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Lars Vilks attacked by people shouting Jesus is great May 12, 2010
...Just kidding.

Just your friendly neighborhood Jihadist gangsters.

STOCKHOLM - A Swedish artist who angered Muslims by depicting the Prophet Muhammad as a dog was assaulted Tuesday as angry protesters interrupted his university lecture about the limits of artistic freedom.

Lars Vilks told The Associated Press a man in the front row ran up to him and head-butted him during the lecture, breaking his glasses but leaving him uninjured. It wasn't immediately clear what happened to the attacker.

A video clip of the incident on the website of a Swedish newspaper showed police using pepper spray and batons to hold off an angry crowd shouting "God is great" in Arabic after Vilks was escorted out of the lecture hall.

Vilks has faced numerous threats over his controversial drawing of Muhammad with a dog's body, but Tuesday's incident was the first time he has been physically assaulted.

Earlier this year U.S. investigators said Vilks was the target of an alleged murder plot involving Colleen LaRose, an American woman who dubbed herself "Jihad Jane," and who now faces life in prison. She had pleaded not guilty.

Vilks said a group of about 15 people had been shouting and trying to interrupt the lecture before the incident at Uppsala University.

Many of them stormed the front of the room after the attack and clashed with security guards as Vilks was pulled away into a separate room, he said, describing the scene as "complete chaos."

"A man ran up and threw himself over me. I was head-butted and my glasses were broken," Vilks said before hanging up for questioning by police.

Uppsala University spokeswoman Pernilla Bjork said Vilks was showing a provocative film with sexual content to the crowd when the attacker ran up and hit him in the face with his fists.

The video posted on Uppsala Nya Tidning's site showed agitated police officers clashing with protesters at the front of the lecture hall. A female police officer uses pepper spray to subdue a young man. Another youngster is wrestled to the ground.

Uppsala police spokesman Tommy Karlsson said a man and woman in their 20's were detained on suspicion of using violence against police.

University officials said there had been a peaceful demonstration by Muslims outside the university before Vilks started to speak, and that about 250 people attended his lecture. Bjork said the university had been in contact with police and security guards before Vilks' lecture to ensure his safety.

"We think it is our task as a university to be able discuss difficult issues," she said. "We think it is very unfortunate that this has resulted in violence."

Vilks made his rough sketch more than a year after 12 Danish newspaper cartoons of the prophet sparked furious protests in Muslim countries in 2006.

A Swedish newspaper printed the drawing, leading to further protests, and revived a heated debate in the West and the Muslim world about religious sensitivities and the limits of free speech.

It also led to numerous death threats against Vilks, who was temporarily moved to a secret location after al-Qaida in Iraq put a $100,000 bounty on his head in September 2007.


-- Wed May 12, 2010 11:16 am --

Video of the attack. I wonder what Europe (what's left) will be like in thirty years:

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Re: Lars Vilks attacked by people shouting Jesus is great May 15, 2010
Maybe people should actually just 'Get a Life' and realise that religion is secondary to survival.

Free speech is the right of all and if someone drew a cartoon of God or Jesus that was derogatory to the Christian faith, so what? Its his right and no-one should threaten him for it.

Sorry, but this is simply over reaction by some and an excuse to cause trouble by others who exist just to do that.

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At least it didn't turn into a shoe tossing party.
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Well, it transpired that the guy wasn't headbutted at all, but apparently was injured when he ran into the plain clothed police doing security (IIRC)

Over eager protection, but I would still guess a scary experience for the guy to have a MAD MOOOSLIM go for him! ;)

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Islamic tolerance update:

STOCKHOLM (AP) - A Swedish artist whose drawing of the Prophet Muhammad with a dogs body angered Muslims said Sunday he doesn't feel safe in his home at night, after a week of attacks against him.

Lars Vilks told The Associated Press he has started sleeping elsewhere since an attempted arson attack Friday against his home in Nyhamnslage, southern Sweden.

Earlier in the week, Vilks was attacked by a man as he gave a lecture at a university in central Sweden, and the following day his Web site appeared to have been targeted by hackers.

