Why no hatred for USA/UK and its kindreds?

muslimbangladeshi Why are the Arab and Emirati forum members like Humbleman, uaekid, mesheditor, and other muslims in this forum (and elsewhere too) not in favour of directing their hatred towards USA and its kindred? Why do you only hate the Zionists who are but a tiny dot - insignificant in every way imaginable - that can't survive without USA? Moreover zionist atrocities over its last 60 year history pales in comparison to USA and Western atrocities in their history. Even in last decades and continuing, USA and UK etc has invaded and killed millions of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc Why are you so pro USA/UK/West only hate the Zionists?

uaekid I hate all of them, not the ppl but the GOVs foreign policies , they have created tourists all over the world and made it an unlivable place and categorized human been they way they like it and smashed their believe of democracy with Guantanamo prison and its military court. and I hate them for creating such a bad picture of the Islamic world and used their media to brain wash their naive nations with stereotypes and lies and made them such a believer they are now, at least most of them. they slowed down the nations connectivity's, love and harmony process . and us the nations are making it worse by fighting and them cashing in their goals. Never the less Hate wont solve problems MB , it will actually numbs your brain from thinking and making good decisions in how to beat the enemies. muslimbangladeshi Hating alone won't solve the problem, we need to think of united front. we need to act urgently, we must unite in all forms - military, economy, technology, education and so on. TheChoosen Oh, yes, pls....join the Al Quaida and become a suicide bomber Chocoholic 'Hate' is a very strong word people! There should be no hate between human beings, we are all made of the same stuff after all. Do you seriously think we approved of what our Governments have done? No, the majority of us did not and do not agree with many of our foreign policies and what they have done to places like Iraq, it was wrong and everyone knows it. Do you think as a UK citizen, that I agree with my Government blindly following Bush and his idiotic decisions? No I certainly do not. But there should be no 'them' and 'us'. We all share this planet, we all live here, everyone has a right to live the life they want, so long as it doesn't harm others. Chocoholic MB, people like you and your extremist views, go completely against the goals of the human race as a whole. People like you will keep the wars going. People like you will never learn to live in peace. It's people like you that need to be dealt with as you stop the progression of a united 'race'. Dubai Knight Maybe the other Muslim members of this forum would care to react to MB's open declaration of single handed jihad against all things western? He wants a united Muslim army with full nuclear capability to invade the evil west and scour it of immoral influences. And who decides what is immoral? MB? He will have anyone who is not muslim rounded up and put in cages and maybe introduce a showering system to solve the problem of so many infidels. Muslimbagladeshi=Adolf Hitler He was mad as a box of frogs too... :roll: :roll: :roll: Knight TheChoosen maybe worster than Adolf gafoorgk

'Hate' is a very strong word people! There should be no hate between human beings, we are all made of the same stuff after all.

absolutely right. but what did we see in Gaaza ?! what do we understand from the silence almost every government keeping on this issue ?!!

Maybe the other Muslim members of this forum would care to react to MB's open declaration of single handed jihad against all things western?

apart from the extremism shown by mb, i completely agree with him when he asked for unity in all forms among arabs. it doesn't mean that this united front is to attack anyone, but it is to defend themselves. one doesn't have to go join al quaida for that. Red Chief MB, Why do you always hide behind your religion? Muslim countries differ each other as much as Christian ones... IMHO religion isn't enough to unite very different countries... There were Muslims who killed each other in millions as mad dogs in Iran-Iraqi war and all Arab world supported "secular" Iraq, not Muslim Iran... The same Muslim brothers invaded Kuweit and destroyd all country and US were the only force who stopped Sadam from father conquest...

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TheChoosen Maybe he´s the brother of Sadam SADAMBANGLADESHI LOL Chocoholic Oh wait now he's gonna jump all over you, because you replaced 'Muslim' with 'Saddam'. He'll call you racist and disrespectful and a hateful person now :roll: TheChoosen GREAT, thats what i need in the morning, like a big cup of coffee, lets wait till 2morrow. Or does this sounds better: ADOLFBANGLADESHI LOL, maybe he will quit after he saw the links you and i posted dubai1970 I wanted to say the following because no matter what political topic is started, everything just becomes so religions, at the end. Religion has always played the central role in every nation of all times-whether we admit or not is another issue, most of the times hate against other religions (crusade wars) and some times different fractions within (shia sunni, catholic-protestant etc). You know the irony is, every follower claims that their religion (or no religion in general) never advocates hate, wars but rather love and peace. I mean come on think about it, If every religion binds its followers to love peace and then this is at the very heart of its ideology, then why its followers implement the complete opposite in their actions and claim that they are doing all this on the name of religion??? See ? its not about we or them, its about us as one living on this planet. If religion blinds you or anyone else from seeing the world as one but with divisions then perhaps thats because you were born in that community? I am a muslim by birth but I studied Islam and also other religions to the best possible means and I chose Islam by choice later. I have no issue if another person chose a different one or none for that matter. Chocoholic and others are giving the same treatment to MB what he deserves but can we just think about why all this hate among us in this forum? Cant we as humans tend to agree on the injustices being done across the world irrespective of east, west or otherwise religion? MB, chocoholic is saying that she does not endorse what her govt is doing for that matter, so isn't that something you should respect her for? Don't you see so many issues in the muslim world? Just saying lets unite (economic, military bla bla) will make you what? Are they not the children of God as you are? Why does God has to be on your side and not on theirs? Think about it seriously.....and lets all of us talk about the ills of the world in a mature manner. Cheers daisy

Red Chief wrote:
MB,
Why do you always hide behind your religion? Muslim countries differ each other as much as Christian ones... IMHO religion isn't enough to unite very different countries...
There were Muslims who killed each other in millions as mad dogs in Iran-Iraqi war and all Arab world supported "secular" Iraq, not Muslim Iran...
The same Muslim brothers invaded Kuweit and destroyd all country and US were the only force who stopped Sadam from father conquest...

