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Shocking stuff. Thankfully, not everyone takes a literal interpretation of the texts and teachings she used to determine that non-believing women prisoners should still be used as s.e.x slaves for believing men.

In this case, she wants non-believing women prisoners used as s.e.x slaves to prevent men from committing adultery.

A woman politician from Kuwait has sparked anger and disbelief by calling for legalization of sex slaves, saying it would protect men from adultery, and suggesting that female prisoners from war-torn countries should be purchased for the same, as it would be a "better life" for them, and they would not die of starvation.

Salwa al Mutairi, who once ran for parliament, argued buying a sex slave would protect decent, devout and ''virile'' Kuwaiti men from adultery or being seduced by other women''s beauty because an imported sex partner would be tantamount to marriage, reports the Daily Mail.

"There was no shame in it and it is not haram'' (forbidden) under Islamic Sharia law," Mutairi claimed.

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Mutairi said that during a recent visit to Mecca, she asked Saudi muftis - Muslim religious scholars - what the Islamic ruling was on owning sex slaves. They are said to have told her that it is not haram.

The ruling was confirmed by ''specialized people of the faith'' in Kuwait, she claimed.

In an attempt to consider the woman''s feelings in the arrangement, Mutari conceded that the enslaved women, however, should be at least 15.


http://www.mid-day.com/news/2011/jun/08 ... tician.htm

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Awesome ! Does that mean I can now go visit the slammer and pick one up :D
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desertdudeshj wrote:Awesome ! Does that mean I can now go visit the slammer and pick one up :D


Lets hope your wife isn't captured.
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Totally sick and disg.usting
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If your country has oil, you can get away with a lot.
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Canada has huge reserves, doesn't seems to be getting away with anything :D
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desertdudeshj wrote:Canada has huge reserves, doesn't seems to be getting away with anything :D

Certainly not without a visa into the UAE!

Memo to the Canadians. Don't p*ss the Emiratis off :D
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Re: Female Kuwaiti PM wants women as s.ex slaves Jun 09, 2011
Why doesn't she volunteer first?

And also Saudi Scholars don't know sh!t about Islam. They are too busy following their barbaric traditions.
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Re: Female Kuwaiti PM wants women as s.ex slaves Jun 09, 2011
Does not the quran promise s.ex slaves in heaven to mooslims
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Nope sorry! There is no verse in Qur'an which says that it's okay to have s.ex slaves. Also the whole 72 virgin is nothing more than B.S created by Wahhabis. Also there is no such as Islamic clothing and wearing a veil is not required in Islam.

The problem with most Muslims who believe all this, is rather than reading and understanding the verses of Qur'an themselves, they go to some shitty Saudi Scholars (who know more about Saudi customs and traditions than Islam) or other Scholars who have been taught by Saudi Scholars.

Lot of Muslims are unaware that the Saudi Government have destroyed many historical sites and structures relating to Islam. And they are even bent on destroying Prophet Muhammed's Home.

Check out below for biggest misconceptions about Islam,
http://www.cracked.com/article_18911_5-ridiculous-things-you-probably-believe-about-islam.html
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Sounds like everyone from all religions have an equally tricky time interpreting and following their religions "correctly". One more point for atheism :)
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One of the most interesting people I met in Dubai is a Muslima claiming the Quran only forbids drinking spirits and not alcohol.
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Here is one Saudi cleric's explanation of have slave girls.

Note that he quotes Muslim holy texts and medieval scholars - so, it is a bit wrong to push this off on the 'Wahhabis' when Muslims before them allowed Muslims to have slave girls:

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/10382

Note the Koran does seem to explicitly allow contact between Muslim men and slave girls in this verse:

Koran 70:29-31 - “And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.
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Flying Dutchman wrote:One of the most interesting people I met in Dubai is a Muslima claiming the Quran only forbids drinking spirits and not alcohol.


Very interesting FD. Muslims are fasinating aren't they?
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Khalid021 wrote:Nope sorry! There is no verse in Qur'an which says that it's okay to have s.ex slaves. Also the whole 72 virgin is nothing more than B.S created by Wahhabis. Also there is no such as Islamic clothing and wearing a veil is not required in Islam.

