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Women "breast ironing"...


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tdot Kanelli, I asked this question before, but what society isn't patriarchal? Nick81 I already knew about female circumcision (better called female genital mutilation) but this was definitely news for me... Whenever I start having faith in humanity I get to see stuff like that and just wonder how this can be allowed. The lives these women have to lead in order not to give men boners. It's always women who have to pay the price of ignorance and practices who should have never survived the end of the Dark Ages. Corcovado ooh my god thats really bad... why do women have to pay for men's instincts ?? Rape ..war... what are we getting from men ? A world ruled by women will be a better place as proved by history tdot just curious, can you educate me on this history? Corcovado yes my dear ... Nefertiti and cleopatra in ancient egypt... Balkis...in old ages god was a Female ... the world was much better... now men...they want war.."boys and their toys" and weapons of mass destruction ...Alot of men rape women all over the world .. and the woman must iron her Breast and wear a veil to cover her body and face so men dont follow their animal instinct and rape her... :evil: :evil: Men Need decpline Nick81
I am not so sure about that... It's just too easy of an answer. What is happening in the world today, the situation of women is just a result of centuries of Masculinity being a synonym of power and domination. Whether it's in the government, in the work place, in the household. This is just the way it has been for a long, long time.
It's just too easy to say that if we inverted roles right away, the world would be a better place. Sure RIGHT NOW, women are generally considered to be pacifists, their "weakness" gives the idea that all type of violence is only associated to men. But it's Power that should be analyzed. It is Power that corrupts. It is Power that make so many women live in the shadows of men. Invert the roles and we would end up with the opposite. We'd still have wars with just a different chain of command. Women giving the orders and men on the battleground.
The one thing we CAN do, is just put an end to all the ignorance and barbaric practices that are still found in the world. And introduce in society, ways of reducing and hopefully end someday the image of the woman as an inferior being. yorky500 These things always seem to happen in Africa, I wonder why? Education, or lack thereof perhaps? tdot I don't want to start a male vs female debate, but the history I know, Men have done more good for the world then there female counterparts and there are probab;y reasons for this. However I do fully believe there have been some great females, but the majority of history books points to man. Few examples; Jesus, Prophet Muhammad, Ghandi, Galileo, Einstein, Bill Gates the philanthropist, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King etc etc... of course there are just as many examples of evil men :-) anyhoo, my two cents Nick81
*points at previous post*
Power... Who got all privileges during all these centuries? Who got all type of education? Were women even allowed to open their mouth a few centuries ago in some countries without getting burned at the stake?

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yorky500 Yes, but it has always been the women who have suffered for what the MEN believe in. War is one major example. women have always suffered as a result of war. yorky500
This is still the case in some Muslim cultures, is it not? The male is still the Premo in the family. tdot
mixture of lack of education and capitalism yorky500 GREED is more like it. Corcovado Mary.. Evita ..Joan of Arc..Indira Gandhi..Sammuramat Assyrian Queen..Zenobia tdot
There is no such thing as "muslim culture". You either live the life or you don't. I agree that these practices of belittling woman happen in 3rd world countries but in true Islam woman are considered very important and should be treated in that manner. It has nothing to do with being muslim, its typically comes down to how you were brought up. tdot
Capitalism creates GREED Nick81
True. One shouldn't generalize. I have seen, met practicing Muslims who respected women more than any Westerner. A veil doesn't mean anything. It might very well be the woman's choice to wear it. It doesn't mean I agree with it but it hardly has anything to do with the issue at hand. Corcovado
So true sooo true
Liban This is beyong disguting. Its is so reprehensible. Intimacy if they are doing that because of rapist as the have mentioned, then I think they should start ironing the potential rapist's thingy :lol: :lol: Intimacy [quote="yorky500"]
On what basis have you made such assumptions!! Hollywood movies?!
You will be more than surprised if you would come to know how women are being treated in our cultures... many westreners were stunned when they saw the reality.