U r rite abt all tht but do u really gone through sm brief study before commentin like this???
I am sorry to say tht it was not abt muslims against muslims....it was about race for oil and energy sector through out the world...
even 2 brothers will be carryin diff opinions....
Wht happened in iraq and iran ...was not abt shia and sunni....it was well planned scenario by sm undercover political regimes who call them the MOST DEMOCRATIVE one....
they want oil reserves and new markets for their weapons ...
so dont try to act as MB
If he is talkin non sense...y r all others respondin and doin wht he wants. dubai1970

daisy wrote:
- Red Chief wrote:
  MB,
  Why do you always hide behind your religion? Muslim countries differ each other as much as Christian ones... IMHO religion isn't enough to unite very different countries...
  There were Muslims who killed each other in millions as mad dogs in Iran-Iraqi war and all Arab world supported "secular" Iraq, not Muslim Iran...
  The same Muslim brothers invaded Kuweit and destroyd all country and US were the only force who stopped Sadam from father conquest...
U r rite abt all tht but do u really gone through sm brief study before commentin like this???
I am sorry to say tht it was not abt muslims against muslims....it was about race for oil and energy sector through out the world...
even 2 brothers will be carryin diff opinions....
Wht happened in iraq and iran ...was not abt shia and sunni....it was well planned scenario by sm undercover political regimes who call them the MOST DEMOCRATIVE one....
they want oil reserves and new markets for their weapons ...
so dont try to act as MB
If he is talkin non sense...y r all others respondin and doin wht he wants.

I agree with most of what you said except :-)
Cheers gafoorgk

daisy wrote:
If he is talkin non sense...y r all others respondin and doin wht he wants.

i have been wondering that. in fact, mb is better in his language if u compare his posts with some of responses given to him by some veteran members. Red Chief

daisy wrote:

I am sorry to say tht it was not abt muslims against muslims....it was about race for oil and energy sector through out the world...
even 2 brothers will be carryin diff opinions....
Wht happened in iraq and iran ...was not abt shia and sunni.. .

I wrote exactly the same. Probably you don't understand due to my bad English or your prejudice....
The wars were for resourses, intetrests and many other things among religion... dubai1970

Red Chief wrote:
- daisy wrote:
  
  I am sorry to say tht it was not abt muslims against muslims....it was about race for oil and energy sector through out the world...
  even 2 brothers will be carryin diff opinions....
  Wht happened in iraq and iran ...was not abt shia and sunni.. .
I wrote exactly the same. Probably you don't understand due to my bad English or your prejudice....
The wars were for resourses, intetrests and many other things among religion...

I actually agree with daisy that the wars were actually started (not on religions fractions) but for vested interested of certain groups, but later the same forces made it look like it started on the bases of religion. Thats what I wanted to say in the beginning, that these evil forces are present in every society, and are exploiting the resources. What happened in the recent global financial crises, every one is being affected and I think this could be a blessing in disguise...
Cheers

Red Chief

dubai1970 wrote:

for vested interested of certain groups ,
evil forces

It was really great speech... dubai1970

Red Chief wrote:
- dubai1970 wrote:
  
  for vested interested of certain groups ,
  evil forces
It was really great speech...

Thanks dude. ;-) kanelli dubai1970, you make good points. I'd like to point out though, that the only hatred currently coming from this forum is contained in the posts by adolfbangladeshi. I don't know why it needs to be explained again, but as Chocs mentioned, citizens of Western countries are not happy with what their governments do all the time. Big business and political ties with other countries are influences beyond the control of the average person. There is a lot of critique by citizens about how their governments conduct their foreign policy in the Middle East. We have people marching, writing petitions, and forming and running NGO's to do aid work in countries affected by bad foreign policy. However, governments are lobbied by economic and political forces to act as they do, for an agenda that not all citizens approve of or even know the end-game for. Do you expect us to violently overthrow our governments because they are actively or passively letting things happen in the Middle East? Do you expect us to create instability and unrest in our home countries which can cause political crisis and damage the economy? We are all just trying to survive and have a good quality of life every day - going to work, feeding our families, living peacefully in our towns and cities. If you think yes - all Western citizens should overthrow their governments because of bad foreign policy, then return to the question of why governments of the Middle East haven't been overthrown by their citizens in order to change the domestic and foreign policy to what they want? Aren't we all in the same pickle? Economic and political barriers make instant change difficult. I would have to say that Americans have taken a step forward by booting out the Republicans and bringing in Obama, who has already promised to right some wrongs. Tony Blair was already booted. Unfortunately, in Canada we elected a conservative moron who butt kissed Bush, but that was because of a political crisis affecting the former Liberal government (see - domestic issues can over-rule foreign policy in voter's criteria). Why do we Westerners/non-Muslims collectively deserve to be wiped out and our culture written off by people of the mindset of adolfbangladeshi who think that an Islamic way of life is the only way to live, and our government's actions should condemn us all as individuals? Are Western/non-Muslim people on this forum calling for Islamic people and culture to be wiped off the planet, because Christianity is superior and the only path? I think it is obvious that adolfbangladeshi's hatred of Westerners is abnormal, unjust and distasteful. He needs serious help to get rid of the hate, because it looks to me like it is consuming his life and that won't lead to good things - for him, or for any Westerners who might cross his path. Dubai Knight

