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WHY SOME... TRYING TO CHANGE THE PERSIAN GULF NAME TO OTHER?


RedKite Now that Gulf is brim full of oil !!! Under water as well as dry soil ! There's oil and there's gas, And PLENTY of BRASS!! Arabian Gulf?? Of course!! ...and no toil !!
RedKite Is the Gulf Arabian or Persian ? It depends on your kind of persuasion !! If you live in Dubai, It's "Arabian" you buy!! You agree with the Government's version !!!! reza PERSIAN GULF;NOTHING ELSE;IS IT RIGHT?EVRY BODY KNOWS THAT;MY NAME IS REZA NOTING ELSE I DONT KNOW Y U WANT CALL ME EDWARD :arrow: :?: Chocoholic erm no you will get strung up for that! It's the Arabian Gulf and nothing else! Captain Australia The diary I was given at work had some maps at the back and it called the 'Persian Gulf' just 'The Gulf'. .. .. Of course, it also showed an unnamed country somewhere between Lebanon and Egypt. Don't know why it wasn't named, but its capital Jerusalem was shown. ha! Chocoholic We had to redso a load of diaries printed with Persian Gulf as the locals got offended. Americans usually call it that. But it should be referred to as the Arabian Gulf. bezor Sorry Chocoholic but it is and always has been called Persian Gulf. It’s just the last few years that some Arab countries start to call it Arabian for nationalistic purposes. If you look at maps as recent as 400 years ago, you will find that all the land around Persian Gulf belonged to Iran. I think after the last complain by Iran some Arab countries stopped paying map companies to print “Arabic Gulf”. Now they print the right name even in Gulf News. The last one to be corrected is Google Earth. Chocoholic Hmm interesting. Most companies I know, certainly wouldn't use that. Not here anyway. Speedhump The UK calls the English Channel just that, the French call it La Manche. At least they don't have fights over it :D What's in a name? It depends where you stand I guess. Considering you're just talking about a part of the 6 billion year old Earth I guess no-one really owns any of it to say you must call it this or that, it in the grand scheme. Chocoholic Very true.

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quatroporte
In the past before 1960 it was called Persian Gulf and that is true... but now it is known as the Arabian Gulf or in Arabic; Al-Khaleej Al-Arabee
The only people who are ranting about this are the Iranians them selves... so just get over it.
:lol: Red Chief
Hm, I learnt about "Arabian Gulf" only on arriving to the UAE. It's called as "Pesrsian Gulf" in most countries so far I think.
quatroporte
true because all the history books are still refer the old name... UN still refer to this body as Persian gulf.
however, this body of water is shared by 1 Persian country vs 6 Arab countries. I think it does make sense to call it Arabian Gulf
the name came out when the Persians used to rule those lands.. well ehhh not anymore :D
but honestly... who cares... call it what ever.. its just funny how the Iranians are the only people in this world are so offended Chocoholic If you google some more, you'll find that most 'western' countries call it the Persian gulf. To arab countries it's the Arabian Gulf. RobbyG In terms of talk, Western people simply call it the Gulf. But the lap of water in the north near Kuwait is actually named the Persian Gulf and the southern part near the UAE is called the Arabian Gulf (Arabian Peninsula) :sign7: Lets name it what you like. Oil comes mostly from the Persian Gulf for all I know. Hence the abundant use of the word in the media. Cheers bezor [quote="quatroporte]
In the past before 1960 it was called Persian Gulf and that is true... but now it is known as the Arabian Gulf or in Arabic; Al-Khaleej Al-Arabee
The only people who are ranting about this are the Iranians them selves... so just get over it.
:lol:
Well if you did not try to pay your way to make everybody call it Arabian, we would not rant about it. :D bezor
Who cares? Then maybe they start to call Emirates the 15th province of Iran. If it’s so unimportant then it should not matter. :D
That one country is the big power of this area. You keep saying Arabian and that’s why you start hearing some Iranian saying Bahrain is the 14th province of Iran. And you keep saying Arabian and soon they start to include Emirates in there.
