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Like someone said already, if we boycott products from every country that pisses us off every now and then then we're gonna starve to death.

However, I don't agree with what the Jyllands Posten Newspaper did. Many people argue that it was merely practicing its democratic right of free speech, however, there is a very thin line between free speech and encitement of hatred, and what the paper did was latter. The term freedom of speech is not an absolute as it cannot be used to injure or degrade others physically or psychologically because you have thus infringed on their right to live in peace. You are free to practice your freedom of speech as long as you're not using it to stir up trouble or to antagonise a certain group of people for no particular reason as that could only lead to civil unrest and tensions between different communities.

Muslims in Europe have been living in an environment of fear since 9/11 because of the actions of a few misguided individuals. Consequently, many racist individuals within Europe saw this as the perfect opportunity to pursue their own hidden agenda of purifying Europe, and have since vociferously attacked governments for their leniency with these barbarians and demanded strict anti-immigration control measures within europe. Therefore, papers like the Jyllands Posten in Denmark, and the good ol' Sun and Daily Mail in England are just pouring more gas into an already burning house and are doing more damage with their inflammatory remarks which are aimed at sparking an already simmering situation. That is NOT freedom of speech nor should it be allowed anywhere!

Chocoholic wrote:And who cares where this army or not is based, they're still inciting people to attack Danish and Norweigan nationals and the industries. So don't tell me it's not relevant, or that they're acting rationally and with restraint.

Anyway the whole thing is BS and completely blown out of proportion in comparison to many of the things happening in the world today. You think a starving child gives a rats arse about a cartoon? Please do me a favour and put it in perspective.

Ummm I don't think you got Yshimy's point, he was saying the army is a faction not supported by a country/nation, just a bunch of idiotic radicals. I believe the point he was making is the country they are from do not support that group of idiots, which differs in what happened with the cartoons. If you take something/someone that people hold very dear to them and inappropriately portray it of course people are going to be offended by it.

If you saw a depiction of live cat being skinned in a cartoon would you not be the first to say “what kind of sik fk would thing this is funny” “what kind of fk’d up government would support this”?

What if someone link the Jesus with Terror or make disrespectful picture of Jesus? I think reaction would be really severe in southern europe and USA. I am talking about real christian people , not the christian people who attend the church only two times in their entire life ;0).

This happens frequently, and with Mary as well as Jesus. And Christian groups are often vocal in their protests. But it doesn't extend to product boycotts of the countries involved. About the only boycott Christian groups seem to make is of films and TV channels, from time to time.

Boycott if you like, but those Danish companies had nothing to do with the newspaper publishing those pictures.

Amen. Just as the average Muslim has nothing to do with terrorism.

EDIT: Here is a more mature response to the situation:

"We need to counter it by our good deeds, action and work," he advised. Shaikh Khalfan wants measures to be taken to remove misconceptions about Islam in the West. "We must use print media, satellite television channels or hold conferences in places like Denmark to educate people about our religion and beliefs," he believes.

He advised people in the Muslim world not to be reactionary. "Don't get emotional," he suggested and added that people should hold a dialogue with those responsible for such acts and educate them about Islam.

"Education, communication and dialogue are the means to remove misunderstandings not boycott," said Shaikh Khalfan, urging Muslims to say kind words to mankind.[/url]

Fayez man,
Thanks for clarifing, thats exactly what i wanted to say but seems Choco is not getting it.

Really wise to talk in her language, i liked the comparison you did about the Cat Cartoon.

"out of topic" There is a Mazda Rx8 for sale on exotic motors for 120k

Kanelli, yes man, enough with Ahmadnajad, yes both senarios are abusing the "freedom of speach"

secretdubai wrote:
EDIT: Here is a more mature response to the situation:

"We need to counter it by our good deeds, action and work," he advised. Shaikh Khalfan wants measures to be taken to remove misconceptions about Islam in the West. "We must use print media, satellite television channels or hold conferences in places like Denmark to educate people about our religion and beliefs," he believes.

