LizaMarie
Thats exactly what I was thinking, how can a tree grow in the absense of light.
This story is along the same lines when someone told they had found a kidney stone the size of a fottball :roll:
Chocoholic
I hear weird and wonderful stories every now and then, but this one really is amazing - and gross at the same time!
Astonished surgeons have removed a two-inch long fir tree growing inside a patient's lungs.
Fir tree sapling /Rex
Doctors thought Artyom Sidorkin, 28, had cancer when he began coughing up blood and complaining of agonising chest pains.
But as they operated to remove a tumour the medics were amazed to discover the perfectly formed spruce thriving inside the lung.
"I blinked three times and thought I was seeing things," said surgeon Vladimir Kamashev at Izhevsk Hospital in Russia.
Doctors believe that Artyom breathed in a tiny seed which then began growing in his lung and that the sharp pains were the plant's needle-like leaves digging into his lung.
"It was very painful. But to be honest I did not feel any foreign object inside me," he explained.
pinoy1
It could be the answer to living in Mars. Think about it, you dont need to inhale/exhale anymore. the exchange of O2 and C02 is happening in your lungs. :lol:
Chocoholic
Bit of a painful way to do it though! Ouch!
Snow
Imagine growing weed in there.
quatroporte
- Snow wrote:
Imagine growing weed in there.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
hahahahaha good one
Misery Called Life
- Snow wrote:
Imagine growing weed in there.
Just think of the possibilities......... :lol: :lol:
These Russians.......
Speedhump
how can a plant grow beyond the tinest sprout in the complete absence of light?
/
"During the earliest stages of plant growth, the first root, called the taproot, stretches downward into the soil in search of water and to establish a firm structural foundation for the plant. The root grows both by adding cells and by elongating cells that already exist. Before long, the root forms branches, which improve the plant's support system and its ability to absorb water from the soil.
Not long after the taproot has become established in the soil, the shoot, or stem, of the seedling begins to stretch upward in search of light. The time-lapse video of this reveals the seedlings' need for light: They bend first one way and then the next in what becomes a repetitive waving motion as they follow the sun's movement throughout the day.
So far, all of the energy that the plant requires for growth comes from food stored in the part of the seed called the endosperm. As the stem stretches skyward it carries with it what is left of the food stores in the endosperm. Before long, however, this food will be depleted and the plant will need to create its own food. To do this, the plant must first grow leaves."
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Leaves (or the many pine needles as shown in the picture) can't grow without light.
Yep I'm a killjoy but I'm on topic! :D
Bora Bora
It's amazing what some people will believe and never question.
mckenzie
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Bora Bora
^^^Talk about taking a thread off track!!^^^
Speedhump
you should have said off on a 'branch' line...
:D
Bora Bora
So the moral to the story is:
Don't hug a tree!!!
Speedhump
or don't sniff pine cones?
Chocoholic
Well here's a link, with an image of the tree inside the lung - so Neh!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/2339017/Tree-grows-inside-mans-lung
deadlife
now thts some greenhouse he got in there
what else do you think people can think of
like maybe in the future we are gonna see ads like"save the planet...grown a tree in your lungs and breath fresh air all your life with 3 years gurantee and life insurance if you die of it"
I bet chain smokers might be thinking of it
Speedhump
trees are the lungs of the planet they say.
chocs I could have made that picture in the meat section of the local supermarket!
Chocoholic
Considering it was distributed by Reuters, the international press agency, I don't doubt it's authenticity!
Speedhump
you think they took the picture?...surely they can be fooled like anyone ;)
RobbyG
- Speedhump wrote:
you think they took the picture?...surely they can be fooled like anyone ;)
You have issues with trust dude. AND conspiracy images in your thoughprocess....
Chocoholic
Whatever, it's not the first time a story like this has come up, and it won't be the last.
Keep on disbelieving things if you wish, but sometimes things just happen, there is no logical reason for it, it just does.