Vilks said he has decided to sleep elsewhere as a precaution, but doesn't think there will be another attack against him right now because of increased police patrols.

"During the day I don't think it is dangerous because I can keep watch over myself," Vilks said. "But I have to realize that I can't be there during the night.".

The artist has faced numerous threats over his 2007 sketch. Earlier this year, U.S. investigators said Vilks was the target of an alleged murder plot involving Colleen LaRose, an American woman who dubbed herself "Jihad Jane," and who now faces life in prison. She has pleaded not guilty.

Swedish police arrested a 21-year-old man late Saturday and a 19-year-old man on Sunday on suspciion of the attempted arson attack. Earlier Saturday, they had found bottles filled with gasoline and minor fire damage to Vilks' home. Several windows at the artist's house had also been smashed. Vilks was not home during the attack.

Vilks drew his picture of Muhammad more than a year after 12 cartoons of the prophet in a Danish newspaper sparked furious protests in Muslim countries. Images of Muhammad, even favorable ones, are considered blasphemous by many Muslims.


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Re: Lars Vilks attacked by people shouting Jesus is great May 17, 2010
Why is it that you will never come across Muslims drawing pics/cartoons of Jesus, God or even our own prophet (Muhammad (pbuh)) or of Buddah or of Guru Nanak etc etc?

Maybe Dubai Knight can answer this one ;)

You have a freedom of speech and you have the right to say anything you like. But dont you think by making cartoons of a religious IMPORTANT person is a bit out of line?

Fine you might not be a religious person and you probably do not understand the concept of religion. But has anyone made fun out of u? Disrespected you or your religion or your beliefs? Has a muslim pointed a gun towards your head and said convert to ISLAM!!!

Honestly speaking I would say that LARS deserves this. When you know that there are some crazy people out there and you already know what the consequences are than why do such thing?

You have a lion in a forest and you provoke him, whats going to happen?

1) the lions going to dance salsa with you
2) you and the lion will go the beach and watch the sunset
3) the LION will eat you alive :D

sorry I believe in freedom of speech, but this was out of line. Muslims have discouraged bombings and its a shame that no1 from the Christian/jew communities or even leaders from the European Union have come up and discouraged this sort of behaviour.

I think most of the europeans have 4gotten what Nazi Germany was all about. Nazi Germany used their freedom of speech and started off with cartoons of jews and later on jews were wiped out of europe.

Has Europe forgotten what happens 50 odd years ago? Are they going down that roads towards anti-semetic views and feelings, similiar to Nazi Germany of Hitler??

I am afraid so, they are.

its a shame that us human beings i.e muslims, christians, hindus etc have not learnt anything from History.
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I wonder what Europe (what's left) will be like in thirty years:


Very peaceful actually. For 1400 years, islam have kept saying that Nobody has the right to spread slander, libel or bigotry in the name of freedom of speech... and I find this as much civilized today as it was then.

But obvioulsy this right to protect human honour and dignity doesn't count much when it comes to protect interests of the zionist jews and their supporters..

The man responsible for commissioning this travesty is Flemming Rose, cultural editor of the Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten. Rose is a Zionist Jew and has close ties to Daniel Pipes, arguably the greatest threat to academic freedom of speech in North America.

Rose denied that he intended to incite Muslims, but that lie is easy to debunk: Jyllands Posten rejected similar cartoons about Jesus three years ago because it said, “they could be offensive to readers and were not funny.”*

The inescapable conclusion, therefore, is that the paper believes that offending Muslim readers is acceptable and that mocking their prophet is funny. Alas, in the moral universe of our zionist press, this is the norm, and there are more than enough thugs to concoct sophistries to justify it.

Like all bullies, these zionists are cowards. Without the censorship that prevents contrary views from being freely expressed, they could not survive. For example, if it were widely known that Israel was created by Nazi collaborators, or that Israel is politically and morally illegitimate, these gangsters could not extort international acquiescence to Israeli expansionism, stifle condemnation of the Occupation, or promote negative Arab stereotypes.

