Why???? (A forwarded E-mail)

yshimy Why a Jew can grow his beard in order to practice his faith But when Muslim does the same, he is an extremist and terrorist! Why a nun can be covered from head to toe in order to devote herself to God But when Muslimah does the same she oppressed When a western women stays at home to look after her house and kids she is respected because of sacrificing herself and doing good for the household? But when a Muslim woman does so by her will, they say, "she needs to be liberated"! Any girl can go to university wearing what she wills and have her rights and freedom? But when Muslimah wears a Hijab they prevent her from entering her university! When a child dedicates himself to a subject he has potential. But when he dedicates himself to Islam he is hopeless! When a Christian or a Jew kills someone religion is not mentioned, but when Muslim is charged with a crime, it is Islam that goes to trial! When someone sacrfices himself to keep others alive, he is noble and all respect him. But when a Palestinian does that to save his son from being killed, his brother's arm being broken, his mother being raped, his home being destroyed, and his mosque being violated -- He gets the title of a terrorist! Why? Because he is a Muslim! When there is a trouble we accept any solution? If the solution lies in Islam, we refuse to take a look at it. When someone drives a perfect car in a bad way no one blames the car. But when any Muslim makes a mistake or treats people in a bad manner - people say "Islam is the reason"! Without looking to the tradition of Islam, people believe what the newspapers say. But question what the Quran says!

arniegang post someat new or original mate, this was posted about a month ago yawn yawn yshimy woops sorry didn't read it before...

yawn yawn

hope thats because it is 2 am here gLoBalTeCh nice post but who will care about it ? when a muslim suicide bomber kills few bad people, it is not good because some pure soul also may suffer. When america kills lots of innocents people, no one will object. why ? yshimy Because they are "SuperPower" Because they are " Protectors of "Democracy"" ... yes double quotes Because they are "World Cops" Because they are "Oil addicts" ... Because we are "not-united" Because we are "not strong".... "arms wise" Because we are "not media conciouse" Because we are "Anti-Israel" Sad but true gLoBalTeCh because we are working for them or serving them; one way or others. last but not least because we are not pure muslim, we are muslim just by name. we afraid of them but dont afraid of Allah. hetherjw Islam has a bad PR department. Seriously. Suicide bombers, no matter what their goals or their motivations, have the ability to make a whole religion look bad. When Tibetan monks burned themselves to protest Chinese occupation they became icons of the liberation movement. When Palestinians blow themselves up in Israel (also to protest occupation) they draw the ire of the Western Media. The US is certainly not blameless for the lack of respect Islam gets as a major world religion... it is much easier to keep the 'war on terror' going if all the media shows of the entire Islamic world is the terrorism. Hopefully our societies can become more interdependent and grow a sense of understanding rather that the opposition that exists now. sniper420

gLoBalTeCh wrote:
nice post but who will care about it ?
when a muslim suicide bomber kills few bad people, it is not good because some pure soul also may suffer.
When america kills lots of innocents people, no one will object. why ?

what the hell are u talking abt? bad according to who? what about the protestors in iraq and afgan war? :roll: gLoBalTeCh

sniper420 wrote:
- gLoBalTeCh wrote:
  nice post but who will care about it ?
  when a muslim suicide bomber kills few bad people, it is not good because some pure soul also may suffer.
  When america kills lots of innocents people, no one will object. why ?
what the hell are u talking abt? bad according to who? what about the protestors in iraq and afgan war? :roll:

in Saudi it is declared as haram kanelli

yshimy wrote:
Why a Jew can grow his beard in order to practice his faith
But when Muslim does the same, he is an extremist and terrorist!

Not true. A beard and style of dress marks someone as belonging to a certain group. There is a problem of SOME people stereotyping all Muslims as extremists, because Muslim looking men have strapped bombs to themselves and killed innocent people. Jews do not strap bombs to themselves in the London underground or go into Palestinian areas and blow themselves up. So - it isn't a matter of just a beard.

yshimy wrote:
Why a nun can be covered from head to toe in order to devote herself to God
But when Muslimah does the same she oppressed

There are far fewer nuns than there are Muslim women who cover themselves head to toe. Some women think that all women who cover themselves head to toe are oppressed, including nuns.

yshimy wrote:
When a western women stays at home to look after her house and kids she is respected because of sacrificing herself and doing good for the household?
But when a Muslim woman does so by her will, they say, "she needs to be liberated"!

