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It’s really disheartening to see innocent people suffer unnecessarily, due to avertable circumstances, such as those brought on by the irrational policies of their fanatical leaders.

But I guess oppressing their people is sadly the raison d'être for such leaders!!!

Hey....since the issue here is the name of the “Gulf,” isn’t easy for Iran and the Gulf Arabs to get together and agree on some name, a totally different one… or perhaps calling it the “Persian Arab Gulf.”

This bickering over of the name is getting too ridiculous!!

how about THE gulf

rudeboy wrote:how about THE gulf

Know your history mate. Persian Gulf

RobbyG wrote:

rudeboy wrote:how about THE gulf

Know your history mate. Persian Gulf

Persia is "history" and its Iran now. So we cannt have Irani Gulf, it sounds like some dish. so lets just call it the afghan gulf

rudeboy wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

rudeboy wrote:how about THE gulf

Know your history mate. Persian Gulf

Persia is "history" and its Iran now. So we cannt have Irani Gulf, it sounds like some dish. so lets just call it the afghan gulf

I think I like Crude Gulf better

Bomb the crap out of it [Iran] before those religious lunatics send us some warheads this way

No No No NO!!!
I hate war!

After all, Persian history is richer than rich. Still can't believe you peepz have those religous nutters in charge although I've heard reports that Iran is now a military dictatorship?

The reports go that the Revolutionary Garde has taken control of matters. Is that true Mel?

Yes, that s totally true, and well basiji s are part of military too, but they dont wear any uniform and that s how they can shoot people and just deny!

This bickering over of the name is getting too ridiculous!!

do u have any sense of nationalism and ethinicity???!!

I did not think Iran (by and thru Ajmadeaiwhatever) had any toes left to shoot at...

melika969 wrote:

This bickering over of the name is getting too ridiculous!!

do u have any sense of nationalism and ethinicity???!!

Yes, most certainly I do, but where it’s important and appropriate!!!

If the “Persian” word is so precious to the Iranians, why don’t they now call Iran “Persia” instead of Iran?

Melika, we can’t cling to History with such passion that it blinds us from the most important pressing issues of today. So many parts of the world had their names changed throughout history, and I could name probably tens or hundreds of places. People always accept their new realities and adapt to them.

When the Gulf was named the Persian Gulf, there were no Arab gulf states around it, but now there are. They feel they have as much right to this gulf as you do, including the naming of it.

So, big deal if they call it the Arabian Gulf and you continue to call it the Persian Gulf.

You also share part of the Gulf that’s called the Gulf of Oman, but you don’t seem to mind that name!!

So let’s not get bogged down by the past, and instead concentrate on our (huge) current problems, and on our future!!

TJ, I need to correct you there, Iran's name has always been Iran since 1000 B.C. It has been taken from Aryan names, which moved to Iran in that time.

Name of entites is the only thing that keep and show their own heritage, so if you don't care to rename UK to UAE, I don't care. We won't let Arabs to steal our history.

to make this debate short why not just call it the "Persian Arabian Peninsula" or "PERA Gulf" (PErsian aRAbian) hehehehe

but on the contrary its still is persian gulf: Check this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf

With the rise of Arab nationalism (Pan-Arabism) in the 1960s, most Arab states started adopting the term "Arabian Gulf" (in Arabic: الخلیج العربي al-ḫalīǧ al-ʻarabi) to refer to the waterway.[2][33],[34],[35]. However, this naming has not found much acceptance outside of the Arab world, and is not recognized by the United Nations[2][36][37][38] or any other international organization.[2][39] The United Nations Secretariat on many occasions has requested that only "Persian Gulf" be used as the official and standard geographical designation for the body of water.[40] Historically, "Arabian Gulf" has been a term used to indicate the Red Sea.[1][41][42][43][44] At the same time, the historical veracity of the usage of "Persian Gulf" can be established from the works of many medieval historians.[1][45][46][47][48] Most Arabs refer to the waterway as simply "al-Khaleej" or "the Gulf".

At the Twenty-third session of the United Nations in March-April 2006, the name "Persian Gulf" was confirmed again as the legitimate and official term to be used by members of the United Nations.[49]

melika969 wrote:TJ, I need to correct you there, Iran's name has always been Iran since 1000 B.C. It has been taken from Aryan names, which moved to Iran in that time.