Not surprisingly, Jyllands-Posten’s editor-in-chief Carsten Juste hastily denied that the paper had an agreement with the Iranian daily Hamshahri to publish cartoons on the holocaust. Doubtless, Jewish sensitivities count for more in Denmark than do Muslim sensitivities, but one cartoon slated to be published had already appeared in the paper!—a Star of David, attached to a bomb with a burning fuse.†


http://www.gregfelton.com/media/2006_02_16.htm
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I see that eh hasn't acknowledged that the first story was wrong and that Lars wasn't in fact headbutted by a protestor after all, but was injured when he hit a plain-clothed policeman.

Sigh. Why am I not surprised that his arguments rely on imagined incidents and fanciful interpretations.

After all, he is the most extreme religious fanatic posting on this forum - he is the only person I know who condones religious enslavement and massacres - see the thread 'Biblical War Crimes' where he tries to persuade people to join him in not condemning the enslavement of 32,000 virgins after their families (married women, children and men and boys) were all slaughtered in cold blood after the battle had been won.

Even Al Qaeda don't go as far as he does!


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shafique wrote:he is the only person I know who condones religious enslavement and massacres - see the thread 'Biblical War Crimes' ....blah blah blah blah blah


Let's see the quote.
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Your wish is my command (and this gives you the opportunity to condemn the war crimes listed in the Bible, so it is not too late).

http://www.dubaiforums.com/philosophy-dubai/biblical-war-crimes-t40711-90.html#p330540

shafique wrote:We've acknowledged that you equate Acts of God with the war crimes of the Israelites. We've told you that you won't convince us to join you in equating a natural disaster with cold blooded massacres and rapes by humans.

Why are you avoiding the logical conclusion of your views?:

shafique wrote:I understand you have a logic to equate the enslavement of virgins and their rape with natural disasters. I just happen to not share this view - and think it rather perverse a way to justify murder and rape by Israelites.

The question though was whether you acknowledge you are more extreme than Al Qaeda and are proud of this fact.

I suspect I'll be repeating the question a few times. ;)

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Do you really think you'll convince anyone to join you in condoning the Biblical war crimes? Can you get one person to join you here and support your view (you may want to ask chev-the-chav - he's your best bet)

Shafique



This is your reply - saying that the only thing you object to is the allegation that the 32,000 virgins were raped (hence why I said you don't condone the enslavement of virgins):

Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:52 pm
event horizon wrote:No rapes - that's your deviant imagination at work again.

The question is simple, has Allah caused suffering in the lives of countless innocent civilians? (We're not talking about real natural disasters, like the earthquakes of modern times, but destruction caused by Allah himself).


You can go through the rest of the thread and see that no where do you condemn the war crimes and no where do you say that you don't condone the massacres and enslavements (in fact you try to persuade me to join you in your view).

QED

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So my quote condoning something or other is actually a quote where I corrected your misunderstanding of what a passage says?

I didn't see 'condoning' in that post.

Perhaps you should check out the meaning of the word 'condone' in case you dropped another big word before you knew the meaning of it.

LoL. I think even berrin will have to admit, that was pretty pathetic.
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Perhaps Berrin will agree with you on this point (there's a first time for everything).

So, let's clear this up once and for all.

Do you, or do you not, join me in condemning as a war crime the enslavement of 32,000 virgins and the slaughter of the married women, men and boys (and livestock) carried out by the Israelites as described in the Bible, or do you still want to argue that 'God told them to do it' is a valid excuse?

Condemn or condone?

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Why the need to be clear?

You stated numerous times before that I condoned something.

Where's the quote - or were you making it up before?
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You want me to repost what I posted above? Why?

Seems pretty clear to me that you refuse to condemn acts of terrorism when carried out by white or Jewish people - eg Baruch Goldstein, the Israelites etc. What is a bit perplexing is why you insist the LRA are Christian Terrorists though.

But hey, pehaps Berrin will jump in and explain to you what your refusal to condemn war crimes says to readers? ;)

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Hey, I'll do it for you:

No rapes - that's your deviant imagination at work again.


