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Whay some pple think that locals are lazy ppl???


naruto (For discussions) GOOD MORNING MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS well im local guy and from what i see and hear about locals considering them as lazy and ignorant ppl..i wana know why they think that about them? is it Jealousy.? or cuz they envy them for being rich (not all locals are rich INDIAN R RICH PPL TOO) well have a good day gentelmen cheers
mraph33 Most people's interactions with locals is limited to when you have to go to Etisalat, Post office or DEWA. Unfortunately, most public sector clerks in ALL countries are not known for their efficiency, wisdom or work-ethic. Liban I work with an Emirati. He is one of the kindest, most decent people I know. I is hard working, eager, and wants to learn more and more. You do have some Emaratis that give a perception of lazy and/or rude. But thats generally a cultural barrier people face. As an Arab, I have no problems with any locals. At the end of the day, they are my brothers. Concord I must say that on first impression many of the locals seem rude, unfreindly or arrogant but upon engaging them in conversation (through work or otherwise) my experiences have been pleasant so far. Regarding rude, unfreindly and arrogant: no different than NYC and New Yorkers are good people. constantine my experiance so far has been pretty positive...and i agree with the comments...most of them are really polite and helpful...now on the other hand...i havent been driving yet... :lol: :lol: naruto
heheeh funny GAB Seriously generalisations and stereotypes are just racist. People differ-some nice some not. There is jealousy in every community you live in-best thing is to be happy with your lot. I don't generally ask someone what nationality they are but the few nationals I have knowingly met have been extremely well spoken and obviously well educated. Jeevan i agree to that, there are a few people who are very well mannered and polite,nice company. on the other hand i have also seen a few people who are arrogant and like to remind u every now and then about them being local. but i wouldnt mind that, they mean no harm when they say that:). overall a nice experience till date. and like const said even i havent been driving yet have booked my car and am waiting to get it :lol: :lol: . cheers, Jerry A64Venice no comment..... Chocoholic As GAB says it's unfair to generalise. Plus you get good and bad people in every culture and country. The many nationals I've met so far have on the whole been very friendly and nice people. I've only ever come across a few who've been a bit offish but for the most part they're lovely people and many genuinely want to work hard and just get on with things. There are some who don't, but as I said you get that everywhere you go. So far very positive experiences - apart from on the roads.

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PARANOID not all off'em are the same im sure , cause like , my dad works with lots of locals (he also designed buildings for one of abu-dhabi's shieks )and like .. he say's he met a lot of very intellegent nationals and stuff . on the other hand .. for some reason i get so mad at thier children at school (again not all of'em , just the ones i came across) they think that they own the front bus seats just because they are locals and it's "thier country" as they put it ,in class (and i think that's because they dont have to pay money for education , so "so what if i fail a year or two ?") it seems locals have the lowest grades (in all three classes of the 10th grade and also through all my previous school years it was the same) but i mean ,it dosent make those groups the worst people on earth , there are still homophobes .. ive got a friend who's local and she sometimes surpasses me so ...you gotta choose who you wanna deal with . but then again , our school has a really bad reputation (i mean .. there's this girl who threw cockrouches at a teacher) , so maybe it's just a dumpster where the worst are put together and noone represents where they come from . OR , i probably got a prob myself lol. d3vilish_ang3l_88 well.im my opinion..im half local n i think that i somtimes give the look that im very bossy and arrogant and rude. but some ppl think that im a very kind and friendly person. well it mostly depends on my situation mayb??.. i dont knw wht u guys think of me.. i knw for ONE!!..that HP!!..thinks im the most arrogant and hardheaded person in the world...mayb its beacuse..i am TO HIM!! :P its 7 in the morning...if i have any spellin mistakes..please excuse me!!..i havent slept yet :P coolfocker yeah...locals do give a veryy bossy and arrogant look when they dont wanna do something ...like if u give them some work and they dont feel like doing...theyll stare at u...and that stare is like "u know who ure talking to ???" hahaha but one more thing ive noticed...if your polite to them and ask them to do somthin sweetly , theyll do it...no matter whatever u ask dem to do... saeedz28 [color=brown] do u know that we make 7% of the totall population!!!
not everybody dress in kandoorah or Dishdash is national believe me, that 's for ladies too...
russians, morrocans,iraqies are wearing abayas ... god know who eles will start wearing it ... [/color] MaaaD
Michael Jackson !!!! bushra21
yes, im sure -- at least with my experiences.
when you go to an all caucasion school, and have your life threatened every single day and are told that your a filthy sand nigger, ignorant arab, camel lover, and so on....it would cause you to believe that its because im an arab, thats why they are treating me this way.
when you go to report a crime of abuse to the police and they tell you -- in your face, well did you threaten them, calls you a filthy arab and says what you got is what you deserved....it would cause you to believe that its because your an arab, and that is wy they are treating you that way.
