funkygibbon
if we were in person i'd raise my right index finger to your nose and say "smell yer maw"
the one that stands on its own on SZR near safa (which is the same as the new ones on the stretch near ghantoot) has been there for a month or so, and it flashes
Dubai Knight
- funkygibbon wrote:
thank you for adding some more information to this topic
whilst i acknowledge the conviction you display with your capitals and the unwavering trust you afford your specifically educated friend, i can assure you they do flash, i have a 700 dhs fine in the wake of it flashing me on SZR near Safa
Then you were importunately adversely imprinted upon the digital retina of the constabulary computer system and thereby had thine wallet relieved of its wood pulp based monetary units by what would most commonly be described in the vernacular and local parlance of the types hereabout as...
an effin' old one! The new ones are not installed on Sheikh Zayed Road yet...only on Al Khail Road.
Endex!
:x :x :x
Knight
funkygibbon
thank you for adding some more information to this topic
whilst i acknowledge the conviction you display with your capitals and the unwavering trust you afford your specifically educated friend, i can assure you they do flash, i have a 700 dhs fine in the wake of it flashing me on SZR near Safa
Dubai Knight
Lets end this now.
I have just called my mate (lets refer to him as Al Knacker of The Yard) who is in the official 'know'.
The older cameras still flash. These are either big tall vertical square boxes or smaller square boxes with 2 lenses one above the other. They use good old fashioned X or K band radar.
There are some new, smaller box type radar units on some of the minor roads, which are painted white, instead of grey and still have the twin vertical lens configuration. These are newer technology, but they still flash.
There are one or two prototype units on test. These look like little square dustbins, are painted cream and only have a single hole in the front. Inside are 2 rangefinder lenses and they do flash but you cannot see it! They operate on doppler infra red principle and will record your speed day or night as well as taking an infra red digital image of your number plate.
The latest and greatest units everyone is talking about are the German built units that look like a big stripey shiny pole. These are the mutts nuts when it comes to relieving you and I of our hard earned cash and sticking little black marks on your license! They use the infra-red technology and also feature a panning head unit! Bloody sneaky! You can slow down before the camera, then speed up afterwards...and it'll have you up the *rse! THEY DO NOT FLASH!
The portable roadside units are still circa 1850 and use a camera where the guy hides under a big black cloth and pulls the cover off the shutter. But they can still have you!
We're all dooomed!
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Knight
funkygibbon
glad you can clear that up - i didn't know about that
but its that kind that we're talking about and they are on SZR where i was flashed, and where the new ones have been erected on the section going towards Abu Dhabi
so to confirm, we're talking about those
Captain Australia
In the last few days a bunch of new speed cameras have been installed along Shaikh Zayed Rd, all the way down to the Abu Dhabi border.
Anyone know any more info on them? Is it still speed-business-as-usual, ie 140ks in the 120 zone and you're 'safe'? Also, someone at work said that they don't flash in the daytime like the older ones do. That's bad news because you won't know you've been done for a while.
What's going on? Are they all over Dubai as well?
pete t
Well Captain
I think it's still 140 because everyone is still driving at 140.. 8)
and they do flash your friend a work knows nothing .. :wink:
farthestpoint
Normally, a camera doesn't "flash" during day time because of the light :)
arniegang
cameras do flash in the daytime because flash is needed as a means to stop blur on moving objects.
Captain, you are right the new style speed camera's do not flash. We have them in the UK, they are fairly new technology. Ours are used on Motorways for "speed check areas". This means they place 2 or 3 along a given stretch of road and picture you in and out of the gateways, thus taking an average speed check between the camera's.
You cant beat them or know they are there because they dont flash, they use infra red i think.
Dubai Knight
- arniegang wrote:
cameras do flash in the daytime because flash is needed as a means to stop blur on moving objects.
Captain, you are right the new style speed camera's do not flash. We have them in the UK, they are fairly new technology. Ours are used on Motorways for "speed check areas". This means they place 2 or 3 along a given stretch of road and picture you in and out of the gateways, thus taking an average speed check between the camera's.
You cant beat them or know they are there because they dont flash, they use infra red i think.
Gaaa! Those infernal inventors have come up with new technology...Infra red means they cannot be detected by the normal radar detectors. If we chrome plate all the cars, the light would just bounce off like a mirror!