And considering it has been reported globally and in the medical word, there is reason to doubt it.
Speedhump
And you say YOU'RE a cynic !! :)
This is no conspiracy, I just think it's a dumb jape in the international press.
I am good at trust buddy, I use it wisely. I have a few close friends who I trust with my life and I've NEVER been let down yet. Amazing but true :D
Speedhump
I'm also a stone wall. 100 pct trustworthy with confidences. It helps....
RobbyG
- Speedhump wrote:
I'm also a stone wall. 100 pct trustworthy with confidences. It helps....
Plants can grow out of stone also, did you notice? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Chocoholic
erm yeah and ever heard of 'air' plants, that require no water, or soil?!
Bora Bora
Well I'm going to put on my magic cape and fly over SH's building.
Speedhump
Robby, I've been called plantlife before :D
Chocks - they need SUNLIGHT! How much sunlight in your lungs...?
BB - most welcome kitty, I'll open a carton of cream.
Speedhump
Also look at the ruler in the pic. It shows the sprig is 2.5 cm not 5 cm. Not a shred of credibility left. The whole thing is a daft prank, and it's not the first time. You've never seen a hoax before....? :roll:
RobbyG
Ill send BiBi on your way in with some stones to throw at ya.
Hope she hits the carton of cream right in the smacker ;)
Chocoholic
Yeah have you ever actually been into a forest of Firs? There is literally no light at the ground level, so the theory is flawed!
Just goodle the story and see how many places have reported it, you're wrong on this one - end of!
Speedhump
If there was 'literally' no light it would be pitch black which is untrue. Trees cannot grow with zero light, but they can grow poorly and slowly with little light, as under a heavy forest canopy:
http://www.sfmnetwork.ca/docs/e/RN_E35_CompetitionLight_low.pdf
• Under conifer-dominated canopies, juvenile white spruce need about 40% of above-canopy light for maximum height growth. Virtually no understory spruce survive when light levels drop below 8%.
• Leafless aspen canopies transmit a large amount of light to the understory in spring and fall; this may be why juvenile spruce can survive in dense aspen stands that have less than 8% light levels in summer.
Don't you love the Internet! :D
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Chocks did you believe this one too? I bet you DID...
:D
Chocoholic
I really don't care what you think SH, you poo poo everything. So what if it turns ou to be fake, it's a bloody good story none the less. Now shut up about it already.
Speedhump
hahaha! it's OK you can believe it if it makes you happy, no problem for me, I'll keep quiet now.
it must be great living in Pink Fluffy World, send me a postcard :D
:banghead:
RobbyG
- Chocoholic wrote:
Yeah have you ever actually been into a forest of Firs? There is literally no light at the ground level, so the theory is flawed!
Just goodle the story and see how many places have reported it, you're wrong on this one - end of!
Let him talk Choc's. He doesn't know crap about plants.
I could lecture him about plant biology all day long, but he still won't believe it can happen.
I think its plausible with the right conditions.
Speedhump
LOL, I love you guys.
Honestly, you couldn't lecture me abou jack sh*t mate...I studied biology until I was 18, including plant growth on the molecular level.
You've absolutely no idea what I know my friend so you should avoid saying that. ;)
sage & onion
- Chocoholic wrote:
Well here's a link, with an image of the tree inside the lung - so Neh!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/2339017/Tree-grows-inside-mans-lung
Photoshop is a wonderful thing, lol
RobbyG
- Speedhump wrote:
how can a plant grow beyond the tinest sprout in the complete absence of light?
/
"During the earliest stages of plant growth, the first root, called the taproot, stretches downward into the soil in search of water and to establish a firm structural foundation for the plant. The root grows both by adding cells and by elongating cells that already exist. Before long, the root forms branches, which improve the plant's support system and its ability to absorb water from the soil.
Not long after the taproot has become established in the soil, the shoot, or stem, of the seedling begins to stretch upward in search of light. The time-lapse video of this reveals the seedlings' need for light: They bend first one way and then the next in what becomes a repetitive waving motion as they follow the sun's movement throughout the day.
