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melika969 wrote:errr.. what bothers me is I dont beleive you! u dont love science, you just manipulate Quranic interpretions so they would look like scientific facts!

You have to admire Shaf's dedication to finding scientific proof for the Quran.
However, scientists are staunchly unbiased.
A muslim scirntist is a bit of an oxymoron then isn't it?

So, would a Nobel Prize winner for Physics for theoretical physics also be staunchly unbiased when he states that

There is not a single verse in the Quran where natural phenomena are described and which contradicts what we know for certain from our discoveries in Sciences.
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But seriously, the above is the extent to which the Quran is a science manual - i.e. it isn't meant to be primarily as science manual - but it does describe nature. Therefore, if what it describes is false - then it does call into question the claimed authorship of the Quran - science should back up the Quran if it is true, but science can't be used to prove that the Quran is true (much of the Quran deals with spiritual stuff that lies outside of science - life after death, for example).

Now, of course, if the Quran said the sun stopped in the sky for a day - for example - and a Muslim scientist tried to make an argument that this physically could have happened, or that it was a 'miracle' and did happen - then that would be something to write home about. But as Prof Salam says - I don't have to resort to the 'it's a miracle' argument for Quranic descriptions of nature.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:Now, of course, if the Quran said the sun stopped in the sky for a day - for example - and a Muslim scientist tried to make an argument that this physically could have happened, or that it was a 'miracle' and did happen - then that would be something to write home about. But as Prof Salam says - I don't have to resort to the 'it's a miracle' argument for Quranic descriptions of nature.

Cheers,
Shafique

if the Quran said the sun stopped in the sky for a day you'd have no choice but to believe it, and I am sure that you would.
if you beleive that sun stopped in the sky for a day by you're own choice, then that makes you just plain crazy.

Benjw - I totally agree with you.

IF the Quran did contain a scientific absurdity like the sun stopping in the sky for a day, the choice would indeed be to reject science or accept the Quran. I'm glad that, as Prof Abdus Salam points out, we thus far have not had to make this choice between science and the Quran. (I'm sure many Muslims would indeed reject science in that situation.)

I also agree with you about your last point - but I'm a bit more polite than you.

Cheers,
Shafique

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