when you are driving your car across the bridge and some guy sees you, yells at you (go to hell you god damn terrorist) and tries to run you off the bridge....it would cause you to believe that its because your an arab.
when people threaten to bomb your house, when your neighbors have made it clear that they dont want in their words, your kind, living there...thats what you would suspect.
when all three cars are smashed to pieces outside of your house, when the same thing is said, your kind doesnt belong here,....thats what you would suspect.
these are just a few examples. so if i came a bit hard on the us, then im sorry, but when people say that dubai is such a horrible place to live...and yet those people are still living here, it just angers me so much. bushra21 i guess it depends on the individual and their experience. also kanelli i lived in america for quite some time, and i experienced racism every single day that i was there. i had to drop out of school because everyone, yes, everyone had a problem with me and made that fact known. ive had police call me a liar because i was just some muslim terrorist trying to cause trouble, ive been kicked out of places, ive had people try to run me off a bridge because i guess they didnt like me. and even when i stopped wearing the head scarf i still faced the same problems. youve seen me, im not that dark for them to have a problem with me, my accent isnt that horrible, i personally think my english is pretty well...much better than most americans. in any case, do you see my point...it depends on the individual when they say which place is more racist/tolerant. mema
Thanx bushra i thought i was living somewhere else....we might have some racism but not to extent those ppl r saying

i'v never heard of a white female in Dubai insulted becuz she is white..there is a perception of white foreigners females to be snobs i agree but do u blame us..im a local i had to work in sales for a while and the times I've been insulted by white foreign females is countless i had to leave the job..and as for American off course u wont feel racisms in US ur are white female as u said mistaken to be an American. a friend of mine just arrived two days ago from there she was thrown with a can of Pepsi just for wearing the head scarf she couldn't leave the hotel room after that incident and came back home.
last week i'v seen a white European lady insult the Asian guy on the cashier at Eppco calling him stupid and many others name just for asking her for some change...find ur own change i wont give mine its ur problem u don't have it..i called my friend at Eppco gave her the name of he employee she works in HR asked to give him a rise or thank you letter for being very polite and helpful..:) and she promised me she will. rvp_legend
Yes, it is everywhere...am not saying its not.
But the word you are looking for is Prejudice.
People have Prejudice towards the unknown entities in life. Which ultimately leads them to at times discriminate.
Racism is Prejudice, Discrimination and most importantly POWER.
bushra21
If racism is prejudice, as you said, it is safe to conclude that bleakus was not looking for the word prejudice, when he in fact meant what he said when using the word racist/ism?
also, dubai is not the most racist place. go to america, i almost lost my life many a times at the hands of a moron, as did my family members and almost everyone we knew that didnt fit the 'us, american, mold'. so do not even go and tell me little old dubai is the MOST racist place...your wrong Bleakus
its my favorite state too ;) mema com'n this was in the old good days when we could afford to be lazy, but now we do work hard....myself and a large group of my emarati friends study work and support our selves’...although some of us had daddy's money but chose to do it the hard way..and some couldn’t afford but to take it the hard way... as for emarati being rude & arrogant....I’ve heard this several times i guess the problem is we don't smile enough....i promise I will :P :P :P ……………………people here find it hard to open up to strangers especially from different nationalities…and foreigner don’t even try..u have to gain our trust first. rvp_legend
MaaaD, agreed.
Bushra, my apologies, but that is blatant racism, and in Europe the same comment could land you in serious trouble.
Its like me saying "I hate those illiterate Arabs" - even if i referred to the uneducated ones only, the simple fact i used "Arab" makes it a generalisation and applies to all regardless of intention.