Well for the matter of fact .. in many cases.. women are the boss here even if u didnt see it :wink: ... right liban ? 8) :D kanelli Even if Islam claims to treat women very well, the fact remains that the Quran says that women must cover themselves to hide their attributes from men who might take advantage. On the one hand there are good intentions behind that, but on the other hand it makes it acceptable for men to disrespect women who are not covered. The women are made responsible for men's bad behaviour, which is wrong. This is exactly the same kind of thing as female circumscision and breast ironing - the men are not held accountable for their sexual deviance and lack of respect for women. Patriarchal cultures around the world have imposed many restrictions on women, whereas men have not faced such radical practices and unequal treatment under matriarchal societies (to my knowledge). Perhaps Corcovado knows more about that. xibit
omg !!
damn female circumsicion, is that even physically possible !!
what the hell do they circumsize ?? i really wanna know.
where and why do they do it Nick81
xibit ^^ damn this is some new and disgusting info for me. ppl need education Liban Uhhh.... This crap and femal circumcision have NOTHING to do with Islam. Corcovado
Kanelli ur so right .. in a world ful of ignorance.. male deminated the society.. and treated women as objects and some cultures and religions emphisized on this...leaving women helpless and used as breeding machines only... in ancient times women ruled.. and were warriors and queens...and they were worshiped ..it was a female society ... it was a better society ... kanelli I agree Corcovado 8) Nick81 Again this is too easy of an answer. The best thing that could happen in the world today is divide power EQUALLY between men and women, and FINALLY dissociate politics and religion. Dubai Knight I have encountered local ladies who are quite liberated in their actions and thinking however are unable to 'be seen' out without their abaya and sheyla as they are afraid that they will be seen to be 'of loose morals' by the local men here. However, I see numerous local men who are perfectly willing to dress in western style, including revealing shorts and t-shirts, without feeling any sense of 'loose morals'. I have lost count of the number of times I have seen a man dressed this way, whilst his wife walks alongside him completely covered. It just smacks of hypocritical double standards to me... :shock: :shock: :shock: Knight kanelli
Exactly. I made the same observation in another thread. Moester it's amazing how something that outragous and physically and mentally and logically unacceptable can be even linked to Islam. before prophet Mohammed people used to bury their daughters alive because they are afriad of the shame a girl can bring to her family, so this female opression was going on for way long time ago so, don't try to attach any kind of violence against women to Islam. no one is questioning the way the non muslims women live their lives because no one has the right to, so isn't it fair to do the same thing for muslim women too? kanelli Did I miss where people were blaming Islam for breast ironing and female circumcision? Moester no i didn't mean that, but somehow the thread went from talking about those things to how muslim women cover themselves, which was a bit amazing. kanelli Because we are talking about the practices that men put upon women in male-dominated societies and religions. tdot no one was blaming Islam, but someone linked "muslim culture" with this thread. Men are to equally cover up as are woman in Islam and it's the hypocrisy that is evident in the world today that people say one thing and do another. In any case the world was a better place 20+ years ago before men like Dubya Bush took control.... kanelli tdot, it is very childish when people bring up George Bush all the time. He is an ass, but Hitler, Mugabe, Hussein and many other leaders have made this world an unpleasant place as well. Let's stick to the topic and not try to pin anything related to this subject on George Bush, the USA or capitalism. tdot I guess you're American....and I don't see how it's childish, but anyhow yes there are other corrupt leaders and its just that Bush is the biggest one right now. Nick81
Damn u beat me to it... I was going to post the same thing... :lol: MaaaD No she is Israeli .. I blame the Mossad for this one. tdot hehe, Isreali? she forgot to add Sharon to her list. kanelli
Wrong, I am not American, but I am logical. This thread is about breast ironing and we have also discussed patriarchal and matriarchal societies and religions because it is related to cultural practices that affect women. George Bush has nothing to do with African women ironing breasts etc., therefore it is illogical to discuss George Bush in this thread. kanelli
:lol: :lol:
I'm Scottish/Welsh Canadian Feminist Vegetarian Atheist Humanist. MaaaD
I still blame the Mossad. Nick81
Can I blame it too? Pleaaaaaase? :roll: kanelli
:lol: Moester
what societies and religions? you only discussed one religion i didn't see any other religion in your posts. kanelli Actually, I wasn't the only person posting in this thread or the only person discussing Islam. If it makes you feel better, I'll mention how I cringed when my Frisian friend (A follower of the Dutch Christian Reformed Church) got married and the pastor said "Do you promise to obey your husband." Gak! Okay, that isn't really the same thing as ironing breasts, cutting and sewing up women's parts, or shrowding oneself in cloth so as not to sexually titilate a man. Christianity is also a patriarchal religion. Lots of religions are. If a woman gets her period she is considered unclean and can't even enter the house of worship etc. Patriarchal societies and religions come up with all kinds of ways to subjugate women. raidah most of the stupidities are the result of ignorant ppl and societies who think they are being civilised and enlightened. kanelli
I wonder why some societies might think they are being civilised and enlightened by supressing their women? raidah
because they r being ignorant, that is why.