Name of entites is the only thing that keep and show their own heritage, so if you don't care to rename UK to UAE, I don't care. We won't let Arabs to steal our history.

Sorry Melika but I don’t agree!!

Let’s leave the heritage and history issues aside, and talk present day realities!!

As you know, the Gulf does not totally belong to Iran!! The Gulf legally belongs, in part, to all the countries that have shorelines on it. Each country’s territorial waters (for up to 12 nautical miles) is considered part of the sovereign territory of that country. The rest is international waters!!

So don’t you think that the name of the Gulf should be agreed upon jointly by Iran, Iraq and the Gulf States because they all own it!!!

XPT wrote:I did not think Iran (by and thru Ajmadeaiwhatever) had any toes left to shoot at...

No no, let me correct that: Its...Ahh Amm...Ama Dinner Jacket...

Tom Jones wrote:Sorry Melika but I don’t agree!!

Let’s leave the heritage and history issues aside, and talk present day realities!!

As you know, the Gulf does not totally belong to Iran!! The Gulf legally belongs, in part, to all the countries that have shorelines on it. Each country’s territorial waters (for up to 12 nautical miles) is considered part of the sovereign territory of that country. The rest is international waters!!

So don’t you think that the name of the Gulf should be agreed upon jointly by Iran, Iraq and the Gulf States because they all own it!!!

Never heard so much crap in my life. One thing Jones...know your history! Rookie!

RobbyG wrote:

Tom Jones wrote:Sorry Melika but I don’t agree!!

Let’s leave the heritage and history issues aside, and talk present day realities!!

As you know, the Gulf does not totally belong to Iran!! The Gulf legally belongs, in part, to all the countries that have shorelines on it. Each country’s territorial waters (for up to 12 nautical miles) is considered part of the sovereign territory of that country. The rest is international waters!!

So don’t you think that the name of the Gulf should be agreed upon jointly by Iran, Iraq and the Gulf States because they all own it!!!

Never heard so much crap in my life. One thing Jones...know your history! Rookie!

Second that!

So cause Indian Ocean does not belong to India we should change the name to "Tom Jones Ocean"!

melika969 wrote:

Bomb the crap out of it [Iran] before those religious lunatics send us some warheads this way

No No No NO!!!
I hate war!

But but but...

"All I Wanna Say Is That..., They [Nutters] Don't Really Care About Us !!!" [Michael Jackson R.I.P.)

Should we wait and collect warheads?

I just wonder with all the sunctions being put to iran rigth now with all this nuclear talks, the persian gulf will surely become history and lose its name to arabian gulf...

its just WATER ppl.

rudeboy wrote:its just WATER ppl.

With a historic nomenclature...

It has always been the Persian Gulf, or as we say Khalije Fars
&
It has always been the Arabian Peninsula, as we say Al Jazira Al Arabiya

Changing the historical name of the gulf takes a lot of time & efforts, and it's way too far for our Arabian brothers to do so.
Persia as an empire really owned this historical name!
In addition to the main cities along the Iranian coastline, the Persians also established couple of important cities along the coasts of Oman (Sohar) with a great fort called Rostaq that is still existing! Also along Eastern region of Saudi Arabia, and even inside the desert of UAE (Al Ain). A lot of the terms regarding fishing & pearl diving used in the GCC culture is actually based on Persian heritage/culture. Sadly, a lot of people dont know these facts for that such information are being neglected & ignored on purpose to hide any Persian traces in this region. Mission accomplished, by nationalist Arabs who try to brain-wash people with a misleading version of history.

On the other hand, nationalist Iranians are being ridicilous when they claim that Bahrain is part of Iran, and try to convince Iranian people that Bahrain must re-unite with Iran again. That's just as bad as how Arabs offend the Iranians by trying to change the Persian Gulf name.

Would there ever be any wise leadership to guide their nations properly with RESPECT?

RobbyG wrote:

Tom Jones wrote:Sorry Melika but I don’t agree!!

Let’s leave the heritage and history issues aside, and talk present day realities!!