just my 2c's Adam Im sure its nothing personal, i still wont spark up a conversation with a local women, more out of respect, and because i never really got over what i was warned about coming over here, and that was more on the line of, dont look directly at, dont talk and so on, or else you can get into alot of trouble, possible tossed out of the country, i personally would enjoy havin local women as friends, but i dont even know if its possible. As for the men, not all people are crazy, my bosses are all locals guys, some of the nicest guys i have met, they consider me family, and treat me like family, there is the odd arab guy who seems crazy, but its not what he is, most opinions are built on something heard or witnesses, as i said, im sure these actions are nothing personal to anyone. Bleakus
wow bingo Adam I just realised i completely strayed from the point there, haha, im not to good at these posts, All this hard headedness stuff and arrogance is all fair play, it may or may not be what you think it is, my advice is be understanding, for example, you are a manager, you have a local guy working for you, and your company is in the uae, the local guy might not like being told to do something, now, take the same arab guy, he is now your boss, your working for him, and your in your home country, your not gona like being told what to do by him either? i lost my point again, but it opens ur eyes a bit, you just got to remember, this is their country, and it is starting to be over run by expacts, if i was an arab here i wouldnt be to happy either, Im from New Zealand, and it is currently being over run by asian people (no offence to any one who might be one of them) when i was in new zealand, i hated asians, everywhere i went, they were there, it was like i was in asia, i honestly would not liked it at all if i got a job and one of them were my manager, i would refuse to do the work aswell, unless they showed me the same respect they would show their manager. i hope someone saw a point there. MaaaD the only point i see is that you are racist and see the world in black and white. Adam Then you got me wrong, My point is, that it can be completely expected, there is nothing racist about it, new zealand became a tourist spot, and in come the asians taking the jobs, just because i used that as an example doesnt mean i am racist, if thats racist, then you shouldnt fucking be on this post, the whole descussion is how people think locals or arabs are crazy... is that being racist, just fuck off, i have had it with you fucking hypocryts Bleakus
dude, chill......why get upset at MaaaD? there is no point, he is bond to get mad sometimes Adam haha, yea i know, im a little on edge today, i mixture of tiredness and having a bad day at work, it sorta just come out. kanelli Actually Bushra, you are wrong. I've been to the States many times and am from Canada - there is far more tolerance of difference races and religions in those two countries than there is here in Dubai. Just because you may have faced serious racism a few times doesn't mean it is more racist than here. Every day I walk outside I face racism here. People assuming I'm a snob or slut because I'm white. At any time I could be attacked because I am assumed to Christian, and when people hear me speak they can mistake me for an American. I've been treated badly because of it. Look around at the HR practices here, and the class system, and the way people talk about other groups of people here in Dubai - this place is chock full of racism. Bleakus
yeah same here, i shouted at one of the people under me at the office, i just went and apologized to him right now ;) Adam ouch, aahh, i hate those days, im just looking forward to the weekend, no, just for the next 2 1/2 hours to pass, then i can go relax, haha wat did the guy in ur office do? MaaaD Adam each has there own opinion of what is racist and what is not. You seem to be okay with your "prejudice" .. thats fine by me. Just an advice when you want to speak out your mind i advise you use an account that doesnt link you to where you work or whatever. Its better to keep your professional life away from your personal thoughts. Because i really hope that if some asians came to rent a property you wouldnt "hate it". just my 2 fils. Adam do i live in new zealand anymore? the answer is no, i used that as an example, i "used" to hate them, used is generally past tense, have you ever hated some1 before? or hated a type of people in general? im sure you have, the doesnt mean your racist, there must have been something that sparked that hate right? mine was the fact that the place was being over run with them, when you come to terms with that, the hate goes away. Hence, "used" to hate asians, i have several asian clients, good people, enough to change someones mind, if i was racist i wouldnt have given them a chance. And second, i dont deal with rents, im in the sales department. bushra21 i hate those god damn indians who dont know how to drive and almost kill me everytime i drive. i hate the god damn idiot who was driving in the left lane last night on szr and when i flashed him because i was going 200 decided to brake, the second time i flashed him he braked and put on his flashers. i hate the bloody morons who even gave those freaking idiots liscenses in the first place......... does that make me a racist? MaaaD
yes it is, and to lump sump 1 billion people like that is ignorant too. Adam but that is a fair call, she used only fact bushra21 did you read the rest of the sentence....i said the ones who dont know how to drive....not all of them. some of my best friends are indian, i dont hate them...just the ones who dont know how to drive. bushra21
while you are supporting me i have to say its not a fact, its merely my opinion. Adam He doesnt see it that way, in my post i was refering to the asians migrating to new zealand, in yours the indians who cant drive, it almost looks to me like he is the racist one, not against us, or indians or asians, but in some wierd way just in general, i mean, you have heard the saying takes one to know one right? i cant explain it, but it just seems like that Adam when i say fact, i mean the examples you gave were fact not opinion bushra21
he isnt racist. and to call someone that when they havent displayed any clear signs of racisim is a horrible thing to do. to be honest, your statement about asians when i read it did sound like you had a thing against all asians in general...therefor leading me to believe that you were, in fact, a racist...
its the just the way he understood what was written. that is why i clarified myself. because i have nothing against any particular group...just certain people from certain groups. bushra21
i fail to see how they are a fact. you cant just stereotype a certain ethnicity saying they are horrible drivers. i know a bunch of arabs who are worse drivers than the ones i mentioned earlier, doesnt mean that its a fact though ...because to them they can drive perfectly normal.....