He advised people in the Muslim world not to be reactionary. "Don't get emotional," he suggested and added that people should hold a dialogue with those responsible for such acts and educate them about Islam.

"Education, communication and dialogue are the means to remove misunderstandings not boycott," said Shaikh Khalfan, urging Muslims to say kind words to mankind.[/url]

This sounds like the ONLY true solution for creating better understanding and reducing offence and conflict.

Chocoholic wrote: You think a starving child gives a rats arse about a cartoon? Please do me a favour and put it in perspective.

nah, he wouldn't give a damn about Cartoon, nor about holocaust, nor about homless dogs nor cats, nor about fur industry, nor about pollution, nor about WMD, nor about religion (depends), nor about rules or regulations, nor about society or values, nor about anything but to get his food even if it required him stealing it.


Should we allow stealing?!!!!don't try to strip the events from everthing and try to work on the micro level than the macro level.
And you are asking me to put it in perspective, and what does this poor starving boy got to do with that!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU DON'T MAKE SENSE

"Note: The above comment is protected by the Muslim/Arab freedom of speach rules."

Agreed education is the only weapon against ignorance. (actually I mentioned that a few posts back as well)

As for the RX8, I ended up buying an SUV I have my family coming to visit and my girlfriend’s plus a few of my friends so as much as it killed me to do it, I bought something “practical” the RX8 will have to wait until we can afford 3 cars.

"A Danish company said two of its workers were assaulted in Mecca."

This is on the article of the seven days.

Quick analsys, If they are in Mecca, it means they are Muslims, and then will not be attacked, as they will yell "La illah illa allah)
If the are not Muslims, then they will not be in Mecca and this news will be a FABRICATION.

Cheers

fayz wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:And who cares where this army or not is based, they're still inciting people to attack Danish and Norweigan nationals and the industries. So don't tell me it's not relevant, or that they're acting rationally and with restraint.

Anyway the whole thing is BS and completely blown out of proportion in comparison to many of the things happening in the world today. You think a starving child gives a rats arse about a cartoon? Please do me a favour and put it in perspective.

Ummm I don't think you got Yshimy's point, he was saying the army is a faction not supported by a country/nation, just a bunch of idiotic radicals. I believe the point he was making is the country they are from do not support that group of idiots, which differs in what happened with the cartoons. If you take something/someone that people hold very dear to them and inappropriately portray it of course people are going to be offended by it.

If you saw a depiction of live cat being skinned in a cartoon would you not be the first to say “what kind of sik fk would thing this is funny” “what kind of fk’d up government would support this”?

yeah true !! not only that Islamic gov. NEVER support, but they even

condem most ofthe actions of these rebellious morons ... if denmark

wouldnt act on the newspaper, legally i mean in some sort of fine or

something legal, then it only showsthat the gov. is somewhat supporting

this stupid piece of journalism ... like i said the newspaper's apology is not

enough the GOV should make a legal case against the PAPER and The

GOv. would have to make a LAW that provides protection to religion

against any form of attacks ... only by this way i think we can say that its

JUST fair ....

There have been non-Muslim workers in Mecca - whatever telco company put the mobile network in Mecca used non-Muslim workers. It was kept extremely discreet (the Saudi authorites gave the nod but would obviously not officially, publically acknowledge it) but there was no choice, since the skill levels required were so high-level and specific and there was no suitable muslim employee available, presumably.

So I bet this has happened in other instances too.

Freedom of speech doesnt mean to divide the entire world between muslims and non-muslims,thats what the news paper did. They created the same situation as it was on 9-11 . News paper shuld understand what is its responsibility toward society.

This is the first time arab countries earned respect before me ,love u Saudi Arab

what to reply to choco and secret ,they are jst insisting for nothing .

Choco has more respect for "Robbie Williams" than Jesus .

Freedom of speech doesnt mean to divide the entire world between muslims and non-muslims,thats what the news paper did. They created the same situation as it was on 9-11 .