I think the 'unofficial' limits are 130 from the section after Ibn Battuta, 140 after Jebel Ali to the border at Ghantoot, then its 160 all the way to Abu Dhabi. Now we won't be able to check, because no-one is going to get flashed. Damn.
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Knight
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Captain Australia
I thought it just meant they would not flash in the day, but still at night. Are you saying that they wont flash at all? Oh No!
What I was really worried about was if the new cameras were set to 10ks over or something stupid. I'm sure it is 20Ks, but I'd like to be sure, by seeing it flash on someone else, but now I can't. Dammit.
Still, I've been here 6 months without getting caught (I think). Ask
pete t how many times he's been done. :wink:
:iroc:
Dubai Knight
- funkygibbon wrote:
if we were in person i'd raise my right index finger to your nose and say "smell yer maw"
the one that stands on its own on SZR near safa (which is the same as the new ones on the stretch near ghantoot) has been there for a month or so, and it flashes
With right middle finger firmly held vertical I would respond in equal verbosity that you were still caught by the old type radar cameras. The new ones are very distinctive in that they are a tall, thin round pole in silver and blue stripes. These are not yet installed on SZR. Official.
I know the one you mean and it is in an oval casing on a thin stand pole. Its the old type, just in a new case.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Knight
arniegang
- Captain Australia wrote:
I thought it just meant they would not flash in the day, but still at night. Are you saying that they wont flash at all? Oh No!
What I was really worried about was if the new cameras were set to 10ks over or something stupid. I'm sure it is 20Ks, but I'd like to be sure, by seeing it flash on someone else, but now I can't. Dammit.
Still, I've been here 6 months without getting caught (I think). Ask pete t how many times he's been done. :wink:
:iroc:
i'm sorry to report they do not flash at all :shock:
arniegang
DK
i can confirm that i do indeed have a radar detector in the arniemobile and they dont pick up infra red. The current models even in the UK only detect laser from fixed or mobile camera units.
Luckily, here they put up warning signs saying "speed check area" so we are prepared in looking for them, then we just set cruise control to the set speed limit until we pass the last camera
:?
deepeyes14
As far as I know the new double sided radar doesn't flash in the day neither in the night. it is equipped with laser technology and can capture moving objects without flashing. I work in Dubai Media City and live in deira so I use sheikh zayed road everyday till media city, New radar installed near Metropolitan captures at 130.
There will be 50 new smart radars on sheikh zayed road soon.
Gulf News Source:
I can not post the link because of not having sufficient posts but you can search gulfnews for the article number
10245335.html
Dubai Knight
Ah well, no flashing disco lights for me on the Sheikh Zayed Road next time I am late for a meeting in Abu Dhabi!
:cry: :cry: :cry:
Knight
pete t
- Captain Australia wrote:
Still, I've been here 6 months without getting caught (I think). Ask pete t how many times he's been done. :wink:
:iroc:
yeah but you drive like a granny on a sunday tea leaf run :sleepy1:
there 4 lanes You HAVE to drive just below the limit . . :headbang:
and sometime you go alittle over :oops:
funkygibbon
new ones you refer to at that stretch on SZR flash, but if you drove through them too fast on the day they were erected i would guess they weren't activated yet
pete t
Craig with all that,.. I'm alittle lost this is a forum keep it short and sweet
the more you type it doesn't make you look smarter OK :wink:
Do the new camera's flash ? in the UK or Here in Dubai ?
This model of speed camera has been in Dubai few months now..
So has anyone seen a flash from the new cameras ?
I Have Not. day or night.
I personally don't see the point of thinking they are not working yet ...
will you drive at 162 untill you have 50 speeding fines heading your way ?
i KNOW the old cameras were set to 160 on the road to Abu Dhabi
But that tripod one was set to 140,.. THAT was the tricky one because you never knew where it was ... :cussing:
Captain Australia
Wow, no offense intended, but you have a long-winded way of writing there craig. Thanks for the info though.
To sum up, or in internet speak TL;DR (too long, didn't read)
They do flash.
They are probably not operational yet.
They are not the "distance/average' ones, just plain old speed cameras.
