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mesheditor yeah , I noticed from the earlier thread " Shocking racisms in Dubai" that expats should really think about it now, if you guys arent happy in dubai and complain about every little thing why staying here? leave some room for others to come and experience it, leave some space for UAE citizens have thier share of the pie. if i was an expat i will be sticking a UAE flag on me everywhere I go.
TheChoosen Good idea, but i think a shirt with a print-on " I LOVE DUBAI" will do it. Chocoholic Because I can drink for free most nights of the week. I get preferential treatment for lots of stuff. I earn lots of money, I have a maid, a car washer, a dog walker. What's not to like?! (PLease note, for people that do not have to capacity to understand sarcasm and irony, please take this opportunity to be introduced to it and look it up - - search - sarcasm and irony! Enjoy!) Mahmoud04 sarcasm is a concept that utilizes irony. For example, if a girl takes an especially long time to get ready as her date patiently waits for her, when she finally emerges, her date might remark with a deadpan tone "Well, you certainly don't take long to get ready." well, what a knowledge I gained today!!! Chocoholic It's a beautiful thing! Mahmoud04 well, name a girl that doesn't think that!!!! :angel9: :angel9: muslimbangladeshi
Sarcasm aside, why aren't u leaving? uaekid
she would man but she has a duty to save humanity here then she'll leave but to where next will remain mystery.
She is part of the western media directed to Muslims and Arabs .and UAE is a juicy place for here type. they can't with stand others being successful, over coming them, they just have to do something about it. and may I add use all here bo…..I mean resources to do so. Humbleman What I find interesting is that the Media and some people in some Western countries accuse migrants of just keeping to themselves and not putting efforts to integrate into the local culture. But from what I’ve been hearing from my friends in the Gulf is, Westerners are mainly interact with their fellow Westerners and mainly live in compounds that reside by their in-group. I am not trying to pick up on anyone, but this forum is for dialogue and understanding. So, isn’t it pure hypocrisy to not do what you preach? How many of you have exerted an effort to learn something about the local culture or can speak Arabic, be honest when answering. Or only the rule apply to others but not you. I’ve read an article about how English speaking countries’ people have to at least learn some other languages to survive in our globalize world, because so many people nowadays from non-English speaking countries have the same skills and education, plus can speak English fluently as well other some other languages. This phenomenon is happening in China, India etc, and even in some Western countries. The company I work for hired a Chinese worker mainly because she can speak English as well as a Chinese gafoorgk
typical arab behaviour. "if u don't like racism or local attitude, leave"

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waelsalem
Lemme tell you something my friend. I have respect to Uae, Dubai. the rulers the laws and everything. i am born in dubai and basically this is my home country.
But on the other hand, Dubai is a good place for expats, and basically the reasons are because natives aren't enough in numbers and qualifications to take over oppurtunity that expats with qualifications and experience have that natives wont provide. Expats here are the gears for this machine to run. Many of you want to kick the expats out. then you would have a great hell of a machine but a very hollow one.
I dont want to generalize. i have met locals here that are very over qualified, and have amazing credentials to their courier, but with all my respect to them and the rest of the nationals. they can only be counted on your fingers.
Once again im not generalizing im talking about sepecific problems and in order im bringing specific examples.
Just wanted to say... That in the end of the day.. im staying here because i want to.. but im staying here because the country here lacks native qualifications that they had to bring me from overseas. pay for my bills, food. accomodation, transportation.. and plus all that give me a fantastic salary...
Thanks :) Hope sometime soon the average native standard will be up to the competition Humbleman
What, you get to be kidding me. I currently live in a Western country and travelled to few over the years. And I’ve heard the same exact phrase over and over again, ‘If migrants can’t integrate or like our ways of do things then why they can’t get out of our country”, from Radio talk back to TV programs to local people.
You see, the beautiful thing about living in a different country is that, it helps us to experience what foreigners usually experience in our own country. I guess we are blind to our own mistakes until we see the same mistakes done to us by others.
It’s funny how we tend to be oblivious to our own mistakes but judgemental and disapproval others’ mistakes.
I agree racism is unacceptable and the good way to eliminate or at least to reduce it is to directly address its cause mesheditor
Preferential treatment !? are you a pimp or something ? mesheditor
Fair enough, I really appreciate your straight to -the-point response. Here is what I think and please don’t take this personal, UAE doesn’t really require those complicated- high tech- NAZA like jobs as many would be thinking. Not at all , we don’t manufacture cars or space shattls etc. UAE now has some sophisticated national endeavors beyond your imagination, mainly, focused on security ,aerospace , IT and business , I got a cousin who is hired by a Japanese oil company in Japan “ , expats left no room for him right here, the same dood got 2 sisters working as doctors in the US, and you can guess the reason..
I am confident that within your own field and everyday as you walk in your very own company, you could see how many unnecessary emoployees around that can be replaced by Nationals or atleast useful expats.. Where I work for example, we’ve got some high ranks expats and I look at them asking myself “ what the hella these people doing here “ they are good for nofin my friend, if you went back to the 80’s you may say that we don’t have enough folks to run some of the industries, but right now , we truly do but you need to dig deeper beyond Dubai, and time is coming for the government to better manage its resources.
