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DeeDee wrote:well said burton. Having said that though, I am a filipina, raised in NZ and Australia since I was 4. I married an Aussie and consider myself Aussie. And whilst I do get some curious looks (from other filipinos mainly) because I have a 'western' husband, it bothers me a bit, that somehow I fit into that 'filipina with foreign man' stereotype that SCY portrays...

Thanks Dee, and btw, nice to meet you.

Like you say, the 'Filipina with foreign boyfriend/husband' is a cultural phenomena, a 'syndrome' perhaps! There is no point in trying to deny this. But the reasons are very obvious and very straightforward. There is no mystery involved...

But look, while we are talking about it quite candidly, yeah I admit it! If or when I see some ancient-looking 'typical' western-expat-bloke with a 'I love Cebu' T-shirt (let's go for the whole stereotype!) with some nubile(!) young Filipina (another stereotype, I know), of course I think to myself ''yep, that's a bit lame!''

Harmless. Not exactly doing anyone the greatest harm but yeah, kind of lame - you know what I mean, everyone does. You cringe a little bit, have a private momentary giggle. We all do it...

But this is the worst example of its kind. There are thousands of relationships that bear nothing in common with the example I deliberately painted above. And as such, they shouldn't be subject to such blanket statements as the ones I've come across in this thread...

I am not an avid fan of fisking style post. Burton, I understand why you have reacted this way. I should have linked the thread posted by a forumer in the Romance forum. My bad I didn’t correctly quote the title of the thread, which is “Filipina in Dubai Looked Cheap”, instead I wrote Filipina look cheap with foreigners. To make it clear, I was referring or pointing out a thread in romance forum, and for sassy to get it straight how some people in Dubai viewed Filipinas this way.

I was pointing a fact that people (Filipinos or not) in Dubai have this kind of impression towards Filipina. And coming here in Dubai to find a foreign boyfriend will only add to taint the reputation of Filipinas.

We should understand the underlying reasons why people have this kind of say or impression towards Filipinas, because maybe they’re right based on their experiences and based on what they’ve witnessed. How many Filipinas went back home pregnant from a foreign boyfriend? Or How about Filipinas who are now in jail, because of having an illicit affair with foreigners? How many Filipinas became prey and victim of abuse in the hands of foreigners? I’ve seen a lot of them and they’ve been warned. I’ve seen the worst of pinays in the hands of foreigners. And who would most likely be a victim? Who would most likely be a prey? I think you know the answers.

Having said all these, it is uncalled for you to call me an ignorant. Did I name call you?

Being a Filipina, it is evident that we are family oriented people. Just like anyone else, it irritates me to see married Filipinas having an affair with foreigners. Why? These kinds of ladies are materialistic and not contented with what their Filipino husband can bring home for the family to share, so they seek greener pastures for the family but ending having an affair with a foreigner. They are thinking that foreign men can satisfy their materialistic desires, and these materialistic desires add to besmirch our reputation. And of course, I too am aware with what’s going on with pinays having an affair with fellow married Filipinos. Since I have reacted to sassy’s post of her getting bigger chances of having a foreign bf here in Dubai, then we have to limit the topic to Filipinas in the hands of foreigners.

I’ve read your reply to Deedee, and I have to agree that it is partly a social stigma.

When I first came to Dubai, I’ve noticed how foreigners treat us upfront. I wonder why? I’ve not done anything flirtatious act, but why I was being “bastos” or treated badly? I felt insulted when a foreigner gave a remark that Filipinas are just worth a mobile phone. See? Why they’ve said that? Because some are worth a mobile phone only, materialistic and cheap.

The reason why I’ve suggested you to do an assignment is that Filipino culture per se is in itself diverse. There are liberated pinays raised in the US or in western countries; the conservative Filipino-chinese descent; and Filipinas coming from certain Islands back home have different social background than those of the Luzon areas. Hence, we clash when it comes to this issue. It has been advised by the Philippine Embassy here in UAE to all Filipinos to behave and to conduct themselves accordingly and not by degrading the Filipino community (Can’t count the cases handled by Phil Embassy due to flirtatious,s.luti.ness and cheap kabayans). A rotten tomato should be removed as not to rot the rest of the healthy tomatoes inside the basket.