Now, please highlight any of the above nine words that lead you to believe I had condoned anything.

Perhaps this is another case of poor reading comprehension?
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Do you, or do you not, join me in condemning as a war crime the enslavement of 32,000 virgins and the slaughter of the married women, men and boys (and livestock) carried out by the Israelites as described in the Bible, or do you still want to argue that 'God told them to do it' is a valid excuse?


Still unclear?

Recall that you asked me to justify the following quote:

shafique wrote:..After all, he is the most extreme religious fanatic posting on this forum - he is the only person I know who condones religious enslavement and massacres - see the thread 'Biblical War Crimes' where he tries to persuade people to join him in not condemning the enslavement of 32,000 virgins after their families (married women, children and men and boys) were all slaughtered in cold blood after the battle had been won.

Even Al Qaeda don't go as far as he does!



You remain the only person I know who does not condemn the enslavement and massacre above (although, to be fair, I haven't asked Chev the question - he may support you on this eh)

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eh,

why is it that you will never find muslims do such things?
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rudeboy wrote:Why is it that you will never come across Muslims drawing pics/cartoons of Jesus, God or even our own prophet (Muhammad (pbuh)) or of Buddah or of Guru Nanak etc etc?


Maybe because they are not very good at drawing?

Maybe Dubai Knight can answer this one ;)

You have a freedom of speech and you have the right to say anything you like. But dont you think by making cartoons of a religious IMPORTANT person is a bit out of line?


Nope. He can draw what and who he likes. If he choses to publish and someone choses to buy it and print it, then this is freedom of speech.

Fine you might not be a religious person and you probably do not understand the concept of religion. But has anyone made fun out of u? Disrespected you or your religion or your beliefs? Has a muslim pointed a gun towards your head and said convert to ISLAM!!!


Actually I had a VERY strict religious upbringing and am fully aware of pretty much all the major religions, their origins and their methods of theological belief, having written a 300 page dissertation with a 1 year research period on the "Commonalities of Denominational Variety". This was imposed upon me after my awakening and realisation that all religions are essentially similar and that we are driven to assign mystical or deiic attributes to things around us that we see, but don't yet understand. With knowledge comes understanding and therefore any mysticism is removed. However all 'churches' are run by human beings and, as such are fraught with human failings and frailties. They all seek to teach their own agenda, recruit to their own banner and then subsequently control the masses. Its just politics wrapped up a different way. like Mexican food.

Yes, people have disrespected me and my beliefs. I may not agree with them, but I will defend their right to disagree to the death.

No one here or in the cartoons is accusing anyone of pointing a gun at anyone and forcing them to convert to Islam. If they did that to me I would probably concede (with my fingers crossed behind my back) simply because theological belief cannot be forced on someone who truly does not believe, even at the point of a gun. People only point guns at me once. They never do it again.

Honestly speaking I would say that LARS deserves this. When you know that there are some crazy people out there and you already know what the consequences are than why do such thing?

You have a lion in a forest and you provoke him, whats going to happen?

1) the lions going to dance salsa with you
2) you and the lion will go the beach and watch the sunset
3) the LION will eat you alive :D


Why is Islam a Lion? Why can't it be a dolphin? Or a Musk oxen or a mouse? That aggression is not inborn and inbred and lions can be tamed. Maybe its the overall problem with all religions. they all think they are lions?

sorry I believe in freedom of speech, but this was out of line. Muslims have discouraged bombings and its a shame that no1 from the Christian/jew communities or even leaders from the European Union have come up and discouraged this sort of behaviour.


I don't think that was what he was trying to illustrate. I have seen all the cartoons that created such a furore and, to be quite honest, there was nothing that offensive. I personally have drawn and had published cartoons that make fun of passages of the Bible, Jesus and the Christmas nativity story. To date no Christian religion has declared a 'fatwa' upon me.

I think most of the europeans have 4gotten what Nazi Germany was all about. Nazi Germany used their freedom of speech and started off with cartoons of jews and later on jews were wiped out of europe.