Not sure if they flash in the daytime.
funkygibbon
my apologies, i went off on one because of the pish opinions that people blurt out online as fact
in laymans terms...
of course you'd advise everyone to stay in the speed limits, but if people are concerned they've been caught speeding by the new ones on that part of SZR, it may be of comfort to realise the chances are the cameras are not operational yet
i have seen the new cameras in dubai flash people
the new cameras are not the same as the average speed cameras in the UK
to suggest they are average speed cameras is misleading
i think arnie is a monkey
pete t
- funkygibbon wrote:
i think arnie is a monkey
Excellent, :violent3:
now we have real value on the subject :lol:
arniegang
Quote:
- the new speed cameras are dotted all over Dubai, including Business Bay Bridge and SZR. the one on Business Bay stands in isolation, as does the one on SZR near Safa Interchange. So the claim that they are average speed cameras appears ill-judged, since they can't monitor your speed over a set distance if they stand alone, but again, i'll just state the facts, rather than lodge an unqualified argument
Maybe you should read posts more carefully, then you would not get your facts incorrect.
I merely pointed out that in the UK we have camera's that DO NOT flash, and these happen to be "average check camera's". I dont recall saying the dubai ones were average speed check camera's.
The new technology is being rolled out across the UK as and when they replace the current "gatso's"
Also our camera parnerships in the UK are trialling new hand held mobile speed guns that also work at night without a flash.
This threads subject was initially asking if speed cameras exist that do not flash.
The answer is quite simply, YES.
arniegang
see here
Quote:
- Popularity On UK Roads : 2/10
How to Protect Yourself : GPS Speed Camera Detection System only.
How They Work : A forward facing camera, designed to take photographs of the front of a passing vehicle, allowing the picture taken to show the driver of the vehicle as well to aid prosecution.
Sensors in the road calculate the speed and the Infra red camera captures the car registration number and driver picture without a flash. This system offers evidence as to the identity of the driver at the time of the offence.
No flash it ommitted as the system uses Infra Red Light .
Quote:
- Popularity On UK Roads : 2/10
How to Protect Yourself : GPS Speed Camera Detection System
How They Work : Also known as Speed Violation Detection Deterrent (SVDD), the SPECS system uses high surveylance video that time you from point to point.
These are designed to prevent motorists from braking at the GATSO camera and speeding up later as they calculate your average speed between points, upto a mile.
Limitations : Easy to Spot and thats about it. The data is stored digitally on a central computer, so that there is no need for film to be collected and changed at the cameras site.
I think this covers the subject adequately
:lol:
funkygibbon
with the greatest of respect, the people reading your threads will have minimal interest in speed cameras in the UK
this discussion is quite blatantly with reference to 'the new speed cameras on SZR' as are the implications you actively made on the subject
stop being silly
sharfraz
great :D you guys are talking about radars 8)
Dubai Knight
- funkygibbon wrote:
glad you can clear that up - i didn't know about that
but its that kind that we're talking about and they are on SZR where i was flashed, and where the new ones have been erected on the section going towards Abu Dhabi
so to confirm, we're talking about those
Yes, these are all the same. They are radar based and flash.
The new new ones are experimental and are being tested and evaluated by the Feds on the Al Khail Road only at the moment. If they prove their ability and reliability, expect to see them sprouting up all over the place sometime soon.
8) 8) 8)
Knight
arniegang
- Dubai Knight wrote:
- funkygibbon wrote:
if we were in person i'd raise my right index finger to your nose and say "smell yer maw"
the one that stands on its own on SZR near safa (which is the same as the new ones on the stretch near ghantoot) has been there for a month or so, and it flashes
With right middle finger firmly held vertical I would respond in equal verbosity that you were still caught by the old type radar cameras. The new ones are very distinctive in that they are a tall, thin round pole in silver and blue stripes. These are not yet installed on SZR. Official.
I know the one you mean and it is in an oval casing on a thin stand pole. Its the old type, just in a new case.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Knight
I think they are now installed and working on the Emirates road. And like DK quite rightly points out they DO NOT FLASH.
Waqsy
does anyone know where to find speed camera gps updates for dubai? for garmin etc...
As for these new double sided cameras theres plenty of them on emirates road now aswell.
Dubai Knight
- Waqsy wrote:
does anyone know where to find speed camera gps updates for dubai? for garmin etc...
As for these new double sided cameras theres plenty of them on emirates road now aswell.
They are rolling them out steadily. As for updates, I prefer to use the older hardware and software called E.Y.E.S.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Knight
funkygibbon
Dubai Knight wrote:
funkygibbon wrote:
if we were in person i'd raise my right index finger to your nose and say "smell yer maw"
the one that stands on its own on SZR near safa (which is the same as the new ones on the stretch near ghantoot) has been there for a month or so, and it flashes
With right middle finger firmly held vertical I would respond in equal verbosity that you were still caught by the old type radar cameras. The new ones are very distinctive in that they are a tall, thin round pole in silver and blue stripes. These are not yet installed on SZR. Official.