I hope this will serve an eye opener for Filipinas out there, who are dreaming of coming to Dubai to find a foreign boyfriend. The very reason of coming to Dubai is to work, to showcase your skills and to earn a living. We should earn a living based on what the companies are paying to us, earning a living that will make the entire Filipinos proud, and not by finding a foreign boyfriend and used them.

We should carry our values everywhere we go. My two fils..

+ 100 for SCY!!!!!

SCY wrote:I am not an avid fan of fisking style post. Burton, I understand why you have reacted this way. I should have linked the thread posted by a forumer in the Romance forum. My bad I didn’t correctly quote the title of the thread, which is “Filipina in Dubai Looked Cheap”, instead I wrote Filipina look cheap with foreigners. To make it clear, I was referring or pointing out a thread in romance forum, and for sassy to get it straight how some people in Dubai viewed Filipinas this way.

I was pointing a fact that people (Filipinos or not) in Dubai have this kind of impression towards Filipina. And coming here in Dubai to find a foreign boyfriend will only add to taint the reputation of Filipinas.

We should understand the underlying reasons why people have this kind of say or impression towards Filipinas, because maybe they’re right based on their experiences and based on what they’ve witnessed. How many Filipinas went back home pregnant from a foreign boyfriend? Or How about Filipinas who are now in jail, because of having an illicit affair with foreigners? How many Filipinas became prey and victim of abuse in the hands of foreigners? I’ve seen a lot of them and they’ve been warned. I’ve seen the worst of pinays in the hands of foreigners. And who would most likely be a victim? Who would most likely be a prey? I think you know the answers.

Having said all these, it is uncalled for you to call me an ignorant. Did I name call you?

Being a Filipina, it is evident that we are family oriented people. Just like anyone else, it irritates me to see married Filipinas having an affair with foreigners. Why? These kinds of ladies are materialistic and not contented with what their Filipino husband can bring home for the family to share, so they seek greener pastures for the family but ending having an affair with a foreigner. They are thinking that foreign men can satisfy their materialistic desires, and these materialistic desires add to besmirch our reputation. And of course, I too am aware with what’s going on with pinays having an affair with fellow married Filipinos. Since I have reacted to sassy’s post of her getting bigger chances of having a foreign bf here in Dubai, then we have to limit the topic to Filipinas in the hands of foreigners.

I’ve read your reply to Deedee, and I have to agree that it is partly a social stigma.

When I first came to Dubai, I’ve noticed how foreigners treat us upfront. I wonder why? I’ve not done anything flirtatious act, but why I was being “bastos” or treated badly? I felt insulted when a foreigner gave a remark that Filipinas are just worth a mobile phone. See? Why they’ve said that? Because some are worth a mobile phone only, materialistic and cheap.

The reason why I’ve suggested you to do an assignment is that Filipino culture per se is in itself diverse. There are liberated pinays raised in the US or in western countries; the conservative Filipino-chinese descent; and Filipinas coming from certain Islands back home have different social background than those of the Luzon areas. Hence, we clash when it comes to this issue. It has been advised by the Philippine Embassy here in UAE to all Filipinos to behave and to conduct themselves accordingly and not by degrading the Filipino community (Can’t count the cases handled by Phil Embassy due to flirtatious,s.luti.ness and cheap kabayans). A rotten tomato should be removed as not to rot the rest of the healthy tomatoes inside the basket.

I hope this will serve an eye opener for Filipinas out there, who are dreaming of coming to Dubai to find a foreign boyfriend. The very reason of coming to Dubai is to work, to showcase your skills and to earn a living. We should earn a living based on what the companies are paying to us, earning a living that will make the entire Filipinos proud, and not by finding a foreign boyfriend and used them.

We should carry our values everywhere we go. My two fils..

SCY

Since you have an aversion to 'fisking', fine - no more fisking. I actually had no idea what the term meant so I had to wiki it. I guess you learn something new everyday...