kanelli wrote:
dubai1970, you make good points. I'd like to point out though, that the only hatred currently coming from this forum is contained in the posts by adolfbangladeshi.
I don't know why it needs to be explained again, but as Chocs mentioned, citizens of Western countries are not happy with what their governments do all the time.
Big business and political ties with other countries are influences beyond the control of the average person. There is a lot of critique by citizens about how their governments conduct their foreign policy in the Middle East. We have people marching, writing petitions, and forming and running NGO's to do aid work in countries affected by bad foreign policy. However, governments are lobbied by economic and political forces to act as they do, for an agenda that not all citizens approve of or even know the end-game for.
Do you expect us to violently overthrow our governments because they are actively or passively letting things happen in the Middle East? Do you expect us to create instability and unrest in our home countries which can cause political crisis and damage the economy? We are all just trying to survive and have a good quality of life every day - going to work, feeding our families, living peacefully in our towns and cities.
If you think yes - all Western citizens should overthrow their governments because of bad foreign policy, then return to the question of why governments of the Middle East haven't been overthrown by their citizens in order to change the domestic and foreign policy to what they want? Aren't we all in the same pickle? Economic and political barriers make instant change difficult.
I would have to say that Americans have taken a step forward by booting out the Republicans and bringing in Obama, who has already promised to right some wrongs. Tony Blair was already booted. Unfortunately, in Canada we elected a conservative moron who butt kissed Bush, but that was because of a political crisis affecting the former Liberal government (see - domestic issues can over-rule foreign policy in voter's criteria).
Why do we Westerners/non-Muslims collectively deserve to be wiped out and our culture written off by people of the mindset of adolfbangladeshi who think that an Islamic way of life is the only way to live, and our government's actions should condemn us all as individuals?
Are Western/non-Muslim people on this forum calling for Islamic people and culture to be wiped off the planet, because Christianity is superior and the only path?
I think it is obvious that adolfbangladeshi's hatred of Westerners is abnormal, unjust and distasteful. He needs serious help to get rid of the hate, because it looks to me like it is consuming his life and that won't lead to good things - for him, or for any Westerners who might cross his path.

Good point K
Adolfbanglabumboy also seems oblivious to the fact that his extremist rantings are also against the mainstream of decent Muslim belief and, if he were to stand up in public in some Arabic countries and state things in this way, he would be quietly led away by the police and locked in a dank cell as the plaything of some drug crazed 200kg axe murderer for the rest of his days.
We have the option to simply ignore his diatribes or attempt to debate logically.
But then I am just a running dog of the imperialist capitalist evil degenerate fornicating alcoholic murdering western system...what would I know?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Knight busa I think that this prat is not what he says he is,no one could be stupid enuff to spout such hatred,everything the prat posts is just to get a rise out of everyone,i think that he/it is a computer program as all his reply's to everything are basicly the same and no rational Humanbeing would do that,there is never any variation in his posts it just mixes the words around. If it is human i would liken him to some mentaly abnormal outcast who is neither well travelled or well educated his attacks on the Dutch i find very amusing,he see's Mr & Mrs cloggy and there 2 blond kids as a familly who goes out on a Friday night to watch a live porn show,why ? well thats all they have in Holland aint it ?i can only assume that he has been there,as for the Brits and yanks killing a million Iraq's i can again only assume that he has visited Iraq and seen this,but in the Iraq i have just spent a year in i saw lots of Iraq's blowing up other Iraq's,as for the freedom of religeon in the UK well the UK that i come from would have a Church,Mosque,Temple,and all the other places of worship on the same street and maybe the call to prayer isnt sounded by loud speaker but at least you know its there and you are free to go there whenever you please,is this true of Bangladesh ? i knows it aint true in the KSA. All my posts are based on the fact that i have seen things with my own 2 eyes,they are not based on propaganda,news papers or what me mate thinks he saw. Get out of your cave MB and sample the world,sample different cultures. I still think that you are a cheeky chappie and i am glad that i make you laugh it shows that i am making in roads and building bridges. Anyways gotta go as i bumped into 3 lesbians a weed smoking donkey and a dwarf dressed as a gladiator last night and they all want to have my child. RobbyG

TheChoosen wrote:
maybe worster than Adolf

No, I don't believe that he is worse than Adolf.
I think he's more like this...
&NR=1 Dubai Knight

busa wrote:
I think that this prat is not what he says he is,no one could be stupid enuff to spout such hatred,everything the prat posts is just to get a rise out of everyone,i think that he/it is a computer program as all his reply's to everything are basicly the same and no rational Humanbeing would do that,there is never any variation in his posts it just mixes the words around.
If it is human i would liken him to some mentaly abnormal outcast who is neither well travelled or well educated his attacks on the Dutch i find very amusing,he see's Mr & Mrs cloggy and there 2 blond kids as a familly who goes out on a Friday night to watch a live porn show,why ? well thats all they have in Holland aint it ?i can only assume that he has been there,as for the Brits and yanks killing a million Iraq's i can again only assume that he has visited Iraq and seen this,but in the Iraq i have just spent a year in i saw lots of Iraq's blowing up other Iraq's,as for the freedom of religeon in the UK well the UK that i come from would have a Church,Mosque,Temple,and all the other places of worship on the same street and maybe the call to prayer isnt sounded by loud speaker but at least you know its there and you are free to go there whenever you please,is this true of Bangladesh ? i knows it aint true in the KSA.
All my posts are based on the fact that i have seen things with my own 2 eyes,they are not based on propaganda,news papers or what me mate thinks he saw.
Get out of your cave MB and sample the world,sample different cultures.
I still think that you are a cheeky chappie and i am glad that i make you laugh it shows that i am making in roads and building bridges.
Anyways gotta go as i bumped into 3 lesbians a weed smoking donkey and a dwarf dressed as a gladiator last night and they all want to have my child.