Has Europe forgotten what happens 50 odd years ago? Are they going down that roads towards anti-semetic views and feelings, similiar to Nazi Germany of Hitler??


No, we have certainly not forgotten. The cartoons referred to were part of a systematic campaign actually under the Minister of Propaganda, Goebbels, and were not intended to be humerous or witty. They were intended to incite hatred, the cartoons referred to here were intended to make people smile.

I am afraid so, they are.

its a shame that us human beings i.e muslims, christians, hindus etc have not learnt anything from History.


I believe most have. Except a few who continue to bay for the blood of someone who is exercising the talent that God gave him...or is that an oxymoron?

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can someone tell me if the cartoons which the nazis used in their propoganda against the jews, were or werent anti semitic?
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rudeboy wrote:can someone tell me if the cartoons which the nazis used in their propoganda against the jews, were or werent anti semitic?


Well there are people here who would claim they were not as the Zionist movement probably collaborated with the Nazi party to create them.

I simple terms, they were 100% anti-semitic.

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I agree - in fact, couldn't those cartoons be used as a definition of anti-semitism (i.e. they depict/portray exactly what anti-semites believe - a hatred of a group of people based on things that aren't actually in their religion or practices, but for which 'documentary evidence' and 'articles' are provided to justify the hatred)?

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Dubai Knight wrote:
Well there are people here who would claim they were not as the Zionist movement probably collaborated with the Nazi party to create them.

So far that's what released documents have prooved..

Shafique wrote:
in fact, couldn't those cartoons be used as a definition of anti-semitism (i.e. they depict/portray exactly what anti-semites believe - a hatred of a group of people based on things that aren't actually in their religion or practices, but for which 'documentary evidence' and 'articles' are provided to justify the hatred)?


Absolutely, infact one only has to have a close look at the "protocols of the elders of zion"...One would clearly see that they are secular, there is no God in their book, God shouldn't be in their way to reach their objectives..Poor pious Jewish Darwin must have suffered terribly in the circle of these zionists in London, hence both orthodox christianity and judaism loosing their grip in society in particular in Europe and America.
Neither there is any humanity in their book so as to achieve their zionist "world state" and domination, hence why UN policies cannot be succesfull and effective and why there is no muslim state in the security council.

And that's why zionist jews have to continue to mob and mock the values of muslims so that they keep good control of muslimhood through the reactions they show, as these protest and violance can be the only means to shape worldwide public opionion that muslims are jew-haters(which is needed to suit zionists/israel interests), and they know that the more muslims attack so called "freedom of speach", the further christian societies will be backing zionist jews and their movements etc. etc.

But muslims are not stupid and don't fall into the traps zionists prepare continously and will continue to fight and go after them whereever they are found..Who knows them better any other race than muslims as they are the only ones suffer so much in their hands becouse of their resistance to surrender, as orthodox christians have already sold themselves to zionism.

The only christian who is fighting them is Putin at the moment..And he is my herooooo with Ahmedinajad, and lets not forget Erdogan and da Silva as well. Obama is yet to proove himself..

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references- ... older.html

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references- ... chor192363

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protoc ... rs_of_Zion

I liked this quote on one of the links I gave..
Mankind, God's magnificent experiment, has been subverted and compromised. From the U.S. soldier in Iraq, to the taxpayer who pays the national debt, we are all "men of straw."

We are all "men of straw" indeed.
http://www.savethemales.ca/000275.html
I suggest you read the first and the second page on this link DK. After reading it all, you will see that what's written is either happened or happening.
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Sweden is a secular and democratic country with a statutory expression. There is nothing that says that a statement, a work of art or other cultural product must be good, tasty, genuine, interesting, fun or whatever it may be to be protected by freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech has well-defined borders and the borders are determined by the elected democratic institutions. Not by angry mobs. Not the religious prelates in other countries.

It does not matter what is said the Quran, Bible or Torah. These acts have nothing to do whatsoever with the Swedish legislation. Those who threaten anyone with violence, whatever the cause is a criminal. Criminal.