Do you really want to play this game with those people? sage & onion
The English call a certain item a "French letter", the French call the same thing an "English letter" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: desertdudeshj Well I don't see The Africans or the Australians or the Asians asking to change the name of the Indian Ocean.
reza "Persian Gulf will remain Persian Gulf" Express your disgust at such a heresy by Arab-bribed National misinformation Geographic reza :idea: reza The Persian Gulf is a waterway that stretches far back into history, it was from its shores that the mighty Persian Empire, the worlds first and greatest civilisation, rose to conquer what was then, the known world. By its shores, the ships of the ancient world traded, and paid homage to the mighty Empire for whom this Gulf was named. When the armies of the Macedonian King Alexander rampaged through the Orient, he stopped at the Persian Gulf, and believed it to be the end of the world. The river Oceanus he thought, circled the world from here, to the Caspian and then onto the Mediterranean. Witness to thousands of years of civilisation, war, success and tragedy, the Persian Gulf entered the modern era becoming the worlds largest source of fossil fuels and thus enshrining its importance as the worlds most strategic waterway. In recent years, revisionism from certain groups has seen an attempt to change the name and history of this ancient gulf. RedKite I was involved in this argument a few months ago, when I was sent Emails by Iranians complaining about me referring to the "Arabian Gulf" on my two web sites, and .
However, if you look at the sites, I have tried to be very fair and USE BOTH NAMES....with an explanation.
There is no doubt that at one time, this body of water was known IN ENGLISH as the "Persian Gulf", but as has been said, the "English Channel" is "La Manche [ "THE SLEEVE" IN ENGLISH.......GOOD NAME...IT LOOKS LIKE A SLEEVE!!]
So, what did the ARAB NATIONS on the southern shores call that body of water years ago?
As has been said, there are far more ARAB NATIONS on the shores of the Gulf , than Persian........WHICH ITSELF DROPPED PERSIA IN FAVOUR OF IRAN........so why is not "Iranian Gulf" being claimed??
Mind you, my National Geographic atlas.....one of the WORLD TOP SELLERS ....has "Persian Gulf".....but ALSO HAS ABU ZABY , for ABU DHABI and DUBAYY FOR DUBAI !!
If the Arab countries........WHO OWN SOME OF THE GULF WATER AND EXTRACT OIL AND GAS WEALTH GALORE FROM IT.......WANT TO CALL THE WATER RIGHT ON THE SHORES OF DUBAI AND ABU DHABI .....AND SURROUNDING QATAR AND BAHRAIN ........ARABIAN GULF.....I WILL GO ALONG WITH THEM.....OUT OF COURTESY.
BUT I ALSO EXPLAIN THAT THE BODY OF WATER IS KNOWN TO OTHERS IN THE WORLD , AS "PERSIAN GULF".
To English -speaking MAP-MAKERS, it is MAINLY called "Persian Gulf" still. THE TIMES atlas says "Persian Gulf".......but did THE TIMES AND NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC ASK THE ARABS ON ITS SHORES??
What, out of curiosity , did ARABS call this water 100 years ago, say??
Another point , BOMBAY has been changed to MUMBAI and MADRAS to CHENNAI.....by INDIANS !!.
Now, NO-ONE IN INDIA ASKED THE ENGLISH.........AND WHY SHOULD THEY ???? RedKite In English it's called a French letter , Cos the English think it sounds better!! It can be a Johnny, But never a "Ronnie" But "Biggs" might "come" when you've met her !!! reza
There are those who are unaware of the historical truths and while they do not bother to study the history of the region, they unintentionally contribute to a psychological warfare against the Iranian people. Among them, are certain elements in the U.S.
Defence Department, especially those who serve in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Bahrain. In order to appease local sensitivities, "they" use "Arabian Gulf" instead of the "Persian Gulf' simply to please their hosts, unaware that they are refusing to accept historical facts and international usage. Indeed they are offending the national feelings of the Iranian nation.
The ancient Greek geographers and historians called this body of water "Sinus Persicus". It is interesting that since before the time of Christ until as late as the 17" century, the world greatest historians and cartographer s from Strabon and Ptolemy to famous Flemish geographer, Mercator, along with Arab historians referred to the Gulf south of Iran as either "Sinus Persicus" or " Mare Persicum", as distinct from "Arabicus Sinus", the name they used to refer to what is known as the Red Sea.