The problem with most Muslims who believe all this, is rather than reading and understanding the verses of Qur'an themselves, they go to some shitty Saudi Scholars (who know more about Saudi customs and traditions than Islam) or other Scholars who have been taught by Saudi Scholars.

Lot of Muslims are unaware that the Saudi Government have destroyed many historical sites and structures relating to Islam. And they are even bent on destroying Prophet Muhammed's Home.

Check out below for biggest misconceptions about Islam,
http://www.cracked.com/article_18911_5-ridiculous-things-you-probably-believe-about-islam.html


It is pretty clear to me that quran promises virgins to men.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins
it even comes with a description, "round breasts", "apetizing va@inas".
Whatever women you think you ll get in heaven , for sure it is not heaven for them.
What a sick religion for sick people.
What amuses me, is that in the end what ever you do is for nothing because there is no such a thing as god, allah or vishnou.
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herve wrote:
Khalid021 wrote:Nope sorry! There is no verse in Qur'an which says that it's okay to have s.ex slaves. Also the whole 72 virgin is nothing more than B.S created by Wahhabis. Also there is no such as Islamic clothing and wearing a veil is not required in Islam.

The problem with most Muslims who believe all this, is rather than reading and understanding the verses of Qur'an themselves, they go to some shitty Saudi Scholars (who know more about Saudi customs and traditions than Islam) or other Scholars who have been taught by Saudi Scholars.

Lot of Muslims are unaware that the Saudi Government have destroyed many historical sites and structures relating to Islam. And they are even bent on destroying Prophet Muhammed's Home.

Check out below for biggest misconceptions about Islam,
http://www.cracked.com/article_18911_5-ridiculous-things-you-probably-believe-about-islam.html


It is pretty clear to me that quran promises virgins to men.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins
it even comes with a description, "round breasts", "apetizing va@inas".
Whatever women you think you ll get in heaven , for sure it is not heaven for them.
What a sick religion for sick people.
What amuses me, is that in the end what ever you do is for nothing because there is no such a thing as god, allah or vishnou.


so if there is no god, who do you thing made you ? a bad french engineer ? LOOOOL
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Well, actually no. The word 'hur’ain' in Qur'an actually means Angels, not virgins.

Look, even if there were no religions in the world, we would still be busy cutting each others throat. We humans just need excuses to kill each other.
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^err, I don't think it refers to angels, but rather 'pure companions'.. .and the 72 virgins thing is not in the Quran. Hazelton summed it up nicely in the following (well worth another listen):

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This is from Herve's link:

"The houris are only servants and not for sexual purposes"

If that was true, Qur'an 56:36[20] wouldn't say they are virgins and it wouldn't mention they have big breasts. In addition, while the Qur'an does not explicitly say they're for sexual purposes, other Islamic sources mention that. One hadith says "The believer will be given such and such strength in Paradise for sexual intercourse". Other sources state that "the penis of the Elected never softens" and that men in heaven will have the sexual strength of 100 men. [30] See Sexuality in Paradise for more quotes about the sexual aspects of Islamic heaven.
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uaekid wrote:
so if there is no god, who do you thing made you ? a bad french engineer ? LOOOOL

what made us is called EVOLUTION kid, evolution, not a myth...
and by the way French engineers are among the best in the world kid. Tell me about UAE engineers so we can have a good laugh. I would not trust one to replace a light bulb. :lol:

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event horizon wrote:This is from Herve's link:

"The houris are only servants and not for sexual purposes"

If that was true, Qur'an 56:36[20] wouldn't say they are virgins and it wouldn't mention they have big breasts. In addition, while the Qur'an does not explicitly say they're for sexual purposes, other Islamic sources mention that. One hadith says "The believer will be given such and such strength in Paradise for sexual intercourse". Other sources state that "the penis of the Elected never softens" and that men in heaven will have the sexual strength of 100 men. [30] See Sexuality in Paradise for more quotes about the sexual aspects of Islamic heaven.