My 'problem' is simply this; it seems to me that you are not just saying 'this is what many Filipinos think'. It seems very much the case that you are also saying 'and this is what I think' i.e., the view that Filipinas with foreigners are cheap has merit, has validity. That you are endorsing it.

I mean, c'mon, if you had said ''sadly, this is what many people tend to think, right or wrong" or even 'this is what many people think and to be fair, there are some reasons behind it" - do you really think I would be so offended. Of course not. But again, sorry to say but I have nasty suspicion that the view is your own.

So then, let me ask you straight. Of course, you have no obligation to answer but I would be interested to know. What do you think? In your own opinion, are the vast majority of Filipinas who marry/date foreigners cheap? Are they, as a general rule, 'sluts'?

I have already said that I myself, along with many others, often have reservations when I see couples that somehow fit the stereotype at its worst. And that this is quite a natural reaction. But this is very different to endorsing the statement as a general, blanket condemnation.

So again, back to the question - 'what do you think?' You see my girlfriend and I walking in Ibn Battutta, sitting in Chowking (!), heavens forbid even a 'Filipino <gasp!> nightclub' - in short, doing all the myriad things which everyone ellse does, just minding our own business - and do you automatically raise your eyebrows and say to your friend 'oh god, what a slutt dating a foreigner' and 'oh dear, what a typical foreign man dating a cheap pinay'? Does your friend shake her head in agreement and sigh plaintively with a heavy heart? Is this you?

Because if it is, of course I 'have a problem' with it! Who wouldn't?

Lastly, c'mon SCY - you have to grow a thicker skin. I mean, you can't have it both ways. I didn't actually call you ignorant or superior but yes, I certainly said that your posts sound ignorant and exude a sense of superiority - on this topic at least. But look, if you feel that those remarks were uncalled for, then I apologize - I'm sorry and, sincerely so.

But, I'm just surprised that someone who comes out with the statements that you have made and therefore, practically - to all intents and purposes -endorses them (this is the point after all right?) can take such offense...

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I dunno if ur aware, but one of the major reasons for this kind of attitude towards filipinas ( by a few people not all)i think is angeles city.

oohhh i never thought that many would react to my statement about the foreigner bf thing i was just JOKING i don't need a foreigner bf to be wealthy. sorry, but I AM NOT THAT TYPE! i have my GOD to bless meeh. but i am surprised to know that filipinas with foreigner bf look cheap in dubai. huh?! what the!!! hehehehe. ofcourse my main reason for going to dubai is to find a JOB JOB JOB!
for me,if the filipina is single and her foreigner bf is also single there's nuthin wrong with that.if her intention is not only because of material or financial security,i dont think it will be cheap.well, who cares about what other people think!you know yourself better than anybody else.but i can't blame others who think that way,because there were some filipinas who had an affair with foreigners, used them just because of financial reasons. whew! :?

SCY wrote:

.:.sassy_kc.:. wrote:

burton wrote:Hi sassy.

I am from the UK.
I was born in London but I also grew up in Dubai. My gf is from Davao.

ohh. if i go to dubai, i have a better chnace to have a foreigner bf! lolz

Not funny! if only you know the mentality of people here about filipinas in general...

Oh well your true intention in coming to Dubai is so obvious. Ikakahiya ka ni Gabriella Silang. Ang tawag nila sa pinay na ganyan ay cheap. Change your mindset please.

what makes you think that's my intention?sorry but you're 101% wrong!. work is my OBVIOUS INTENTION. hehehehe. im sick and tired of men,they are mean ohh but not all. wether filipino or foreigner. white or black,asian or european or arabian indian persian,whatevah! it depends on the person.

burton wrote:

.:.sassy_kc.:. wrote:

burton wrote:Hi sassy.

I am from the UK.
I was born in London but I also grew up in Dubai. My gf is from Davao.

ohh. if i go to dubai, i have a better chnace to have a foreigner bf! lolz

Well, to be honest, that's probably true...but I'm not sure if that should be your main priority! What happened to your job?? lol...