I know why are you staying here, and I would do the same if I were you, I will stick around and enjoy the benefits and make my relatives, family and friends enjoy it too, I was just saying that for the UAEs sake, let’s not complain and moan about every little thing here outrageously, blaming the government and the systems for a legacy of the cosmopolitism, again we are the systems, we form it, and perpetrate it’s negatives, We “both Nationals and Expats”. waelsalem Of course i do agree to your points.. i know and i have met... and frankly i am very impressed with the numbr of locals that i have met lately... and u can expect a very bright future and these people will be future leaders of multi national organizations.. that are dubai based.. but in the end of the day... you cannnot pull out the expats.. u might have some reasons to replace them with a local and u think that the local will do the job 100%.. and i agree with you... but we are talking about a very specific critieria of locals that i have full respect to them.. and i see that these guys/gals will have an amazing bright future.. but the sad story that these people we talk about make 20% of the youngsters or the work group... plus if u wanna make it fair? let the locals and expats get the same salaries. and make a competition on the line. and let the locals prove them selves. i am talking this to you from my experience.. i have been raised between locals went to schoo and i went with them to university.. and not many of them are keen to take the ladder all the way from down.. and many of them aren't happy with certain positions.. and many of them dont like it when they have an arab as their manager or western or even an Indian as their manager and all... i dont generalize.. and i wanna make sure i dont... there is a percentage of locals.. that can go anywhere around the world and can excel and carry the name to the top.. but the majority is laid back.. and doesn't stand up to competition.. and thats where expats come and fill the gaps.. and still i say it.. that without the expats in this country... is like burj dubai with first 20 floors and last 20 floors.. and in the middle there are tooth picks.. very solid base.. very high aim and goal... but in the middle there is nothing to support. and take it easy.. dont take me as attacking.. in the end of the day this is my home country.... im not attacking or defending anyone.. i am just talking my opinion looking from the case outside the box... and it is great to hear about your cousins in Japan and US... thats really great to hear about their acheivement.. wish them all their success in their future and yours too uaekid man, they'll keep arguing about it to get you to a point which you can't with stand.. they only get throw heads what they want to get throw their heads nothing else and their are plenty of people around this forum who deliberately ignite the unreasonable flam. gafoorgk
wow!
don't u want to grow boy ?! learn the basics and look up. mesheditor
Fair enough, I really appreciate your straight to -the-point response. Here is what I think and please don’t take this personal, UAE doesn’t really require those complicated- high tech- NAZA like jobs as many would be thinking. Not at all , we don’t manufacture cars or space shattls etc. UAE now has some sophisticated national endeavors beyond your imagination, mainly, focused on security ,aerospace , IT and business , I got a cousin who is hired by a Japanese oil company in Japan “ , expats left no room for him right here, the same dood got 2 sisters working as doctors in the US, and you can guess the reason..
I am confident that within your own field and everyday as you walk in your very own company, you could see how many unnecessary emoployees around that can be replaced by Nationals or atleast useful expats.. Where I work for example, we’ve got some high ranks expats and I look at them asking myself “ what the hella these people doing here “ they are good for nofin my friend, if you went back to the 80’s you may say that we don’t have enough folks to run some of the industries, but right now , we truly do but you need to dig deeper beyond Dubai, and time is coming for the government to better manage its resources.
I know why are you staying here, and I would do the same if I were you, I will stick around and enjoy the benefits and make my relatives, family and friends enjoy it too, I was just saying that for the UAEs sake, let’s not complain and moan about every little thing here outrageously, blaming the government and the systems for a legacy of the cosmopolitism, again we are the systems, we form it, and perpetrate it’s negatives, We “both Nationals and Expats”. mesheditor gafoor, are you here in dubai ? looking back at your statement about Arabs makes me wanna puke.
gafoorgk
well....... u can do that if that's what u want to do by knowing the truth.
also review your own comments. in your last post u r basically saying "i don't want to grow up. i just want to stay where i am and live just the way i live now" Humbleman UAE government has to ensure that its citizens have the priority to jobs if they meet the jobs’ criteria, just like what other smart governments do around the world. In Australia and New Zealand, if citizen meet jobs’ criteria then companies must employ the citizen first. However, I think its imperative that the UAE attracts the world’s brightest, and at the same time, work as hard to speed up its citizens’ readiness to replace these skilful people. These people will go back home sooner or later, it’s a matter of time, but UAE people are the one who will have to take care of their country’s future and development. I am really happy to see Emiratis aiming for high achievements – it’s about time. mesheditor
You are obviously an Arab hater and that is just fine with me, but I doubt that you have the same attitude in front of one.
I am a grown up enough just by not responding to ur crap in earlier threads... I am blessed for not having to deal with guys like you in reality neither able to understand your gibberish about us. gafoorgk
come on........... did i ever say i hate arabs ? i DO hate their attitude just like the one u r showing now. (also check the attitude of uaekid) i'm just pointing out the facts i see in my daily life through MY eyes. u r taking the criticism in a negative manner instead of positive and reply with craps.
it's really time to listen from around yourself instead of forcing your commands onto others. mesheditor you don't have to say that you are an Arab hater, and accept it as my viewpoint about you. remember that you always say that we are not taking the criticism positively yet you think you do! all I am trying to portray here is that you are an Arab hater and have already reflected so by saying " oh typical arab attitude and grow up etc, if you really want people to accept and respect your criticism ( feedback) just respect others openions too. you could have elaborated on the contents of the very first thread rather than personal bashing and stuff like that.. so shut the hell up and move on gafoorgk
lol........ ok dear. u also spoke for yourself. Slayer666
-How can we leave if some Companies are withhelding our passports and refuse to give us a yearly vacation? answers required muslimbangladeshi
Thanks brother for pointing out this truth.
