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http://www.themodernreligion.com/videoaudio.htm

Great link to videos for non mulsims. i do recommend Debate between prominent scholar Ahmed deedat "may god mercy be upon him" and Jimmy Swaggart. One of the heads of the church who converted after watching the video "a former Minister and elder of a Christian church, Kenneth L. Jenkins CONVERTED after watching this debate"

http://www.themodernreligion.com/convert/convert_KLJ.htm
Kenneth L. Jenkins
Former Minister and Elder of Church, Indiana USA

Peace

Here is one very good site: http://www.muslimheritage.com/

The King Fahd version is a scary piece of Saudi version of Islam propogation, i.e. Salafi propogation, by Dr. Mohsen Khan. If you can understand Arabic you can see how gross liberties are taken with translation asserted through loads of parenthetical comments. Though there are no problem free translations, Yusuf Ali is still probably the best.

A good website that gives ayaat in various translations is:

http://www.searchtruth.com/freecode.php

If you wanna know what I mean about Salafi parenthetical comments presented as real Quran in the Fahd approved Dr. Khan translation, look up how verse 24:31 (Annoor) is translated in Fahd and then look at it in Yusuf Ali and Shakir, for example.

Anyways, there are some really good books about Islam but non-Muslims as well as Muslims here in DXB have to weed through a lot of Daar-Us-Everthing is Haraam pseudo Islamic information pamphlets.

That leaves me with a question, what is a simple and good book about the basics of Islam that is not filled with all the weird stuff of some of these pamphlets available. Like, what would be one title to give a good introduction of Islam?

Intimacy, do you agree with luckybee? If yes, let's remove the link to the King Fahd Quran page.

The site is mildly skewed towards the Saudi version of Wahabi Islam endoresed by the Royal Family of the House of Saud.

Thant being said, most site that attempt to explain Islam and the Quran, even when their intentions are benign, tend to explain it (when we look into the obscure details or Hadiths of course) throigh their own point of view.

Such point of views can conflict with your own or another Muslims. The only way to fully understand the Quran is to pick up the basics from these sites and learn the Hadith's yourself. The ones from the Prophet are pure and from Ashab al Nabi are pure too. The others are open to contention.

Read them, look at the sites, and make your own judgement. That is the notion of self Jihad as prescribed by the Quran. The internal "battle" to determine the truth.

I have nothing against this site.

My God be with you all.

Why the King Fahd version is scary ? Concerning the translation's example done, can you put the verse in arabic (what Allah said) and the 2 translations and we'll see where is the problem.

al fransi: please follow the link I posted and choose any verse, for example, the verse I mentioned 24:31 and read

1. first the Arabic (if you understand Arabic) for God's word
2. Then the Dr. Khan translation
3. Then the other translations

u will see the bizarre liberties that have been taken with God's holy word.

for example: verse 24:31 says (sorry I can't paste it clearly, but look it up):



وَقُل لِّلْمُؤْمِنَاتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَارِهِنَّ وَيَحْفَظْنَ فُرُوجَهُنَّ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَى جُيُوبِهِنَّ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا لِبُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَائِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَاء بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَائِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَاء بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي أَخَوَاتِهِنَّ أَوْ نِسَائِهِنَّ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُنَّ أَوِ التَّابِعِينَ غَيْرِ أُوْلِي الْإِرْبَةِ مِنَ الرِّجَالِ أَوِ الطِّفْلِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يَظْهَرُوا عَلَى عَوْرَاتِ النِّسَاء وَلَا يَضْرِبْنَ بِأَرْجُلِهِنَّ لِيُعْلَمَ مَا يُخْفِينَ مِن زِينَتِهِنَّ وَتُوبُوا إِلَى اللَّهِ جَمِيعاً أَيُّهَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ



Dr. Khan translates this as meaning:

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands fathers, their sons, their husbands sons, their brothers or their brothers sons, or their sisters sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.

There is nothing about "palms of hands" or "only one eye to... see the way" in Arabic, juyoob does not mean "bodies, faces, necks, and bosoms", it means neck to chest area (bosom), khimaar means head cover, it does not mean gloves apron, etc. All of this stuff is added in as if this is Allah's word. It does NOT say these things in Arabic. This is not Allah's word, this is a Salafi understanding of how to dress modestly in Islam, i.e face must be covered, gloves should be worn, which it does not say here. Dr. Khan has ADDED these parenthetical comments to further the Saudi/Salafi view.