The "Arabian Gulf' was the ancient name of the Red Sea, actually a gulf prior to being connected with the Mediterranean via the opening of the Suez Canal. For the last two millennia the term "Persian Gulf' has been used universally by historians, geographers, scholars, strategists and politicians. Also Arab historians and geographers from Ibn al-Mujawir to Yusuf Kamal, author of "Monumenta Cartographica", used "AlKhalij al-Fars", or Persian Gulf. The late president Sadat of Egypt, in his book, "Revolt on the Nile", correctly identified the Gulf by its historical and original name. Anyone who has troubled himself to look at antique maps, contemporary writings and research documents, historical accounts of the region and encyclopedias written either by western or eastern observers and scholars would conclude that there is but one single name that is applicable to the Persian Gulf. It is the practice of the White House, the State Department, the U.S. government agencies and also the United Nations Secretariat, and National Geographic Society, to use in the document and maps the term "Persian Gulf" to indicate the body of water between Iran to the north and east and a number of other states to the south and west. It is a long established usage that is followed by publishers of atlases and geographical dictionaries.
It was in the 1950s that and in order to manipulate the simple yet vital nationalistic sentiment of its people, that the then Iraqi president Colonel Abdol Karim Ghasem, ventured to refer to the "Persian Gulf', as the "Arabian Gulf'. His intention was to create a new common enemy for the Arab world which were busy fighting Israel under the guidance of Egyptian Colonel, Gamal Abdol Nasser, and to divert the attention of Arab world from Nasser's leadership in Egypt to his own in Baghdad. This strategy back-fired in the true sense of the word The scholastic community in Baghdad as a whole, and the faculty in the Baghdad University, especially due to overwhelming amount of historic and geographical evidence, reaching back to records as ancient as 2.5 millennia, refrained from supporting the belligerent and the unfounded claim of Colonel Abdol Karim Ghasem.
Even later, when President Gamal Abdol Nasser under the pretext of enhancing his Pan-Arabist ideology proceeded to use Ghasem's self-invented term for the "Persian Gulf', he was instantly reminded of his own earlier comments wherein he had emphatically described the boundaries of the Arab World as: "Menal Moheet al-Atlasi elal Khalij-ol Farsi " (from Atlantic Ocean to the Persian Gulf)
As mentioned before, throughout history, educators, historians, travelers and geographers have always referred to this region as the "Persian Gulf"not only because of the vast coastal lines of various Persian Empire or the number of its Persian/Iranian inhabitants, but simply, and in their own words, to recognize the noble notion that, "The Persians were the first to have developed and greatly improved this part of the earth"
Therefore, to apply the term "Arabian Gulf' or any other name to the Persian Gulf is an error, and indeed is to become a party to the psychological warfare mainly aimed against the Iranian people. Thus, this change of historical name, especially by some in the service of the U. S. government who are serving in the region is entirely absurd, counterproductive, and does not serve the interests of the United States.
We can hope that sooner or later, the rule of reason and rationalism will triumph in Iran and liberty and democracy will replace the Theocratic regime in Tehran. Iranians and Arab must live together in peace. The Untied States and the Arab nations of the region need to deal with the people of Iran, in a just and equitable manner, just as the Iranians need to deal similarly with their neighbours. Furthermore Iran must re-establish friendly relationship with the United States on the basis of mutual trust and equality. The U.S. Department of Defense and especially the Navy which always take geo-strategic factors into consideration, must also take seriously the historic sensitivity and the rightful concerns of the Iranian people.
It should be remembered that for three decades prior to the revolution in Iran, the Pentagon trained close to 30,000 members of Iranian Armed Forces and considered Iran a principal element of the regions stability. It ought not forget the past and close the door to future friendly relationships that will indeed be essential for stability and peace in the Persian Gulf. It should be remembered also that the Iranian Navy played a crucial role as the stabilizer for two decades following the British withdrawal from the Persian Gulf in 1971. Indeed it was the Iranian Armed Forces which defended both north and south of the Strait of Homuz against Marxist subversion. On one hand it prevented the fall of Oman, and on the other hand thwarted the Yemeni inspired guerrillas to undermine the Persian Gulf Sheikdoms.