I know the one you mean and it is in an oval casing on a thin stand pole. Its the old type, just in a new case.
Knight
I think they are now installed and working on the Emirates road. And like DK quite rightly points out they DO NOT FLASH.
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aaah, i see what's going on here... you guys are lovers?
funkygibbon
edited
there is no need to get personal
:P
funkygibbon
edited again
dont get personal
:P
MOD
Captain Australia
Oooooooo... what did you say? haha
Cheers, I think my question has been answered. Ta everyone.
motion
i have heard that if the speed limit is 120 kph and you are speeding lets say 130 kph and slow down to 120 kph before the camera. but speed off again once the camera has passed, and you are speeding at lets say 140kph and the distance from the camera is 0.5km, the camera or radar will be able to detect you and fine you. Is this correct?
does anyone know about this?
sharfraz
- motion wrote:
i have heard that if the speed limit is 120 kph and you are speeding lets say 130 kph and slow down to 120 kph before the camera. but speed off again once the camera has passed, and you are speeding at lets say 140kph and the distance from the camera is 0.5km, the camera or radar will be able to detect you and fine you. Is this correct?
does anyone know about this?
I heard it too..., i cant confirm., the penalty for that is heavy...
and also i heard that from one point to another point it calculates the
maximum time taken with maximum speed of that road., so., if it finds that
you have been speeding to reach the destination..you're caught .,and you've
to pay for it....
rudeboy
- sharfraz wrote:
- motion wrote:
i have heard that if the speed limit is 120 kph and you are speeding lets say 130 kph and slow down to 120 kph before the camera. but speed off again once the camera has passed, and you are speeding at lets say 140kph and the distance from the camera is 0.5km, the camera or radar will be able to detect you and fine you. Is this correct?
does anyone know about this?
I heard it too..., i cant confirm., the penalty for that is heavy...
and also i heard that from one point to another point it calculates the
maximum time taken with maximum speed of that road., so., if it finds that
you have been speeding to reach the destination..you're caught .,and you've
to pay for it....
lol they gone nuts. good thing i work from home feel sorry for you guys seriously :P
Waqsy
well id like to see how they catch u when you're on a motorbike :)
Captain Australia
Speeding around on a motorbike in Dubai. Hmm... I don't think they will need to catch you, nature will take care of itself.
... just kidding. But take care out there. The amount of random, fast, no-looking lane changes is crazy.
Absou
hey guys . be very careful of the new cameras in sSZ and emirates road . the blue cameras are not only made to catch the speed. it contains a video camera which can monitor all the traffic movement and how drivers behave ..i mean if you overtake a lane without using the signal light you might get a fine.....if you throw any thing from your car you might as well get a fine...which am pretty sure you don;t dom guys but in case....
maximun speed in emirates road now is 140 km/hr
Waqsy
- Captain Australia wrote:
Speeding around on a motorbike in Dubai. Hmm... I don't think they will need to catch you, nature will take care of itself.
... just kidding. But take care out there. The amount of random, fast, no-looking lane changes is crazy.
I know what you mean, i only speed when roads are empty... Drive slower than normal when there is traffic though because alot of people move in and out of lanes suddenly like they are playing snakes and ladders or something.
cRyotanK
take a close look at the new cams and you will see that every other is fake and the real ones are still empty... At least those on the highway to AD...
Chocoholic
They're all over Emirates road too! Didn't see any of them flash when I went down - oh crap!
sage & onion
- Chocoholic wrote:
They're all over Emirates road too! Didn't see any of them flash when I went down - oh crap!
According to informed sources the ones on Emirates road do not flash
clegg
sensys.se/Templates/ProductOverview1.aspx?PageID=3605d4c1-6b33-4c2b-8f79-0f5076ad685
these are the new cameras. and i believe they do flash. the come with tailgating and lane change options but lane change can only be enforced where there is a continuous white lane, whereas tailgating can only be enforced if the camera is taking a picture from the back(otherwise the car will be too close to the next to take a front picture in case of very close tailgating) please post here if there any more info =)
(add h t t p : / / and w w w behind the above link as this is my first post)
motion
cameras dont flash in the daylight.
rupesh
This is INSANE!!!