Here is the Yusuf Ali and you can see here how he has stayed as close as possible to the Arabic:

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.

I don't think Dr. Mohsen Khan or King Fahd or the scholar who approved the book (though he isn't fluent in English) Dr. Muhammad Taqi uddeen Al Hilali, have intentionally mistranslated to deceive people. But they have added their own interpretations, which happen to be very puritanical Salafi type interpretations directly INTO the Quranic text as if that is what Allah says. They are reinforcing their own Salafi interpretations by doing this though they may have the best of intentions. So for unfortunate people who don't know the difference, they think that the Quran really says what they say it does.

All Quranic-meaning books have problems because the Quran as a text is impossible to translate exactly. The best thing is to look at the Arabic and look at multiple translations, read tafseer, etc.

The King Fahd stuff scares me so I call it scary because I think their take on things is very extreme.

Please test a few of their translated Ayaat to see what I mean. Especially anything to do with women, non-Muslims, etc. you definately get the Salafi flavor tainting the meaning.

In true Sunna, a man should be covered from his belly button down to his knees.

A woman should be covered in a non-suggestive way around her torso, her arms to her wrists, and her legs till her ankles.

Her hair should not be displayed in a s.e.x.u.a.l manner so as to arouse (ie. there is no direct nontion to fully cover the hair of a woman). Modestly is key in Islam and vulgarity is out.

Like I said before, part of Jihad is to improve one's self and see the truth for one's self. No one can tell you what the truth is or how to think except the Quran that you read and of course, Allah.

Concerning the Coran, don't be afraid, it's my prefered book and as muslim, I read it every day. The Khan translation (translation of the coran meaning) is closer to the Coran, and what he wrote in brackets is commentaries (tafsir). 2 examples :
1
قُل لِّلْمُؤْمِنَاتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَارِهِنَّ

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (Khan)
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze (Yusuf Ali)
It's an order in the Coran, so "should" is not the good choice.

2
يَحْفَظْنَ فُرُوجَهُنَّ

protect their private parts (Khan)
guard their modesty (Yusuf Ali)
farj (singular of fourouj) in arabic is not modesty but private parts.

Sorry, I could explain that in arabic more clearly but I don't use to speak about Islam in English. And I'm french.

yes obviously i know the rules of hijab. my point is that Khan adds in parenthetical words which are not said in Arabic into the translation, furthering the salafi ijtihad about face veils and gloves as if that is what is meant in the Quran. That isn't even the majority opinion. Though I respect a person's right to hold that opinion, and I respect women who veil their faces and wear gloves, it is clearly deceptive to weave those words into the Quran as if Allah has said that when translating into English. The Khan version is FULL of that kind of thing. Based on the initial question about what to show people who want to know more about Islam, Muslim or non-Muslim, I would say completely avoid the King Fahd approved Khan version because it has these errors in translation. No tranlation is foolproof, but Yusuf Ali is better than the Khan version.

peace

Salam Aleykum brother,

Its all subject to opinion and interpretation. In transaltion many things are lost. The important part is that within you, you know who and what you are and what awaits you in life and death.

Allah is Great and He will show us the right path in due time.

Liban

But interpretation is important, because it is what divides people when it comes to god's word.

This discussion should remain in the thread, even though it breaks some thread rules. It is beneficial that people are aware of the translating differences and can choose the translated version of the Quran based on their own opinions about the translation quality and accuracy.

Hi,

I beleive that loving your next person is the greatest religion.

Difficult and a challenge all the time.

Regards
Madhav
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the definitive guide to questions and answers which covers the 4 Madhabs - www.sunnipath.com

These are few sites, that I hope will give you good information about Islam:

http://www.islamtoday.net/english/disco ... _cat_id=41

http://discover.islamway.com/

http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/archive/in ... &thelang=E

http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ln=eng

Salam alikm, i though it would be good idea to visit my link which has list of trusted links about Islam in 37 different languages, including Arabic and English

http://islamindex.5u.com/

AssalamuAlaikum

Brother and sister, I just had to share this news.

