all its a 14y old report. Those Kurds probably got their citizenship back and can use their language freely. If not, blame it on the Crusaders or the apes and the pigs.
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