Anyway sassy, remember that 'the grass is not always greener'. You might end up with some boring guy who can't dance, can't sing, who only loves to drink in the pub....and worst of all, hates the smell/sight of baguong!! Then where would you be??



(me? resorting to stereotypes? never!!!)

ahahaha. you make me laugh.ohh a drunkard?! whew!!! that will give me a headache! hhmmm, i mizz baguong!!" the grass is not always greener" only to discover it's a fake grass. hehe. i believe in what you've said. it's true.

Anyway, I think we all got our relative points across.

Lets all hug and be friends.

DeeDee wrote:Anyway, I think we all got our relative points across.

Lets all hug and be friends.

Sounds like good advice

Burton, I’ve pointed out a thread but it doesn’t mean I’ve endorsed it. It was more on pointing out a reality that some people think otherwise, and yes unwelcome by some. In fact, it should serve a warning for us Filipinas not to be easy and too trusting. Filipinos fun loving nature has been taken advantage by some foreigners, but I can’t blame the latter for we, Filipinos allowed these things to happened to us. I can’t deny that those unpleasant actions of Filipinas and actions of foreigners done to Filipinas irk my sensitivity. I felt sad for Filipinas who tend to give up their ideals in exchange for materialistic desires.

If I didn’t react to sassy’s post, I think she will not retract her statement. But then, I appreciate her defense tactic – treating it a joke.

Since you have asked about my opinion, I think I’ve stated them; however, I would like to reiterate that I was not generalizing. I didn’t say that having a foreign boyfriend is wrong; in fact, you have tried to push that I have that opinion.

One thing for sure, I don’t engross my eyes looking at Filipinas with foreigners, whether the guy is a boyfriend, husband or not, as there are more important things that I need to focus.

Jeevan, US Air Base was located in Angeles City before, and that city is full of clubs. More Filipinas are getting married to soldiers back then.

DeeDee, you consider yourself an aussie. Why are you affected in this issue?

SCY wrote:Jeevan, US Air Base was located in Angeles City before, and that city is full of clubs. More Filipinas are getting married to soldiers back then.

Yep i know:) but u know the nature of business right? i am not typecasting anyone its just that a few people mentioned this to me.

I have high respect for filipinos as hard workers, and down to earth people, as my company has quite a few of them:)

cheers,

J

Is my mom considered a s**t because she remarried to a british guy? oh my what about my 22 years old sister who is a product of their love, was she born an outcast just because she's got an english father??? whew!!! hmmm foreigners are pretty attractive, what shall we do filipinas?

Really? In what sense you find all foreigners attractive? Unless you carry the ideals of colonial mentality, and this i can understand.

Thank you very much for all your comments/reply regarding my post. I did finalize my package today so I will be looking to move in 2-3 months. I have also contacted some agency where we can hire house helps when we get to Dubai.

I will be working in the DIFC area so i'm might have to stay near the area although based on my conversation with the agent who will handle my move, I might have to pony up some money from my pocket because the housing allowance will not be enough to rent/buy 3-bed room space within the area.

To those who asked/wondering what my work is; I'm a sr equity/stocks and derivative trader here in wall street with 7 years experience. And some of you are right that package/salary like what I got is not very common specially for Filipinos. Even here in wall street, I can count filipino traders with my 10 fingers...mostly dominated by white americans but I think that it is changing.

In fact, a very good friend of mine is a very well followed and respected blogger/trader in the financial community here in US and all over the world. You can visit his blogsite at www.pinoytrader.blogspot.com

He is not interested in moving to Dubai but he might visit the place when I get there.

Well let me be the first to congratulate you!

I'm glad you were being serious about the package,
I was serious about the tour guide offer!

Congratulations Aninox! Have a safe trip to Dubai and hope you will enjoy your stay here.

Well, there are many ways, do I need to specify?

Sure, go ahead. My pleasure to refute them afterwards.

You have to be sure that you think 100 times before joting them down, and make sure it will not reflect your 'category' in an open forum.

Mabuhay!

SCY wrote:Really? In what sense you find all foreigners attractive? Unless you carry the ideals of colonial mentality, and this i can understand.