The se$ual obsessions of mooslims is all over in their book AND in their behavior, they support it among themselves but they deny it in front of us and then they try to lecture us on our own behavior as if we were bad, their hypocrisy is only matched by their depravity.
72 se$ slaves is actually not enough for them, when I was in Dubai, the emirati's I met in the privacy of their homes scored 1 or 2 different hookers EVERY single day, we are talking 300 se$ slaves per year here, minimum, far more than the 72 promised for an "eternal" haeven.
Not only their religion is a sick cult, but it does not even make sense
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Don't many rich and powerful men get busted for their hypocrisy and s.exual depravity? All that money and power corrupts, and it has little to nothing to do with the religion.

Herve, I know you had a rough time in Dubai, but you come off as extremely bitter and hateful.
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kanelli wrote:Don't many rich and powerful men get busted for their hypocrisy and s.exual depravity? All that money and power corrupts, and it has little to nothing to do with the religion.

Herve, I know you had a rough time in Dubai, but you come off as extremely bitter and hateful.


Yes Kanelli, the difference is that when those rich guys get busted in the free world they go down, whoever they are, congressman, business man, celebrity or the blue colar guy. In the middle east, they get away with it.
I was in the inner cirlce of the most powerful emiratis, not you, I know what I saw, I know what they are, and I stand by it.
Do you know how they named women in the privacy of their palaces? : flowers, they were talking about ordering women like flowers, every time I was there, would you want to be their flower for one night kanellli, how would that make you feel to be treated like a commodity, or you can it $ex slave
Your world and your religion are appalling Kanelli, keep them for yourself.
Again a good one: last week a filipina was arrested because she helped a friend give birth to her baby, an out of wedlock baby, it is illegal in the UAE to have a baby when you are not married, you get 1 year jail for that, but that does not apply for for shk mohammed of course who fathered many children with women who were not his wives, does not matter, the arab law is for the cattle which includes you and me, the difference is that I knew it, you don't.
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herve wrote:Your world and your religion are appalling Kanelli, keep them for yourself.


So K is now an Arab and Muslim ! LOOOOOOL !
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Yes, I'm an anti-Semite Arab Muslim, didn't you know? :D
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You meant to say anti semite jewish arab muslim male chauvnistic atheist woman
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event horizon wrote:Shocking stuff. Thankfully, not everyone takes a literal interpretation of the texts and teachings she used to determine that non-believing women prisoners should still be used as s.e.x slaves for believing men.

In this case, she wants non-believing women prisoners used as s.e.x slaves to prevent men from committing adultery.

A woman politician from Kuwait has sparked anger and disbelief by calling for legalization of love slaves, saying it would protect men from adultery, and suggesting that female prisoners from war-torn countries should be purchased for the same, as it would be a "better life" for them, and they would not die of starvation.

Salwa al Mutairi, who once ran for parliament, argued buying a love slave would protect decent, devout and ''virile'' Kuwaiti men from adultery or being seduced by other women''s beauty because an imported love partner would be tantamount to marriage, reports the Daily Mail.

"There was no shame in it and it is not haram'' (forbidden) under Islamic Sharia law," Mutairi claimed.

....

Mutairi said that during a recent visit to Mecca, she asked Saudi muftis - Muslim religious scholars - what the Islamic ruling was on owning love slaves. They are said to have told her that it is not haram.

The ruling was confirmed by ''specialized people of the faith'' in Kuwait, she claimed.

In an attempt to consider the woman''s feelings in the arrangement, Mutari conceded that the enslaved women, however, should be at least 15.


http://www.mid-day.com/news/2011/jun/08 ... tician.htm



Hell, this remainds me the previous se.xist sarcastic fatwas coming from Al-Azhar such as this...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6681511.stm

All said to draw attention to the cultural problems in muslim countries in modernity, mainly to male bigotry due to increasing wealth where there is no real faith or self-discipline..
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I don't see anything s.exist to this ruling. Islam recognizes different gender roles for men and women - women, for instance, are not allowed to marry more than one man where men may have several wives - and even 'what the right hand possesses' on the side.