we place religion above everything else (well, some societies) and categorize s.e.x as sin, taboo, etc. the best cocktail of being closed minded. tdot do you believe that there is any society that isn't supressing women? kanelli
Very true. raidah
touche kanelli
Yes, and they are all patriarchal. Does that make it okay? tdot I would like to be educated since there is nothing better than knowledge. Name me one patriarchal society that isn't supressing women? Intimacy
Well Kan, I think this is a misunderstanding between the culture and Koran. The Woman should be respected whether she is covered or not .. and that also goes on the man. in Koran you should respect everyone regardless what kind of religions or cultures they have. and the islamic history is so full of stories about such situations.
Now maybe you have seen an incident or you have got a feeling that the uncovered woman is not respected, but believe if such thing happened.. then its only and only because of the culture or that particular reason because people are not use to see wpomen uncovered.. and its quit odd for them to understand such thing if they dont have the background or the understanding of other cultures.
even in christianity or Judaism the women should be covered .. if u have a look from behind on a Nun or a muslim lady, you will not be able to tell who is who.
The woman is a precious Jewell .. this Jewel should be protected and away from theves. Males are like wolves who are waiting for the pray, once they have what they want they will walk out. thats why when guys are normally claming they are "not ready" to commitment,.. they wana keep playing around they way they want Whether they admit it or not.
thats why ladies... if a man comes to you, check whether he is H0rney or really interested in you. if he is, then he should be ready for a commitment. other wize in the majority of the cases, girls are getting dummped on the edge of the road alone (maybe with a baby to support by her own even) for the other wolves.
I think its enough for the muslims precisly and to the world to know that the Prophet him self was dying while his head was on his wife's thigh and he is last words for a man like the prophet for the world were:
Always keep good thoughts about women.
Be gentle with the crystals - referning to the women-.
:) hope this was clear :) Intimacy its strange who things came back to this topic.. We were some where else! :) Intimacy
such act was done in some places and thats right...
[color=red] but ...in Islam .. this is Taboo [/color] Nick81
While I do agree a woman is precious she's not made of porcelain. This is exactly the mentality that lead to women being considered inferior to men. They can protect themselves and do NOT need men to live well in any society. raidah
which leads to men being insecure if they cant be the only ones to play the provider role in the family Nick81
*hugs my little bunny* Corcovado
May i add fabulous too 8) kanelli
Ditto darling! :wink: terranova
even 10% is too high, but enough said. :roll: yet it turns into talks about muslim culture. kanelli
Exactly Nick! Women can and do protect themselves, and they are certainly not inferior. S.e.xual abuse from family, friends or strangers happens to women all over the world, whether they shroud themselves in cloth or not.
Humans are biologically ingrained to be attracted to each other and mate for the purpose of propogating the species, just like any other animal on this planet. Just as men want to bed women, there are women who are equally interested in bedding men. Does that mean that men need protection from female "wolves"? Should men shroud themselves in cloth to protect them from women who find them s.e.xually attractive?
In cultures where women are allowed to dress as they please, there is far less harrassment on the street. The rape rates might be higher but those are because alcohol and mixed communication are involved on the dating scene, not because a woman is not covered in cloth from head to toe.