This is a stereotype. Many Western women stay home to raise their children. If I have children I will also stay home. My aunts, grandmother and other family members also stayed home until the kids were older.

yshimy wrote:
Any girl can go to university wearing what she wills and have her rights and freedom?
But when Muslimah wears a Hijab they prevent her from entering her university!

Where, in France? I haven't heard of any country blocking Muslimah wearing a Hijab from the university. Talk about taking a rare circumstance and generalising it.

yshimy wrote:
When a child dedicates himself to a subject he has potential.
But when he dedicates himself to Islam he is hopeless!

What on earth? Who came up with this drivel?

yshimy wrote:
When a Christian or a Jew kills someone religion is not mentioned, but when Muslim is charged with a crime, it is Islam that goes to trial!

And the Christians aren't viewed with disgust for the Crusades, and the Jews are viewed with disgust because of their attacks on Palestinians? Christians and Jews have definitely put their religion on trial with their actions. Many Muslims who kill say that they are doing it as Jihad and with the blessing of Allah - so they are the ones putting their religion on trial with their actions.

yshimy wrote:
When someone sacrfices himself to keep others alive, he is noble and all respect him.
But when a Palestinian does that to save his son from being killed, his brother's arm being broken, his mother being raped, his home being destroyed, and his mosque being violated -- He gets the title of a terrorist! Why? Because he is a Muslim!

So Palestinians are all innocent? They don't kill, rape and destroy property and violate Synagogues? Give me a break. They are both sticking it to each other.

yshimy wrote:
When there is a trouble we accept any solution? If the solution lies in Islam, we refuse to take a look at it.

I don't understand the point of this one.

yshimy wrote:
When someone drives a perfect car in a bad way no one blames the car.
But when any Muslim makes a mistake or treats people in a bad manner - people say "Islam is the reason"!

No they don't. If a few morons think that way, they are just morons! Why generalise to the whole population when it is false to do so?

yshimy wrote:
Without looking to the tradition of Islam, people believe what the newspapers say.
But question what the Quran says!

Sorry, but people SHOULD question the Quran, the Bible, the Torah, the newspapers, their parents, their governments... A person who doesn't question is easily mislead, doesn't know what he/she stands for etc.
I think that whoever wrote that e-mail has written falsehoods and stereotypes that just make Muslims want to feel sorry for themselves and feel oppressed by the West or non-Muslims. Reading that kind of crap is going to poison young Muslim minds.

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arniegang yshimy wrote: Any girl can go to university wearing what she wills and have her rights and freedom? But when Muslimah wears a Hijab they prevent her from entering her university! Where, in France? I haven't heard of any country blocking Muslimah wearing a Hijab from the university. Talk about taking a rare circumstance and generalising it. K There was a legal case in the UK last year regarding this. A young muslim girl was banned from wearing her Hijab to school because it was in breach of the schools "uniform policy". The decision was not politically or racist based. Anyways, the girls family took this issue to court and won a landmark case. In the UK as in most other "western" countries, we respect and allow and embrace religions and their associated cultures. This is what make me angry when certain "racist accusing" ( :wink: you know who i mean) people on here start bleating on about "us westerners" being "racists". They are so far of the mark, and in our culture we totally respect others no matter and irrespective of their race, colour, creed or religion Is is ironic that those who constantly bleet about our "racisim" eminate from countries and cultures, that do not allow the same respect to other cultures and religions within their own country and culture. fayz

kanelli wrote:
- yshimy wrote:
  Any girl can go to university wearing what she wills and have her rights and freedom?
  But when Muslimah wears a Hijab they prevent her from entering her university!
Where, in France? I haven't heard of any country blocking Muslimah wearing a Hijab from the university. Talk about taking a rare circumstance and generalising it.