It's the logic behind this that proves that the sharia is the correct alternative for replacing man made customs.
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your knowledge of islam seems to be the one addressed from mouth to mouth and ear to ear..You wanna study some islam? 8)
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Berrin wrote:your knowledge of islam seems to be the one addressed from mouth to mouth and ear to ear..You wanna study some islam? 8)


We have seen enough of your studies!
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sure you want more?
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Berrin wrote:sure you want more?


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LOL. I am getting fat and fleshy by the hour..Looking pretty tasty and yummy..How much would you pay for a pound of me?
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Berrin wrote:LOL. I am getting fat and fleshy by the hour..Looking pretty tasty and yummy..How much would you pay for a pound of me?


I just nearly brought my dinner back :shock:
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obviously it wasn't pig me..LOL..
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Berrin wrote:obviously it wasn't pig me..LOL..


No it was pea and ham soup.
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yet islam is the fastest in terms of growing and spreading regardless of how little, typical and inaacurate your escuses are.
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general_A wrote:yet islam is the fastest in terms of growing and spreading regardless of how little, typical and inaacurate your escuses are.


Do you think one of the ways allowing for continuous growth in Islam is to allow the legislation the lady is trying to implement?
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general_A wrote:yet islam is the fastest in terms of growing and spreading regardless of how little, typical and inaacurate your escuses are.


Do you think one of the ways allowing for continuous growth in Islam is to allow the legislation the lady is trying to implement?


islam has been growing before that lady was even born, so no, she is full of crap. people who embrace islam do so because they took the time to learn (from reliable sources) about the good things islam has to offer, thats what allows the growth of islam.
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I thought Islam is growing via high fertility rates.

Is there another significant cause for Islam's growth - and what did that lady say that made her full of crap?

All I heard from her was pure Islam.
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^^^
Trolling, he's doing it right.
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event horizon wrote:I thought Islam is growing via high fertility rates.

Is there another significant cause for Islam's growth - and what did that lady say that made her full of crap?

All I heard from her was pure Islam.


growth in terms of people embracing it, and how did u come to the conclusion that what she said was pure islam? if it is, then why has it not been implemented in every muslim nation? this woman spoke her mind, she doesnt speak for islam.
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growth in terms of people embracing it


From my research, the number of people embracing Islam is overall very small compared to Islam's total rate of growth. The vast majority of new Muslims are being born rather than converting.

how did u come to the conclusion that what she said was pure islam?


I read her comments and agreed with her that Islamic Law allows for Muslim men to have 'what the right hand possesses' on the side. She even consulted Islamic scholars and they confirmed that her intentions were compatible with her religion.

In Islam, non-Muslim women in dar al-harb (house of war) can be taken as captives and distributed in Muslim lands.

why has it not been implemented in every muslim nation?


Now, I could ask the same why hand chopping or polygamy isn't implemented in every Muslim country.

Is the fact that most Muslim countries do not hand chop thieves proof that hand chopping is not part of Islam?
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From my research, the number of people embracing Islam is overall very small compared to Islam's total rate of growth. The vast majority of new Muslims are being born rather than converting.


ofcourse it would be small compared to the people born muslim, there are many muslims already.



I read her comments and agreed with her that Islamic Law allows for Muslim men to have 'what the right hand possesses' on the side. She even consulted Islamic scholars and they confirmed that her intentions were compatible with her religion.

In Islam, non-Muslim women in dar al-harb (house of war) can be taken as captives and distributed in Muslim lands.


see now theres the difference, captives as in spoils of war or something like that (like when every other nation in the past did in wars), thats what she was told, and its true, and not only do they have to be non Muslim, they have to be of no religion, but she had a completely different view, she suggested opening offices to import women as sex slaves. that made many Muslims angry for a reason. right? i'm sure you might agree with me on that.



Now, I could ask the same why hand chopping or polygamy isn't implemented in every Muslim country.