Shrouding myself from head to toe in black cloth would feel to me like people were trying to cover me up like I don't exist. It would feel odd to talk with people who can't even see my facial expressions. I enjoy the fact that I have studied, worked and lived in mixed gender groups and I don't ever feel like I need to hide my body to protect myself from men, even here in Dubai where leering at women is a sport for some groups of men. Nick81
Very well said K. :wink: kanelli
terranova :roll:
Once again for people can't seem to follow this thread. This topic is about breast ironing to protect girls from rape. Issues like female genital mutilation and women having to hide their entire body from men came into this thread because they are related to suppression of women in male dominated societies and religions. No one said anywhere that Islam is to blame for everything. Too many people get touchy if you mention the word "Islam". As was already stated, many religions are patriarchal, including Christianity, Judaism etc. There are Jewish women who wear scarves or wigs to cover their hair, and who wear longs skirts and stockings, and long blouses to cover their body. In some places, women cover their hair in a scarf when attending mass in a Catholic church. Nuns (and monks) wear conservative traditional dress. Some of this discussion has focused on Islam because the Quran calls for all Muslim women to cover themselves. Some people are challenging the notion that women are delicate and men are predators - so women need to cover up and protect their "modesty". This is related to patriarchal viewpoints that are relevant to this discussion thread. Intimacy
I think you missed the point - crystals normally are used to resemble: pureness and transperancy .. when a ""crystal"" get cracked.. then no way one earth you can fix this crack.
Thats why you have to be very gentle with crystals not to cause any crack "by hurting them emotionally". So plz dont take it materialistically
The woman doesnt need someone to protect here!! well woman start saying that when they start finding them selves alone ... when their males start leaving them for a reason or for nothing.. just he is bored .. or what ever. but... yes.. she can take care of her self.. but would she choose that if she finds the right MAN .. i mean "The MAN". Well i dont believe so! i dont think that husbands are meant to be there for physical needs only!! are they??
Woman who say that woman can take care of them selves.... i say to them: YES woman can do that.. but ... would they like that.. would they Choose that?! normally such statments comes up when the woman is really hurt and she is feed up with all the a$$wholes around.. and i dont blame her at all in such situations. terranova touchy? hardy har har. i can see all the talk we've been having about orthodox jewish men and their treatment of women, or perhaps the mormons allowing polygamy? this thread is positively deluged with objectivity. :roll: stop being defensive and reflect a bit more on the double standards people treat muslims with. Intimacy
i won't use a word like Shrouding for this case Kan :).
No one says that the cover should be for the face and in black.. there is nothing in islam is like that. its the Emiratis Culture here. in ohter cultures.. women are covering them selves differently.. and decently.. kanelli
Well terranova, you are free to bring up any examples of other religions and to discuss your own views on the double standards that Muslims are faced with instead of just criticising that Islam is being discussed again.
Let's hear your thoughts. Don't forget, the central aim of this discussion is patriarchal societies and the suppression of women to accomodate men and their ideas of women. terranova
i forgot to add please
and no i won't point blame at other religions, i'm not an expert on any of those issues, and this is one "jihad" i'd rather not fight.
i just find it necessary to step in when i see people pushing the boundaries on what i see as legitimate criticism of my religion kanelli
So men can be impure and cracked, but their women have to be perfect?
There are men who fall for women and go to bed with them, but then the woman dumps him and breaks his heart. It is a stereotype that men use women for s.ex. because women can use men for s.ex just as easily.
Both men and women are capable of mentally, physically and s.e.xually abusing each other. The stereotype is that women are sugar and spice and everything nice and they need to be sheltered and protected, when really that isn't the case.
If men and women want to live together as a couple, then they are there to support and compliment each other's lives. Each person should have a chance to be dominant or submissive in some cases, depending on their own individual talents, strengths and weaknesses in certain matters or situations. It is really a disadvantage to women to be treated like naive children that the husband has the divine right to rule over for her own "protection". raidah
fanatism is not the "privilege" of one religion or another.
stupidity also has nothing to do with religion. its ppl that make a society narrow minded, a religion fanatic and s.e.x taboo and sin. its ppl's ignorance that make smthing so spiritual like faith become quastionable, and smthing so natural as physical contact seem dirty. kanelli
So terranova, you ARE being touchy about your religion. Just to let you know, I am an atheist so I criticise all religion.
Is Islam a patriarchal religion or not? If you can prove to me that it isn't, then I won't discuss it in this relevant thread, along with the other patriarchal religions I have already brought up.
