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event horizon · Feb 10, 2010

Koran 65:4 - And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death] . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

rudeboy · Feb 10, 2010

event horizon wrote:
Koran 65:4 - And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death] . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

eerrr this is surah al talaaq :S lol what has surah al talaaq got to do with phedophiles???? Have you actually read the quran? and the reason for this surah??

event horizon · Feb 11, 2010

Do you think it's wrong to marry pre-pubescent girls?

rudeboy · Feb 11, 2010

you havent answered my question nor have you shown me a verse from the quran that goes on about phedophile. Do my task first and then i will answer your question.

lol you get cornered and then you put the question on me. Nice try mate

but it doesnt work like that.

event horizon · Feb 11, 2010

The passage I quoted is talking about marrying (or rather, the rules for divorcing) a pre-pubescent wife.

That's why I asked. Perhaps you don't see this as advocating pedophilia. Fair enough.

But do you see anything wrong with taking a child bride?

shafique · Feb 11, 2010

Avoiding YET another question eh - how long is the list now? I'm sure I'm losing count:

1. Do you believe in Rapture?
2. Do you condemn Goldstein as a religiously based terrorist?
3. Where are the verses from the Talmud in relation to your allegation against the Quran?
4. Will you ever look for Muslim terrorist convert number 5?
5. Does your Bible contain Matthew's words which absolve Pilate of the responsibility for killing Jesus...

etc etc

rudeboy · Feb 12, 2010

hori no I will not take a child bride nor do I encourage it.

You initially said that Muhammad (pbuh) was a phedophile.

Ok first lets try to analyse the word phedophile. "Pedophile: also spelled PEDOPHILIA, psychosexual disorder in which an adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical pedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult." Encyclopedia Britannica"

In short a phedophile would only have a thing or two for children ONLY. Ok.

Ok lets look at Muhammads (pbuh) wifes and see whether he really was a phedophile or not.

Khadija bint khawilad 40 Twice widowed before
Sauda Bint Zama 50 Widow
Aisha bint Abu Bakr 9 Started living with the prophet at the age of 9.
Hafsa Bint Umar bin Khattab 22 Widow
Zainab bint Khuzaima 30
Umm-I-Salma bint Abu Umayia 26 Widow
Zainab Bint Jahash 38 Widow
Juwaeria Bint Harith 20 Widow
Umm-I-Habiba bint Abu Sufyan 36 Widow
Marya Qibtiya bint shamun 17 Virgin, Egyptian
Safia bint Hayi bin Akhtab 17 Widow
Raihana bint umru bin hanafa Not available
Maimuna bint harith 36 Widow

75% of His wives were widows, 91% of his wives were 17 years & older.

The statistics show that the prophet’s marriage to Aisha (pbuh) at her young age was an exception and not a norm of his other marriages. Furthermore ‘a pedophile’s main mode of sexual satisfaction is with prepubescent girls’, which is contradictory to the 91% of prophet’s marriage to women 17 years and over. An unbiased examination of Prophet’s life and his marriages to his wives blatantly rejects the notion of his lifestyle fitting that of a pedophile.

Moving on, we all can agree that child abuse can have serious FUTURE consequences for the victims involved such as "Delays in physical growth, impaired language and cognitive abilities, and problems in personality development, learning, and behavior are common following instances of child abuse or neglect.Encyclopedia Britannica"

So if you research about the life of Aisha (pbuh), her personality, physical, mental and spiritual development are all contrary to that of an abused child. And its a shame that SICK and PERVETED human beings feel that Muhammad (pbuh) was a phedophile.

As for why Muhammad (pbuh) married her, I suggest you do some reading instead of copying from here and there.

event horizon · Feb 12, 2010

no I will not take a child bride nor do I encourage it.

But why not? The Koran allows for men in advanced years, like Muhammad, to take child brides and the prophet set the standard for all Muslims, for all times, to take child brides by marrying little Aisha.

But, I don't think you really answered my question - do you see anything wrong with marrying a preschooler?

Maybe you can finger paint with her?

rudeboy · Feb 13, 2010

event horizon wrote:
no I will not take a child bride nor do I encourage it.

But why not? The Koran allows for men in advanced years, like Muhammad, to take child brides and the prophet set the standard for all Muslims, for all times, to take child brides by marrying little Aisha.

But, I don't think you really answered my question - do you see anything wrong with marrying a preschooler?

Maybe you can finger paint with her?

horizon times have changed, what muhammad (pbuh) did was a LONG time ago. It was a exception a norm and a command from God.

If at that time I was alive, yes I would do it. But thats because at that time, girls were being burried alive and you had your slavery thing going on. So if I had to marry a child girl some 1000 years ago just to save her yes i would.

In this modern age, I dont think god is going to come to me and say go marry a child

. Times have changed, you dont have slaves nor do you have girls being burried alive.

Yes other so-called muslims including this Saudi guy did it, they will argue that well Muhammad (pbuh) did it so why cant we. If thats the case, then do EVERYTHING what Muhammad (pbuh) did which is to be a good muslim and to spread Islam. You cant say oh well I will choose what I will do and what I want do.