Is the fact that most Muslim countries do not hand chop thieves proof that hand chopping is not part of Islam?


death penalty isn't being implemented in many Muslim countries either when one is found guilty for murder, but it is part of Islam. many considerations are being taken when one is charged with murder and other crimes now a days. plus there are rules also before chopping a thieves hand off, he should be caught red handed and witnessed by 4 men. that was just a clarification.

you could come to many clear answers if you searched really reliable sources and not just listen to what you only want to hear, you wont even get them from me, i know i'm not a perfect Muslim nor am i very knowledgeable to a very high extent. it really is your choice if you want to believe only what you hear, but you will only end up with false and fabricated information about the religion. you did some research before, you can do more, i can only hope you do in the right sense.
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general - just for your information, the most extreme religious fanatic posting on this forum has also been exposed as an Islamophobic troll who believes pseudo-scholars such as Bob Spencer (of Jihadwatch) and considers Memri's misinformation to be true and even quotes 'Elder of Zyion' with a straight face! :shock:


Who is the most extreme religious fanatic poster of DF? Well, we have a thread for that:
philosophy-dubai/most-extreme-religous-fanatic-here-t41961.html

Note that the extremism is measured in the acts of cruelty that the poster refuses to condemn.

And in case you didn't know about the young extremist's 'guru' - here's a thread about Bob Spencer:
dubai-politics-talk/spencer-still-avoiding-debate-t43885.html

But hey, don't let me stop you having some fun exposing his Islamophobic arguments .. but just don't expect to have a rational debate with him.

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I don't know what's un-Islamic about having offices in the Muslim world to import female captives.

This was done for centuries and was approved of by the religious establishment then, so why would this be any different now?

shafique wrote:considers Memri's misinformation to be true


May I suggest you offer an alternative organization run by Muslims which tracks hate speech in the Muslim world?

No? Didn't think so.
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well, since i've come to the coclusion that you choose to fill your head up with all the false info, while the truth is out there, then i dont see why i should even bother with you sir. i can honestly say: i tried.

@shafique, now i understand what you are telling me. thanks for the tip
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You're a quick learner General. Leave the troll to his trolling, he's not looking for answers or discussion.
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So no alternative to Memri, then ? :D

Just find it strange to learn that what the lady promoted is 'un-Islamic' if what she is advocating was the norm in that part of the world for centuries - she even mentions a caliph who had a large harem of women.

Recent interview with Kuwaiti lady:



[...] I was given the opportunity to visit Mecca, and when I did so, I brought up (this man's) situation to the muftis in Mecca. I told them that I had a question, since they were men who specialized in what was halal, and what was good, and who loved women. I said, "What is the law of se.x slaves?"
The mufti said, "With the law of se.x slaves, there must be a Muslim nation at war with a Christian nation, or a nation which is not of the religion, not of the religion of Islam. And there must be prisoners of war."

"Is this forbidden by Islam?," I asked.

"Absolutely not. Se.x slaves are not forbidden by Islam. On the contrary, s.ex slaves are under a different law than the free woman. The free woman must be completely covered except for her face and hands. But the s.ex slave can be naked from the waist up. She differs a lot from the free woman. While the free woman requires a marriage contract, the s.ex slave does not--she only needs to be purchased by her husband, and that's it. Therefore the s.ex slave is different than the free woman."

Of course, I also asked religious experts in Kuwait (about this issue), and they told me about the problem with the passionate man, or even the man who is committed to his religion. For every good man in our religion, the only solution for him--when forbidden women come around, if he's tempted to sin, then the solution to this issue is for him to purchase s.ex slaves. I hope that Kuwait will enact the law for this category, this category of people--the sex slaves. [...]


http://www.translatingjihad.com/2011/06 ... -that.html
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Going back to the bible and pulling out how things were done during that time would also be ridiculous. In my opinion, religion and cultural practices are so intertwined that no one can down to the bottom of what God really wanted and what was actually being practiced in those times and what is practiced today. If God is still around and wants modern day humans to behave in a certain way and structure their societies in a certain way, he/she should get down here or send another prophet who writes a new religious text that is explicit. Why people have to rely on archaic texts written so ambiguously is beyond me. The fact that this hasn't happened is further proof that there is likely no God, or if there was, he/she is now gone.
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Re: Female Kuwaiti PM wants women as s.ex slaves Jun 23, 2011
I'm still trying to understand how this is 'un-Islamic'.

Some components of what the lady is advocating are even allowed in the Koran. I'm just wondering if it's one of those passages (like permanent home confinement for 'loose' women) that are ignored.
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