Ummm all of France, read a newspaper once in awhile. :roll:
Here I took a link from the CBC for you, a little taste of home :)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/islam/hijab.html
Arnie i'm glad things aren't like this in other countries including the UK. kanelli Thanks Fayz, I do read the newspaper. :roll: Note that I already mentiond France... I don't focus all my attention on Muslim issues - there are other worthy pieces of news other than what people wear to school or don't wear to school. No comments on the rest of the forwarded e-mail, or do you agree with those points about Muslims and Islam Fayz? yshimy Kanelli,... :salute: for the effort you did in the reply. But.... still disagree with most of it. yshimy

kanelli wrote:
- yshimy wrote:
  Why a Jew can grow his beard in order to practice his faith
  But when Muslim does the same, he is an extremist and terrorist!
Not true. A beard and style of dress marks someone as belonging to a certain group. There is a problem of SOME people stereotyping all Muslims as extremists, because Muslim looking men have strapped bombs to themselves and killed innocent people. Jews do not strap bombs to themselves in the London underground or go into Palestinian areas and blow themselves up. So - it isn't a matter of just a beard.

So you agree that it is there "Some people"
And yes, Jews don't strap themselves in London underground, nor does the palistinians.
Jews got guns and they kill palistians with daily but this is not the point here.
I go to Brussles airport, got a beard on. i was questioned because on my German passport i have "Egypt" as address !!!!
The guy next to me a jew with the spirals beside his ears... noone questioned him.!!!!!!!

kanelli wrote:
- yshimy wrote:
  Why a nun can be covered from head to toe in order to devote herself to God
  But when Muslimah does the same she oppressed
There are far fewer nuns than there are Muslim women who cover themselves head to toe. Some women think that all women who cover themselves head to toe are oppressed, including nuns.

So you agree, but never seen someone making a fuss about "opressed nuns"

kanelli wrote:
- yshimy wrote:
  When a western women stays at home to look after her house and kids she is respected because of sacrificing herself and doing good for the household?
  But when a Muslim woman does so by her will, they say, "she needs to be liberated"!
This is a stereotype. Many Western women stay home to raise their children. If I have children I will also stay home. My aunts, grandmother and other family members also stayed home until the kids were older.

kanelli wrote:

You say it with a pride. because you belive it is "sacrifice" while it is the norm in our culture.
Our ladies, would be shy to say it, as some european/american will say they are oppressed
- kanelli wrote:
  - yshimy wrote:
    Any girl can go to university wearing what she wills and have her rights and freedom?
    But when Muslimah wears a Hijab they prevent her from entering her university!
  Where, in France? I haven't heard of any country blocking Muslimah wearing a Hijab from the university. Talk about taking a rare circumstance and generalising it.
about France.... It is by law that gurls are not allowed with head scarf in schools. also to mention, nor a Big Cross. "which is big difference, as for Christians, it is not a must to wear Cross, while for muslim gurl, it is a must to cover her hair.
- kanelli wrote:
  - yshimy wrote:
    When a child dedicates himself to a subject he has potential.
    But when he dedicates himself to Islam he is hopeless!
  What on earth? Who came up with this drivel?
Donno... :lol:
- kanelli wrote:
  - yshimy wrote:
    When a Christian or a Jew kills someone religion is not mentioned, but when Muslim is charged with a crime, it is Islam that goes to trial!
  And the Christians aren't viewed with disgust for the Crusades, and the Jews are viewed with disgust because of their attacks on Palestinians? Christians and Jews have definitely put their religion on trial with their actions. Many Muslims who kill say that they are doing it as Jihad and with the blessing of Allah - so they are the ones putting their religion on trial with their actions.
Not all the people commiting crimes are doing it beliving it is Jihad, like killing someone in a bar fight. if the guy is a muslim, "even in a bar, so not religious" they mention he is muslim.
- kanelli wrote:
  - yshimy wrote:
    When someone sacrfices himself to keep others alive, he is noble and all respect him.
    But when a Palestinian does that to save his son from being killed, his brother's arm being broken, his mother being raped, his home being destroyed, and his mosque being violated -- He gets the title of a terrorist! Why? Because he is a Muslim!
  So Palestinians are all innocent? They don't kill, rape and destroy property and violate Synagogues? Give me a break. They are both sticking it to each other.
never heard of palistinian raped an israeli woman, never heard of palistinian destroy a synygog. note: check history about what muslims did when they opened Jerusalim long time ago. this is a lead example.
BTW, Palestinians are fighting to get back their land >>> Noble Cause
Israel is an Occupation power >>>>> ... Do i need it is a "BAD" Cause?
- kanelli wrote:
  - yshimy wrote:
    When there is a trouble we accept any solution? If the solution lies in Islam, we refuse to take a look at it.
  I don't understand the point of this one.
  - yshimy wrote:
    When someone drives a perfect car in a bad way no one blames the car.
    But when any Muslim makes a mistake or treats people in a bad manner - people say "Islam is the reason"!
  No they don't. If a few morons think that way, they are just morons! Why generalise to the whole population when it is false to do so?
Great, but most people generalize when talking about islam or Arabs. it is everywhere, media, books, mentalities. I got "go to school by camel" and live in a tent comments , 4 wives, i know how to make bombs, i got a rifle at home, i want to blew myself up, etc....when someone knows i'm from Egypt, and the problem is .... THEY ARE SERIOUS
- kanelli wrote:
  - yshimy wrote:
    Without looking to the tradition of Islam, people believe what the newspapers say.
    But question what the Quran says!
  Sorry, but people SHOULD question the Quran, the Bible, the Torah, the newspapers, their parents, their governments... A person who doesn't question is easily mislead, doesn't know what he/she stands for etc.
Will, to be able to question, you should have a certain knowledge and this is what muslim scholars do. and doing it for the sake of understanding not doubting....
Question the Quran... well, did you Question your car manual?? or you just tried to understood it when you faced a problem (Hypothatically speaking)....
We belive in Quran and that it is from Al Mighty God. so... We don't Questoin, but we try to understand, or question for the sake of knowledge not doubt.
- kanelli wrote:
  