Iran is a land bridge between two centers of the world's most important energy zones, and the only power among the Persian Gulf states that has the capability to undertake military operation beyond its own frontiers. Iran is in the heart of the Eurasian Corridor. Because of its geo-strategic location, population, resources and cultural identity it can play a decisive role in the security of the Persian Gulf.. Iran was once a moderating force and it could, once again become a moderate regional force, friendly to the United States.
For more information and clarification we would like to refer the readers to following publications mostly written by historians, geographers and scholars regarding the Persian Gulf. We are certain that only through rational channels we can shed light on and sort historical facts from baseless propaganda, which were at one time aimed to toy with the territorial integrity of Iran, albeit currently being directed in reaction to the short-sighted policies and irresponsible political behaviour of the ruling clerical regime of Tehran.
1) Revolt On The Nile, Anwar Sadat, John Day Inc. New York, 1957
2) Monumenta Cartographica et Aegypti ( Le Caire), Yusuf Kamal, 1926-51.
3) Geographie, De Strabon, Paris, 1805
4) Historical Geography of Iraq, Mohammad Rashid, Baghdad University, 1965
5) Science and Civilization of China, J. Needham, Cambridge University Press, 1959
6) The Past History of Arabs and Islam, Omar Abdol-Nasr, Beirut, 1962
7)Political History of Islam, Dr. Hassan Ibrahim Hassan. Cairo, 1935 RobbyG Thanks for the abundant amount of information that I already shortened in one sentence on page 1 of this topic. Northern part of the Gulf: Persian Gulf Southern part of the Gulf: Arabian Gulf Wikipedia is very handy indeed. But Google Earth also indicated both names very clearly when you zoom in far enough. In my version however, the Arabian Gulf name is indicated with a slighty larger font type...perhaps that gives some people the final push ;) :lol: bezor
I guess if the French start to pay everybody to call the Chanel La Manche, then you would get pissed off.
The main concern is that the Arab governments got the message and start to call it by its right name in their newspapers. The Persian Gulf. Finito. quatroporte
well said.
By the way... Wiki did quote that Persian Gulf was changed to Arabian Gulf in the ATLAS but Iran made so much fuzz about it (as usual) and it was changed back to Persian gulf.

Speedhump
Good point. Maybe Argentina would also start paying other countries to call the Falkland Islands 'Las Malvinas' ....
:D Chocoholic Wiki is nt a reliable source. The information on this site is put up by random people and is not verified. Speedhump
On the other hand, Wikipedia often includes a lot of references to scholarly material at the bottom of a Wiki page, which can be followed to provide further reading. Wikipedia is useful as a small part of an online investigation, but I agree its veracity can't be taken for granted. :) RobbyG
A 2005 study tells me otherwise:
A study in 2005 suggested that for scientific articles Wikipedia came close to the level of accuracy of Encyclopædia Britannica and had a similar rate of "serious errors." Chocoholic True. However, everyone I know and all the businesses we deal with will alwaysrefer to it as the Arabian Gulf and nothing else. Speedhump LOL. In my business both are used! :D RobbyG
Exactly :wink:
Keeps everybody happy. Both North and South. Misery Called Life
Well the guys at Wiki are making a conscious effort to improve. They've even opened up a second office in India. Wiki is a fab initiative. And if anyone got a few extra pennies, then he could donate to the Wiki cause. Speedhump
I agree, the idea is great, and if its openness to manipulation is brought under control it's a hugely useful resource.
