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Why was my Saddam thread deleted?


fayz Out of curiousity was it? I don't see it anymore and if so why?
kanelli Guess it was deemed too hot even for Fight Club. fayz and I noticed Concord's thread on this thread has been deleted as well? I guess the thread got a little jucier while i was not on the forums, because at the point I left nothing seemed wrong with it. bushra21 still doesnt mean it should have been deleted....it was moved to fight club so there is really no reasonit should have been deleted afterwards... sage & onion Sadam Thread was deleted by Jamal, his explanation is given in Fight Club Concord
Dude, most of my posts get deleted nowadays :roll: Not "in" with the Dictator :wink: freza I think that Fayz's thread should have been left here on general - even with the bad language and flaming - it deserved an exception to the rules. xibit it was deleted coz the mods here cant handle the thruth. Concord
I think someone either works in or should get a job in the "moving" business. And why the hell does every post that gets moved has to have an explanation "moved due to "inappropriate" language" :roll: :roll: :roll: errtime yes , so i think all arab leaders should be hanged.

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fayz
I looked in fight club and do not see an explanation, was the explanation deleted as well? Can someone please tell me what it said? xibit ^^ whats with all the anti arab hate ?? errtime all the raghead leaders should be hanged just like saddam freza This time Arnie wasn't involved. :P