  I think that whoever wrote that e-mail has written falsehoods and stereotypes that just make Muslims want to feel sorry for themselves and feel oppressed by the West or non-Muslims. Reading that kind of crap is going to poison young Muslim minds.
We don't feel sorry about ourself, we use it as a sarcism and feeling sorry for the poor people who think this way.
We might feel bitter at some points because people get hurt because of this streotyping... "an Egyptian man was killed in the states a day after 9/11 because he got arabian look, ..... He was Christian :( ) kanelli yshimy, you still justify the stereotypes and a few examples of racist or biased behaviours. You got questioned at the airport because radical Muslims are the ones who used airplanes to crash into US targets, and don't forget the shoebomber. Why would they need to stop the Jewish guy? When I flew to Dubai on British airways, all the young Arab looking men were in the hallway turning on all their computers and electronic gadgets, and there were security people pouring over their documents. I felt really bad for them. Some terrorists have made life more difficult for innocent Arabs/Muslims. To take such an incident and then say that non-Muslims are terrible and treating Muslims badly is not fair. If Jews started to set bombs off on airplanes etc. then they would be stopped in airports too. Why do I have to explain this to you - it is obvious isn't it? Muslim women make a fuss about what non-Muslim women wear. Apparently we are all sluts and immodest. So the cultural misunderstanding goes both ways. I could make a similar e-mail with comments about Christianity, or being a woman, or being white, or being Western... everyone can make a list of stereotypes and woe-is-me tales. If you take inspiration or allow emotions to be stirred from such a flawed e-mail, then you are buying into the propaganda my friend. AFG Oh Kanelli...sense....but then if everybody could be got on one platform on these issues....why would the world be in such a sorry state.... do you think yshimy is going to suddenly turn around and say....oh yah..you are right ...any 'group' whether women vs men, white vs black, east vs west, Dubai vs Sharjah :? can come up with text like this and incite more differences...let's all be united... :roll: you'll notice there are other such posts that simply went unreplied to after a point.. arniegang This is a message board AFG, Kanelli and everyone else here are welcomed to post their opinion, whether you or anyone else disagree's is of no consequence. End of....... cadmus Imagine there's no heaven, It's easy if you try, No hell below us, Above us only sky, Imagine all the people living for today... Imagine there's no countries, It isnt hard to do, Nothing to kill or die for, No religion too, Imagine all the people living life in peace... Imagine no possesions, I wonder if you can, No need for greed or hunger, A brotherhood of man, Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You may say Im a dreamer, but Im not the only one, I hope some day you'll join us, And the world will live as one. Nice song is'nt it!