I have been trying to tell this, but you stopped me by saving the ungrateful Western immigrants in Dubai.
If you, (Western nonmuslims) dont like it, and don't allow either freedom of religion, equal opportunity due to racial, religious, national etc biases, you should expect the same.
you should be expected to adap to the local customs and not wander around in bikinis or other brash display of incestuous, lascivious, promiscuous or lewd behaviour. muslimbangladeshi
typical WESTERN (nonarab, nonmuslim) behaviour brother
ALL WESTERN countries demand this of any thing foreign to them, on grounds of religion, race, nationality, language, culture etc muslimbangladeshi
You made a mistake.
Nobody is talking about expats en masse, only those whiny unruly expats who are mostly Westerners who despise Muslims and Islam and want to think they are superior to us, who back in their home countries dont enjoy any of the luxuries they do in Dubai (otherwise they wouldn't be in Dubai, in the first place), who want to see every form of perversion, moral turpitude, corruption, indecency, lascivious, lewd, drunkard, immoral behaviour that they are used to back home - are the ones we want to see expelled.
They can leave voluntarily, make room for locals and like-minded foreigners. The misunderstandings and cultural clashes will be minimized Inshallah if like minded foreigners arrive in Dubai.
Ma'assalam brother. muslimbangladeshi
Either kick them out of the country (we must contact the government of Dubai to trace all the DK, Chocoholics and like minded foreigners).
Or you have to accept their disruptive and troublesome behaviour. It's very hard to accept the latter option. uaekid we are doing what we can but they can't get a hint. beside do you think they have other places to go ?nop. they are holding hard no to leave, they know whats going to happen to them if they leave, like I said in onother thread, they ll go back to hanging their deplomas in the windshield of the taxies they drive back home :) muslimbangladeshi
Assalamu Alaikum brother,
I agree with the 'preference given to locals' approach, it's enforced all over the world (more or less).
While UAE has to attract, retain and also groom the best and the brightest, we must not forget to take into account other factors - social stability, compatibility with Emirati culture and ethos, leaving a legacy for future generations.
The Emirati government must think along all these dimensions. If you don't want to leave a horrible legacy for your children who are totally attuned to Western societies while Westerners treat you worse than dirt in your own backyard, (some of them in this forum treat brother UAEKid very poorly, for example), the Emirati government had better invest heavily in military (for security - weakness invites aggression), indigenous production capabilities in most important and vital sectors of national interest, in research & development, in world class universities, in media, in sports, in political think tanks that formulate coherent, forward looking, comprehensive policies for our Emirati brothers and the wider Ummah.
These positions of vital national security interest can NOT, I repeat can NOT, be delegated to some nonmuslim, foreign, westerner who thinks he is above your laws and rules, customs, traditions, norms, religion, behaviour, values and system. muslimbangladeshi BTW I don't intend to say, the UAE government has done nothing that I have mentioned. It has to do more, that's what I truly hope it does. For example, if most of your Emirati channels and movies watched are sourced from a foreign country that has invaded illegally and killed millions of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, Somalia, Pakistan etc and also depicts ISLAM, MUSLIMS & ARABS negatively in their movies, media, news channels etc, you MUST become independent in your own media propagation activities. Qatar has done a very good job with Al Jazeera English. I have to commend it before I can criticize it for its pro Western, specifically pro American, viewpoint. It has a highly diverse, well qualified staff. Its bureaux are located in different time zones (although two of them are in anglo phone countries, UK and USA). It covers global news from a widely different perspective. Its major shortcoming is its preoccupation with Western viewpoints when it comes to say, depicting Russia. Or handling any issue whatsoever that doesn't involve the Middle East. Most of its 'experts' that it interviews, most of its employees seem to be Westerners or at least its directors are. That's a major shortcoming, and UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and many more of our brotherly countries of great prosperity must establish research establishments, think tanks, WORLD CLASS universities (I know it's easy to say, hard to do) that can formula policies for the benefit of the region and the Ummah and the wider world in fact, to save it from the tentacles of Western hypocrisy and deception. mesheditor muslimbangladeshi , I couldnt agree more with what you have stated above and it seems that you really understand what makes a nation independent and strong to decide for its own. I also emphasize on the point that people from different countries regardless (muslims or non muslimes) will essentially have to adapt to our local systems and try to contribute in its stability, prosperity and to make it a better living ground for everyone instead of bashing UAE nationals for not doing enough. The westerners, eurpians, micheal anglo whatever you call them, will always be what they are and no matter how much time you spend describing their deeds throughout history, you will not be able to change that old fact , that everywhere they go to create some sort of political instability and fragmentation among the people. the key is to know this trick to deal with them. Chocoholic Right you narrow minded little prick - here's a news flash it's all very well having Emiratisation, the problem is, many of the locals don;t actually WANT to work or are incapable of doing the job! If I was the opposite of you! I would be saying all Muslims all Hindus all anyone else of any religion out of the Wetsner countries! If you come here you MUST wear bikini on the beach or speedo if you're a guy. You must drink beer! etc etc etc Don't you understand how utterly ridiculous that sounds?! That's how utterly ridiculous you sound. You sad, pathetic little man! Walla Habibi! Inshallah one day you'll wake up! Oh by the way my arabic isn't bad! mesheditor
honestly speaking, the world is crazy out there and if were them , i would stick around . the other day i got pretty much frustrated when someone said something like we only here to leach out your money and leave you when its all dry so you guys get back to eating dates and stuff like that.