Well I do think it's nice that Sage lets us know why he moves threads by adding the explanation. I'm just wondering why the particular offending posts aren't edited instead of moving the entire thread. xibit
didnt i advice u to stand out side some hotel and earn a living.
and instead u got the thread deleted in which i told some thruth about you.
learn to take some criticism.
honkiee trash Concord
I think it might require, what's that called, wait, I got it: thinking! errtime who died and made sage the fuzz ? this place is gonna be run by retards and wannabes mema :lol: :lol: freza
oh-oh. xibit, I should warn you that now Kanelli is going to say that you must have the hots for her (yup, that's her logical conclusion.)
sage & onion
It was something about his support for SH, anyways you know Jamal :wink: sage & onion
This seems to be Jamals quote;
fayz Thank you for the follow up S&O, although I disagree with the outcome, I'm guessing there may have been many posts on the thread i did not see. I'll try to find out what was said. sage & onion
I think in retrospect the thread should have been moved to Politics kanelli xibit, you are the only trash I see around here, Saddam-lover! kanelli Fayz, the thread was deleted because Jamal says it was disrespecting the dead. He says that because he is a Saddam-lover. If the thread were about Bush or Blair's death it would have stayed in Politics or Fight Club. The Slobodan Milosevic thread has remained... there is fairness for you. bushra21
why is that such a bad thing? maybe to you, it is, but for myself and others it isnt...for myself and others he is a real man and the only one that could have saved the middle east....i dont expect you to understand kanelli - but just becuase you hate saddam (allah yirhama) doesnt mean that we do as well. kanelli You think that Saddam could have saved the Middle East? He slaughters his own people and you admire him? Some of you are seriously screwed in the head. :shock: gtmash
I was wondering that too. We should've all moved to pre-invasion Iraq to be saved. The Kurds were lucky to be there. PARANOID I watched the full video of the execution.I wont go as far as saying I LOVE him and I wont call him the "lion of the arabs" (Lol jamal, what were you thinking?) and he certainly wasnt gonna save the middle east (However I believe he was the only leader able to preserve stability in Iraq with a currency higher than the US buck), saying all that , he did die dignified in the end. Did anyone else watch the video? The neck cracked and he ended up facing upwards. bushra21
obviously you dont know much about the iraqi people and what is written about them in our history....
and yes, saddam could have saved the middle east. he was the only man that wouldn't bow down to the west like a slave -- and that is why he was killed. you think that your lovely officials had him killed because of what he had done to the kurds? ha! you have got to be kidding me. thats just like saying you believed the whole war started over weapons of mass destruction.
honestly kanelli, i thought you were smarter than this. but i guess we all see things how we want to; and dont feel insulted, im speaking about everyone know. we all have our own biases that causes us to interpret things and see things differently. kanelli
So because the invasion of Iraq was unlawful and unethical, no tyrant in the world should ever be brought to justice for their crimes? Please explain that logic. kanelli Actually Bushra, I don't care what you think of my intelligence. I would like you to sit in a room with all the families of the people Saddam killed, and you tell them that they are also unintelligent and foolish for not supporing and admiring Saddam. Once again, you are playing the "evil West" card and not paying any attention to what Saddam did of his own accord! How is that logical? Really, a 21 year old Emirati girl who grows up mostly in the States thinks she knows more about how Iraqis feel than anyone else. That is priceless. Concord
Not priceless. Worth a laugh or two. bushra21
i spent six years in the states on and off, and i never said i knew how the iraqis felt. :roll:
oh and by the way kanelli, it wasnt only the iraqis....
in my first post on this topic in the other thread that was deleted i said that i acknowledged all the wrong things he had done to the kurds and iranians and others, and said i did not agree with them if you can remember. i said i didnt support him in those decisions. so i dont see how that is not paying attention.
you know as much as i hate yasser arafat "alla yir7ama", if he had come to the same end as saddam i would be upset as well. and arafat was a weak individiual, i dont even want to call him a man and am ashamed of him -- but what angers me is how the entire situation was handled . bushra21
so do you think you understand how they feel more than i do? i mean of course you would, you're a westerner so i guess you should since yall are just the most compassionate, understanding, and smartest individuals....
really? do you think you can relate to them more than i can? kanelli We all know the trial wasn't handled well, but how well can you expect a trial like Saddam's to go? Look at the war crimes tribunal in the Hague, it takes years and years to try people, the judges are changed, lawyers changed etc. It is a mess at the best of times, and leaders of countries and armies are very hard to prosecute. It was the Iraqis who were trying Saddam. It was not American judges and American lawyers, and it wasn't American soldiers who hung Saddam. Yes, the US was an influence in setting up the court and capturing and handing over Saddam, but Iraqis were the ones procecuting Saddam! I don't think Saddam got as fair a trial as he would have gotten at the Hague, or elsewhere, but in the end I don't lose sleep over it because he was blatantly guilty of murdering thousands! Do we need to spend years hashing out all the details of the decades of criminal activity to come to the exact same guilty verdict in the end? Some people are definitely in doubt of being innocent or guilty, but Saddam's case was pretty clear cut. Murdering one person is enough to make someone spend the rest of their life in prison, let alone thousands. Legendkiller Kanelli morons like u r causing all the misery on this planet. hmmm...u lost me?...let me speak in ur kinda of language..if u can forgive humans..instead of taking revenge.....negotiate..instead of taking ur weapons..the world would be a much safer place..daily hundreds of pple die in iraq cause of Bush and his dog Blair...y in hell r pple supporting this assholes..and joining this stupid war of them (is it cause some pple got brainwashed..or r 2 stupid 2 think for themself..don't be shy Kanelli..which one r u.........both?!..great!)...ok back 2 our story..It's crazy 2 see that only power and revenge r driving such pple..which leads 2 more death pple.. some dumb pple (Kanelli ) ... keep repeating that the iraqi pple wanted Saddam death..u mean the little group of population..and who knows..may-b they r even sponsored by usa? It's clear 2 see a) the americans attacked iraq under false pretenses b) iraq has plenty of oil...something that the americans really can use.. c) bush & his administration..hate Saddam d) that the living conditions in iraq... become worse and the list goes on... ofcourse Saddam killed thousands of pple...but the usa killed more than 500,000 already!!..and the number of victims is increasing daily.. think abt it...was it worth it to kill some many innocent pple(much more than saddam ever could kill)..just 2 bring saddam down... let's not forget the innocent iraqi children who died at the hands of those who ''supposed to protect them''.. what does all these deaths mean actually...were all these pple somehow less human..was saddam's life worth more ?! i :pukeright: on pple like u..who only think abt revenge..i'm well aware that saddam has killed&tortured..but who gives us the right 2 hang him up..it's an illusion 2 believe that justice has been done by serving the death penalty...Saddam's death was the wish of Bush and his puppets.. if they really wanted to serve justice..they would have put him on trail in the international court of justice in Den Haag...but noooooooo that would be against the wish of the iraqi pple..or should i say against the wish of usa...cause that way it would show..that all the things saddam was being accused of...that usa always played important role in each of them.. It's obvious 2 see..that the whole trial was a big joke..when they were hanging saddam..they should have put bush and his dog blair beside of him...but heeeeeey...their time will come :twisted: pple who say that i'm a saddamlover...anti-west..blah blah... they r clearly not understanding any SH*T..so go ahead dream on...who knows..may-b u might wake up in the real world some day.. kanelli legendkiller, there is nothing dumb about anything I have written. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me dumb. Perhaps you are a teenager who is still maturing? Most definitely you need to learn to write clearly and use proper English. Your posts are rambling and messy! DID SADDAM KILL THOUSANDS OF HIS OWN PEOPLE AND SHOULD HE HAVE FACED JUSTICE? I'm assuming you think not, because you think that the US was moving his arms on puppet strings to do all the evil things he did. Your logic is that the US is evil, so Saddam should be let off the hook. Fabulous :lol: Legendkiller
excuse me...for my englishhhhhhhhh... i speak 6 different languages...so u get confused sometimes..and make mistakes...tell me dear..how many languages can u communicate in?!