Mate...
You crack me up sometimes!
RAOTFLMAO!!!
PS. Can I have my gladiator costume back, I need to repair the little flap in the arse...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Knight kanelli busa, I wish he was just a prankster, but I think he might really be mentally disturbed. dubai1970

kanelli wrote:
dubai1970, you make good points. I'd like to point out though, that the only hatred currently coming from this forum is contained in the posts by adolfbangladeshi.
I don't know why it needs to be explained again, but as Chocs mentioned, citizens of Western countries are not happy with what their governments do all the time.
Big business and political ties with other countries are influences beyond the control of the average person. There is a lot of critique by citizens about how their governments conduct their foreign policy in the Middle East. We have people marching, writing petitions, and forming and running NGO's to do aid work in countries affected by bad foreign policy. However, governments are lobbied by economic and political forces to act as they do, for an agenda that not all citizens approve of or even know the end-game for.
Do you expect us to violently overthrow our governments because they are actively or passively letting things happen in the Middle East? Do you expect us to create instability and unrest in our home countries which can cause political crisis and damage the economy? We are all just trying to survive and have a good quality of life every day - going to work, feeding our families, living peacefully in our towns and cities.
If you think yes - all Western citizens should overthrow their governments because of bad foreign policy, then return to the question of why governments of the Middle East haven't been overthrown by their citizens in order to change the domestic and foreign policy to what they want? Aren't we all in the same pickle? Economic and political barriers make instant change difficult.
I would have to say that Americans have taken a step forward by booting out the Republicans and bringing in Obama, who has already promised to right some wrongs. Tony Blair was already booted. Unfortunately, in Canada we elected a conservative moron who butt kissed Bush, but that was because of a political crisis affecting the former Liberal government (see - domestic issues can over-rule foreign policy in voter's criteria).
Why do we Westerners/non-Muslims collectively deserve to be wiped out and our culture written off by people of the mindset of adolfbangladeshi who think that an Islamic way of life is the only way to live, and our government's actions should condemn us all as individuals?
Are Western/non-Muslim people on this forum calling for Islamic people and culture to be wiped off the planet, because Christianity is superior and the only path?
I think it is obvious that adolfbangladeshi's hatred of Westerners is abnormal, unjust and distasteful. He needs serious help to get rid of the hate, because it looks to me like it is consuming his life and that won't lead to good things - for him, or for any Westerners who might cross his path.

I would like to ask MB, is this what you are, the way she described you? If yes then god have mercy on you. We never have any hate or disrespect to western people rather serious issues with the policies of their governments. And if you really want to stand up against their policies , then the first thing you do should do is to correct your own governments, can you do that? If not then don't blame the commoner in west, he or he is just like a normal person going too busy in own issues.
Having said above, I find it odd how some western people misbehave in this forum, thats not right too.
Anyway, Only the wisest and the stupidest of men never change. Lets hear both sides and try t o bring some peace.

Cheers kanelli Sorry, but a heck of a lot of people misbehave on this forum - it is an internet forum after all ;) Do you have higher expectations of the Western posters? RobbyG You know what is wrong with some people? They simply can't separate fun talk with serious talk. And these forum sections aren't setup for the die-hard discussions of the intellectual few. If they wanted the upper serious core of people, or at least behave like them, they would have set up a rule for every poster/commenter to follow like they want you to behave. They could even "discriminate" you by asking to perform a IQ test before acceptance to become member. As a matter of fact, I'm member of one of those boards. This isn't the case here at DF. Everybody is welcome. Doesn't that please some of you people out there? It surely helps me keep my foot out of all serious things in my life. I act as I please on this forum, with the moderate rules DF has imposed on us. If you want serious talk. Find another (e.g. war) discussion fora out there on the world wide web and become a member. You can talk war all you like, all day long! Now, lets keep it simple. Enjoy Dubai Forums as it is. dubai1970

kanelli wrote:
Sorry, but a heck of a lot of people misbehave on this forum - it is an internet forum after all ;) Do you have higher expectations of the Western posters?

Well actually from one ;-)
cheers kanelli Hey, I always behave myself. :wink: Chocoholic

kanelli wrote:
Sorry, but a heck of a lot of people misbehave on this forum - it is an internet forum after all ;) Do you have higher expectations of the Western posters?

I'm sorry, I have ADD and get bored very very easily, especially when some keeps writing the same old tripe over and over and...ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz kanelli Tell me about it. I hope adolfbangladeshi won't be back with more of the same old same old. Get your scroll button ready Chocs :) Dubai Knight

kanelli wrote:
Tell me about it. I hope adolfbangladeshi won't be back with more of the same old same old. Get your scroll button ready Chocs :)

Its been a while since Mumblingbangabumboy has posted? Its quiet out there...
Too damn quiet!
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Knight RobbyG Totally true K. I wonder if Bangladesh experiences floodings again...so quiet... A well, a small break won't hurt a man/woman. Regain some vocubolaric strength before sending those ICBM's phrases up his tar-palace again. Maybe the CIA did lift him from his bed this morning after all that anti-Western talk of his. I surely wouldn't be surprised if that happened. I would feel a tad saver if they checked us out by now. You never know what this MB guy is up to... TheChoosen

Dubai Knight wrote:
- kanelli wrote:
  Tell me about it. I hope adolfbangladeshi won't be back with more of the same old same old. Get your scroll button ready Chocs :)
Its been a while since Mumblingbangabumboy has posted? Its quiet out there...
Too damn quiet!
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Knight

Just read it in CNN: They have a problem with the internet connection in Guantanamo bay, so Saddambangladshi is dammed to be quiet :shock: :shock: muslimbangladeshi

Chocoholic wrote:
'Hate' is a very strong word people! There should be no hate between human beings, we are all made of the same stuff after all.
Do you seriously think we approved of what our Governments have done? No, the majority of us did not and do not agree with many of our foreign policies and what they have done to places like Iraq, it was wrong and everyone knows it.
Do you think as a UK citizen, that I agree with my Government blindly following Bush and his idiotic decisions? No I certainly do not.
But there should be no 'them' and 'us'.
We all share this planet, we all live here, everyone has a right to live the life they want, so long as it doesn't harm others.