Intimacy, I know that the face doesn't have to be covered, but Islam is practiced in many different ways and there are women who cover their faces, hands and feet as well so that no skin is exposed at all. If Muslim and Orthodox Jewish women want to cover their body and hair and leave only their face and hands out, that is their choice, but I find it extreme. What kind of god makes men's bodies acceptable, but women's bodies taboo? terranova i guess you didn't read the "legitimate criticism" part of my message, but of course to you i'm just another raving touchy muslim who refuses to listen to reason. and the atheist argument is weak. That's like making racist jokes and saying I make fun of all races so it's alright. do you know how that holds up in a court of law? it doesn't kanelli
Actually, I said no such thing. Those are your words. I only said that you are being oversensitive about the discussion of your religion. You still haven't said why you feel my criticism isn't legitimate, and you haven't discussed at all whether you feel that Islam is a patriarchal religion. You came to this thread to criticise me instead of actually discussing the topics at hand and bringing up counter arguments.
So atheists are the equivalent of racists, just discriminating against religions? Gee, there is a great track record through history of religious people being tolerant of other religions. :lol: My atheism argument is not weak at all, because it is relevant to the fact that I will never accept "the Bible/Quran/Torah etc. says it is so, so it must be so" argument that I often hear from religious folk. I criticise and question religion because I am free to do it, especially when it does damage to society and individuals. Intimacy
Did i say that?!! :shock:
What i have said is just the opposite!! i dont know how i was interpreted like that!!

Did i say anything which goes against this?!!!

Kan, i still dont get it :? whatever i was saying pours into this!!
where is the issue then?! kanelli Intimacy, I interpreted your posts as justifications for why women are supposed to be covered and kept away from men outside their families until they are married. Your original posts focus on the fragility of women and their need for protection - you talked about women being like crystals, not men being like crystals. You talked about how men are the predators... Intimacy
and how does this offences the women!? kanelli I give up. Intimacy Oh come on Kan ... :D terranova kanelli, i didn't come to criticize you, but rather question why the arguments about religious issues always focus on islam, and why they always always always focus on the stereotypical muslim image. anyways, i don't want to argue with you and you are free to criticize who you please. do keep it reasonable though kanelli All so amusing :lol: Let me just say that I am glad I was born a woman in the country that I was with the background that I was in this day in age. I'm in a far better position than fellow women-folk around the world or in decades before me. Hopefully men will evolve at some point, but maybe they need a few more decades. :lol: Liban This is looking like a thread that needs to be tranfered to teh religion forum. As for the topic itself, keep it up guys, I find it all amusing :) arniegang I agree with Liban - can this be toned down please or i will split many thanks Corcovado
You 'Ve got The Power :P :P arniegang I have but i did ask very nicely first. :P :P :P Liban
I like cheese... Will this be split now? arniegang please stay on topic Liban now can we get back to some donkey stories or swallow stories/posts please :lol: :lol: :lol: Corcovado
Naughty naughty arnie :lol: :lol: kanelli There was nothing to tone down in this thread, no need for overreacting! If you want to tone something down Arnie, why not tone down your attack on Nick81 and Raidah in Fight Club. If you are keen to split a thread, then why not take the 5 pages of off-topic banter out of that same thread. arniegang K With respect, there was a need to tone it down. The original subject had gone off topic way before i posted, and you indeed were part of that process, so please dont lecture me on staying "on topic". With regards to what was put in FC, then that is a entirely separate issue, and has nothing to do with this topic at hand. Your comments regarding this, have no place in this thread. I noted your comment in the FC thread, you do not need to repeat yourself. You also failed to notice that FC is technically "unmoderated" and i cannot therefore split the thread. Furthermore, I should not need to remind you of the concept of fight club. Concord K & A - easy does it! Concord
Or let me know so I can take wagers! arniegang we love each other really, she has said her bit, now i have said mine end of... as far as i am concerned Concs :wink: :wink: kanelli
How were we off-topic?
Women iron breasts, cut clitorises and cover themselves from head to toe in some cultures to protect themselves from s.ex.ual abuse, keep themselves "pure", or whatever bizarre reason related to male whims. This is because those societies are patriarchal and the onus is on the women to change their behaviour instead of the men changing theirs. the_zooter
That's Liban's job!! saim its too bad ... scarlet Tdot i believe there is a village in Indonesia that is a matriarchal society - there may be others in other countries. It's not these ones although property is passed to women the_zooter
I can't help but agree with you. Sometimes equal rights seems to mean equal as long as the male agrees!