AFG Yes...arnie and I was posting my 2 cents!!! arniegang With respect AFG, you were posting advice and making a suggestion, not an opinion. AFG Read....... :? First para: Observation Second para: Question Third para: Observation So your opinion is not right ..............ME NO GIVE ADVISE. Stop ragging us new comers :P AFG Why don't you moderate HP's messages instead. arniegang ...let's all be united... gramatically is a suggestion/proposal in order to make, reinforce or support an opinion/idea AFG Hmm...so my lack of punctuations probably misled you to think it was a calling to be together!!!! :lol:
Let me quote again...with the reqd punctuations
- do you think yshimy is going to suddenly turn around and say....
  "oh yah..you are right ...any 'group' whether women vs men, white vs black, east vs west, Dubai vs Sharjah can come up with text like this and incite more differences...let's all be united... "
AFG Thou shalt give benefit of doubt.....now this is advise!!! :pottytrain4: kanelli AFG, thanks for the advice. I would still rather point out the flaws and danger of such forwarded e-mail messages in the hopes that one day maybe yshimy or others will be more critical about the anti-non-Muslim propaganda they are presented with from many sources. There is no harm in trying! AFG I was impressed with the way you took time and answered each point...and yes even if yshimy doesn't see where you are coming from....it will surely help some person from get brainwashed with a one-sided view to consider things more holisticaly(!) I notice you always take pains and time to answer queries/give your 2 cents...are you a senior level manager :) sniper420
- AFG wrote:
  Why don't you moderate HP's messages instead.
cos 1,he is biased....2, doesnt understand HP's crap 3, he suks as a mod Chocoholic Sniper, you just suck as a person! Intimacy
- arniegang wrote:
  post someat new or original mate, this was posted about a month ago
  yawn yawn
Grow up. Intimacy
- yshimy wrote:
  Because they are "SuperPower"
  Because they are " Protectors of "Democracy"" ... yes double quotes
  Because they are "World Cops"
  Because they are "Oil addicts" ...
  Because we are "not-united"
  Because we are "not strong".... "arms wise"
  Because we are "not media conciouse"
  Because we are "Anti-Israel"
  Sad but true
Add to that that they have the most beautiful woman working for them " Condalisa Rise" :lol: :lol: and she is the most liberal woman Intimacy Kindly Kanali, dont take my comments personally :)
- Jews do not strap bombs to themselves in the London underground or go into Palestinian areas and blow themselves up. So - it isn't a matter of just a beard.
are you sure about this?
- This is a stereotype. Many Western women stay home to raise their children. If I have children I will also stay home. My aunts, grandmother and other family members also stayed home until the kids were older.
What this has to do with stereotyping Kanali?! what he said just goes along with what you said here, the only difference that people appreicate what you have done, but when it comes to a muslim houese wife its a different story.
- yshimy wrote:
  Any girl can go to university wearing what she wills and have her rights and freedom?
  But when Muslimah wears a Hijab they prevent her from entering her university!
Where, in France? I haven't heard of any country blocking Muslimah wearing a Hijab from the university. Talk about taking a rare circumstance and generalising it.
You are right about this :)
- Many Muslims who kill say that they are doing it as Jihad and with the blessing of Allah - so they are the ones putting their religion on trial with their actions.
Thats what the Media Says, If i say that you Kanali have gone to Moon, and you couldnt go on the Media to say that never happened. then my lie will become a fact.
- [color=red]So Palestinians are all innocent?[/color] [color=red] They don't kill, rape [/color]
  and destroy property and violate Synagogues? Give me a break. They are both sticking it to each other.
do you really think so? then what about when it comes to some aliens who would invade your home land, kill your people and destroy your home, kick you out homeless, kill your father, rape your sister and mother and make you watch that. then take the rest as prisoners for defending them selves.. and these aliens will go and cry on TVs because they were OPPRESSED by the whole world. would u keep standing Still kanali???!!
- yshimy wrote:
  When someone drives a perfect car in a bad way no one blames the car.
  But when any Muslim makes a mistake or treats people in a bad manner - people say "Islam is the reason"!
No they don't. If a few morons think that way, they are just morons! Why generalise to the whole population when it is false to do so?
- yshimy wrote:
  Without looking to the tradition of Islam, people believe what the newspapers say.
  But question what the Quran says!
Sorry, but people SHOULD question the Quran, the Bible, the Torah, the newspapers, their parents, their governments... A person who doesn't question is easily mislead, doesn't know what he/she stands for etc.
Hmmm, allow me please to say that:
We as muslims dont questions the one who created the universe, or what he sent. maybe you dont know the Koran and i dont blame you for that.
When the boss at work says something to us, he expect us to obay, but when God say something (the one who created me and the whole universe) do you want me to be doubtful about it?
Bible and Torah which are there now are not the real once which have been sent to Jesus and Moses, the Source is the Same for all the books (God) so how come there are differences!?
In science, there is something called you have to doube the fact ONLY for one reason, if you are really looking forsomething behind that fact which is the other way for proving a fact or a rule ( thats also there in math). which is also vaild in islam.