If you are suggesting that printing a rather tasteless cartoon is in some way analogous to murdering several thousand people - including muslims - in one fell swoop, then I really pity you, and your (lack of) intelligence.

D-Unti (dodo) is danish national ,can anyone of you beat her up ,but remember she has expertise in martial arts.

Dodo Bi(t)ch where are u , lost somewhere in Dubai? I miss u :0) . When are you coming back to Denmark. DK and especially your shop is deserted without u ..........Dont tell me that you have initiated " Bycott DK's product" in Middle east

secretdubai wrote:Freedom of speech doesnt mean to divide the entire world between muslims and non-muslims,thats what the news paper did. They created the same situation as it was on 9-11 .

If you are suggesting that printing a rather tasteless cartoon is in some way analogous to murdering several thousand people - including muslims - in one fell swoop, then I really pity you, and your (lack of) intelligence.

Being Muslim we believe that killing one innocent person is like killing humanity :0) . We always condem killing regardless if it is the blood of muslim or non muslim :0). So there is no debate on it , so why are u trying to relate it with 9-11 ? Am i clear off? I told u earlier that we even provided air and ground space to USA to hunt down so called terror ,or whatsoever.

Having said that

Now i say

News papers must realize their responsibility toward society and they shouldt divide the world in two group " Muslims and western".


If you are more dumb then lets take an example (guide for dummies):

some people ,personality has respect in different societies , cultures , religions so and so. May be i dont have respect for British Queen but i wouldnt say anything about her because i know our british fellow will consider it disrespect ........
In same way , we wouldnt write anything bad about jesus , we know lot lot of people in this world are sensitive about him.
Indian worship their gods and i dont have right to make fun of them .

Bycott is fair

I know that arla is innocent but how do you build pressure on another country ? Countries dont have conscience, country is not individual , so in order to make them that they were on mistake , we have to do some tricks:0) . USA impose sanction against countries .......for example they imposed sanction against Libya and then libya had to accept the terms of US.....Whats was the fault of all people ? were everyone responsible ? NO .......but thats the way sweety:0)

In order to teach the lesson to DK , there was one way and it was to bycott their products and now see

1= Their news paper offered appology (after 3 months) ,why it happened because they are suffering from loss.

2= The anti immigrants lady silent , she is not even making a little statement. She know people will curse that because of her we are having loss.

3= Prime Minister 's speech was translated in arabic ,why he realized that ?because of bycott :0).

4= Danish industry sent letter to concerning news paper ........

next time they will think 101 times before doing anything like that :0)

HP - interesting to note that your command of the English Lang has undergone a remarkable improvement over the last week.

HP wrote:

secretdubai wrote:Freedom of speech doesnt mean to divide the entire world between muslims and non-muslims,thats what the news paper did. They created the same situation as it was on 9-11 .

If you are suggesting that printing a rather tasteless cartoon is in some way analogous to murdering several thousand people - including muslims - in one fell swoop, then I really pity you, and your (lack of) intelligence.

Being Muslim we believe that killing one innocent person is like killing humanity :0) . We always condem killing regardless if it is the blood of muslim or non muslim :0). So there is no debate on it , so why are u trying to relate it with 9-11 ? Am i clear off? I told u earlier that we even provided air and ground space to USA to hunt down so called terror ,or whatsoever.

Having said that

Now i say

News papers must realize their responsibility toward society and they shouldt divide the world in two group " Muslims and western".


If you are more dumb then lets take an example (guide for dummies):

some people ,personality has respect in different societies , cultures , religions so and so. May be i dont have respect for British Queen but i wouldnt say anything about her because i know our british fellow will consider it disrespect ........
In same way , we wouldnt write anything bad about jesus , we know lot lot of people in this world are sensitive about him.
Indian worship their gods and i dont have right to make fun of them .