so my friend, its an opinion, not a fact Adam i will admit, i did sound racist, thats y i am saying now, i USED to hate the asians that migrated to NEW ZEALAND, i have nothing against asians in general, ohh and one of the things i hated about the asians who migrated to new zealand, is that alot of them cant drive either, and thats fact, they are all young rich kids (fact) whos first car is from the likes of fast and the furious that moves fast (fact) and are not experienced enough for open road driving in new zealand (fact) they are mostly japaness (fact) and their previous experience is in driving in areas where there is far to much traffic to drive more than 60km/p/hr (fact) Bleakus
he was always coming to the office late and he doesnt do this job right for the past 2 weeks.......that ticks the crap at of me..........he has a final warning now Adam ohh right, i got ya now, im starting to think i am racist, that cant be good Bleakus
dude, deep inside everyone, everybody's is racist at one point. I know many people are going to disagree but its true, it could be a small portion in the person's personality but there is a race or culture that someone does not agree on Adam cheers mate, also i think its probably a good idea i stay out of this descussion post, im i have already started alot of stuff i hadnt planned on. MaaaD Adam and Bushra: the point i am trying to make is .. there might be bad drivers. But to link the fact that they are indian and have a tone of prejudice against the people is racist. Bad drivers can be from all races and walks of life. And yes they all annoy us. Adam: you might have had good intentions just didnt convery them right. After all this is just text on a screen. But i say think before you post :) and please keep posting. Bleakus
its all good dude, it was cool Bleakus
i kinda agree with bushra because ive been in the us for a little while and i saw some racism there, thats why i say it everywhere. I was even worse in the UK because im Bronze ;) .....but its all good mema lazy locals, bad indian drivers the list goes on and on........... rvp_legend
disagree, nurture applies.
thats too defeatist and doesnt address the reason for it- almost justifies it.
I can honestly say, i have seen more racism in the Emirates than i have in my home country or UK where i studied.
Most of it dished out towards the sub continent populations, yet in UK and Sweden they are so well respected for their achievements.
Of course it is not to say everyone is perfect, but i think the Emirates has some catching up to do in these areas. Bleakus
dude, racism is everywhere, i was attacked by racist comments all the time when i was in UK, i doesnt matter where you are. You will see it in places more then others ;) kanelli I agree, I think everyone has a touch of racism in them - some more than others obviously. jumanji
What part of america did you live in? nothing like that where i'm from...seems like maybe you lived in either the south or the midwest. bushra21 i lived all over, from the east coast to the west coast...the north and the south....experienced the same things basically, but on a different level. i have to say though, the one place that i enjoyed the most was california -- a much easier time for me over there Nick81 Here're my 2 cents regarding racism in the US for Arabs and in the UAE for Caucasians: 1- I spent 2 years in the US. Sure I was in California the whole time and didn't get the chance to visit any other state during my stay. But anyway I did NOT experience ANY racism whatsoever. Neither at the airport during the INS procedures nor at university or anywhere else. The only minor problems I had were ALL with African-Americans but it's a completely different thing so I won't get into details here. But even in that case it wasn't because I was Arab, it was just because I wasn't..um, well African-American :lol: Anyway I also have friends in Boston, New York, San Francisco and I've yet to hear any of em complain of racism... 2- K. you're absolutely right, there IS discrimination against expats. I mean even myself, when talking to a local or whatever Arab in Dubai, the very second i switch from English to Arabic to talk to them, their whole attitude change completely. I guess it's in "our" nature to be that way. I already told u guys about racism in Lebanon a while ago. Any Lebanese who marries an Asian, black (can't really specify an origin, just skin color in that case...) , Eastern European woman will not be able to live in Lebanon for the sake of his wife. Poor woman would hang herself after a week! Dunno what turned us into supremacists but it sure is sad... sara_uk I have never been to Dubai but most Arabic countries are full of discrimination against foreigners and what make it worse that there are no strict law to protect the rights. I have never been to US but I also hear that there a lot of racism there. Iam glad to say that I have never faced racism in the UK and that why I love London because it is multicultural city, I know people face discrimination even in the UK but there are law and regulation to protect us. I have lived in Saudi and it is very racist country, for example every year in school instead of checking their data base, the teacher will ask us ( foreigners) to stand up so they can count us, as a child it was very embarrassing thing to do, because kids will ask, you are not Saudi? This was just one example of many, like jobs, healthcare priority to Saudis and the law ask for this discrimination. Bear in mind that I was born and raised there but I was not Saudi (which makes a lot of difference). I think racism and discrimination every where in the world, human are human, they will have their own prejudice towards someone’s culture, colour or religion but if the government doing what they can to implants equality then no one can control human behaviour. The question is not which country is more raciest but which country has a better equality act ? That also effect the general public in a way, what is not good to discriminates against in a work place will be shameful thing to brag about. For example in Saudi the government was forcing companies to increase the % of Saudi and when you see any documentary about company they quote how much % of Saudi is working for them, you will never see that happening in Britain would you? The same goes for the US. rvp_legend
Sara_UK
Hats off to you. It is exactly the point i am making. At least in the US and UK where there is Racism, as every where else, people can follow up procedures.
To have a procedure is to admit that the problem may exist!
Do we have that here in the Emirates? no! Yet the locals always try to make it as if Two wrongs make a right! rvp_legend
Bushra,
when did i say Dubai is the MOST racist place? Far from it. It is far better to other ME countries - but only comparatively.
The appropriate word is Prejudice, as Racism is subject to power and discrimination. Not everyone has that power- usually an authority can be racist, its subjects prejudiced. its a definition issue.