So far, all of the energy that the plant requires for growth comes from food stored in the part of the seed called the endosperm. As the stem stretches skyward it carries with it what is left of the food stores in the endosperm. Before long, however, this food will be depleted and the plant will need to create its own food. To do this, the plant must first grow leaves."
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Leaves (or the many pine needles as shown in the picture) can't grow without light.
Yep I'm a killjoy but I'm on topic! :D
No, you are missing something of the big picture, Mr. Biology 8)
Read your internet finding again, and you'll see that, next to a humid base (lungs are humid from the inflow of air that gets warmed by your body temp. and humid surrounding cell tissue), a plant seed can grow from water only, since the endosperm carries the food at first;
"So far, all of the energy that the plant requires for growth comes from food stored in the part of the seed called the endosperm. As the stem stretches skyward it carries with it what is left of the food stores in the endosperm. Before long, however, this food will be depleted and the plant will need to create its own food. To do this, the plant must first grow leaves. "
"Most plants can survive with a combination of these three parts: roots, stems, and leaves."
So Speedhump, obviously the root and stems can grow (look at Chocs picture please!!!) but the leaves CANT, because we are missing one cycle of survival for this plant, which is sunlight or the absence of photosynthesis and thus the creation of the plants ability to create food from sugar, so to say.
You might wanna go back into those biology booklets you got there, but mine are still intact. I also had 4 years of biology in my pre-education son.
:lol:
Are you powned now? 8)
Speedhump
- RobbyG wrote:
- Speedhump wrote:
how can a plant grow beyond the tinest sprout in the complete absence of light?
/
"During the earliest stages of plant growth, the first root, called the taproot, stretches downward into the soil in search of water and to establish a firm structural foundation for the plant. The root grows both by adding cells and by elongating cells that already exist. Before long, the root forms branches, which improve the plant's support system and its ability to absorb water from the soil.
Not long after the taproot has become established in the soil, the shoot, or stem, of the seedling begins to stretch upward in search of light. The time-lapse video of this reveals the seedlings' need for light: They bend first one way and then the next in what becomes a repetitive waving motion as they follow the sun's movement throughout the day.
So far, all of the energy that the plant requires for growth comes from food stored in the part of the seed called the endosperm. As the stem stretches skyward it carries with it what is left of the food stores in the endosperm. Before long, however, this food will be depleted and the plant will need to create its own food. To do this, the plant must first grow leaves."
++
Leaves (or the many pine needles as shown in the picture) can't grow without light.
Yep I'm a killjoy but I'm on topic! :D
No, you are missing something of the big picture, Mr. Biology 8)
Read your internet finding again, and you'll see that, next to a humid base (lungs are humid from the inflow of air that gets warmed by your body temp. and humid surrounding cell tissue), a plant seed can grow from water only, since the endosperm carries the food at first;
"So far, all of the energy that the plant requires for growth comes from food stored in the part of the seed called the endosperm. As the stem stretches skyward it carries with it what is left of the food stores in the endosperm. Before long, however, this food will be depleted and the plant will need to create its own food. To do this, the plant must first grow leaves. "
"Most plants can survive with a combination of these three parts: roots, stems, and leaves."
So Speedhump, obviously the root and stems can grow (look at Chocs picture please!!!) but the leaves CANT, because we are missing one cycle of survival for this plant, which is sunlight or the absence of photosynthesis and thus the creation of the plants ability to create food from sugar, so to say.
You might wanna go back into those biology booklets you got there, but mine are still intact. I also had 4 years of biology in my pre-education son.
:lol:
Are you powned now? 8)
That picture is not just a taproot and a stem (endosperm) is it now? It looks like a fully grown 'minature tree' which would be completely impossible to grow from the energy (food) stored in the seed. Aren't they pine needles you see there? Those are 'leaves' right?