these kind of people that i would like to see exterminated. and seriously these are only minority here so i will never apply the impression i got on everyone i see here. muyesser nationalist parties and ordinary people of other countries around the world scream 'go home paki, romanian, polish, turkish, kurdish', and in uae, 'americans,english, indian' etc.. it's pretty much the same every where really.. so what do we do now; stop living..?? xl Dubai Knight
What a dull world it would be if everyone had to live in their country of birth and never leave it or visit other countries.
It would be like Saudi Arabia.
Or the USA.
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Knight muslimbangladeshi
That's already happened.
Can you name a Muslim nonWestern country that has ordered invasion or mass killing of nonmuslim Westerners? Westerners including your selves are indulging in killing and occupation of Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Somalia directly or indirectly. These are facts we mustn't lost sight of.
Moreover, what was the deal with anti Muslim and anti Islamic rhetoric from political parties in the West and their media. They even insulted the Prophet (PBUH) while in a forum dedicated to Dubai, you Westerners and your lickspittle find it hard to face up to the fact that is Dubai forum, not UK or Western forum?
There have been firebombs, religious attacks, calls for immigrants to be screened using 'compatibility tests' (if they can adjust to seeing topless Dutch females etc) in Western countries.
There are 'skinheads' and so many other groups in the West that no nonwestern country can match it. Of course your obedient lickspittle 'gtmash' etc may be oblivious to these facts; quite obvious given their Western leanings. muslimbangladeshi
Brother I think you are taking this not so seriously. It's a serious issue.
Think about your children. Do you want them to grow up like Westerners?
That's what Chocoholic, Dubai Knight is doing by corrupting your environment, moreover by trying to suppress any and alll voice that speaks out the truth (remember how they threatened me despite Choco thinking a "muslim" is a "muppet", while I made no religious insult) they want to blind you to the obvious realities of life back in their Western countries.
Dubai and UAE should 'filter' foreigners that come to Dubai. The foreigners MUST adapt to local conditions,customs etc.
These insolent Westerners are athreat to your future generation. No offence to your leaders but I think in search for the short term economic benefits of inviting foreigners (which can be any foreigner), your leaders are overlooking the cost to be borne by your future generation. muslimbangladeshi
Your opinions.
Carry no weight. muslimbangladeshi
Well said brother. We mustn't forget they are trying to impose their views on the Emirati establishment with their devious schemes.
They act as if they know it all and they hold the key like the Dutch boy. They suggest what Emiratis should do is follow their lead, moreover they ask what is wrong with allowing promiscuity, prostituion, homosexuality and other sins in the hope that other westerners and likeminded persons like 'gtmash' will support these statements.
Don't be misled by their deception.

Precisely brother. Well said. RobbyG Ignorance is bliss. :shock: Chocoholic :roll: Humbleman This is to Muslimbangladeshi Mate, I am a Muslim myself, but I wouldn’t expect others to embrace everything that I belief in, nor would I embrace everything that they belief in. You see, people who come to the UAE or Dubai in particular, think they are coming to a fun city, because that’s what Dubai has been portraying to the outside world. Not to mention, some people have no idea about the local’s culture or what’s acceptable and unacceptable. So it’s unfair to blame these individuals, the only one to blame is the UAE government of not making their law and culture easily understood by others. I don’t like it when you somehow want others to think that your culture or religion is somehow superior then theirs. I am sorry, but I have t be fair and say so everyone else does. However, if you don’t like my culture then try to educate me about yours in an amicable manner, or otherwise just don’t invite me to the party, it’s that simple. Look, human history is full of tragedies and miseries, I always try to avoid read about it because its makes me feel embarrassed as a human being. I sometime ask myself, when humans will ever learn to respect one another’s right, freedom, culture, lands, point of views, and understand that we all share the same DNA. It’s funny to hear the same thing being said to foreigners in the UAE, because I’ve been hearing the same thing said to migrants in a Western country, that’s where I live – I guess it’s a universal blaming-game after all. Muslimbangladeshi, please don’t generalize, be specific. There are so so so many Westerners who are peace-loving, compassionate and not afraid to stand up against injustice – these people are my heroes and always will be. Chocoholic Great post Humbleman and I salute you for your views. Sadly though I think your words will fall on deaf ears. But it's very nice to know that at least some of us share the same views and can also learn to accept our differences. mesheditor
Your statement about local community makes me want to vomit, it is so disgusting to hear you say this while enjoying the poor guys benefits; you owe me an apology for it. We do have very hard workers, but since they are being appraised by some of your type at the end of the year, of course they gonna be lazy and incapable to do the job and that guarantees your survival here. gafoorgk is the whole forum turning into "war of words" ?!!!!!!!!!!!! Humbleman
No, why would you say that.
It is a good thing when people exchanging their opinions, because it will increase their understanding of one another.
You have to understand that, humans cannot even agree on everything with even their own son/daughter let alone stranger.