I have no problem with people dressing appropriately for their culture. And if women wear full cover burka's (including covering their face) and men wear their traditional clothes and head scarfe's (apologies for not knowing the correct names!), then that's fine. But it really pi$$es me off when I see a couple where the woman is in full cover, and the guy is there wearing shorts and a t-shirt. I have to say it makes me cringe that thousands of years of evolution, and some guys still act like cave men in their beliefs!
Disagree with me if you want - but that's my view Corcovado
thank u zoots ur my knight...and arnie i dont know what going on with u ...BEHAVE ... :twisted: Concord My 2 fils, Aren't "we" imposing "our" values on what is right or wrong. Being able to wear whatever anyone wants doesn't necessarily mean that that society/culture is better than the other. In fact, believe you me, I've seen enough forms of undress at the malls (scary stuff) which would not be tolerated back wherever they come from ("western" or not). It is simply a matter of arrongance (or lack of class) to show they can wear whaever they want - although for some their dress is their livelyhood - or means to obtain it. Others, may have looked better before but "hit the wall" decades ago. I wonder if any woman who is "covered up" has posted on this thread. Or whether anyone posting has asked a woman who wears the abaya about her opinion (and don't tell me they are all afraid to speak up). My wife and I think is a horrible thing but what the heck do we know... If I am not miskaten Karen Hughes, Under Secretary For Public Diplomacy, USA, was lectured recently by women in the middle east about her "attempting" to tell them what was best for them (particularly with respect to dress, etc.). Albeit a minor example, and perhaps "staged" but... kanelli I'm sure that women who grow up to wear a burqa etc. feel it is normal because that is how they grew up! So many people don't question anything. If a woman says she likes to dress like that, that is fine, but she'd give the same answer if she was raised to dress in shorts and a t-shirt. On a hot day in Montreal I saw two instances that I think are unfair. In one residential park I watched some orthodox Jewish girls trying to play outside wearing stockings, long pencil skirts, longs sleeves, high collar and hair covered. They hardly had the mobility to play and it was so hot outside! What should they do, play indoors all summer so they don't overheat? What about getting some nice sun on their skin! Who knows, maybe they are all taking vitamin D supplements. :roll: In a water-side park a Muslim family was out together. The man was wearing shorts and a t-shirt and playing soccer with his small son. The woman was draped in black from head to toe (except face). I cannot figure how that is comfortable in that heat, and it impedes her from playing ball with her son as well. Why wasn't her husband wearing more traditional dress with long sleeves and long skirt/pants? He'd be very jealous if other men looked twice at his wife, but it seems okay for him to show his body and possibly allow women to give him a second glance in front of his wife. Now that is equality, isn't it? :roll: Women in my culture who dress super-s.ex.y in itty bitty outfits are also influenced by men. They know that they can dress to impress them and exert power over them. Women can perhaps more easily manipulate men when dressing that way, but they are also falling into a trap of gaining their self-worth by catering to the fantasies of men. I would never tell another woman how to dress, because I believe that women should be able to choose to do what they want. Concord
Amen. the_zooter Now I don't know what side of the fence to sit on!! I'm so confused by it all!! vegael2003
Before sixth century, many people studied on human being, so got many philosopher, psychologist, scientist and world famous writers & poets but now all people (10years-above 60years) waste their time to chat or watch show at AFF website. Men not need discipline only, man need to study for human being knowledge. Nick81
Oh no... he's starting to post outside the topic he created :cry: vegael2003 [quote="Nick81"]
I don't know why man afraid to listen truth, can you tell what is its reason? MaaaD Now celebs need burkas These days their every personal flaw is being exposed. There's only one way to fight back Kathryn Hughes Monday July 10, 2006 The Guardian The tabloid newspapers and celebrity magazines have greeted the arrival of high-definition television (HDTV) with a kind of whooping glee. In a string of "before and after" photo features, they offer previews of what terrible secrets Teri Hatcher, Keira Knightley and Elizabeth Hurley are about to have exposed to the cruel gaze of the world at large (respectively, hectic flush, acne, crows' feet). The message is clear: in this new economy of super-sightedness, power has passed from the looked-upon to the looker. No amount of covering up with slap is going to save you from a kind of visual rape in which