I will consider donating to it, thanks. I never thought before. reza In 330 B.C, the Achaemenid Empire established the first Persian Empire in Pars (Persis, or modern Fars) in the southwestern region of the Iranian plateau. Consequently in the Greek sources, the body of water that bordered this province came to be known as the Persian Gulf. Considering the historical background of the name Persian Gulf, Sir Arnold Wilson mentions in a book, published in 1928 that: “ No water channel has been so significant as Persian Gulf to the geologists, archaeologists, geographers, merchants, politicians, excursionists, and scholars whether in past or in present. This water channel which separates the Iran Plateau from the Arabia Plate, has enjoyed an Iranian Identity since at least 2200 years ago. ” No written deed has remained since the era before the Persian Empire, but in the oral history and culture, the Iranians have called the southern waters: "Jam Sea", "Iran Sea", "Pars Sea". During the years: 550 to 330 B.C. coinciding with sovereignty of the first Persian Empire on the Middle East area, especially the whole part of Persian Gulf and some parts of the Arabian Peninsula, the name of "Pars Sea" has been widely written in the compiled texts. In the travel account of Pythagoras, several chapters are related to description of his travels accompanied by Darius the Great, to Susa and Persepolis, and the area is described. From among the writings of others in the same period, there is the inscription and engraving of Darius the great, installed at junction of waters of Arabian Gulf (Ahmar Sea = Red sea) and Nile river and Rome river (current Mediterranean) which belongs to the 5th century BC where, Darius, the king of Achaemenid Empire has named the Persian Gulf Water Channel: Pars Sea With the rise of Arab nationalism (Pan-Arabism) in the 1960s, some Arab states of the region started adopting the term "Arabian Gulf" (in Arabic: الخلیج العربي al-khalīj al-ʿarabī) to refer to the waterway. However, this naming has not found much acceptance outside of the Arab world, and is not recognized by the United Nations or any other international organization. The United Nations Secretariat on many occasions has requested that only "Persian Gulf" be used as the official and standard geographical designation for the body of water. Historically, "Arabian Gulf" has been a term used to indicate the Red Sea. At the same time, the historical veracity of the usage of "Persian Gulf" can be established from the works of many medieval historians. At the Twenty-third session of the United Nations in March-April 2006, the name "Persian Gulf" was confirmed again as the legitimate and official term to be used by members of the United Nations. Speedhump Thanks reza, very informative. Platts , the 'leading global provider of energy and commodities information, with a century of business experience, serving customers across more than 150 countries'.... ....use the term AG in their daily oilgram newswires. One in the eye for the U.N. AND Iran !! :D :D bezor
Good for you. Wonder how much that cost the Arabs. Sure they take your money as always and print that to make you happy for a while. Sorry but Arabian Gulf started with Saddam and ended with him. And I think what UN usually dose gets into your eyes, not Persians. :D At some point you have to understand you cant buy respect. It’s earned by your actions and progress. Try that for a change.
But when back to reality, it’s The Persian Gulf. Your ancestors called it so and so should you. :D
By the way, all I see on Platts pages is PG. Speedhump
Not good for me....I don't mind either way :D Speedhump
31--HI Sulfur Fuel Oil (Resid) Conversions Either Side of **
New York (Platts)--29Apr09/0639 am EDT/ 1039 GMT
C=Change from Prev. Day's Price !=Today's Price
Spor 180CS! 44.86**44.86 +9.88 291.58--291.62 +9.88
Spor 380CS! 45.13**45.13 +9.63 288.82--288.86 +9.63
Arab 180CS! 43.93**43.93 +9.88 281.13--281.17 +9.88
CIFARA 3.5 41.43**41.18 261.00--261.50
NWEFOB 3.5 40.08**39.84 252.50--253.00
MEDFOB 3.5 41.67**41.42 262.50--263.00
CIFMed 3.5 42.82**42.56 269.75--270.25
NYCar 2.2P 41.65--41.85 266.56**267.84
These are contractions for geo. areas, NWE=N.W.Europe, Spor=Singapore, Arab=Arabian Gulf.
But as I said I neither know nor care whether anyone here or on the moon (the U.N. counts as that) believes that AG or PG is correct, there are more important things to argue than when the Persians gave up what are now Arab lands ;) Speedhump also
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Above posted just for sake of information, I seriously don't want Iran to be nuking Dubai over a name... ;) bezor
For sure you work and argue hard for somebody not minding either way. :D Speedhump Only interested in accuracy, LOL, we can leave it now! :D RobbyG
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Accuracy? Ok, so get your facts right. But I guess I’m talking to death ears which seem to be a common disease in this part of the world. :D
Your right. We leave it now. Speedhump
Deaf ears you mean. Tell me which FACTS I got wrong? We can't leave it now.
Come on, quote one of my posts and show a wrong fact that you saw.