It's ironic coming from you.
Aren't you and other Westerners the 'champions of freedom' and 'democracy'? In that case, aren't your governments answerable to your public? Doesn't it make your public complicit in the crimes they committed and continue to do?
And now you blame me for bringing these facts to the fore? muslimbangladeshi

Red Chief wrote:
MB,
Why do you always hide behind your religion? Muslim countries differ each other as much as Christian ones... IMHO religion isn't enough to unite very different countries...

Muslim countries differ but not as much as Christian countries.
Christian countries don't have the Hajj - pilgrimage to Makkah- or a similar event where whole world's Christians congregate.
The Hajj is the proof that all Muslims have similarities and can shed the differences for a common goal.

There were Muslims who killed each other in millions as mad dogs in Iran-Iraqi war and all Arab world supported "secular" Iraq, not Muslim Iran...
The same Muslim brothers invaded Kuweit and destroyd all country and US were the only force who stopped Sadam from father conquest...

Saddam Hussein led a secular government, and that is the situation you are describing. It explains all the issues raised in your post.
Saddam Hussein was against religion and supported by weapons, money and political aid by West and other countries. Look at what happened to him and his country.
Is it a coincidence they were secular too? muslimbangladeshi

TheChoosen wrote:
GREAT, thats what i need in the morning, like a big cup of coffee, lets wait till 2morrow.
Or does this sounds better:
ADOLFBANGLADESHI
LOL, maybe he will quit after he saw the links you and i posted

We all know you are a moron. Like already repeated numerous times (by me), you may be an idiot, but you don't have to publicize that so loudly all the time.
Adolf hitler was your kin and kith, german isn't it? muslimbangladeshi

dubai1970 wrote:
Chocoholic and others are giving the same treatment to MB what he deserves but can we just think about why all this hate among us in this forum? Cant we as humans tend to agree on the injustices being done across the world irrespective of east, west or otherwise religion?

Can't agree akhi.
If we could agree on injustices, we wouldn't be seeing USA and UK killing millions of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Somalia etc.
It's those countries' citizens you are backing for no good reason while I call for justice. And mere calls won't be heard unless you ensure you have the might to enforce justice.
That's why looking at the future (next few decades) we need to unite the whole Ummah.
Look at the rise of China. Look at how USA is declining and dragging the whole West down with it.
If the Muslim world were to unite, no USA nor UK nor any other Western puppet would dare to invade any part of it, nor would Humbleman or other brothers need to plead westerners for mercy or justice.
We need to look after our own interests, we can't ask or expect others to help us out. That's very simple to follow isn't it?

MB, chocoholic is saying that she does not endorse what her govt is doing for that matter, so isn't that something you should respect her for? Don't you see so many issues in the muslim world? Just saying lets unite (economic, military bla bla) will make you what? Are they not the children of God as you are? Why does God has to be on your side and not on theirs? Think about it seriously.....and lets all of us talk about the ills of the world in a mature manner.
Cheers

Tell that to the millions of innocents who have died due to her government. Isn't her government elected by her and her compatriots? If anything, she and other Westerners should be held responsible for all their crimes as they claim to be 'democratic' and try to act superior over other regions including Dubai by providing advice on what is right and what needs to be done. By acting condescendingly.
If anything, since Saddam Hussein was repressive and secular, he didn't represent Iraqis in which case they are not responsible for any wrong SH may have done.
Moreover whether SH was evil, wrong or whatever, there is no legal, logical or humane reason for invasion of Iraq and killing so many innocents.
It is our responsibility to look after ourselves, don't forget that. That's why a united front is necessary. muslimbangladeshi

kanelli wrote:
dubai1970, you make good points. I'd like to point out though, that the only hatred currently coming from this forum is contained in the posts by adolfbangladeshi.

Adolf isn't a bangladeshi name. Another western idiocy.

I don't know why it needs to be explained again, but as Chocs mentioned, citizens of Western countries are not happy with what their governments do all the time.

Who elects these Western governments? So who is responsible for ur govt's actions?

Big business and political ties with other countries are influences beyond the control of the average person. There is a lot of critique by citizens about how their governments conduct their foreign policy in the Middle East. We have people marching, writing petitions, and forming and running NGO's to do aid work in countries affected by bad foreign policy. However, governments are lobbied by economic and political forces to act as they do, for an agenda that not all citizens approve of or even know the end-game for.

Aren't they Western groups you are talking of? Didn't you say that you are not a lascivious lewd promiscuous immmoral Westerner? Didn't you also say you wanted to take off your trousers in public in an airport?
Didn't you also say that it's only right Muslims are discriminated against in nonmuslim western airports? Why do you make a pathetic excuse when it's your turn to bite the bullet?

Do you expect us to violently overthrow our governments because they are actively or passively letting things happen in the Middle East? Do you expect us to create instability and unrest in our home countries which can cause political crisis and damage the economy? We are all just trying to survive and have a good quality of life every day - going to work, feeding our families, living peacefully in our towns and cities.

Do you expect us to take all your gibberish nonchalantly while you continue to kill millions of our brothers in Iraq, Afghanistan and so on? Do you expect us to blithely invite your lascivious, lewd, promiscuous, homosexual and erotic kinds in our midst after your aforementioned actions?

If you think yes - all Western citizens should overthrow their governments because of bad foreign policy, then return to the question of why governments of the Middle East haven't been overthrown by their citizens in order to change the domestic and foreign policy to what they want? Aren't we all in the same pickle? Economic and political barriers make instant change difficult.

No. Millions of nonmuslim Westerners aren't being killed, tortured, maimed or occupied by Muslims. The situation is vastly different. Blaming a handful of people to avoid responsibility is a common tactic that commonly fails to impress the knowledgable and shrewd persons.
Who brought those governments to power? who are the people that form the militaries, the bureaucracy, the government offices of western governments? Westerners only!
And that's who you must blame.