America has a Racism problem - but guess what? THOUSANDS of lawyers can get you somewhere. How many Lawyers here challenge the Kingdom?
So are you also suggesting its OK to discriminate against an Indian because he/she doesnt fit an Arab Profile? Just like you didnt fit an American...
You are, as classic as can be, implying that Two Wrongs Make a RIGHT!
Since you have been the subject of so much discrimination and bad experience, then you should lay the benchmark and admit that the problems in the Emirates should not exist - rather than hide behind the problem. rvp_legend
Bronze?
Bleakus - with all due respect - in UK, if your white, black, Brown,Pink or green... you all have the same Human rights. You all get your paycheques on the same day if you all work in the same company, you all can complain AND TAKE ACTION should you be discriminated. My Friends from Asia have had an English Lecturer dismissed due to his attitude to certain things.
And OH, there are HARSH penalties for people who dont pay their staff for monthsin the UK.
I agreed with you about Racism being everywhere..... but i think you local guys need to take a step back and realise its a bad thing all the time. Not only when it happens to you. bushra21 sorry about that, i could have sworn you said that dubai was the most racist place, thats why i became so upset...my mistake i wasnt trying to justify, or dismiss the problem that we have in the uae -- just wanted to remind people that racism is everywhere. and you can take action here against racism. i used to work as in a law office, and the lawyers there were always busy dealing with cases on this issue. so, its not like you cant do anything about here....i guess the problem is that most people dont. i never said its ok to discriminate against anyone. ever. Bleakus
how do you know that a local guy is not paying the company employees their salaries? it could be the management(whatever they are) that are controlling this and causing an issue?
dude, i know racism is a bad thing, duh?! but i was answering to your answer, assuming dubai is so racist that you cant even live here. I am not stating that its ok to be racist
yeah the bronze thing, thats my color, im not black nor white, its a new race ;)
"but i think you local guys need to take a step back and realise its a bad thing all the time". I already did that a long time ago, thats your opinion dude, i just love it when people generalize a whole race like that ;) ;) kanelli I'm the one who said in some thread that Dubai is the most racist place I have lived in. It honestly is. Some of the stories I hear from you guys about the US are just bizarre. I have friends in Canada that I grew up with and they come from all over the world. We all look at each other as Canadian - not something else. Yes, some of our families had different holidays, and when we get invited to weddings and other celebrations they are a little different. We love the home-made food which is certainly different when you eat over at people's houses and they come from a different cultural background. None of my or my sister's Muslim friends have ever been treated badly by the police or called terrorists. Not like many of our friends every really need to deal with the police for any issues. Everyone likes to think that whites don't face racism, but look at the stereotypes that some of you still have. You think that whites are the only group on the planet that don't face racism when it clearly isn't the case. On top of all of this there are also issues of classism, s.e.x.i.s.m, ageism etc. so people could be biased against a person for more reasons than just their skin colour. Everyone likes to assume it is only skin colour though and claim racism every time. bushra21
nicely said.
im trying not to though. i slip up once in a while. but hey, thats human nature to mess up every now and again rvp_legend
Fact remains - wouldnt happen in the UK or US. Several cases of suicide due to staff not being paid for 8/9 months here in Dubai.

Once again, the defensive mode. I have repeatadly stated that it is comparatively better than the other ME countries. i just compared my experiences of the treatment of some groups in Dubai to those in Europe.
It seems it takes quite an effort for people to admit the dirty side in their own backyard....duh?

you are right, its my opinion. When i say local, i mean on this forum. The likes of Yourself, Bushra and Naruto who have been quick to show the defficiencies in other countries as a move to cover the problem in yours it would appear.
If there, in my opinion, is one group guilty of Generalising others in Dubai dear Friend its not us foreign workers. Ask many White, European or USA/Canadian females..who at times may have to put up with price tags thrown at them.
Anyway Ramadan Mubarak. Bleakus Anyway Ramadan Mubarak.
dude,
its true that there are some good things about dubai and locals and there are other things that are bad. The thing is with me that no matter how bad the situation is, i will defend dubai and local community. If there is something bad, then yes i will admit it. I still have the right to defend my kind dude, you know what i mean? if i dont then who will
your opinion is up to you
Ramadan Kareem ;) kanelli Bushra are you sure that those incidences of violence or threatened violence were indeed related to your skin colour or background, or just general violence that can happen in the US? My American friend was robbed at gunpoint once and by knifepoint once - and she's white. My British friend in Finland was recently attacked by Romany teenagers on the train. She is white too. If both of these ladies were purple, do you think that they should claim racism as the motivation for the attacks or do you think other factors are involved, like drug problems, poverty, and sub-cultures of people living outside of the general society? For the Emiratis on this forum, this thread has gone off focus. At least in my view, it it incorrect to imply that Dubai is very racist because the Emiratis are racist. The majority of the population of this country comes from somewhere else - so it is everyone's problem. In fact, after listening to some of the Western people in Emirates Hills area when I'm out and about, I can see some of them becoming more racist the longer they live in Dubai. I can't believe some of the comments I have heard about other groups of people. Everyone is forming an "us and them"- the Westerners, Asians, Arabs - everyone! I don't want to be a part of that. rvp_legend
Thats the beauty of having a process which records these. People do not have to feel alone! rvp_legend
Ok, accepted that there are no laws.