You call me deaf, I'll call you blind then! :P bezor
The fact is that none of you Arab countries even existed until recently. Most of you were tribes under the British rule. I mean, look at your borders. Straight lines just like all North Africa. Iran is a country with thousands of year’s history. And all the land around the Persian Gulf belonged to Iran as recent as 400 years ago.
Now we have some Arab countries (well cities to be correct) in the South and England divided what used to be Iraq into two countries. We are happy for your new identity and actually support you most of the time. But here again you try to shoot yourself in the foot.
I understand there are some Arabs who like their countries to be in the big league. But if you feel beaten by your enemies and can’t fight them back, you can’t compensate that by trying to steal from us. You as an individual have all the right to think what you want. The problem was the governments and they got the message.
As a friend of Arabs I will let it go here. I am sure you will find more facts to support your opinion.
Good luck Speedhump
My friend you are a loon. I am not an Arab country and I am not an Arab. I said none of the things you ascribe to me. I never even expressed an opinion, so you are shooting at completely the wrong target! :D
You can't unfortunately follow a simple thread. I told you you way back I have no opinion on this silly argument. I guess your thinking is too wooly or your mind too enraged to remember who said what here and rather than go back and read the thread again you just will attack whoever is in your line of sight. LOL. reza fact? :) in fact for some of arabic countreis this is only a game ;they r just playing;even they dont know what they r talking about;if they win (no way;no how)fine if not ;nothing to lose but fact for other countries;they dont want lose any thing here;if they want deal with iran they calling it persian gulf and if they want to get a deal with others they will call it arabic or any thing else but what is the fact for iranian ? money or game ? Tim Patterson Persian Gulf...what about Arab gulf? Tim Patterson Yikes, just read all the posts...seems the Persians and Arabs might have a bit of an awkward relationship, hmmm? Speedhump It's only pride at stake, no money or international reputation, because no-one else cares a toss! ;) reza http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/scud/scud_ref/n04en011/d054602.gif reza :violent2: bezor
Only pride??? Pride of your country or heritage might not be important for you but it’s important for most people which is obvious even on this forum with people from different nationalities. And I don’t know why anybody else should care since it’s an argument between Iranians and Arabs.
As I’ve told before to my Arab neighbors, they did not even exist as countries until recently. Most of them were Bedouins under British rule. You do the math…
If it’s of such low value to you, maybe you don’t mind if others start to call your country or part of it something else. By the way, what country are you from? Speedhump
I'm from the UK. As I have said above if you missed it (if you are new to forums, I would advise that you need to read whole threads before posting in them), the French and British have always disagreed about the name of the English Channel. We don't pay foreign map makers to print our version; we understand that national pride is not served by such petulant foot stomping. The Middle East and Subcontinent however are full of such lovers of rhetoric and meaningless symbols, which can be whipped up into nationalistic frenzy quite easily. As I said, only pride.
You begin local Arab history only during the period of British rule? Convenient for you. ;) bezor “lovers of rhetoric and meaningless symbols”??? I guess the British went half way across the world to the Maldives (oh sorry Falklands) for vacation. Have yet to meet a Britt not correcting me when I say Maldives. I know the Arab history of the land around The Persian Gulf. Do you know your Arab history or is it just what you heard from your family? You should know that it is common for people migrating to other part of the world to remember their old land as something of an oasis. But I see you have adapted the superior attitude of the British. They have deserved it. I admit to that. :D Speedhump
hahaha!!!! I don't think you mean Maldives. Perhaps Las Malvinas? As I said, it's a shame that you still have not read the whole of this thread as you might have used the correct name which I already mentioned. I can imagine why you get corrected when you name islands that are in another hemisphere entirely.... :roll:
The Falkland Islands are populated by people who without exception wanted to remain British, not be Argentine. The Falkland Islands over the centuries in fact have belonged to various nations, but I think never to Argentina....your knowledge of this matter is obviously very poor indeed.
In any case, the matter of the occupation of land as sovereign territory is very different to the naming of bodies of water over which no country at all has sovereign rights . You are being a little silly mate. Stick to local matter and history where you may have more luck, although I still cannot believe that you think there were no Arabs in this region prior to formation of the Trucial States (also known as Trucial Oman) by the British. Exactly who do you think the British were governing when they came here? Asking me where I received my knowledge of history is no substitute for telling us what you think. So there were no Arabs in this region before the British came? I know the region was very sparsely populated, are you saying it was populated entirely by Persians? Please explain, as I am obviously confused.