- I think that whoever wrote that e-mail has written falsehoods and stereotypes that just make Muslims want to feel sorry for themselves
Maybe you didnt believe it or didnt like you and you are calling it "stereotyping" but its a fact. but at the same time Muslims dont feel sorry for them selves the feel proud... really proud
- and feel oppressed by the West or non-Muslims.
if you really know how muslims do feel about non-muslims you will be stunned:
Chapter 3, verses: (this is just what i could remember)
[113] Not all of them are alike: of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (for the right); they rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration.
[114] They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: they are in the ranks of the righteous.
[115] Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right.
[116] Those who reject Faith, neither their possessions nor their (numerous) progeny will avail them aught against Allah: they will be Companions of the Fire, dwelling therein (forever) . Chocoholic Intimacy, You are so blind sometimes and stop saying everything in the media is a lie. Oh so those kidnappers who threaten the lives of hostages and behead them then send the tapes to Al Jazeera or post them on the internet, who out of their own mouths, say they're comitting Jihad in the name of Islam and Allah - that's all a lie is it? Wake up! The suicide bombers who made videos and sent them before committing their crimes and my friend they are crimes against every single human being, again committing these acts in the name of Islam against the 'infidels' that's all crap as well suppose! Hello you can log onto any of the websites of these morons and see what they're doing, so please don't deny it, you just look like a fool! You should be condeming these people for bringing the name of Islam and good Muslims into disrepute. When people say they are doing something in the name of a religion or course they're putting it on trial, they give it a bad name committing such horrible acts. Do you ever see any Christians running around doing things and screaming, we do it in the name of God and Jesus etc - no you don't. Or any Budhists? Hindus? And no sorry the Palestinians are not all innocent either, it works both ways! Both sides are guilty of killing people, so that view point is not going to stick either. Intimacy I am responding to this for the sake of all the good people in here.
- Intimacy, You are so blind sometimes and stop saying everything in the media is a lie.
Have I said "Everthing" ?!!!
You are working for the Media, whether you know it or not but you are defending your self.
An Advice: Jump out of the box, and look around. i think you will know then that you are the one who is blind dear.
- Oh so those kidnappers who threaten the lives of hostages and behead them then send the tapes to Al Jazeera or post them on the internet, who out of their own mouths, say they're comitting Jihad in the name of Islam and Allah - that's all a lie is it? Wake up!
Since you are working in the media Choco, tell me something plz: how hard it is it dress up a mask and go on TV and say what ever people is starving for and claim what ever i want?? I am from this party doing this thing for the following purpose. its so easy dear. So i think you need to wake up, not me
- again committing these acts in the name of Islam against the 'infidels' that's all crap as well suppose! Hello you can log onto any of the websites of these morons and see what they're doing, so please don't deny it,
Did i deny it??
I just dont know who are those guys for real and for whom r they working for? So Hello, Why the US gov didnt stop their websites till now?!!!!!!!!! Hellooooo. I dont think its hard to stop their bloody sites.. its a click of a button.
- you just look like a fool! .
Hey, WATCH YOUR MOUTH.
When people say they are doing something in the name of a religion or course they're putting it on trial, they give it a bad name committing such horrible acts. Do you ever see any Christians running around doing things and screaming, we do it in the name of God and Jesus etc - no you don't. Or any Budhists? Hindus?
I am going to quot here
- Yshimy wrote: When someone sacrfices himself to keep others alive, he is noble and all respect him.
  But when a Palestinian does that to save his son from being killed, his brother's arm being broken, his mother being raped, his home being destroyed, and his mosque being violated -- He gets the title of a terrorist! Why? Because he is a Muslim!
- And no sorry the Palestinians are not all innocent either, it works both ways! Both sides are guilty of killing people, so that view point is not going to stick either.
AGAIN:
what would you do when it comes to some aliens who would invade your home land, kill your people and destroy your home, kick you out homeless, kill your father, rape your sister and mother and make you watch that. then take the rest as prisoners for defending them selves.. and these aliens will go and cry on TVs because they were OPPRESSED by the whole world. would u keep standing Still Chocoholic Intimacy, I'm not going into the whole Palestinian/Israeli thing, they both have a right to be there, it's home land for both, the issue is they should live together in peace, at the moment it's a never ending issue and I wish you'd stop using it all the time. There is no right from either side right now. Of course the media can be biased and edited, but there's no way in a million years that all this stuff is made up just to make certain people look bad. No I won't mind my mouth, who are you to tell me, you do look a fool sometimes. Intimacy
- Chocoholic wrote:
  