Bycott is fair

I know that arla is innocent but how do you build pressure on another country ? Countries dont have conscience, country is not individual , so in order to make them that they were on mistake , we have to do some tricks:0) . USA impose sanction against countries .......for example they imposed sanction against Libya and then libya had to accept the terms of US.....Whats was the fault of all people ? were everyone responsible ? NO .......but thats the way sweety:0)

In order to teach the lesson to DK , there was one way and it was to bycott their products and now see

1= Their news paper offered appology (after 3 months) ,why it happened because they are suffering from loss.

2= The anti immigrants lady silent , she is not even making a little statement. She know people will curse that because of her we are having loss.

3= Prime Minister 's speech was translated in arabic ,why he realized that ?because of bycott :0).

4= Danish industry sent letter to concerning news paper ........

next time they will think 101 times before doing anything like that :0)

well said...

HP.... Well man, you spoke well

The boycott is working, but I still don't feel it's gone far enough.... it shouldn't stop, at least not yet. Danes are involved in a lot more than just dairy products....

I strongly believe this is going to be a very long term boycott, the level of racism in Denmark against Muslim is very high at all levels in the Dane society.

And I've never heard a more pathetic appology in my life, I wouldn't even call it an appology. The newspaper only added further insult with its half hearted appology.

The newspaper should have clearly stated that their "sole" intention was to insult Muslim and further add to the racial divide between Danes and Muslim in Denmark.

I should also add that "79% of the Danish population believe that no apology for the cartoons in Jyllands-Posten is due." http://www.arlafoods.com/APPL/HJ/HJ202COM/HJ202D01.NSF/O/B0262AFFD7FEAAE5C12571060028F056


Nordic firm hit by Arab boycott

The Danish-Swedish dairy giant Arla Foods says its sales in the Middle East have plummeted to zero as a result of a row over cartoons published in Denmark.
The firms said it had to lay off 100 people because of the fall in demand.

The row began when a Danish newspaper published a series of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, some of them depicting him as a terrorist.

Anger against Denmark is continuing to grow across the Middle East, despite an apology offered by the newspaper.

Arla Foods, one of Europe's biggest dairy companies, is being hardest hit by a boycott of Danish products across the region.

The company has annual sales of $480m there.


"Our sales in the Middle East have come to a complete stop - in all countries in the region," company spokeswoman Astrid Gade Niels told the BBC.

No government apology

At the weekend, Arla placed adverts in Middle-Eastern newspapers to try to dissociate itself from the caricatures.

The cartoons sparked outrage in the Muslim world, where depictions of the Prophet Muhammad or Allah are banned.

On Monday the newspaper that published the caricatures, Jyllands-Posten, said: "These cartoons were not in violation of Danish law but have irrefutably offended many Muslims, and for that we apologise."

The Danish Prime Minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, welcomed the apology - but again defended the freedom of the press.

"The Danish government cannot apologise on behalf of a Danish newspaper... Independent media are not edited by the government," he said.

Besides boycotts, the backlash has also included diplomatic sanctions and Islamic militant threats.

The Danish foreign ministry advised against non-essential travel to Saudi Arabia and urged Danes to be cautious in other Muslim countries.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4666298.stm

May the wrath of God bear upon those bastards for their blasphemy...

God is Great and He will give us justice.

Muslims will not keep silent. Our dignity has been taken away from us time and time again, we have gone from being the envy of the planet years ago to being marionettes today.... No more!

May this boycvott last, may they feel our anger.... They will RESPECT US.

Of all the boycotts I've read about, it's only butter, cheese and other dairy products that are affected...!!


Is this boycott of food enough?


The insults against the Prophet would in no way affect him or his message. The Prophet was protect by God until he spread his message the world over.

The Danish paper didn't attack the Prophet, it attacked Muslims dignity as a whole and it is a must to take futher action to protect the dignity of Muslims in future.


It's curious how when our dignity is offended our first reaction is to think about our stomachs??!! If boycotting butter is all that becomes of this insult, then further ridicule of us (not the Prophet) in cartoons is in order. The people that stopped eating butter when their dignity was offended..!