8) gafoorgk true, but it seems respect for others opinion is what i find lacking here. mesheditor True, however when someone describes us lazy and incapable to do the job, will eventually get a slap for it by any Emaraty. The Emartization scheme is more complicated than that for certain, and as the name suggests, it’s a western made scheme just to delude poor emaraties and other indigenous in the northern emirates that this is what they are trying to do. “People who live in the Amazonian rainforests never talk of doing anything, they just go and DO IT” uaekid don't mind her mesheditor, she is chocoholic , the brainiac of UAE social affair and locals capabilities. But just to comment on her poor view of us, I for one will not work a DH6000 ! which I guess is the average salary for privet businesses , why would I since there are jobs that pays more I mean why settle for less? Chocoholic
Nope, shant apologise for som ething being true. And please note that I didn't say all, but many or some, which is true enough. I can give you plenty of examples, but quite frankly, can't be bothered. mesheditor Bring your reference or else shut the hell up, or rather just like what BM said the other daY “ your words have no weight “ When you get a problem you have to investigate and get your reference straight, I don’t want you to apologies to me but rather for the citizens of this graceful country, . And I suggest that we talk about Emartization foully campaign in some other thread. RobbyG To Chocoholic; Show em your shoe and walk on. Its not even worth replying to some of these unethicals. Just ignore them, so they get bored by themselves. mesheditor RobbyG, just want to knwo what was so unethical in my ealier post, I am addressing everyone and i dont point stuff personally, I didnt call choco something like a little prick or anything. I really feel that i want to clarify things up when it outsiders from Netherlands like you come over here and bashging and badmouthing my community, calling them names, judge them before even meeting of them. all this is now coming to an end , mark my words ! Humbleman
It is fantastic to see passionate Emiratis want to change the status quo. I like what you are stand up for.
The UAE government should impose a law that oblige companies to train local people to fill certain jobs. UAE people are very smart and fast learner, I know that because I’ve studied with some of them.
Its naïve and condescending to think that certain group of people are lazy or less intelligent. All human beings are capable of doing anything as long as they trained and given the opportunity. RobbyG
You know you only say this to get me on response. I mark my words carefully, and haven't said significant unrespectful remarks about our Emirati friends because I respect everone with good reasoning and arguments. Its the context that matters and I see to much generalisation.
Some have that, some don't. I don't like people who play games like this. I'm done with this thread. Dubai Knight From hard personal experience, I have found that a number of Emiratis think they have a given right to be the boss and are not willing to learn the basics of a job function or task that give you the true understanding of the job. They are looking for a fast track without having to learn the ropes. There are many jobs they could be doing here but simply don't want to follow the natural progression required to have the skills as there will be 'someone' to do it for them. That being said, I have met some locals who are highly skilled at their jobs and take a pride in doing it and seeing it done properly. They have studied hard, worked their way up through the heirarchy, learned each level thoroughly and have a full grasp of the job function. Unfortunately, they are not working in the sectors where the country really needs it. :? :? :? Knight Chocoholic Okay, I'll give you two classic examples. My mother lost her job due to Emiratisation - fine, but once she's gone everyone complained about the local girl that replaced her as she didn't have a clue how to do the job, sat there filing her nails or yapping on the phone all day and basically got everyone else to do the work for her! My father, a manager for a huge corporation here, was forced to take on a national guy due to having to have a certain number Emiratis on the work force, the girls he took on were fabulous and he had nothing but praise for them as they were brilliant. But the guy! Basically couldn't pull a 10 hour shift, would rock up late, go early, fall alseep at his desk, tlak all day on the phone. In the end the guy quit, saying it was impossible for one person to do the job and that it would take three! Bonus, meaning dadio thanks to the guys admission, was allowed to not have to employ locals. mesheditor Now most of your posts talked about the UAE nationals and I think it’s unfair to imply that on all or most nationals. Where I work, I have experienced some useless expats too, they don’t do the job instead they surf the internet all the times searching for cars, boats, hiking gears, mountain bikes etc. I appreciate the examples you gave and those will certainly have some negatives implication on the majority, I personally know some UAE nationals that you could classify them as unskilled and I am dealing with them everyday, nonetheless it’s due to the government system legacy and they can’t be fully blamed for it. Again, It’s the employer’s responsibility to train, assign tasks, then evaluate the results. Dubai Knight
Fine, and then what when the guy doesn't fulfil his tasks, turn up to his training or evaluation meetings, and when he does he spends the whole time chatting on the mobile or trying to get the numbers of the girls in the office, goes home at 2 and laughs because he knows you can't fire him?
I met one local guy who was sent to university in Australia by Dubai Municipality to learn to be a surveyor. He never turned up to a single lecture and ignored all the requests from the university to attend, then complained when they kicked him out? He spent all his days drinking with his Polish girlfriend or smoking shisha and other substances. When DM decided it was time to come home, he just applied for a different course and said he would be a good boy.
Stayed there for 3 years and never got a single qualification but still works for DM! He has a crew of Indian and Philipino surveyors who do his work whilst he sits in the Golden Seashell drinking falooda and chatting to his girlfriend in Australia on the company phone.
Where is the justice in that?
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Knight Chocoholic Agree with that DK, that was the other issue. Couldn't get many of them into training half the time, they just never bothered to show. As I said before, the women work far harder and take a lot more pride in it than the guys do. I wonder why that is. uaekid
Let me give you a bigger example dear.