Check out this paragraph:
"The infra-red camera uses an invisible
flash so that it will not be seen when IR INFRA-RED
a photo is taken. This may be convenient for example
in residential areas where one does not wish to
disturb residents with a white visible flash."
This btw applies only to the Mobile Speed Safety System (the mobile cameras) and not the SSS ("Speed Safety System" - the poles you see on SZR) according to:
(.pdf files below)
sensys.se/BinaryLoader.aspx?OwnerID=248137be-f88c-4901-b8fd-d418c0dce447&OwnerType=2&ModuleID=a8429cd5-a9d9-4e2b-a1d8-4a7cf26cd7a3&PropertyCollectionName=Content&PropertyName=Files&ValueIndex=0
and
sensys.se/BinaryLoader.aspx?OwnerID=60f74ff8-c4a6-4de3-8732-55d02bc65805&OwnerType=2&ModuleID=a8429cd5-a9d9-4e2b-a1d8-4a7cf26cd7a3&PropertyCollectionName=Content&PropertyName=Files&ValueIndex=0
and for more details:
sensys.se/Templates/ProductInformation1.aspx?PageID=248137be-f88c-4901-b8fd-d418c0dce447
sensys.se/Templates/ProductOverview1.aspx?PageID=60f74ff8-c4a6-4de3-8732-55d02bc65805
I do hope they're not active yet, otherwise .......
Captain Australia
Yeah, that's the one. The blue one from the catalog.
Interesting reading. It says that it can track multiple targets up to 150 metres away, then it gets them when they get close enough to take the photo.
So you'd better make sure you're not speeding 150 metres away, rather than slow down right on them like you can do with the current cameras.
Dubai Knight
Now what was I saying in my earlier posts?
Hmmm...
8) 8) 8)
Knight
onetickin
I got flashed at 128km, in a 100km section on SZR. 600AED fine. Used to be able to do 140km all the way from World Trade Centre to Marina.
sharfraz
- Dr Strangeglove wrote:
Not that the Doc advocates speeding (just getting from A to B in a velocitous manner), but I checked my fines this week and I haven't been hit with anything in November (and for the last two weeks I've been thinking the tall grey posts were for traffic monitoring), so I haven't been slowing down for them. This either means:
1) They aren't active yet.
2) I've got a truckload of new fines headed my way.
may be no 2
:lol:
Dr Strangeglove
Not that the Doc advocates speeding (just getting from A to B in a velocitous manner), but I checked my fines this week and I haven't been hit with anything in November (and for the last two weeks I've been thinking the tall grey posts were for traffic monitoring), so I haven't been slowing down for them. This either means:
1) They aren't active yet.
2) I've got a truckload of new fines headed my way.
busa
For those who drive to the office, you have probably notice the NEW RADAR. You will find below details that have been communicated to me:
These are not just nicer looking radar cameras -so be careful.
First thing is that these cameras do NOT flash. They can take photos in complete darkness through ultra-light sensors, so even if it does not flash, it could have caught you. They also automatically read your number plate from the picture taken.
Now, comes the thing that catches most people. These cameras are continuous photo-taking cameras and they will take your photo regardless if you have been speeding or not. Then the next camera in 3-5 kms again does the same. Now, instead of checking your speed through advanced radars, these cameras are very simple and all they do is calculate how fast you traveled between the 2 cameras. If you arrived at the next camera faster than 120 km/h (or whatever the speed limit is) then you get fined.
What does this mean?
It means that you can stop speeding up between cameras and slowing down as it does not matter anymore. If you are speeding in between 2 cameras you will get fined.
Furthermore, don't be fooled by no flash flashing that the camera is not working.
Anyone not knowing this, should check out their fines and see if they got anything lately.
You can check it here: Ooops cant do it yet
sharfraz
- busa wrote:
Now, comes the thing that catches most people. These cameras are continuous photo-taking cameras and they will take your photo regardless if you have been speeding or not. Then the next camera in 3-5 kms again does the same. Now, instead of checking your speed through advanced radars, these cameras are very simple and all they do is calculate how fast you traveled between the 2 cameras. If you arrived at the next camera faster than 120 km/h (or whatever the speed limit is) then you get fined.
What does this mean?
It means that you can stop speeding up between cameras and slowing down as it does not matter anymore. If you are speeding in between 2 cameras you will get fined.