Sorry I still say hoax.
pwned me??? OMG u l33t Dutch h4xxor......404 Robby's brain cannot be found at this location.....
:D
RobbyG
A bit undeveloped kind of 'leaves' dont you think? Leaves are capable of photosynthesis, and therefore these cannot be considered leaves like you think they normally are.
Not particularly "dark green (low sunlight) or yellow (high sunlight)" thus capable of some level of photosynthesis, now are they?
Its just a little flaw of nature that happened to get into some conditions that were suitable for partial growth. It can be fake or at least plausible.
I stand by my opinion considering the basics just presented for seed growth.
Ta Ta Mr. Biology ;)
Speedhump
- RobbyG wrote:
A bit undeveloped kind of 'leaves' dont you think? Leaves are capable of photosynthesis, and therefore these cannot be considered leaves like you think they normally are.
Not particularly "dark green (low sunlight) or yellow (high sunlight)" thus capable of some level of photosynthesis, now are they?
Its just a little flaw of nature that happened to get into some conditions that were suitable for partial growth. It can be fake or at least plausible.
I stand by my opinion considering the basics just presented for seed growth.
Ta Ta Mr. Biology ;)
:)
Well fir trees only have needles not leaves as such, so these look like
many pine needles to me? If they are then they could not have grown from the tiny amount of energy stored in a seed.
Anyway, we must be bored with this by now.....if it's true I'll eat your cat.
zonker
I wonder if a pathologist looked at the specimen under a microscope?
That would confirm or otherwise if it really was a tree.....
RobbyG
- Speedhump wrote:
- RobbyG wrote:
A bit undeveloped kind of 'leaves' dont you think? Leaves are capable of photosynthesis, and therefore these cannot be considered leaves like you think they normally are.
Not particularly "dark green (low sunlight) or yellow (high sunlight)" thus capable of some level of photosynthesis, now are they?
Its just a little flaw of nature that happened to get into some conditions that were suitable for partial growth. It can be fake or at least plausible.
I stand by my opinion considering the basics just presented for seed growth.
Ta Ta Mr. Biology ;)
:)
Well fir trees only have needles not leaves as such, so these look like many pine needles to me? If they are then they could not have grown from the tiny amount of energy stored in a seed.
Anyway, we must be bored with this by now.....if it's true I'll eat your cat.
You bored? On the topics of a true Biologist? Where's your passion son :lol:
Just for the record. A fir tree has leaves. Needle-shaped leaves!
Now eat my cat. 8) :lol:
Misery Called Life
- RobbyG wrote:
- Chocoholic wrote:
Yeah have you ever actually been into a forest of Firs? There is literally no light at the ground level, so the theory is flawed!
Just goodle the story and see how many places have reported it, you're wrong on this one - end of!
Let him talk Choc's. He doesn't know crap about plants.
I could lecture him about plant biology all day long, but he still won't believe it can happen.
I think its plausible with the right conditions.
The eternal flirt Robby..... :lol:
RobbyG
Yep, but Chocs hates me. She's appalled by me.
It just wouldn't work...right Chocs? :lol:
Misery Called Life
^^^ she hates me too. Finds my talk blithering...
Guess we're in the same boat dude^^^
RobbyG
- Misery Called Life wrote:
^^^ she hates me too. Finds my talk blithering...
Guess we're in the same boat dude^^^
Lets get a beer son. Lets celebrate :lol:
Ruskie
LOL ONLY IN RUSSIA
Misery Called Life
:thumbright:
:occasion5:
Red Chief
The news were bradcoasted by the First Federal All-Russian Channel on the 14 of April.
There is some video inside (in Russian):
http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/141840
Quote:
Biologists believe that the green branch could get to an organism only entirely because there are no conditions for growth of plants in lungs.
RobbyG
- Red Chief wrote:
The news were bradcoasted by the First Federal All-Russian Channel on the 14 of April.
There is some video inside (in Russian):
http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/141840
Quote:
Biologists believe that the green branch could get to an organism only entirely because there are no conditions for growth of plants in lungs.