It doesn't work to build a society in a contest of denigration. It is impossible to build an open, free society, with preventing anyone who might perceive as offensive from expressing themselves.

I am personally offended by a lot of messages. Right Christian vulgar anti-abortion rhetoric. Ill-disguised religious homophobia. The fact that we could have a fascist party in parliament. A lot of things in our society make me sick. But I'll have to find strategies to live my life anyway. Am I inexplicably upset about something I can debate with others, work politically or otherwise attempting to influence public opinion.

I am entitled to my feelings, but if I threaten to hurt or kill someone for his opinions, I shall be detained by police and brought before the court. There is no gray zone.

There is nothing in the Muslim stories that make them unique. My Views and narratives are equally valid. My feelings and attitudes are just as real. There is no question as to whether Lars Vilks art is offensive or not. Certain types of Islam is offensive for a lot of people. The point is that in an open society we must live with the paradox.

And once again:

To try to prevent anyone from exercising their right to express their views freely is a crime. Period.
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Welcome to this section of the forum!

Yes, I agree anna - no excuse for violence against anyone just because one is expressing an opinion. Certainly no need to try and hit them.

We'll leave aside the fact that the guy wasn't actually hit by the protestor (and was injured by contact with a policeman) and look at the fact he was attacked.

Well, the Swedish police did the right thing and arrested the guy - and I understand they let him out (if I recall correctly).


Tackling the issue of freedom of speech from a theological perspective - Islam's teachings are pretty clear on this. There is no punishment in the Quran (the literal word of God) for blasphemy - in fact the only injunction for Muslims is to get up and leave the company of people who are saying 'bad' things and not to rejoin them in conversation until they stop (so it is not even a permanent censure - it's just get up and leave and come back later).

Now, of course, the images of Muslims burning Satanic Verses and the issue of the fatwa against Rushdie will stand testimony to the fact that indeed some Muslims do go nuts and want to kill people for what they don't like said - but that is despite what Islam teaches, not because of it.

So, as a Muslim I fully share your view that it is wrong to threaten or hit anyone because we may not like what they say.

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Sweden is a secular and democratic country with a statutory expression. There is nothing that says that a statement, a work of art or other cultural product must be good, tasty, genuine, interesting, fun or whatever it may be to be protected by freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech has well-defined borders and the borders are determined by the elected democratic institutions. Not by angry mobs. Not the religious prelates in other countries.

Yes BUT
Apparently freedom of speech doesn't have well-defined borders, and the borders are not determined by the elected democratic institutions either..

I'll portray an elected democratic institution..
“freedom of speech” loving Geert Wilders silently gets elected or a Rapture loving evangelist Christian party is in power...Just imagine…
You see we already had enough of Neocon democrats thrashing Muslims abroad in the name of liberating "hearts and minds". (not surprising that neocon cabinets or advisers were zion jews)
Miss, how can you expect Muslims behave well and heil their provocators in silence without showing any kind of violence when every single one of them knows and understands the nasty intentions and propaganda in media and in their countries, violating muslim’s well-defined borders to freedom, freedom to speech, as well as freedom to live like how they want within their own territory. (Note: I am not a supporter of violence, but I have to use it on this occasion to portray the picture)

Then what will you do..shut such elected democratic instituations down or let them continue to express themselves for worldwide public misery...
You wouldn't say..well they have policies therefore freedom of speech accordingly to suit their agenda..Would you?

It does not matter what is said the Quran, Bible or Torah. These acts have nothing to do whatsoever with the Swedish legislation. Those who threaten anyone with violence, whatever the cause is a criminal. Criminal.

Well that’s maybe why you don’t have Geert Wilders or Flemming Rose/Jyllands Posten in your country
And maybe that’s why you can only see peaceful side rather than violent side of Muslims living with you side by side, causing no harm,no crime?
It doesn't work to build a society in a contest of denigration. It is impossible to build an open, free society, with preventing anyone who might perceive as offensive from expressing themselves.