So in short I wouldnt in modern age but yes some 1000s years ago.

chevaliers-de-sion · Feb 14, 2010

A marriage like that of Mohammed to Aisha aged 8 yrs would result in a prison sentence and an entry on the s e x offenders register in the normal world but one must remember that this is the turd world and itis a normal way of life for these pagans

event horizon · Feb 14, 2010

You have to understand that marriage to prepubescent girls is allowed in the Koran - so, to be sensitive to all peoples, our Western laws should be accommodating for Muslims so they can marry the wee little ones.

rudeboy · Feb 14, 2010

and dont 4get to mention that a muslim cant have s e x with these wee little ones untill they reach puberty. suggest you mention the whole bit and not just bits from here and there

event horizon · Feb 14, 2010

Oh my bad - the Koran says that somewhere, right?

shafique · Feb 14, 2010

rudeboy wrote:and dont 4get to mention that a muslim cant have s e x with these wee little ones untill they reach puberty. suggest you mention the whole bit and not just bits from here and there

Now, now. If eh were to take the trouble and quote verses in context, his whole argument will disapear and then what will he do? :mrgreen:

Sometimes he does take the trouble to change words and delete others in a one-line reference - eg. he misquoted Theophanes saying that 7000 inhabitants of Caesarea were killed, and was exposed for deleting words in the excact quote and changing one word for another (Romans was changed to 'Inhabitants' and the words 'after a seven year siege' were deleted). So, I've learnt to double-check quotes given by the young lad.

Other times he quotes multiple translations of the same Quranic verse, doesn't give the reference to any of them and then tries to imply that they are different verses from the Quran. So, if you don't see a reference - you should smell a rat. Where you see a reference, check it out.

However, most of the time he's actually just having a laugh and cutting and pasting from some Orientalist website or other, so also bear that in mind that he may just be yanking your chain.

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon · Feb 15, 2010

Other times he quotes multiple translations of the same Quranic verse, doesn't give the reference to any of them and then tries to imply that they are different verses from the Quran. So, if you don't see a reference - you should smell a rat. Where you see a reference, check it out.

Well, I didn't really expect you to think that I was quoting different Koranic verses when I was just quoting different translations of one verse.

I thought that was pretty obvious - seeing as how I was discussing the different punishments for women who are guilty of 'whoredom' - one verse saying to confine a woman in her home for the rest of her life and another verse saying to lash women.

The translations I posted all said that women should be confined to their homes (so, logically, I thought it was obvious that others would see this as different translations of the same verse). I guess I must have forgotten about you, though.

To be fair, if I was discussing a contradiction between two verses, why would I post different translations of the same verse? Where exactly were the contradictions that you saw - since each verse commanded home confinement?

As I said, I should always keep in mind that what is obvious to others might not be obvious to you. I've suggested a 'crayon' option before, but it doesn't look like the admins here care about making it easier for you to understand what someone else posts.

Shame on them.

shafique · Feb 15, 2010

Yeah, I guess you thought it would be 'pretty obvious' that you had deliberately misquoted Theophanes by changing and deleting words.

Anyway, I hope you've learn't your lesson and won't go back to cutting and pasting quotes without giving the full references (and without modifying the quotes to suit your needs).

Cheers,
Shafique

rudeboy · Feb 15, 2010

event horizon wrote:
Other times he quotes multiple translations of the same Quranic verse, doesn't give the reference to any of them and then tries to imply that they are different verses from the Quran. So, if you don't see a reference - you should smell a rat. Where you see a reference, check it out.

Well, I didn't really expect you to think that I was quoting different Koranic verses when I was just quoting different translations of one verse.

I thought that was pretty obvious - seeing as how I was discussing the different punishments for women who are guilty of 'whoredom' - one verse saying to confine a woman in her home for the rest of her life and another verse saying to lash women.

The translations I posted all said that women should be confined to their homes (so, logically, I thought it was obvious that others would see this as different translations of the same verse). I guess I must have forgotten about you, though.

To be fair, if I was discussing a contradiction between two verses, why would I post different translations of the same verse? Where exactly were the contradictions that you saw - since each verse commanded home confinement?

As I said, I should always keep in mind that what is obvious to others might not be obvious to you. I've suggested a 'crayon' option before, but it doesn't look like the admins here care about making it easier for you to understand what someone else posts.

Shame on them.

seriously man you need to get out get on with your life, leave Islam alone and worry about your life. seriously i think all this Islam bashing is getting to your head

GreenTiger · Jul 11, 2010

It's not a question of whether the Koran says it is right or wrong or what Sharia Law says about it. Look at what is going on and just think of it in terms of basic right and wrong.

This is wrong. The father makes sells his daughter for 22K sick. I'm very open minded about a number of things but this is just plain wrong.

desertdudeshj · Jul 11, 2010

There is nothing to be opening minded about this GT, it is wrong. But ofcourse you seen there is no reasoning with the looney tunes. You can provide concrete undisputable proof, go to the ends of the earth whatever but they will keep on spinning like a broken record.

Its not the first time nor will be the last.

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