But there is definite profiling. Maybe a law needs to be introduced clearly banning profiling?
Please forward me links to sites which record racism in UAE, with some examples of cases won.
Thanks rvp_legend
Thats the answer i was looking for :-) bushra21
yes, yes i am...would you like me to list them for you? Because I will, I dont mind. rudeboy first of all dubai aint like london if you look at london theres loads of people from different parts of the world and they all living happily ever after :D wot i meant was in london you can be friends with whoever you like. a paki can be friends with a white person and so on. but i noticed in dubai pakis or indians tend to be friends. y is it that pakis/indians or brownies dont have white friends hmmm. another thing dubai is racist place. your salary is based on the colour of ur skin. and if u were at a government office like immigration you will be treated nicely if ur skin happen to be white whereas if u r brown they wont give a toss about u :D. i was at the immigration office that day and the immigration officer looked at my passport and said u r brown so how can u be BRITISH. funny thing was that guy made a joke with his colleague about this which i happened to understand i didnt reply back to him, just said am a british muslim and said w'salam and the guy said w'salam quietly lol i was in england for 18 years and i didnt come across a racism incident like i have here in dubai. have noticed how white people/ or arabs look at the brownines. ok now i m drifting away to another area. locals are nice people but like in every society in the world you will have SOME who are not nice you can say the same for PAKIS indians or british. Locals are considered to be lazy because most of the people who interact with them on the daily basis regard them as lazy. For example in the immigration office i noticed the most of the public there was made up of arabs pakistanis and indians and the immigration officers must be bored of seeing the same people again and again thats y they become lazy and tend to do their jobs slowly. and hence thats y locals have a bad reputation if you ask the brownies :D. whereas if u happen to be white the locals would see a new person :D and they will give u a higher priority and get ur job done faster and maybe thats y locals dont have a bad reputation amongst the western crowd. ok its bad and something should be done about this. whoever posted this post am assuming u r a local i dont have a problem with locals but next time u r at some government office do notice wot i have mentioned above and u will see where you are going wrong. and oh yeh we know its ur country but do u really have to push the que :P its not about the money people are not jealous about the money but its true that if u have money u will get treated differently here in dubai and certainly if ur skin colour is on the light side. by the way sorry for using the WORds white people. i aint a racist :D sage & onion
Interesting to read your post.
A few comments if you don't mind.
First of all the difference in Salary scales is not according to colour of skin, but rather to your Nationality. i.e. British/Canadian/USA Passport holder will generally be paid much higher than Indian/Pakistani Passport holder, this is because the rates are compared with your home country.
Locals pushing in front, just think nice thoughts, your not going to change it.
To state that you never came across racism in the UK is complete and utter nonsense.
I am as my signature says, red inside along with all of my friends, I personally do not look at the skin colour. rvp_legend
Funnily enough, still equates to racism - but i understand that you are only pointing it out and not neccesarily agreeing with it.

He only stated his experiences. and stated from his 18 years. You cannot dismiss that as nonsense - it is afterall his experiences. Thats not to say it doesnt exist in the UK, just not so obviously. rudeboy i was in southeast maybe thats y i never came across a racist person :p but i have heard its a different story up north mema rudeboy Im sorry u had to face these situations but u can't build ur entire views on locals from those u met in the immigration. i have many expat friends .and i mean real friends..more than family.. different nationalities and different colors..i'm very disturb and upset readin all the posts here i called my friends and asked their views of Dubai do they feel discriminated against they said no..they added some of the luxury they have here couldn't dream of it back home and they feel this is their home.. my expat friends were living in uk they r black moved to Dubai recently according to them "yes there is racisms in Uk" but this is not my concern im sure they went through some bad experience but this shouldn't be generalized there nor here. com'n Dubai is not that bad..we (local) r not that bad. :( rvp_legend
Once again, i find myself sticking up for rudeboy.
He was only speaking of his experiences, just like your friends told you theirs.

even though you prob have good intentions, its suggesting two wrongs make a right. and unfortunately some people exploit that....
my basic point is, as Kanelli mentioned earlier, that Dubai has a terrible almost class system.
In UK or Sweden if you are Asian, and went into a restaurant, and some Europeans followed later, and then some locals came in.
The Asian would be served first, then the Europeans, then the Locals.