We in a cretin Gov establishment with lots of services to public had to out source most of the services to foreigner companies ( THE EXPERTS ) now, since those are big GOV contracts with high qualification companies profile required ,so to make the story short….. they turned to be by fare the worst , never seen incompetent European and US companies this bad.
100% foreigner employees companies, non of them knows what he is doing. The ones I sat with and I'm sorry to say this are idiots. In fact one of them who is suppose to be an engineering consultant turned to be a TRUCK DRIVER. And so on with the rest of the crew. Chocoholic Hmm maybe greater research into the company and its employees needed to be done beforehand. K-Dog
Let me argue like MB just to show how stupid it will come across.
Maybe they were infulenced by all the lazy locals here. They could be Moslems pretending to be Westerners for all we know. mesheditor yes I agree, that is merely unacceptable by all means DN. When we interview candidates now we target people from mid class families and those who really want to work because they seriously need it. 3 to 4 moths training, final evaluation to decide if a candidate should continue. Some new-generation kids don't really know the meaning of being broke or hungry, some who come from rich families also can be very irresponsible and not serious about their career. I agree to some extent that its unfair to hire another guy just to do the DM business, its a complete waste of resources. You will be surprised that xpats are somehow evolved in the escalation of this problem and my English VP is one of them, he knows that this phenomena exists within his organization yet he acts blind and so hypocrite when he gets confronted .. and yes, you fire his a** if you want, we did fire few recently. uaekid
I was just trying to make a point here k-dog if it's just a case of pointing fingers!
I guess your mom is still busy with her midnit business meeting to teach you manners boy huh ? enough stupidity for you k the dog :) uaekid
it was done but like most of the diplomas dgrees brought from out side, they are all fake. this is how lazy they are. Humbleman
That’s a racist thing to say. You are jus an intolerant bigot as BM, moderator should give a warning.
So if you are 100% Westerners thus you must be good at everything - that’s shows how narrow-minded and stupid you are. Don’t forget you are working in A Muslim country whose thinking and ideas get you to work for them in the first place.
How could you lump everyone into a same basket, you jerk
It’s not right to use humour as an alibi to insult others. You are not different from MB even though you want us to believe that you are only using MB’s method for fun. It still shows your inner hates and racism toward the local people and Muslims in general.
You are a real peace of SH…….t, say the least RobbyG Make love people, not war. :bigsmurf: mesheditor above posts will have real implications on the long run .. outsourcing must really be handled by an outside company so you're not really telling us something we dont know. I would certainly outsource for my investments if my business get bigger , UAE govs sectors outsourcing when when they are too occupied so they get committed to focus on other more important issues , dont you ever thing that government will embark on such thing to make others benefit , UAE is smarter that this , all governments around the world are doing the same, so its not our way of thinking,. K dog is a guy that i don't really want to response to, not even get glimpse of in real time. UAE makes us what we are today, so lets all appreciate it! long live dubai :) gafoorgk :) i think mb is better in his language compared to some others here. Dubai Knight Cool it everyone. This got dragged off topic although the point under discussion was the outsourcing of services to western companies and them not performing to requirements. I have experienced it myself as many european companies look at the Middle East and just think 'stupid natives with lots of money that is easy to take off them'. Many don't understand the culture and walk away as soon as the haggling begins, others just make the price so ridiculously high they think they will get the work simply because they are european and they are all in for a fat paycheck. The UAE needs to look to its local expat resources, those that have earned the trust and understand the culture, and use them to vet the companies from outside. We are able to see the real and the fake quite easily as well as being able to run the right checks internally to find out how legitimate they are. Quite often they will find that an outside company is not required at all and there are sufficient skills locally. When doing a major project in Saudi, the client wanted everything to come from Dubai. After a week of research, everything was found in KSA and the only things to come from Dubai were fireworks and me. 8) 8) 8) Knight K-Dog Just chill out and take a joke for once. I myself said it was stupid to say and wanted to make a point about Bangladeshi's posts. Have a sense of humor. gafoorgk 'humor' must have had a new definition lately. :roll: :roll: :roll: RobbyG
Sarcasm is getting redefined too, If you ask me...
Some people just need to see a bit more of Peter Russel (the stand-up comedian).
He's a good laugh now and then. Racism out of the door people! Its all fun. :D
edit: within the proper context offcourse :wink: gafoorgk depends on what humor or sarcasm is made dear Humbleman
I do have a sense of humour.
I have very good friends from all races and colour, and we beat the heck out of each other especially when it comes to joke. I tease my Europeans friends with a joke like this, “hey, how come your mum forgot to leave a bit longer in her oven (womb). In return, they use all sort of crazy jokes on me. We cool with that, because we are very close friends – no hidden agenda.
Here is an example of bad joke:
In my city we have a mental-ill white group who called themselves “white supremacy” and calling for Hitler’s ideology to be brought back. They take to the street from time to time holding swastikas etc. Ppeople threw rubbishes at them every time they do it.
Now, if I go to white folks whom I never met, and say a joke like this, “you guys are racist because I saw your fellows’ skinheads holding swastikas”. How would you think this innocent people would react to my joke, am sure they’d kick the hell out me. Why, because first the joke is stupid and tasteless, second because I’m using a twisted minority’s action and put it into a joke to demean a whole race. See, it’s not right, huh.