i never said any of that...so stop talking bs will ya?
there is nothing wrong with putting saddam on trail..but let it be a fair trial..
not one for the show...and which the outcome favours...u know who... scot1870
e) Various Islamic sects and rogue states use the mess created by the West in Iraq to undertake the real atrocity of killing thousands upon thousands of Muslims
I make no excuses that we created the mess. But at the same time, it astounds me how few people blame the Shias and Sunnis for bombing the crap out of each other each day. That's nothing to do with Bush and Blair, that's decades of hatred built up by having a minority Sunni group unjustly rule the Shia. Wait a minute, anyone see a theme in my argument? Nah, best ignore it, blame it on the West instead.
Iraq would not be like this at this precise moment had Blair and Bush not invaded, but the mess would have come when Saddam died or an uprising had occurred. That the other Muslim states stand by and do nothing but watch is also an atrocity, the power and influence exists to reduce the bloodshed but the silence remains.
Go on, someone post that it's really the CIA behind the killings, that's what the populist people want to hear, not the truth. freza LK :notworthy: Wow, well said! (notice how your critics won't address what you said point-by-point, but instead, give you a generalized, unsubstantiated reply) bushra21 nice point legend..... and kanelli, you're right just because you dont agree with legend doesn't make you dumb -- but just because we dont agree with you doesnt make us dumb or any of the other things that have been said about us as well... scot1870
:shock: All his post was made up (has the US really killed 1/2m people????), yet our replies are "unsubstantiated". Any more nuggets of wisdom hidden away? kanelli
Very well said. So many Westerners on this forum admit to, make no excuses for, and condemn the fact that the West is guilty of meddling. That fact seems to go unnoticed by the highly biased posters here. But we all know, it is easier to blame the West for everything and not admit to, or criticise, the rot existing in one's own backyard. bushra21
655,000 total excess deaths up to July 2006—from the second Lancet survey of mortality (October 2006).
for more details scot1870
I don't argue the death toll. Who killed them though? Areas can't be reconstructed because Muslims are bombing Muslims, not Muslims bombing Americans, Americans bombing Muslims or anything else. kanelli We've already discussed the death tolls in at least one other thread, and that same point was brought out. According to he posters, it doesn't matter if Muslims are killing Muslims, it is the US/West's fault for creating the conditions that make the Muslims kill each other. Even if you debate that that actually is not true, that is what the argument comes back as. The West is to blame for everything - that is the default answer. :roll: Legendkiller
Let me guess..the west is innocent..and r :angel13:
right kanelli :lol: kanelli Learn to read! Legendkiller y don't u follow ur own advice... sage & onion I have been requested to move this thread to; Politics, Philosophy and Religion Forums, please let me have your comments. kanelli Sure, go ahead and move it there. alexandra i think that PPR is a more suitable place for this thread Legendkiller y move?...it's a general discussion..so it's place should be in general topic... Concord
move it to "games forum" its like ping pong (a game ain't it). bushra21
the topics being discussed are more suited for the PPR forum though kanelli
y don u lrn to reed n & rite 2 wile u r @ it :lol: Legendkiller
lol..u think tht i don't kno how 2 write...i'm writing like this...cause that's the way i want it..
like i said before i speak 6 languages(7 if we include body language if u kno what i mean :twisted: )..how many languages can u communicate in..let me take a wild guess..one?...may-b 2..they do speak french in canada don't they..may-b we can continue in french :lol: sage & onion As the general consensus was to move the thread, consider it done. uae75
So you are saying only 40+ westerners are the only ones who should know how Iraqies feel? :lol:
I wonder how you would know how Iraqies r ACTUALLY feeling? I just hope its not from the news or what Bush & Blair are saying in their statements. :wink: uae75
You dont agree with the death toll, but when they mention Saddam killed thousands of his own people, you will immediately believe it!!! That makes lots of sense. :? kanelli Read again. He says he doesn't argue with the death toll. uae75
Ignore my previous post, thought you mentioned "dont agree", but I checked, it was "dont argue". A man has to admit when he misread a comment :) Mr & Mrs Inquirer A boy who tried to copy hanging scenes from the execution video of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein died in central Pakistan, said PacKi police. Mubashar Ali,hanged himself, while re-enacting Husse in's hanging with the help of elder sister, after tying a rope to a ceiling fan and his neck in his home in Rahim Yar Khan district on Sunday, said a local police official. rvp_legend **please delete*** rvp_legend Folks,
Have been catching up now on this thread. was too busy looking for the last one.

I agree, should be one rule for all- therefore should have remained. If someone chooses to disrespect the dead that is to their discredit.


Two people. Two very different opinions. Both have your own reasons.