In Dubai, with the same scenario, the LOCAL would get served first, the European second and the Asian last, even though they entered first.
its everyday issues like that which make Racism... my friend who is of Asian Origin, was adressed as a "Miskeen" at the Airport - even though he was born and bread in the UK!
He has to pay entry fee's when on his own or with other asians in bars, he pays nothing when with Europeans, gets served near to last while in restaurants. These are day to day issues and happens to many. Some people dnt make a big deal of it.... but that only allows it to continue.
The UK has problems. So does Sweden. But in Sweden and UK staff get fired easily if there are complaints of discrimination in all sectors. How often does that happen in Dubai, when a local is concerned? sara_uk Rvp legend I totally understand where you coming from, we never said there is no racism in the UK, because human are human and can be mean if they chose to BUT you will not see any law that encourage racism. rvp_legend
Sara_uk
quick whisper...im talking about Racist attitudes in Dubai... using the UK as a benchmark to improve it ;-) mema
lets hope we could change somethn in our communities..even a small change can make a big difference. bushra21
so what exactly does that have to do with Dubai again?
there are no laws here encouraging racisim...
also, like i said earlier, there are many cases that are filed that deal with racisim...so its not like people arent taking actions against it here. valkyrie
In addition, CAIR received 141 reports of actual and potential violent anti-Muslim hate crimes, a 52 percent increase from the 93 reports received in 2003.
So you're claiming that you, your friends, and family members were actually attacked or threatened with violence on SEVERAL occassions? :roll: Bleakus
my second cousin did kanelli Well Bushra, you have had other Arabs and non-whites in this thread saying they did not face much racism if any while living in the States. So there are likely more factors involved. I just can't believe so much could happen unprovoked. Either that, you were indeed living in the most racist village in some backwater in the US. Did all this happen in 2001, right after Sept. 11? bushra21 no. this started ever since my family had moved there. thankfully i didnt live there my entire life..but whatever, what doesnt kill you makes you stronger. the area has gotten better though in the past two years, it was, when we first lived there a completley red neck type of ,i dont even want to say city, town :? now though there are more races, asians, arabs, hispanics, so its gotten better -- more tolerant. before though we were the only family that were not 'white' so, thats why we had it even tougher. the bridge incident, and the house/cars happened after 11 september. i have to say though, well, at least make it more clear. some of the places that i lived i experienced no racisim at all, im not saying every westerner is racist, i probably came off a bit harsh on them in this thread..i didnt mean to, but like i said, when i heard people saying how locals and dubai is so racist, the most racist, i let my emotions get the best of me. kanelli So in the end you are indeed talking about only one town you lived in, and you acknowledge that you were the only non-white family living there. I would say that probably explains things. In your previous post you made it sound like you were living all over the States and faced serious abuse everywhere you lived. You should try to be clear. It makes a huge difference to say that one town in the US is the most racist place you have lived, instead of saying that the entire USA is the most racist place you have lived. Notice how I say that Dubai is the most racist place I have lived? I don't say the whole UAE, or the entire Middle East... rvp_legend
Bushra
sorry to hear that you have experienced these things. And there is no reason not to believe you.
But we all know, that Just because one place is a happy home for one, doesnt mean it is for the others.
For example, even if Dubai has provided you safe sanctuary from all the horrid things and meant you dont have to be called horrid names on a daily basis... the same may not be for other races.
An Indian or Pakistani can and is often known to be called a slave, be made to work like slaves and only work for food. At times they cannot change jobs due to their passports being controlled by their employers. they have been known o get beaten.
A White lady can be called a whore even if she holds a very respectable position.
So no one is saying that Dubai is the worst place, but the problem does exist.... but too often hidden under the carpet.
The difference is, you have Bodies in US coming out and talking about the Rise in Anti Muslim violence in the States. How often do you hear about the goverment tackling discrimination and bad working conditions for some in the UAE? bushra21
it wasnt just in that town. i said not everywhere i lived i experienced racisim...and i mentioned it, California...i have lived all over the US though, and experienced it in those cities as well. The examples i had given though were from that specific town however...I think i need to learn to be more clear when typing....sorry for the confusion bushra21
well, the lawyers i used to work for helped their clients and took those cases to court...there were indians, pakistanis, westerners, all types. it was something common to see everyday going to work.
i think the problem is that most dont say anything, maybe if they did the whole country could start to work on this problem.
also, out of the emirates, in my opinion, i would say abu dhabi is much worse than dubai. me personally, im part local, but since i carry an american passport and have a more palestinian accent when speaking arabic....will never ever work in abu dhabi. i cant, wouldnt be able to deal with it.
i would probably go home crying everynight, lol. rvp_legend
Maybe success rates would encourage people to repost cases. Have heard of very few successfull cases.
And i agree, AD is much worse - in fact, dont even get me started on Abu Dhabi! ;-) bushra21 maybe the lawyers i worked for were really good then, because they won most of their cases. expensive as hell though to get their services, but in the end its worth it. rvp_legend
So i guess that puts them out of reach for 80%+ of South East Asians.... and the problem goes on.