You see, UAE and other Gulf countries are rapidly developing, and they are determined to speed up their societies’ advancement, economically and educationally. In the Arab world it’s a tradition to learn from the best in order to be the best in the future. However, I think that there are wide misconceptions throughout the region that, people who are educated in the West are ought to be good, which is not the case sometime. Japanese students hardly go abroad to study, yet they are on the top when it comes to innovation, technology etc.
Last week a group of secondary school from China went to a trip to Australia for an inter-education program, teachers were shocked to find these Chinese students are far more superior at math, science than even Australian high school student. This discovery has made the Australian education minister to shakes up their education system.
Things are changing worldwide, countries are now well aware that they have to made dramatic changes to their systems to catch up and cope in the 21st century – look at Indian for example. It’s not wrong to copy a good system that’s working well in a European country or in India etc – after all, humans are imitators by nature. Most the technologies that we are using today were based on old versions.
So it’s just logical and wise to judge everyone on his/her merit and personality. Not to mention, as a professional, your work ethic requires you to sincerely point out the things that you think would benefit your organization, and try to leave a positive change so when you go back home people would remember you in a nice way. If I was working the UAE, I would do my best to help them to achieve their long term goals, because it is the least you could do in return for a country that opens its door for you.
Peace/Love muslimbangladeshi Brother, it's a ridiculous notion that Westerners are more advanced in education! Where your gov't and public get such rubbish ideas from I have no clue, I dont mean to offend you and our brothers Emiratis. Look at International Maths Olympiads, Int Maths Contests (for University students), Int Phys/Chem Olympiads, PISA studies etc. ALL indications point to the fact that Westerners are nowhere near the top in education. Their students are junk most of the time. It's sad that Arabs and Emiratis despite having the richest environments are not anywhere as successful in education and look up to Western education when in reality most other rapidly developing or advanced countries in education take it (western education) as child's play (mostly). Whether it be Russia, other USSR members (former), developing countries of the Orient (China, Korea), or our brotherly country of Islamic Republic of Iran - easily the most advanced country in the Muslim world in academic terms and many other terms as well despite Western sanctions, propaganda, schemes and threats - the students from these countries always trump the Western ones. I feel sad for our Arab/Khaleeji/Emirati brothers that they are even behind the West in education standards, you should learn from our Iranian brothers as should we and anybody else. Maybe it's because Iran is one of the only Islamic countries in the world. There is statistical correlation afterall, which is what many immature westerners (poorly trained) rely on exclusively for determination of causality. muslimbangladeshi
Slightly wrong!
They are the third grade rejects of Western society who find no employment in their own home countries.
So they move to some nouveau-riche nonwestern country where the establishment and masses revere the Westerners to no end, and these third grade rejects are seen as highly sophisticated, educated and capable professionals by the ignorant locals (like in Singapore, Hong Kong, UAE, Qatar etc). muslimbangladeshi
Dog, your humour is not appreciated as it was not even funny.
If you are not a Muslim in Dubai, and think of that way about Muslims, why stay in Dubai in the first place? Just leave. Chocoholic
Oh it is very much appreciate and hilarious!
You're not even here so I don't know you're moaning about in the first place. muslimbangladeshi Miss alcoholic do you think it's wise to 'survey' a new country/city/emirate from your home to get a feel for how it works, what the locals are like, its norms and traditions are like, before you venture into the unknown? well, i never thought westerners would care, their history shows that and so does their present. mesheditor i kind of disageed with you badly muslimbangladishy and on the other hand I am falling in love with you .. don't call locals from UAE ignorant again, we are not ignorant, we're probebly the smartest in the world now for many factors and i dont really want to eloberate on this. trust me i have lots of data to support this statement. I am falling in love with you beause of THIS " If you are not a Muslim in Dubai, and think of that way about Muslims, why stay in Dubai in the first place? Just leave" THIS IS FROM A PROUD MUSLIM Chocoholic :roll: Proud, but seemingly with a terrible attitude towards others. mesheditor
Maybe terrible, but hey we don't really tend to be this honest in dealing with one an other and that's what this forum is all about .. TheChoosen THIS IS FROM A PROUD MUSLIM @mesh: Have you seen anybody here ending his/her post with: THIS IS FROM A PROUD CHRISTIAN??????????? Remember: we are all human beeings mesheditor frankly speaking , with all the stuff we do on day to day, we arent really practicing religions but obviously with all religious bashes i felt like saying that, at the same time I am not saying that we are in a differant level among human beings or anything, it is totally irrelevant. and I wouldnt mind hearing people saying they proud of their religion. muslimbangladeshi
Alhamdulillah brother,
the truth is set to remain and falsehood to perish.
I don't mean to say individual locals of UAE are ignorant. But collective action favouring Westerners for their 'superior' education which is not superior but inferior to Islamic Republic of Iran's students and that of Korea, China, Russia and so many other countries is what I had in mind.
If our Emirati brothers knew (and if Bangladeshis knew) that we should look to copy and excel our Iranian brothers in education and academics, not look towards some drunkard and homosexual westerner for guidance on academic, scientific and similar matter, we would be better off and our alliance would be unshakable Inshallah.