I would have to say that Americans have taken a step forward by booting out the Republicans and bringing in Obama, who has already promised to right some wrongs. Tony Blair was already booted. Unfortunately, in Canada we elected a conservative moron who butt kissed Bush, but that was because of a political crisis affecting the former Liberal government (see - domestic issues can over-rule foreign policy in voter's criteria).

Your opinions in this case are worthless. USA pledged blind allegiance to zionists already. How is a new government going to undo the damages done by the previous one ? By restoring the dead? By rebuilding the damaged Iraqi society and Afghan infrastrcture etc?

Why do we Westerners/non-Muslims collectively deserve to be wiped out and our culture written off by people of the mindset of adolfbangladeshi who think that an Islamic way of life is the only way to live, and our government's actions should condemn us all as individuals?
Are Western/non-Muslim people on this forum calling for Islamic people and culture to be wiped off the planet, because Christianity is superior and the only path?

Westerners in this forum have railed against Islam and even the Adhan in a forum dedicated to a Muslim country/emirate/city.
Westerners in their own countries have called for invasion of all Muslim countries and bombing all of them. Westerners have called this a start of a new 'crusade'. Westerners are the ones who caricatured and insulted the Prophet (PBUH) not other way around. Westerners are the ones who have ACTUALLy already killed and invaded millions of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Palestine etc. And threatened Iran, Pakistan, Syria and so on.
Have you heard of Graham, Pipes, etc other anti Muslim feverish Westerners who are ALLOWED to live and propagate such tripe in the West?
What a load of hypocrisy that I haven't insulted Christianity once in this forum and your Western immoral hypocritical lascivious lewd homosexual pornography loving drunkard types have IN DUBAI forums!

I think it is obvious that adolfbangladeshi's hatred of Westerners is abnormal, unjust and distasteful. He needs serious help to get rid of the hate, because it looks to me like it is consuming his life and that won't lead to good things - for him, or for any Westerners who might cross his path.

Obvious to you and your lickspittles.
Read above and counter them. muslimbangladeshi

busa wrote:
I think that this prat is not what he says he is,no one could be stupid enuff to spout such hatred,everything the prat posts is just to get a rise out of everyone,i think that he/it is a computer program as all his reply's to everything are basicly the same and no rational Humanbeing would do that,there is never any variation in his posts it just mixes the words around.

Rubbish. Saying nobody could do this doesn't remove the allegations levelled against the Westerners which are seen to be factually provable.

If it is human i would liken him to some mentaly abnormal outcast who is neither well travelled or well educated his attacks on the Dutch i find very amusing,he see's Mr & Mrs cloggy and there 2 blond kids as a familly who goes out on a Friday night to watch a live porn show,why ? well thats all they have in Holland aint it ?i can only assume that he has been there,as for the Brits and yanks killing a million Iraq's i can again only assume that he has visited Iraq and seen this,but in the Iraq i have just spent a year in i saw lots of Iraq's blowing up other Iraq's,as for the freedom of religeon in the UK well the UK that i come from would have a Church,Mosque,Temple,and all the other places of worship on the same street and maybe the call to prayer isnt sounded by loud speaker but at least you know its there and you are free to go there whenever you please,is this true of Bangladesh ? i knows it aint true in the KSA.

Haha
hypocrisy exposed.
No Adhan as you said, in the UK! Enough said mate.

All my posts are based on the fact that i have seen things with my own 2 eyes,they are not based on propaganda,news papers or what me mate thinks he saw.
Get out of your cave MB and sample the world,sample different cultures.

Get out of your cave busa and learn to use logic rather than repeat the same old illogical tripe coming from the immoral homosexual lewd lascivious incestuous paedophile Western world.
If you can counter them logically do so, otherwise your advice is not welcome.

I still think that you are a cheeky chappie and i am glad that i make you laugh it shows that i am making in roads and building bridges.
Anyways gotta go as i bumped into 3 lesbians a weed smoking donkey and a dwarf dressed as a gladiator last night and they all want to have my child.

I told you what westerners are like. muslimbangladeshi

RobbyG wrote:
Totally true K.
I wonder if Bangladesh experiences floodings again...so quiet...
A well, a small break won't hurt a man/woman. Regain some vocubolaric strength before sending those ICBM's phrases up his tar-palace again.
Maybe the CIA did lift him from his bed this morning after all that anti-Western talk of his. I surely wouldn't be surprised if that happened.
I would feel a tad saver if they checked us out by now. You never know what this MB guy is up to...

Your idiocy amidst true and logically consistent statements reflect the intellectual capacities of fornicating incestuous paedophile homosexual lewd lascivious dutch.
I thought Netherlands is the only country under sea level, isn't it? muslimbangladeshi

TheChoosen wrote:
- Dubai Knight wrote:
  - kanelli wrote:
    Tell me about it. I hope adolfbangladeshi won't be back with more of the same old same old. Get your scroll button ready Chocs :)
  Its been a while since Mumblingbangabumboy has posted? Its quiet out there...
  Too damn quiet!
  :shock: :shock: :shock:
  Knight
Just read it in CNN: They have a problem with the internet connection in Guantanamo bay, so Saddambangladshi is dammed to be quiet :shock: :shock:

Typical of Westerners to use lies, deception, hypocrisy, double talk and all sorts of evasive techniques to divert attention from their criminalities.
What more can we expect from lewd, lascivious, paedophile, promiscuous, incestuous, beastiality loving, drunkard, drug abusing, homosexual, immoral, deceptive, hypocritical westerners? Chocoholic Hahahahaha same old cut and paste rubbish! Moving on! gLoBalTeCh

muslimbangladeshi wrote:
Why are the Arab and Emirati forum members like Humbleman, uaekid, mesheditor, and other muslims in this forum (and elsewhere too) not in favour of directing their hatred towards USA and its kindred?
Why do you only hate the Zionists who are but a tiny dot - insignificant in every way imaginable - that can't survive without USA?
Moreover zionist atrocities over its last 60 year history pales in comparison to USA and Western atrocities in their history. Even in last decades and continuing, USA and UK etc has invaded and killed millions of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc
Why are you so pro USA/UK/West only hate the Zionists?