:cry: mema bushra hon that awful, i cant imagine what’s that like to live in a place surrounded by hate i wouldn’t last a day…welcome back home girl rvp_legend i want to u start a thread about the things u like in Dubai im not being sarcastic i just wonder if there is any? :dontknow: kensus
Hi Naruto,
You have just been listening to the wrong crowd if they say negative attributes about UAE locals. I have lived here for 13 years and have fairly well travelled the globe. I can easily vouch that UAE Nationals are fine people - to say the least.
Good or bad, I strongly believe that there are no generalizations in any Nationality.
More power to you... rudeboy
sorry for the late reply :P anyways mema i was just talking about my experience with a immigration offical who cracked a joke with his mates about me not being WHITE and having a British Passport and how i shut him up by saying yeh am a proud british muslim :D.
mema i aint got anything against locals i got local friends so y would i say they are racist. come on i really think they are nice ppl. actually everyone on this planet is nice. let it be americans locals or indians. i think the problem is that for some reason we are scared. Westerns are scared to be mates with indians or pakis or wotever and vise versa. Racism is everywhere from london to dubai to melbourne. lol funny thing was in india there were some indians making fun of this western guy and i cracked myself up not because they were being racist. but because the indians were in majority and the white guy was the minority hmmm u see wot i mean.
back to the topic of locals and y they so lazy and so on. am not saying ALL are but there are SOME. those who are lazy need to start taking into consideration about the rest of the public who got other TENSIONS in their life and maybe are less fortunate then the locals. I.e they dont get sponsor money now and then :P and they dont get paid a large sum when they get married :D. and it is the minoirty in the local workfoce that is giving the majority of the locals a bad name. like al Qaeda :D its a minority but still its giving a bad name to the millions of muslims on earth but thats another topic.
Dubai is developing into a nice city, but it will never become anything like London even though they are creating buildings,parks and so on. Because people make cities, in london ok you have racism but not where you salary is based on ur skin or passport colour. in london everyone is living happily under one roof from indians, pakis, bangalis, westerns and most of them do interact with each other easily with no problems. but are we living happily together in dubai i dont think so otherwise we wouldnt have had to discuss about it like we are now in this post.
ma salam
ramzan mubarak kurdish1987
First of all London doesnt have more than 50% of its population over run with Desi's. So there will obviously be less racism there.
But if the demographics of dubai, with all the Desis there, were to be the same in London, do you not think that racism will get higher in London, if not than more so than in Dubai. marina
dont get upset, people are always talking :-) as if LOCALS never say any negative stuff about other nationalities:-D
each of us, being a represantative of a particular nationality, having special characteristics:) SicnarFranciS
I do agree on you, there are some local people out there that are not that good vice versa. But really in General we cannot judge them, because most of them are kind and helpful to others as well.
Yes everybody is jealous with Local people because they can afford almost anything. Even I cannot deny that, I prepare to have a local friend than Syrian and Egyptian(No offense), but as what I have said we cannot judge the mentality of a person. So we can not tell that the book has fruitful stories by just seeing the cover, we must read the content first same applies in the real world.
As for me if I cannot say anything good, I prepare closing my mouth. Jane_msk Cant say any bad about locals, coz most of my friends are them))))... nice very intelligent guys with perfect since of humor.. like to hung out (with limits), or maybe coz some of them was study in moscow long time ago :D :D :D muyesser welfare system of europe was presented during the cold war as a middle way between capitalism and communism that there’re criticism around its distribution. in contrast, social insurance of uae, where the state provides its citizens with cash and in-kind benefits creates negative impact on the 'personal autonomy' of ordinary citizens.. xl bhomes There is no formula to generalise that certain nation is lazy and others are active. it depends on individuals kanelli dubaiinformationsite, for someone who is advertising a site about Dubai, you don't seem to know much. Of course not all locals are rich, and it is wrong to assume all locals are lazy. DubaiInformationSite you say not all locals are rich. can you provide examples? i was under the impression that all local emiratis are given land and money w/o effort. in addition they serve as silent partners to foreigners who set up businesses in dubai. how wrong is this? if it is right then they are called lazy rightfully so phoenix3d hmm i am in Beijing and have a friend from Dubai, he is not lazy, hard working and studying... a very gentle guy. jhbsnoopy Not all locals, i have been to a company with a lot of local employees but what i can say only those young locals i think have this attitude but for those in the managerial position and mature enough i think they are good and professional. accountingtutor Well sometimes it is the communication gap as well... Most emarati's are not very fluent in english which creates misunderstanding... accountingtutor ...but i must agree that not all are efficient... i have lots of emarati close friends but i feel they lack the capability of understanding things quickly... may be they have never been exposed to it before... and what we feel is that they just want to ignore the job alloted to them... i call this cultural difference



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