you and your enlarged pores are laid bare before the world's probing, mocking glance. This savage scopic economy (that's what cultural theorists call it, anyway) has been in the ascendant for some time now. Witness Heat magazine's weekly "circle of shame" feature, where attention is directed to a malfunctioning bit of a celebrity's body that might otherwise have gone unnoticed: fingers that resemble claws, ears that droop like an elephant's, an apparent third nipple ... and all ringed and tagged to make sure that no amount of lipsticky smiles can distract you, the viewer, from your stern task of seeking out the visual truth in a world of smoke and mirrors. In this new x-ray world there will be few hiding places, and so the options left to those most likely to be caught in the public gaze are severely limited. The old-fashioned approach might simply be to redouble your disguise and hope that the all-seeing eye will skim over you before passing on to more important targets. To this end the beauty columns in the high-end newspapers are suggesting a product called Cover FX, a skin foundation originally developed to deal with burns and vitiligo, now being sold as just the thing to take with you when you go into battle with HDTV. Its dense putty layers will, quite simply, blot you out, reducing you to a kind of blank screen on which a new, more pleasing face may be painted. The other, more modern approach is to glory in your fakeness, joyfully drawing attention to the fact that you have been assembled with the world's searching gaze in mind. You can see this in the Big Brother house, where none of the female contestants is remotely bothered about having had breast enhancements. Instead, here - as elsewhere - the talk is all about size, shape and provenance. In the press, too, the talk is no longer about has she/hasn't she had cosmetic surgery, but about who has got it right (Anne Robinson) and who has got it wrong (the hapless Teri Hatcher, who is fast becoming a terrible warning about what can happen to a nice woman in the savage age of high definition). Then again, consider the wives and girlfriends of the England soccer team, who were recently accompanied to Germany by a couple of operatives from the Fake Bake tanning company. No one pretended for a moment that a job lot of pasty girls from the chilly north-west of England owed their gleaming golden tans to anything other than artifice. Indeed, far from being kept secret, like postmodern madwomen in the attic, allowed out after dark only with their spray cans to perform their magic art, the fake bakers were incorporated into the Baden-Baden narrative as surely as Coleen's luggage or, indeed, Posh's breasts. In these circumstances you can begin to see the point of the burka. Every now and then a Muslim feminist will write a piece for the papers suggesting that turning yourself into a small black tent is, in fact, marvellously liberating since it removes you at a stroke from the scopic economy. Until now that logic has always seemed strangely topsy-turvy, but in the age of high definition it may indeed turn out to be the only truly practical choice. vegael2003
he or she not problem, but u did not reply me about the meaning of "81", is it yr age? Nick81
"he" ? :lol: :lol: He's all yours K. Nick81
Now now Vegie, behave! Nick81
See what I meant K? :lol: Concord Just puppies. vegael2003
thanks for puppies vegael2003
Why write a long message, it is not a class room vegael2003 have u got pussy? Nick81 Vegie you're one of a kind! :lol: And Maaad nice find as usual :wink: vegael2003
K will not see, he is thinking now vegael2003
but nick81, u did not reply me about this question "I don't know why man afraid to listen truth, can you tell what is its reason?" Nick81
You're not ready to listen to the truth weakling. kanelli V, do you mean men as in males, or men as in human beings? Nick81
Oh no K., don't get him started... :lol: vegael2003
men always male but men never female and human is same of both, male and female Nick81
Now Vegie what did we say about touching ourselves at night? The boogeyman will come to get ya! vegael2003
if u tell then i m ready for listening, but pls tell me that is "81" yr age? Corcovado
i see a pattern here hmmmm :roll: :roll: kanelli :lol: Nick81 I give up... :lol: kanelli Nick :lol: Yet another thread goes off-track... seems to be contagious here. :wink: Nick81
Yeah... And somehow I am always involved when that happens. Won't take long til I get a warning or sent off to some reeducation camp. I just need to learn to abide by the forum's rules... :lol: kanelli No, you aren't to blame this time around. 8) vegael2003 [quote="Corcovado
i see a pattern here hmmmm :roll: :roll:
Yes, I m pattern but echo pattern, not video pattern MaaaD no vega the only pattern you have is i-am-a-douche-bag pattern .. vegael2003
if u would be got pussy yesterday kanelli
Now that is some lovely grammar to figure out :lol: phunkhoney
:roll:
that's like saying there's no such thing as jewish culture.



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