Have you ever inhaled a 50mm branch before? :lol:
A normal person would sufficate right at the moment that branch enters that pipe Chief!
I simply can't believe that going in my lungpipe and not notice it ;)
Red Chief
If you could drink as much as he you would believe...
8) 8) 8)
RobbyG
- Red Chief wrote:
If you could drink as much as he you would believe...
8) 8) 8)
I guess you have a valid point there :lol: 8) :lol:
Speedhump
- RobbyG wrote:
Just for the record. A fir tree has leaves. Needle-shaped leaves!
Now eat my cat. 8) :lol:
I honestly thought you would have understood that I meant that, *sigh*
So it makes my point yes? Otherwise I would not have pointed out that it has grown so many 'needles' (leaves) when it can't without sunlight.
And I told you...look at the damn ruler, it ends at 5 cm but the growth starts at 2.5 cm. Deduct 2.5 from 5 and what's left
(did you keep your maths books as well Brainiac? :D :D ;) ) ?
Oh well, let's shut up now! But as a polite Col. Blimp I'll allow you the last word.....
;)
Speedhump
- Red Chief wrote:
The news were bradcoasted by the First Federal All-Russian Channel on the 14 of April.
There is some video inside (in Russian):
http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/141840
Quote:
Biologists believe that the green branch could get to an organism only entirely because there are no conditions for growth of plants in lungs.
too late dozy, I already established that using science, not quoting from some lame website....
Speedhump
- RobbyG wrote:
Yep, but Chocs hates me. She's appalled by me.
It just wouldn't work...right Chocs? :lol:
Bud you have this thing where you go 'get them to hate me first then they'll fall in love with me later'.
I know how that sh*t works ;)
And it does... :D
RobbyG
- Speedhump wrote:
- RobbyG wrote:
Just for the record. A fir tree has leaves. Needle-shaped leaves!
Now eat my cat. 8) :lol:
I honestly thought you would have understood that I meant that, *sigh*
So it makes my point yes? Otherwise I would not have pointed out that it has grown so many 'needles' (leaves) when it can't without sunlight.
And I told you...look at the damn ruler, it ends at 5 cm but the growth starts at 2.5 cm. Deduct 2.5 from 5 and what's left
(did you keep your maths books as well Brainiac? :D :D ;) ) ?
Oh well, let's shut up now! But as a polite Col. Blimp I'll allow you the last word.....
;)
The last word you'll never gonna get when someone is as wrong as you are, son 8)
Everything you said, is to be applied on you. So you be quiet now ok.
If you have the 'Biologic passion' you know that a undeveloped leave can be considered a sideroot without photosynthesis, therefore it could well be formed from the seeds endosperm reserves (perhaps shorter/not fully grown). Could well have been a 'survival of the fittest' seed in the Russian's lung...under the right circumstances of course.
Anyway, you haven't given me proper arguments against it. Stick to the camels Humprey, :lol:
:twisted: so bad :twisted:
RobbyG
- Speedhump wrote:
- Red Chief wrote:
The news were bradcoasted by the First Federal All-Russian Channel on the 14 of April.
There is some video inside (in Russian):
http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/141840
Quote:
Biologists believe that the green branch could get to an organism only entirely because there are no conditions for growth of plants in lungs.
too late dozy, I already established that using science, not quoting from some lame website....
I have battled all your arguments, if not I will continue untill you talk sensible biology. Its a marvel but its plausible from the basics of seed growth.
You should get your celstructure checked. :wink:
RobbyG
- Speedhump wrote:
- RobbyG wrote:
Yep, but Chocs hates me. She's appalled by me.
It just wouldn't work...right Chocs? :lol:
Bud you have this thing where you go 'get them to hate me first then they'll fall in love with me later'.