Do I need to specify? Just like the Filipinos they also have their unique qualities that make them attractive

Hmmmm first off congrats aninox, I’m working in a similar field, who knows our paths my cross one day. You’re right in that package, although higher than average is not totally foreign I know people in Dubai making more, sadly I’m not one of them

As for the last thread jacking, being someone currently in an interracial relationship in Dubai I found the read pretty interesting. Many people at first glance assume that Mrs. Fayz is after me because of her nationality and mine and my lineage, she also ages way better than I so looks about a decade younger although we’re the same age. The reality is that Mrs. Fayz has whacks more coin than I and when we first started dating her salary was higher than mine. SCY what you know about Filipinas in Dubai is as much as +50 year old Caucasian who likes to brag about owning an island.

Could be a mate of Captain Obvious'

Fayz,

I am more on the safe side of Filipinos especially Filipinas. Maybe you can't relate to any unfortunate things that happened to us, for you are not Filipino yourself. I don't know how you find this as me bragging Or maybe way too dragging.

It may be a harsh reality, but it's a reality that has to be accepted, Filipinas has been stigmatized especially in this matter. And it's a stigma that has been compounded by several actions that Filipinas undertake just to get out of their poor/average life.

E.G.
- prevalent Filipina japanese entertainers in Japan
- Korea mail order brides

These are cases that our "Kababayan" willingly accepts for a quick buck. There's a difference between a victim and a "willing" victim. Women who tries to rationalize their actions bye saying that "they have to sacrifice, for them to have a good life" is spouting nothing but bullsh*it! In reality they don't wwant to sacrifice blood, sweat and tears, but just want the easy way out.

So is the stigma justified? I reckon it is.

But with this fact, it also has to be accepted, that not all interracial relationships is borne out of circumstances like these. So all those born out og mutual like or love, cheers to you for finding your mate!

Fayz,

I do hope our paths will cross in DIFC. We might be taking each other's side of the trade already.

im thinking the kid might have been misinterpreted.. it was like saying will I get a blonde babe when I come to Sweden? - - cant blame her about getting excited, afterall it will be so much different once she gets here.

sassy pagdating mo dito, pick ur fave color

as to filipinas working as entertainer, you can also see us all over the globe working as nurse, teacher, nanny, engineers, sales ladies, programmers, seamen etc.. sadly, this because our govt fails to provide jobs and so we find ways to prosper.

yes its true, they do look cheap. i am filipino, and been living in dubai for 13 years now. i graduated elementary, high school, college here in dxb. and all i can say is that the majority of filipinas who has bf's that arent filipino's just uses them for something (mostly financially) and the foreign bf uses them for their body and companionship. not all really, but most. id say 70%, pretty sad and emabarassing on our part imho

I doubt you are a Filipino -xero. Your posting style alone is way too far from being a Filipino, unless you were educated here and you were taught to spell filipino's or bilipino - in this way when referring to us, Filipinos.

Dai, MOBs are not just bound for Korea. They're bound to Australia, Europe and mostly the US (as per USCIS research). There are Russian MOBs also. I actually had no idea about MOB not until i was able to pick (from the fish bowl that our professor passed around before the semester starts) the subject for my research in my sociology course way back college days.

Most of the girls who they considered to be MOB are clueless that they're being called "MOB" with derogaroty connotations. Researchers refuted that there are no clear boundaries as to where we can consider a female marrying a foriegn bf whom they met online be MOB. As an advocate of feminist ideals, I was broken hearted doing a term paper about MOB.

xero_ wrote:all i can say is that the majority of filipinas who has bf's that arent filipino's just uses them for something (mostly financially) and the foreign bf uses them for their body and companionship. not all really, but most. id say 70%, pretty sad and emabarassing on our part imho

this is the first time i heard about filipinas being taken advantage financially- - there is no way u can get milk from chicken. what i mean is an average wage earner will not throw away money. unless she is rich which id say only 10% or even less.

i dont understand why u feel sad and embarrased about body and companionship? arent we all needed that?? what is sad and embarassing is not having one at all!!!