All 5 fingers are not same !! you cant say all people from american/uk are same. how about your country people ? are all of them same and peace lovers ? Dubai Knight I love the way 'Westerners' have now transmuted into: 'lewd, lascivious, paedophile, promiscuous, incestuous, beastiality loving, drunkard, drug abusing, homosexual, immoral, deceptive, hypocritical westerners' I think I might add that to my profile! :lol: :lol: :lol: Knight TheChoosen DONE LOL muslimbangladeshi

gLoBalTeCh wrote:
- muslimbangladeshi wrote:
  Why are the Arab and Emirati forum members like Humbleman, uaekid, mesheditor, and other muslims in this forum (and elsewhere too) not in favour of directing their hatred towards USA and its kindred?
  Why do you only hate the Zionists who are but a tiny dot - insignificant in every way imaginable - that can't survive without USA?
  Moreover zionist atrocities over its last 60 year history pales in comparison to USA and Western atrocities in their history. Even in last decades and continuing, USA and UK etc has invaded and killed millions of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc
  Why are you so pro USA/UK/West only hate the Zionists?
All 5 fingers are not same !! you cant say all people from american/uk are same. how about your country people ? are all of them same and peace lovers ?

No.
Bangladeshis are far from perfect, there are many ills in Bangladeshi society.
However I rarely see Bangladeshis preaching our Bangladeshi way of life superior to all others and trying to IMPOSE this on others, by using warfare, violence, murder, treachery, deception, lies, propaganda, hypocrisy, and other heinous methods.
So far, to the best of my knowledge, Bangladeshi criminals haven't got hold of nuclear and other Weapons of "mass destruction", haven't killed millions of innocent civilians in other countries, haven't insulted other religions and asked for killing and invading more and more countries.
The list is endless but I am yet to see Bangladeshi criminals indulging in such large scale global hypocrisy that Westerners have been involved in for last 3 centuries. Chocoholic Really? Then what are you trying to do here then! Hypocrit! muslimbangladeshi Typical of alcoholic drunk immoral lewd Westerners. They can't even read before replying. Inebriated state of theirs doesn't allow them to use logic (if they were willing to use it earlier); it's their homosexual paedophile incestuous lascivious fornicating customs that lead to such immoral cess-pits. gafoorgk i can't find my dictionary. oh yeah! i'll go for online one. muslimbangladeshi No need for that bro, just take note of chocoholic, dubai knight and other britons' actions. Francesco You need PEACE and LOVE no HATE. :roll: muslimbangladeshi One wishes the world were so idyllic as you imagine in your little head. Unfortunately the anglo Western hypocrites think violence, terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, homosexuality, pornography, alcoholism, lascivious, lewdness, incest, paedophilia should be part and parcel of global lifestyles. Francesco I am curious... I would like to relocate in Dubai but... do you hate italian people? Can westerns and easterns live together in peace? mesheditor I don't want to hate westerners, I got a lot of friends from the west and to be more specific Americans . oh I normally don't hate anyone. Can someone defines hatred ? I think hatred is the absence of love :) Francesco

mesheditor wrote:
I don't want to hate westerners, I got a lot of friends from the west and to be more specific Americans . oh I normally don't hate anyone.
Can someone defines hatred ? I think hatred is the absence of love :)

Good answer, I like it.
I mean hate for different religion (I'm Catholic) and lifestyle (let's make it clear: I'm not gay, paedophil, perv, I don't use drugs and so forth :wink: ). Dubai Knight

Francesco wrote:
- mesheditor wrote:
  I don't want to hate westerners, I got a lot of friends from the west and to be more specific Americans . oh I normally don't hate anyone.
  Can someone defines hatred ? I think hatred is the absence of love :)
Good answer, I like it.
I mean hate for different religion (I'm Catholic) and lifestyle (let's make it clear: I'm not gay, paedophil, perv, I don't use drugs and so forth :wink: ).

But we bet you like a drink?
or have a girlfriend and may not be married...
Join the "lewd, lascivious, paedophile, promiscuous, incestuous, beastiality loving, drunkard, drug abusing, homosexual, immoral, deceptive, hypocritical westerner" club!
Its free.
All you need to be a member is not to be born in Bangladesh!
You will be on MB's hate list.
He hates everyone.
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Knight Francesco

Dubai Knight wrote:
- Francesco wrote:
  - mesheditor wrote:
    I don't want to hate westerners, I got a lot of friends from the west and to be more specific Americans . oh I normally don't hate anyone.
    Can someone defines hatred ? I think hatred is the absence of love :)
  Good answer, I like it.
  I mean hate for different religion (I'm Catholic) and lifestyle (let's make it clear: I'm not gay, paedophil, perv, I don't use drugs and so forth :wink: ).
But we bet you like a drink?
or have a girlfriend and may not be married...
Join the "lewd, lascivious, paedophile, promiscuous, incestuous, beastiality loving, drunkard, drug abusing, homosexual, immoral, deceptive, hypocritical westerner" club!
Its free.
All you need to be a member is not to be born in Bangladesh!
You will be on MB's hate list.
He hates everyone.
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Knight

Damn, you are right: I love beers and I have a girlfriend who isn't my wife! :o Can I come or someone could think I deserve jail? :shock: Dubai Knight