I think we should all stop saying we know what the Iraqis feel or want as it is likely very few of us are Iraqi ourselves. Our opinions are from media, sometimes word of mouth therefore we are not qualified.
Secondly what is an Iraqi? a Kurd is an Iraqi, Shias, Sunni, Turkomens, Jews even the marsh arabs! all Iraqis all had different experiences under Saddam. Some may have liked him, some disliked but it is difficult to state which was more obvious. Some suffered, some had success. So no one really knows what the Iraqis wanted. We just think we do given the sources of information.

i differ on this one. Iraqi flesh carrying out the execution doesnt mean that it was the Iraqis doing it. In WW2, many jews took part in the killing during the Holocaust but ultimately it was the Germans who instructed it - they were just executioners.
once again, what is an Iraqi? how do you know these guys were genuine Iraqis who lived and suffered under saddam? How do you know that these were not political dissidents, completely unrepresentative, who's parents were exhiled and only got back to the country with their own political agendas after 30 + years?example : Ahmed Chalabi, US Nominee to "Lead Iraq"
So it is difficult to verdict that this was the Iraqis who did it.
My opinion is that it was a flaw of a trial. and Killing him was just a hope to hopefully tone down the insurgency. He was a dictator, did what other dictators did around the world (and some elected Presidents/Prime ministers may i add) which is to kill many people. Life sentence was a better punishment, but that is my opinion. i already discussed a while back why i am against death penalty as i did say it often becomes a tool for revenge and some argued that this had taken place here, esp with the taunts just before the execution.

My issue here is that why were we "The West" still his friends, when he was commiting these crimes? EVERYONE knew he was doing it. In fact the US Congress authorised the sales of gas to him even after Halabja! it was kept quiet as it served a political purpose - which was to defeat Iran at the time.
Another thing is, yes its clear he did kill people. But Pinochet killed more way before saddam did. Why was Pinochet given a luxury life?
Additionally, Muammar Gadhafi was a more hated figure than Saddam. He was the guy everyone in the west hated. He is a dictator, He harboured terrorists, tortured and killed his own people for a lot longer than Saddam, had WMD. So many attempts to kill him. He then Opens the OIL market to the the killed passengers' imemdiate families and he is now forgiven. ??? Why is he now "OK"? What about "People of Libya" who only, what seemed like yesterday, were dyeing at the hands of this wretched man/dictator?
And oh, China flattens whoever it wants it seems... any G.I. Joes gonna help out?
The greatest Irony is the inconsistency.

Why does it astound you? Bring down the authoirty in any country with freedom to roam with weapons and what ensues is a scramble for power and ultimately civil war.
Happened in Somalia, and Afghanistan.Happened all through history. Both times the US was also to blame. the Sunnis , Shias killing each other is the aftermath of a big screwup - the Invasion itself. It has ignited old wounds. Now people with power are carrying out revenge attacks on something which happened years ago. Then someone retaliates. then the other side does the same. It is the domino effect of a major screwup. And falls back to the fact that the UK and US did not have an immediate plan after flattening a countries infrastructure!

Now you are just talking hypothetically. You cannot guess what would have happened. He had sons who could have taken over. and if anyone was overthrown, the people of the country would have done it, not an invading force with political agendas. How do you know the other states would watch? the neighbours have already staetd they may contribute if the US leaves. Your statement appears as one of justification...even if you didnt mean it rvp_legend What we all need to do is chillout a bit. And stop cursing each other on this forum. I think the nature of the execution was something which has offended many people. I personally didnt like the fact he was killed on a Holy Day, after the pilgrimage and im European! You have to respect the sensitivities. regardless of who he was. We westerners would all be disgusted if an Iraqi beheaded a Western mercenary(who may have killed many innocents) on Christmas. Natural reaction would be , why not just shoot him? Many who hated him previously now could see him as a hero. he died defiant, and showed more courage than any other Arab leader would have. Im not quite sure that he could have saved the middle east, but if what Bushra meant was that he had shown that you dont have to obey to every order from the americans, then he could have been an inspiration. But for that every Arab will need to want to do that... i've said many a time, the Middle East has lacked balls since the Turks left. But then, thats just my opinion. I think those who were affected emotionally by the execution should not take out the verbal lashes on the Western contributors on this forum as that is unfair. Others have their own opinions based on what information they deem to be correct. At the same time we westerners need to be less defensive and realise the finger will keep getting pointed at the West for its role in the Invasion. End of the day it doesnt make me happy or sad as he was no longer making the decisions. It is the ordinary Iraqi who will either suffer or benefit from it as a result. My few cents. RVP Chocoholic I for one don't believe in the 'eye for an eye' punishments. Plus the way the media televised and published footage of the hanging is disgusting. satan-the-redeema



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