What is needed is stronger action that affects Denmarks policies toward Muslims. A duel respect of each others belief and faith. Neither should trample of the others dignity.

To be honest, I cannot see Denmarks Government taking any serious action on their part... It's time Muslims looked beyond their "stomacks" for other Danish products to Boycott..... (I've made it eaiser for you all by posting a list of Danish Products)

yshimy wrote:"A Danish company said two of its workers were assaulted in Mecca."

This is on the article of the seven days.

Quick analsys, If they are in Mecca, it means they are Muslims, and then will not be attacked, as they will yell "La illah illa allah)
If the are not Muslims, then they will not be in Mecca and this news will be a FABRICATION.

Cheers

Yshimy,

I'm amazed at your narrow mindedness! So you say that a muslim would never attack another muslim? Yeah right OK, it's happened time and time again and don't automatically assume things will be a fabrication. I think you look at the world through rose tinted glasses. And my point about the Iraqi guys, who ever they are is that they're inciting violence against the Danes - that was my only point! After several people were saying that it would all be peaceful! It doesn't matter where they are, they're advocating and promoting the attacks on them - which is not on!

Liban wrote:May the wrath of God bear upon those bastards for their blasphemy...

God is Great and He will give us justice.

Muslims will not keep silent. Our dignity has been taken away from us time and time again, we have gone from being the envy of the planet years ago to being marionettes today.... No more!

May this boycvott last, may they feel our anger.... They will RESPECT US.

Liban, Respect has to be earnt, not forced upon people or demanded!

Anyway this topic is really boring now.

According to news wires this morning the Danish offices of the newspaper were evacuated last night due to a bomb threat - great so now another fantastic image for you to think about! This does nothing to undo the image that many muslims when faced with something they don't like, are violent and aggressive!

Once again - well done!

The west is decant and corrupt. If its the sabre that they understand, then in their belly the sabre will go.

Chocoholic wrote:According to news wires this morning the Danish offices of the newspaper were evacuated last night due to a bomb threat - great so now another fantastic image for you to think about! This does nothing to undo the image that many muslims when faced with something they don't like, are violent and aggressive!

Once again - well done!

They deserve a fate much worse than a simple bomb threat....

Liban,

Exactly my point! People would have a lot more respect for you if you were calm about the topic, but when you spout things like that and encourage violence, you then turn around in total surprise when people turn against you!

You'll never understand! Go ahead and blame the future generations for the past, there's nothing we can do about it, but you're obviously too ignorant to understand this concept.

Grow up and start acting like a human being who shares this place with lots of others, instead of being arrogant and thinking you're above everyone else, because you're not! You're just petty and give yourself and others a bad name!

The way you harp on about people will get theirs - blah blah blah, there's only one place for you! And it isn't up!

Once again a Westerner who doesn't understand our culture has spoken.... All hail the mightly Westerner...

Well honestly, what do you expect, when all you preach is hatred, yes blow up those who cross you, is it any wonder?

I have no care for people who if they don't get their own way, throw their toys out the pram and think violence is an answer!

Islam and true Muslims are peacing loving, tolerant people - nothing like you! Who twists and turns everything little thing and ends up crying when someone talks against you, you're a disgrace to the Muslim friends I have who certainly wouldn't side with you!

I care little for your words and what you call me.... You obviously do not understand our anger... Very few in the West understand...

I shake my head and pity those that do not understand....

Look at the headline of news paper

Honourable Fellow Citizens of the Muslim World

Hahahahah , i remember ,this news paper always used to call terror to muslims .............but boycott did lot of tricks and now the media and government have changed the tone of their voice and first time realize " world exist beyound Denmark".



choco

can u avoid posting your views when you dont know about religion and culture sensitivity? In order to discuss why E= mc(sqr) ,u must have background in math and physics. In the same way ,in order to discuss religion ,you must be qualified enough to write a response. So dont make fool of yourself by argument for the sake of argument policy:)