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Can you just tell me what it’s consequences would be in society?

IDK berrin.

What do you think would happen if homosexuality was legal in society ?

Most Western nations accept homosexuality. They seem to be doing fine....

It seems like the more societies progress, the more tolerant they become.

In any event, I don't think there will ever be a time in society when people are more openly homosexual than heterosexual. But with all the orphans there are in the world, I don't think we need to be worried about producing more children.

Why not adopt the ones already here ?

Besides, abortion, contraceptives and education (marrying later, etc) has probably reduced the population more than homosexual activity.

Do you ever have the mind power/ability to escalate further to think of consequences when negligence goes beyond ones boundary?

What happens in your home stays in your home is a pretty good rule for me.

Why do you think two Gays will negatively affect society ? They don't have a family to corrupt ....

And if you want to cite stats, by any objectionable measure, it could be argued that 'Chavs' and Pakistani immigrants in Britain, Blacks in the US, Armenians in Turkey and Lebanon, Turks and Kurds in Germany, Roma in Europe and Copts in Egypt have a greater overall negative effect in society than homosexuals do. Only AIDs and other diseases seem to be associated with gays, and that's just gay men, while homelessness, violent crime, welfare, etc., are not issues associated with gays.

But I agree with you, Gay men adopting children is something I'm uncomfortable with. Ditto with getting 'former' women pregnant so they can start a family.

Well eh - may I ask you why YOU think God is against homose.xuality in most religious disciplines? The Bible and Quran are clear on this point.

Until recently, much of your country and certainly my country outlawed homose.xuality.

Why did they do that? Was God/the USA intolerant in the past- what has changed since?

On a personal level, I have a lot of sympathy with the 'what happens in your bedroom is your business' view and quite happily live by this rule myself when it comes to judging others (its a bit like - 'don't ask, don't tell'). Just like I have a personal rule that I won't steal - it is a code I follow regardless of any external laws.

But I personally don't have a good answer to those who say - God forbids homos.exuality and He knows best. What is your answer to that?

Cheers,
Shafique

My guess is that the Bible doesn't have a concept of homosexuality.

Homosexuality, as we know it and apply it today, is a modern construct with a different understanding now of relationships between the same sexes to the time when the Bible was revealed - in the New Testament period, homosexuality wasn't an issue of two consenting adults in a 'loving' relationship who keep to themselves but was between a man and a boy in a master/slave context or sometimes associated with Paganism or lewd behavior in the bath houses.

event horizon wrote:My guess is that the Bible doesn't have a concept of homosexuality.

You've got me there eh. I didn't expect that one.

But humour me, are these following verses not from the Bible? In what way are they an out-dated concept of homo-s.exuality?

Leviticus 18:22

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus: 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

1 Kings 14:24

And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

And there are even passages in the NT, eg:
1Timothy 1:10

For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Are these verses not clearly saying that s.ex between two men is an abomination?

And the Church in the past has been pretty clear on the subject - it is a sin. Were they wrong?

Cheers,
Shafique

Are these verses not clearly saying that s.ex between two men is an abomination?

Did I not clearly say that the ancient world's understanding of homosexuality is different from our understanding of it ?

Good grief. Learn to read and digest material.

eh, look at my post again, I quoted what you said about the Bible and then quoted from the Bible. The Bible is pretty clear about the concept of Homos.exuality that it is calling an abomination. I think you are grasping at straws if you are arguing that there weren't loving stable homos.exual relationships when the Bible was written - yet the Bible calls the act of s.ex between men an abomination, and the Church forbade this act (not just Gay bars and parades, but the act).


I also asked you above (in the post you replied to):

shafique wrote:Well eh - may I ask you why YOU think God is against homose.xuality in most religious disciplines? The Bible and Quran are clear on this point.

Until recently, much of your country and certainly my country outlawed homose.xuality.

Why did they do that? Was God/the USA intolerant in the past- what has changed since?
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But I personally don't have a good answer to those who say - God forbids homos.exuality and He knows best. What is your answer to that?

So, has God changed his mind? How can you tell which parts of the Bible are 'stuck in the past' and should now be ignored? (serious question)

Cheers,
Shafique