As you know, the Gulf does not totally belong to Iran!! The Gulf legally belongs, in part, to all the countries that have shorelines on it. Each country’s territorial waters (for up to 12 nautical miles) is considered part of the sovereign territory of that country. The rest is international waters!!

So don’t you think that the name of the Gulf should be agreed upon jointly by Iran, Iraq and the Gulf States because they all own it!!!

Never heard so much crap in my life. One thing Jones...know your history! Rookie!

What’s the matter with you Robby?

Are you that thickheaded to know that history cannot not change the present?

All you seem to know how to say, like a broken record, is “know your history!”

I honestly don’t give a damn about history, and about who was powerful and who owned what or who named what? I read history and enjoy learning about what happened in the past, but all that will not change the realities of today.

You can live in the past if you want, but we don’t. We live in the present, and we have to deal with today’s realities not with some irrelevant historical stories!

The Arabs used to refer to Israel as Palestine, and they used to blackout the name “Israel” from all the world maps in their school textbooks, but now they don’t. Why? Because they are beginning to accept today’s reality that Israel will not go away.

Iran needs to come to the reality that it is no longer an empire. It has to make peace with its neighbors for its own good, and if that means tolerating the fact that the Arabs call the Persian Gulf the Arabian Gulf, so what!!! The Iranians can continue to call it the Persian Gulf, but they cannot force the Arabs to call it as such.

And, truthfully, the whole thing looks to me as utterly unimportant and petty in the first place.

Oh…and by the way, Melika, for your info, the Indian Ocean was not named by the Indians but by the early sea traders, and the part of it that borders the Arabian Peninsula is called the Arabian Sea. But most importantly, the name was never in dispute as in the case with the Persian Gulf.

All I’m saying is: if there is a such dispute, and in order to have peace and good neighborly relations between all the parties, they either have to find a resolution to the dispute, or simply not to make it a dispute (i.e., by not making a big deal out of it!!!)

Pure a simple!!

Tom Jones wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

Tom Jones wrote:Sorry Melika but I don’t agree!!

Let’s leave the heritage and history issues aside, and talk present day realities!!

As you know, the Gulf does not totally belong to Iran!! The Gulf legally belongs, in part, to all the countries that have shorelines on it. Each country’s territorial waters (for up to 12 nautical miles) is considered part of the sovereign territory of that country. The rest is international waters!!

So don’t you think that the name of the Gulf should be agreed upon jointly by Iran, Iraq and the Gulf States because they all own it!!!

Never heard so much crap in my life. One thing Jones...know your history! Rookie!

I honestly don’t give a damn about history, ...

Pure a simple!!

That was obvious.
If you really knew what influence Ancient Persia had in the region, you would have responded with more respect towards historical perspectives.

Just because the Arabs have a bit of Western support now, doesn't mean that Persian history is suddenly wiped out! From an historic perspective, the oil-powered Arabs are just opening their eyes in the region!

Perspective mate. Keep some historical perspective.

You tell him RobbyG!

Just an observation - the Arabs can't complain too much, there is after all the 'Arabian Sea' and the 'Gulf of Oman'.

Even oil in the region was first exploited in Iran (by what became British Petroleum) and for much of the last century Iran was 'our strong guy' in the region. Then there was no question about the Persian Gulf changing its name. But then again, our American friends aren't interested in ancient history!

It's a bit like Bush and his pals accusing the Iranians of being uncivilised (in the historical sense) - the irony is staggering coming from a nation that's a mere few centuries old. But I guess that too would be lost on some of our friends here.

Cheers,
Shafique

TJ,

As I said if you are igonrant about nationalism and history, keep it to your own and don't preach persians about it!

Indian Ocean was a joke, sorry if u didnt get it!

BFD.

I don't know any Western who calls it the 'Arabian Gulf". It is the "Persian Gulf" - Khalas. How do you write Khalas in "persian' (ehr, Farsi).

hehe, That would be "Paayaan" in persian!

melika969 wrote:hehe, That would be "Paayaan" in persian!

Thanks and Paayaan to you too then!

Considering Iran needs all the friends it can, isn't this just winding up other arab nations?

If adhminejad, had just concentrated on jobs for the people and signed the oil/nuke fuel deals with russia (so they get to annoy USA but not the world) they would be sitting pretty now.