  No I won't mind my mouth, who are you to tell me, you do look a fool sometimes.
You treated me according to whom you are, and i will do what i do all the time, i will treat you according to who I am
At the place i came from when a man receives an insult from a woman, he just turns his back and move away. As a woman, i cant teach you how to respect others and how to respect your self first of all Liban
- Chocoholic wrote:
  
  No I won't mind my mouth, who are you to tell me, you do look a fool sometimes.
ENOUGH!
No more flames!!! sniper420 What ! Rude to Kanelli!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A canadian!!!!!!!!! :x *Sniper420 give stiff look at Intimacy* ok now stick to point Chocoholic Intimacy, you make good valid points most of the time, but what I don't understand is why you find it so hard to belive so things and keep banging on with the same arguments without looking at the possibility that there might be other truths. That was all. Liban, I suggest you look at others who're flaming without jumping down my throat first thing, Intimacy was prtty rude to Kanelli in the first instance. Liban Your's was the last flame I saw and hence it was the one I included in my quote. The order to stop flaming doesn't simply apply to you but to everybody. Checking some old posts I see that during my absence the flames and insults between people have continued without respite. I am now back to clean house. EVERYBODY BEHAVE! Chocoholic Well thank you, I think, but yes I agree with you. sniper420
- Chocoholic wrote:
  Well thank you, I think, but yes I agree with you.
BEEEEEEEEHAVE! Chocoholic What Sniper, what now what did I do apart from say thanks, geez damned if you do, damned if you don't. yshimy
- Chocoholic wrote:
  What Sniper, what now what did I do apart from say thanks, geez damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Gurl, Didn't you reach what Sniper said...!!!!!
BEHAVEEEEEEEEE yshimy
- kanelli wrote:
  yshimy, you still justify the stereotypes and a few examples of racist or biased behaviours. You got questioned at the airport because radical Muslims are the ones who used airplanes to crash into US targets, and don't forget the shoebomber. Why would they need to stop the Jewish guy?
Kanelli,
Just for info.... Ma German Passport doesn't have "religion" stated, My name doesn't have "obvious" Muslim name.
Choco,
Not wanting to get into the Palestines/Israel (Zionists) thing ... Why?
On which bases you suggest "Both have the right to be in the land???????????????????"
Hope you didn't base it on "Belford oath"........!!!! are you english?
Can you share that?????
Intimacy,
Man, don't think they will get everything, they didn't live in a place were they are close to the events to know how much the media are fabricated or tailored to suite some group needs........
and Man, ease up.. i stopped being too serious in this forum. i started to care about my blood pressure.
Cheers Nucleus If people want to discuss Israeli-Palestinian issue with proper facts then read this #37654 kanelli yshimy, I have been stopped at the airport twice, and I am not Arab-looking, and don't have an Arab or Muslim name. I pointed out that the original e-mail has glaring flaws, generalisations and stereotypes. I feel really sorry for any of you who believe in that mail and let your emotions be stirred by such a blatant piece of propaganda. There is a small group of people here who claim that me and some others aren't open-minded to see the propaganda in our own media - but we do. Countless times we have spoken up about it. This small group of people takes Muslim anti-West propaganda and uses it as fact - then gives us grief when we point out that they are the ones being blinded by propaganda. So, what we have here is a losing battle - I'll just leave you gentlemen to your propaganda. yshimy Kanelli, To some extent i do agree with you in some points. The intention of this mail is to point out belifs that exist and happen, but we dont' say ALL the people do it or ALL the people suffer from it. Sometimes extremes of real cases are used to point out a point. cheers