My 'superiority' in terms of knowledge over you seems obvious, I claim no other superiority, and you are being offensive by saying that I do. I'm sorry that you feel my statement of clear facts leads to you to believe that I am doing anything other than pointing out your errors. It was after all you that criticised my post first.
I hope your understanding of the facts is improved now. No hard feelings from this side. ;) Nucleus I wonder what dino's used to call it? Persian changed it to Persian gulf, now Arabs changing it to Arabian gulf... names change with time, get over it. :roll: bezor
Sorry for printing the name wrong. It’s Malvinas. Was in a hurry.
I understand the dilemma of some Arabs regarding their efforts to create a new identity, especially the ones in EU and even more the second generation born in EU. Wanting the Persian Gulf to be Arabian seems to be part of it. Having been a teenager myself, I know things can be confusing. If it makes you feel better then go ahead and call it Arabian.
Since we seem unable to understand each other, I suggest we both think what we want and be happy about it. No hard feelings from this side either and good luck. Speedhump Yes it may be really about young nations trying to create an Arab identity, as Arab countries seem to have trouble uniting, politically. So perhaps it's not only about pride. Thanks for the thought, which I really hadn't considered. Personally I call it Persian Gulf anyway :) RobbyG
Creating identity is the key reason behind this dispute.
Iran's international isolation among the upcoming economic GCC block is a driver for that reason. Speedhump Wow it took us 5 pages of cr*p to finally come up with the answer? :D :D RobbyG
Some cameldrivers are slower than others ;)
This should have been in your enyclopedia by now :D Speedhump I'm including you with the slowcoaches, dear toiletclogger...the topic was WHY SOME... TRYING TO CHANGE THE PERSIAN GULF NAME TO OTHER? and you only just came up with the answer too (after bezor actually) :D :P 8) RobbyG
Because I think this topic was another 'fun' topic.
After 2200 years of Persian Gulf, the Arabs (since 100 years) try to gain some identity by renaming it Arabian Gulf, but historically speaking, its still the Persian Gulf in my eyes.
I do understand the momentum of Irans economic isolation together with 50 years of GCC rise, that this issue rises to the occassion.
Economic power just raises ones competitiveness and mankinds demanding nature. Perhaps Iran will one day step forward and put the heels in the sand and locks every economic driver in the region.
Wanna bet it will be renamed Persian Gulf again ;)
In the meantime: Lets keep both parties happy and name the northern part: Persian Gulf and the southern part: Arabian Gulf.
Everybody happy :idea: Speedhump Everybody happy...not sure, you and I are of course...but this matter obviously hits some sensitive nerves if you look thru the posts! Not just a fun post for some :!: :D RedKite 6000 years of Persian Gulf ? Don't think so! How long have the Persians been in Persia? The English only left Germany for Britain 1500 years ago.....and spoke GERMANIC. Today's English only dates back 600 years. Whatever the Persians called it was a term in their own language. RobbyG
I did some further webresearch and the Persian Gulf has an Iranian identity for some 2200 years. I edited from 6000 (shout) to 2200 (determined).
Nonetheless its Persian Gulf with respect to history.
Cheers reza :!: RedKite Hi Robby , How's it going? I'd like to know how long the Netherlands has been "Holland" ?? I mean places like Friesland ; Utrecht ; Mastricht etc . How long have they been in "Holland"?? RobbyG
Allright Red Kite,
For once and for all, I'll explain it ágain: ;)
Official international name is: The Netherlands
Historical influences of the VOC fleets that explored the worldseas sailing from coastal "Holland", (provinces Noord-Holland and South-Holland) are known with the Spanish fleet as "Ollandes".
The French name us: Les Pays-Bas.
Our countries economic centre named 'Randstad' is spread across Noordholland and Zuidholland (provinces). Amsterdam (capital) is located in Noordholland.
Holland is historically allowed.
The Netherlands is politically correct :D
....sigh 8)



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