I feel ashamed that neither Bangladeshi nor Emirati nor Kuwaiti, Saudi, Egyptian or many other Muslim countries' students perform very well in International Maths Olympiads, International Maths Competition (for Uni students), International Physics (and other sciences) Olympiads, or ACM-ICPC (International College level programming contest).
The only ray of hope in those contests is our Iranian brothers and sisters. Iran is of course one of the few Islamic Republics in the world and perhaps the only country that supports Muslims and acts against Zionist and Anglo American axis' terroristic, deceptive, violent and treacherous actions and schemes. muslimbangladeshi
I think the German ruling party is called the Christian Democrat? Or is it the second largest party?
Dubai is a Muslim Emirate and the UAE is a Muslim country. This is what foreigners must remember after learning the fact that headscarves are banned in Western European countries like France and Germany's school.
The fact that these foreigners are even allowed to speak and discuss in foreign languages while engaging in their own lascivious, promiscuous, immoral, lewd and sinful activities is wrong and unjust. They should be shown the door if they don't adapt to Emirati customs and system. Chocoholic I think religion as a whole should be 'banned'! You should all be forced to become Jedi! The 'force' is where it's at! Dubai Knight Beware the Dark Side! I have forsaken some of my Jedi powers in place of gaffer tape: It has a dark side, a light side, and it binds the universe together!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Knight Chocoholic
Gaffer tape! Ahhhh what a genius invention! It's got me out of many a pickle. kullervo
True dat. I'll bet that if you ever met face-to-face with a non-Emirati who spoke or discussed things in languages other than Arabic, you'd let him have it!
That said, you might want to avoid mirrors from here on out. They shatter, and you could hurt your hand. Just trying to help. Chocoholic
It's hard to learn arabic here. I was taking lessons and would try to converse with my arabic friends and they would all talk to me in english, made it impossible. RobbyG
Maybe they don't want foreigners to 'invade' their language and keep it to their privacy for as long as possible. :?
This keeps them up front when talking behind your back on the streets.
just kidding :lol: Humbleman
Dear sweet Choco
The truth is that, your friends are a little bit selfish. They wanna practice their English at the expense of your desire to learn a different language. You should be assertive and tell them to help me out to learn Arabic. They’ll do it if they are true friends.
I am learning Chinese now, and I always make it clear to my Chinese friends when we get together that I need their help to learn Chinese. rudeboy
lol hahah good one. muslimbangladeshi
We saw how well Communism worked with the Soviets. muslimbangladeshi
Betting is another of Westerners' evil promiscuous, wanton and evil ways.
I would get rid of this scourge if I were you.
You conveniently left out the part about Westerners' promiscous, lascivious, lewd, drunken stupor filled behaviour. That's the gist of that post, mate.
While your advice on mirrors is valid in the West, maybe I have my own ways to deal with it. muslimbangladeshi
:lol:
Shows you Western 'intelligence', the Dutch intelligence specially. muslimbangladeshi
OK Las Vegas is Muslim owned too, isn't it?
What are the largest casinos in the world again ? Chocoholic Yawn! same old drivel. Interesting how you only log on when no-one else is around. Do us a favour and don't bother at all. Now, I have to go get ready for my poker game, with a glass of whiskey on the rocks. :roll: mesheditor this thread is a myth , I haven't got my answers yet RobbyG
On what exactly do you want answers?
On that bunch of mess you edited? 8)
No really, this might lighten you up a bit; This thread is a myth you said. This is what Wikipedia tells you about that;
A myth is a sacred narrative in the sense that it holds religious or spiritual significance for those who tell it, and it contributes to and expresses systems of thought and values.
Use of the term by scholars implies neither the truth nor the falseness of the narrative.
To the source culture (read: the basic souls), however, a myth by definition is "true," in that it embodies beliefs, concepts, and ways of questioning and making sense of the world.
In a way, be careful with what you say (rhimes) :roll: Dubai Knight
Yeah, right.
Go to Nad Al Sheba horse track pal...
UAE Stock exchange...
Any casino in the world (full of good muslim Arabs and Bangladeshis playing the tables)
Evil gambling and betting, we should get rid of this Arab scourge...
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Knight mesheditor
Methodology is my business and you dont wanna go there yet .. save wikipedia for googlers and not searchers of knowledge.
Pay for the knowledge ,, mesheditor
I hear you bro RobbyG
Are you trying to say, you know everything?
Thats nonsense and you know that. Because its your business expertise doesn't mean your the best in the business.
Financial experts in Wallstreet also got paid enormous amounts of money for their 'expert' services to the economy... Look where the US economy stands nowadays! They know nothing!
You don't wanna go there...or do you want to be held accountable for every word you say? ....if so it shall be written...on DF :wink:
Bring it on Barney Rubble. I can punch a few words if ya like. I did pay for my knowledge and trust me...Wikipedia is respectable. 8) Dubai Knight
So what?
Don't go there if you don't want to.
They are not in your miserable corner of the world, so you can't complain.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Knight muslimbangladeshi
How conveniently does the hypocrite brush away FACTS now? haha
So what? Let me quote you

That's what I am talking about mate.
And if you don't like upright, Islamic countries that abhor homosexual Western immoral hypocritical drunken stupor filled incestuous orgy, you are free to leave Dubai for your "miserable corner of the world".
Remember I replied thus

I think some Western lazy bums have been badly hurt.



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