I know how that sh*t works ;)
And it does... :D
Don't even consider of taking my 'style' here on DF :lol:
Find your own forum hahahah ;)
SLAPPPP, - I just gave your camel a slap on the back... That should keep you busy for a while getting him back from that highest dune :lol:
Red Chief
- Speedhump wrote:
too late dozy, I already established that using science, not quoting from some lame website....
It happened in Russia. So It's an original source, Blimp. Kiwi web site offered only restricted translation.
canuckbid
I see this thread really "branched" out and "blossomed" from a bunch of needles. :D
I thought about submiting the story to one of my blogs, then thought it rather too rude.
Thier big meltdown in Russia tainted milk as far as europe years ago, so who knows what will come out of there next?
Speedhump
- Red Chief wrote:
- Speedhump wrote:
too late dozy, I already established that using science, not quoting from some lame website....
It happened in Russia. So It's an original source, Blimp. Kiwi web site offered only restricted translation.
It actually didn't happen VodkaBreath, that's the point.
Red Chief
- Speedhump wrote:
- Red Chief wrote:
- Speedhump wrote:
too late dozy, I already established that using science, not quoting from some lame website....
It happened in Russia. So It's an original source, Blimp. Kiwi web site offered only restricted translation.
It actually didn't happen VodkaBreath, that's the point.
Will not argue. I've never been to Izhevsk and didn't hold candle during surgery... Did you?
Speedhump
You don't hold opinions on anything you never saw for yourself...I see...and how does that work for you exactly?
Red Chief
- Speedhump wrote:
You don't hold opinions on anything you never saw for yourself...I see...and how does that work for you exactly?
Humour and sarcasm are not the best friends of yours. You told me that it hadn't happened, did you?
How could you learn about that despite of TV broadcasted the news to the 300 million audience?
Speedhump
It was on Russian TV? Oh well, it must be true.
WhiteJade
Once I read that a snake was hatched inside a human stomach.
Weird enough?
RobbyG
- WhiteJade wrote:
Once I read that a snake was hatched inside a human stomach.
Weird enough?
Soon you be telling us that a woman can carry a penuss....the horrorrr 8)
WhiteJade
- RobbyG wrote:
- WhiteJade wrote:
Once I read that a snake was hatched inside a human stomach.
Weird enough?
Soon you be telling us that a woman can carry a penuss....the horrorrr 8)
Like a tree-growing lung is normal.
RobbyG
Allright peepz, were back on topic!!!
Lets keep it that way :lol:
Speedhump
- RobbyG wrote:
Allright peepz, were back on topic!!!
Lets keep it that way :lol:
I think the topic's done! The snake sounds wierd. Surely highly corrosive stomach acids would mean that nothing can live there except bacteria? I guess there are people here that can rationalise it though.
RobbyG
Mr Biology (Speedhump) will give it a thumb sucking try.
I don't have the facts surrounding it 8)
Speedhump
:argue: :D
Speedhump
hey I collect a LOT of nicknames... :D
Oscar Wilde once said: There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.
(I KNOW he was gay, don't even try to go there) :evil:
RobbyG
- Speedhump wrote:
hey I collect a LOT of nicknames... :D
Oscar Wilde once said: There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.
(I KNOW he was gay, don't even try to go there) :evil:
You just did it yourself.
I'm calling you Humprey Bogayrd from now on ;)
Speedhump
Make me a wolf in sheep's clothing, I like it. Gay, great disguise....
RobbyG
Getting in trouble again. Gayboy better?
Speedhump
Bullyboy for you then ;)
RobbyG
You can't handle the truth :lol:
How (im)plausible it may be...
Speedhump
That doesn't even make sense! Can this thread get any more out of hand. As you NEVER shut up I'm leaving the last word to Bullyboy because he doesn't stop until he's shouted EVERYONE down ;). Try to make it worthy!
RobbyG
The denial talk you're in dóesn't work Humprey.
I just brought it back on topic actually just by mentioning the plausible situation of basic seed growth;
1. Water
2. endosperm foodsource
Results: root and not fully grown side roots (not yet leaves)