I've discovered what's possibly an amazing set of applications on the following website:

http://www.guidedways.com

I downloaded their Quran for Mobiles and it's fantastic, never seen anything like it. I can now read the translation while I recite!

Checkout their http://www.guidedways.com/prayertimes/salat_world.php praeyr times page and http://www.guidedways.com/search.php quran search pages.

Very impressive. I have honestly never seen such an amazing search engine for Quran. I think as muslims we lack such technological advancements and must collectively encourage and support people who have made such amazing stuff mashAllah.

Salam,
Muttaqoon

muttaqoon wrote:AssalamuAlaikum

Brother and sister, I just had to share this news.

I've discovered what's possibly an amazing set of applications on the following website:

http://www.guidedways.com

I downloaded their Quran for Mobiles and it's fantastic, never seen anything like it. I can now read the translation while I recite!

Checkout their http://www.guidedways.com/prayertimes/salat_world.php praeyr times page and http://www.guidedways.com/search.php quran search pages.

Very impressive. I have honestly never seen such an amazing search engine for Quran. I think as muslims we lack such technological advancements and must collectively encourage and support people who have made such amazing stuff mashAllah.

Salam,
Muttaqoon

thx this is useful site

Are books by Haykal good for me to learn about Islam?[/list]

An interesting website about reading Quran.

quranflash dot kom

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Jihad in Islamic History - Michael Bonner

Understanding Jihad - David Cook

Both books are introductory primers to the Muslim texts and teachings of Islam in regards to the Muslim concept of Jihad, or holy war. We learn from both these authors that Jihad is an early teaching dating to the time of the prophet Muhammad and confirmed in the pages of the Koran. Western Muslims have frequently spun the primary meaning of Jihad as an interior struggle. However, both authors show that Jihad's default meaning - in the Muslim world, today and throughout history - has been holy war. The holy war in Islam, as interpreted by Ismailis, all schools of Sunni jurisprudence and Kharijites, is to conquer non-Muslim lands and install an Islamic state where the people submit to the laws of Islam. Non-Muslims residing outside of Dar-al-harb (House of war) are given three choices; convert to Islam, retain their religion and live as second class citizens to foreign rulers, or take one's chances on the field of battle, where the ultimate stakes are death (execution) for all post-pubescent males and enslavement for the women and children. The holy warriors fighting non-Muslims throughout the world are the heirs of an unbroken chain of violent fanatics dating to the first Jihad in Islam under Muhammad.

Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah.

- Prophet Muhammad

Here's a link to a series of articles by Danios on Religious wars - addressing the Islamophobic myth about Islam's stance on Jihad.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/05/the-bi ... -infidels/

^ Interestingly, the article has nothing to do with Islam but rather is a poorly researched 'what-aboutery' proof-texting certain passages on the Bible.

You'd at least think Muslims would at least be willing to engage historical reality than wallow in fantasy.

I guess that's all 'moderates' are capable of, lashing out when they are angered at scholarly research into Islam.

Another book I'd like to recommend:

Jihad in the West: Muslim Conquests from the 7th to the 21st Centuries - Paul Fregosi

The author passed away months prior to 9/11 and published this book in 1993, I believe, but his insights into Islamic militancy are truly prophetic. This was an analyst who foresaw a confrontation between the West and militant Islam years before the embassy bombings, USS Cole and Palestinian suicide attacks. His book, as the title suggests, chronicles the Jihad from the very beginning, to the invasion of Spain and 8 century long occupation and subsequent reliberation, to the fall of Constantinople to the resistance of Turk invaders in the Balkans. The author pieced together the history of Islam and the existence of militant Islam in the present day to conclude the Western and Islamic world were headed for another collission course. Of course, the author was right. Let's hope others learn from what the author knew to prevent mistakes of the past.

http://www.islamhouse.com/s/9661

-- Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:55 pm --

http://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/chat.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ksjttt7m1hA - Islam: Inside The Koran (Quran) - National Geographic Channel

Addresses some questions the devil worshippers have

--- Jan 08, 2012 ---

- Decoding the past , Secrets of the Quran

Keep up the study, to prevent idiotic comments and topics in the Politics, Religion and Philosophy section , The bufoon has hopes out of his predicament