I agree it doesn’t work to build a society in a contest of denigration. Everyone, one or the other way has something valuable to themselves. And I don’t think “freedom of speech” has the right to attack anyone’s valuable, especially If that valuable doesn’t harm anyone..

A lot of things in our society make me sick.

Then you should raise your voice faster and higher to your democratically elected institutions to enable yourselves to see the peaceful side of muslims and Islam.

I am entitled to my feelings, but if I threaten to hurt or kill someone for his opinions, I shall be detained by police and brought before the court. There is no gray zone.

Depends on what those opinions are and the purpose they are used for? If an opinion has an agenda than it can lead someone on the way to become a tyrant with selfish acts, especially if accompanied with wealth to oppress. A wealthy dominating power should watch his says and actions.
"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words; they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character for it will become your destiny".

There is nothing in the Muslim stories that make them unique.

Can you elaborate on those stories?It could be that their oppression and pressure applied, may leave them no time to look through rose spectacles other than fight in violence in return. i.e. I don’t know one muslim nation who can fight against western aggression through singing in the rain while bomber planes doing the job and nuclear war heads and bombs sitting nicely at the backyards waiting for their duty.

Certain types of Islam is offensive for a lot of people. The point is that in an open society we must live with the paradox.

Sorry no parts of Islam is offensive in my mind as I am one who reads most often. That’s of course as long as you are a believer means you believe in a creator and his creation therefore God’s message to lead/guide humanity for his creation. It's just so staggering to read billions of dollars being spent on adventure/fiction novels while there is not as much spent in religion or Islam, especially by those who claim that Islam is offensive in certain ways and yet no effort has been put into it to understand whether it is.

And once again:
To try to prevent anyone from exercising their right to express their views freely is a crime. Period.

An yet there is no worldwide consensus for well-defined borders. Who is to decide? We are not unified.
What will we do if we can’t decide? Continue to agitating opposing side that disagrees , then make war..Or subside..I think worldwide freedom, or "freedom of speech" starts when one learns to subside, and learns to have look at issues in great length before going loggerheads at full speed.

And I believe Lars Vilks is a great artist but unfortunately he has used his skills for the wrong purpose/reason..
And I think you missed this link to read..
http://www.gregfelton.com/media/2006_02_16.htm
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Another thought (I really can't think why I'm thinking of this.. ;) ) - what about 'Holocaust Denial'?

In some countries it is a crime (eg Turkey - where it is a crime to believe/write/talk about an Armenian Genocide, and France where it is a crime to deny the Armenian Genocide). The US and Israel officially support Turkey and disagree with France.

It is a crime in a few countries to deny the Nazi's killing of Jewish people in WWII.

Is this a crime in Sweden? Should it be?

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Very good questions brother? It just shows that the world politics and peace cannot be established in camps?
But wait until proxy ideologies(political/economic) overthrown by good leadership, which I believe those ideologies have taken every single nation a hostage, including the ones who seems to be most democratic!.
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OK, too much ranting going on here for me!

It all boils down to: Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and every single religion on earth even down to the cannibals of Papua New Guinea, need to take a great big chill pill and stop putting religion as the first thing on their life agenda.

As human beings, what are the key things we need to survive?

Answer: Water, food, shelter.

I defy anyone to tell me they ultimately need anything more. If you need something more than this, then you need to re-evaluate your life.

Secure these and everything else will fall into place. "Don't concentrate on the finger pointing at the moon, or you will miss all that heavenly splendour".

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Dubai Knight wrote:As human beings, what are the key things we need to survive?

Answer: Water, food, shelter.

I defy anyone to tell me they ultimately need anything more. If you need something more than this, then you need to re-evaluate your life.
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Dubai Knight must be hanging around with too many Muslims. Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and pretty much everyone else do not 'put religion as the first thing on their life agenda'.

From my experience, only Muslims do that. That's why it's always a chuckle for Muslims to compare Muslim terrorists to the IRA or Tamil Tigers.

But, whatever.

Is anyone else tired of shafique being the final authority of what Islam supposedly teaches?

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace be upon him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace be upon him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace be upon him) was informed about it.

He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

He sat before the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.


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