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berrin wrote:The Quran bans marriage before puberty and rejects the marriage of immature girls and boys as well as entrusting them with responsibilities.

shafique wrote:The Saudi authorities and the mother also have objections, so why do you think that the old guy is a better Muslim than the mother and the authorities that are looking into the matter? If it was clearly something that Islam encouraged - then surely the mother and authorities would not object.

I didn't see where the Koran bans marriage to little girls in the article you copy/pasted (in fact, my reading of the Koran allows marriage between Muslim men and pre-pubescent children). But, could you tell me how many wives the Koran allows for a husband to have and how many wives Muhammad had? Let's see if your argument of 'it's not in the Koran' first passes the smell test. I also understand the issue of concubinage is a different story altogether - Ali had four wives but somewhere around 16 concubines at the time of his death.

Since you have very clearly quoted numerous verses from the Quran, and thus appealed to it as your source for rules about marriage [as I would expect any good Muslim to do], please comment on the following that you may have overlooked before:

65:4 - Hilali-Khan trans. - "And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]. And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allâh and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him."

"Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl at this age but it is permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Qur’an has held as permissible." (Maududi vol.5 p.620)

Considering all of the above information, Osama, I have one simple question for you and wonder if you will answer: Do you believe it is your right as a Muslim to marry a prepubescent girl?

Regarding rules for having sexual intercourse with Ma malakat aymanukum, a man may not have sexual intercourse with a female slave belonging to his wife.[2] Neither may he have relations with a female slave if she is co-owned. He may have sex with a female captive who was already married prior to captivity.[3]

If the female slave has a child by her master, she then receives the title of "Ummul Walad" (lit. Mother of the child), which is an improvement in her status as she can no longer be sold and is legally freed upon the death of her master. The child, by default, is born free due to the father (i.e., the master) being a free man. Although there is no limit on the number of concubines a master may possess, the general marital laws are to be observed, such as not having sexual relations with the sister of a female slave.[2][4]

People are told that if they do not have the means to marry free-women, they can marry, with the permission of their masters, slave-women who are Muslims and are also kept chaste. In such marriages, they must pay their dowers so that this could bring them gradually equal in status to free-women.[5][6]

Fornication (sexual intercourse between a man and a woman who are not married to each other) is regarded as an offence. Muhammad gave exemplary punishment to owners of brothels that were operated using their slave-women for such pleasures.[7] Muhammad also told people that they are all slaves/servants of Allah and so instead of using the words عَبْد (slave-man) and اَمَة (slave-woman), the words used should be فَتَى (boy/man) and فَتَاة (girl/woman) so that the psyche about them should change and a change is brought about in these age-old concepts.[8][6]

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

“My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me.”

Aisha brings her dolls with her when she moves into her husband's house.

The girl, from Qaseem province east of Riyadh, was married last September in return for a dowry of $22,600 (£14,174) paid to her father.
She and her mother had asked a court to annul the marriage on the grounds the girl had been raped.
But now the girl has withdrawn her petition, saying she wants to respect her father's wishes.
"I agree to the marriage. I have no objection. This is in filial respect to my father and obedience to his wish," she was quoted as telling the court by the Okaz newspaper.
The girl's situation was made public in January when a journalist from the Al-Riyadh newspaper encountered the girl, and she begged the reporter to save her.

Saudi Arabia has no law against child marriage, but in April last year the Justice Minister said there should be increased regulation to prevent parents "selling off" their children.
The minister was speaking after the marriage of an eight-year-old to a 60-year-old man.

rudeboy wrote:can someone who hates Islam and the Quran and its Prophet show me the word phedophile in the QURAN???

mesheditor wrote:I am surprised that many muslims on this thread trying so hard to impose their mind set on some western dudes talking from thier owns, come on folks, we accept Islam as the last and rightous religions of all and want to impose this, western mindsets cant accept these kinds of marriages. westerns also do the same thing by telling you that they are more humane that you and your religion , they wouldnt mind seeing thier own daughters running out of hands but you do. a typical perfect western marriage would start as newly hooked couples (boyfriend and girlfriend) , kids will follow after long prevention or several abortions but of course before marriage and that is absolutely an ordinary way of living. take it easy.

rudeboy wrote:can someone who hates Islam and the Quran and its Prophet show me the word phedophile in the QURAN???

event horizon wrote:

rudeboy wrote:can someone who hates Islam and the Quran and its Prophet show me the word phedophile in the QURAN???

The Koran allows pedophilia. Who am I to question what God allows?

melika969 wrote:

rudeboy wrote:can someone who hates Islam and the Quran and its Prophet show me the word phedophile in the QURAN???

QURAN doesn't have to say the exact word "phedophile", do u forget that it 's a book of SIGNS?