Francesco wrote:
- Dubai Knight wrote:
  - Francesco wrote:
    - mesheditor wrote:
      I don't want to hate westerners, I got a lot of friends from the west and to be more specific Americans . oh I normally don't hate anyone.
      Can someone defines hatred ? I think hatred is the absence of love :)
    Good answer, I like it.
    I mean hate for different religion (I'm Catholic) and lifestyle (let's make it clear: I'm not gay, paedophil, perv, I don't use drugs and so forth :wink: ).
  But we bet you like a drink?
  or have a girlfriend and may not be married...
  Join the "lewd, lascivious, paedophile, promiscuous, incestuous, beastiality loving, drunkard, drug abusing, homosexual, immoral, deceptive, hypocritical westerner" club!
  Its free.
  All you need to be a member is not to be born in Bangladesh!
  You will be on MB's hate list.
  He hates everyone.
  :shock: :shock: :shock:
  Knight
Damn, you are right: I love beers and I have a girlfriend who isn't my wife! :o Can I come or someone could think I deserve jail? :shock:

Come on in, the water's lovely!
Bring bottle and bird!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Knight TheChoosen Amici, it seems you will be the next target of Adolfbanglaboy....LOL muslimbangladeshi

Dubai Knight wrote:
- Francesco wrote:
  - mesheditor wrote:
    I don't want to hate westerners, I got a lot of friends from the west and to be more specific Americans . oh I normally don't hate anyone.
    Can someone defines hatred ? I think hatred is the absence of love :)
  Good answer, I like it.
  I mean hate for different religion (I'm Catholic) and lifestyle (let's make it clear: I'm not gay, paedophil, perv, I don't use drugs and so forth :wink: ).
But we bet you like a drink?
or have a girlfriend and may not be married...
Join the "lewd, lascivious, paedophile, promiscuous, incestuous, beastiality loving, drunkard, drug abusing, homosexual, immoral, deceptive, hypocritical westerner" club!
Its free.
All you need to be a member is not to be born in Bangladesh!
You will be on MB's hate list.
He hates everyone.
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Knight

Everyone?
western ignorance and myopia on display again.
It's an exclusively Western custom that may have been imitated by some nonwesterner due to constant propaganda, treachery, hypocrisy, lewd, lascivious, promiscuous, incestuous, bestiality, paedophilia and immoral actions by the Western morons. Francesco

muslimbangladeshi wrote:
- Dubai Knight wrote:
  - Francesco wrote:
    - mesheditor wrote:
      I don't want to hate westerners, I got a lot of friends from the west and to be more specific Americans . oh I normally don't hate anyone.
      Can someone defines hatred ? I think hatred is the absence of love :)
    Good answer, I like it.
    I mean hate for different religion (I'm Catholic) and lifestyle (let's make it clear: I'm not gay, paedophil, perv, I don't use drugs and so forth :wink: ).
  But we bet you like a drink?
  or have a girlfriend and may not be married...
  Join the "lewd, lascivious, paedophile, promiscuous, incestuous, beastiality loving, drunkard, drug abusing, homosexual, immoral, deceptive, hypocritical westerner" club!
  Its free.
  All you need to be a member is not to be born in Bangladesh!
  You will be on MB's hate list.
  He hates everyone.
  :shock: :shock: :shock:
  Knight
Everyone?
western ignorance and myopia on display again.
It's an exclusively Western custom that may have been imitated by some nonwesterner due to constant propaganda, treachery, hypocrisy, lewd, lascivious, promiscuous, incestuous, bestiality, paedophilia and immoral actions by the Western morons.

Muslim, are you saying you won't hate me if I'm not a drugged, pedophile, incestuous, ...? :P I'm just a Catholic italian worker. :P Bora Bora MB, what happened in your life to make you so hateful? You are so consumed with hatred and hatred doesn't fix or make anything better. I admit I don't know very much about Bangladesh but maybe its due to the fact that it is such an insignificant country. I am sure you don't represent Bangladesh culture, as you clearly represent hate. You are nothing more than a stain on humanity. You must have been one of those lost souls that were taken in, in more ways than, by Al Quida, who brainwashed you and filled you with bitterness and convinced you that when you carry out their dirty evil deeds that you are doing it in the name of Allah while they watch you go up in smoke. You need to read the Koran to understand what it is that Allah expects from you as a Muslim and you will find that hatred is not what is expected, but tolerance. We can only hope that when you strap on your vest that you trip the switch in the process before you can actually do some damage. mesheditor MB , I am sick and tired of all of this muslim brotherhood crap because it does not exist , you’re probably in Bangladish and really feeling for your fellow muslims around the world being killed etc , but hey I am in the UAE, a UAE citizen and I am treated like a jerk by my fellow “ Palastinian, Jordenians, Lebanese fags and iraqies scumbags“ absolutely no respect for us nor each others , so please man give people a break. These Lebanese, Palastinians, iraninas, iraqies jordenian hate us to death they are the trash of the earth , they are the most hypocrite people ever existed , simply they have no mercy toward one another, Lebanon recent war and Gaza conflict is a solid example of what I am saying. Man to be honest, I never thought of the west as what you’re saying or what Arab media is saying, although some would imply that behind any political conflict is a White Man but I don’t believe it. I believe on what I see and what I bear witness as I live along. I really think that you really have to change yourself/ your attitude towards everyone before trying to lecture people and tell them what to like and dislike, go back and consider everything that you do and say , re-think of how do you really spend your time, do you spend it worshipping ? or apparently bashing people and spreading lies and trying to deceive us. Go learn a new language or learn how to recite the quran or learn how to swim or play basketball, all of those are good and useful ways to spend your time in a much beneficial way and will eventually clean up your heart. I wanted to write this to you privately, but I though other haters might benefit from it as well. Dubai Knight OK. Enough already. As I stated in the Moderation thread, the personal abuse stops now. Thread locked. :( :( :( Knight