Furthermore, don't be fooled by no flash flashing that the camera is not working.
I did include that in my previous post...
8)
Waqsy
I highly doubt they are average speed cameras i.e two cameras working together
redtilldead
- busa wrote:
If you arrived at the next camera faster than 120 km/h (or whatever the speed limit is) then you get fined.
So now there is no 20 km/hr "grace" ?
Dubai Knight
- redtilldead wrote:
- busa wrote:
If you arrived at the next camera faster than 120 km/h (or whatever the speed limit is) then you get fined.
So now there is no 20 km/hr "grace" ?
There is supposed to be a + or - 10% factor to allow for innacuracies in your speedometer...so your upper limit would be 132 kmph. But if you sit at this speed and you speedometer is slightly out, you may be doing more than that...in which case, you get a ticket!
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Knight
rupesh
- Dr Strangeglove wrote:
... This either means:
1) They aren't active yet.
2) I've got a truckload of new fines headed my way.
read here:
elfurl . com/poaxg
maybe we're lucky and they're not "considered/reliable/authorized/implemented" yet thus still being under testing...
Runs With Scissors
New Traffic Cameras in Dubai are not just nice looking - they are intelligent technology.
First thing is that these cameras do NOT flash. They can take photos in complete darkness through ultra-light sensors, so even if it does not flash, it could have caught you. They also automatically read your number plate from the picture taken.
Now, here comes the catch. These cameras are continuous photo-taking cameras and they will take your photo regardless if you have been speeding or not. Then the next camera in 1-5 kms again does the same. Now, instead of checking your speed through advanced radars, these cameras are very simple and all they do is calculate how fast you traveled between the 2 cameras. If you arrived at the next camera faster than 120 km/h (or whatever the speed limit is) then you get fined.
What does this mean?
It means that you can stop speeding up between cameras and slowing down as it does not matter anymore. If you are speeding in between 2 cameras you will get fined.
» High-resolution digital images
» Continuous speed verification by applying two independent methods
» Number plate and/or driver identification
» Secure remote communication and setup
» Local storage capacity of up to 400,000 images (optional)
» Provides information about time, date, location, vehicle speed, speed limit
» Supports front or rear photography, or both simultaneously
» Non-intrusive technology, no devices buried in the road surface
» Uses Sensys' unique multi-tracking radar RS240
» Tracks and measures each vehicle more than 20 times per second
» Triggers at an adjustable speed limit and report line
» Scheduled functionality (only enforced during specified hours and days)
» Possible to take one or two images of the offence
The SSS operates from the side of the road, tracking traffic for speed and
distance.
Tracking starts at 150 meters and vehicles exceeding the speed limit trigger
the system at a set report line. A picture is taken of the violating vehicle and
stored with time, date, speed and location embedded in the file and are
follows;
» Speed Tracking
» Vehicle Identification
» Driver Identification
» Lane Discipline
» Line Detection
» Vehicle Classification / Track Classification
» Average speed tracking
[color=red] Avoid driving fast & braking
near radar points, It will track
you approx. 150 m to 200m
away
Avoid boosting speed after
the radar points, it will track the
average distance between two
control points ( two nearest
radars)
[color=red]Please follow the rules while line
changing, Can be tracked
Don’t use mobile phones while
driving, Can be tracked
Use seat belts always, Can be
tracked
Follow the lane discipline for
heavy vehicles, Can be tracked
Always keep the safe distance,
Can be tracked
Avoid jumping lanes, crossing[/color]
yellows, Can be tracked[/color]
[color=black] I have heard the new cameras will come into use on the 1st january but have not seen anything official so it's only rumour. The first one installed near interchange 1 was for traffic monitoring accordint the the Gulf News a few months ago but now it's obvious it was on trial. If I could attach a document I would showing how the cameras work.
For other replies stating the old cameras don't flash in the day....They do! These are the radar based cameras with xenon flash and are not so sofisticated that they can tell night from day.[/color]
Brett
Waqsy
Surely if you was to do a excessive speed of 140km/h for example for half the distance between camera 1 and 2, and then a slow 80km/h for the other half its not theoretically possible for it to catch you
seardarren
- Waqsy wrote:
Surely if you was to do a excessive speed of 140km/h for example for half the distance between camera 1 and 2, and then a slow 80km/h for the other half its not theoretically possible for it to catch you
That would be my guess too. However if you're likely to do 140 in the first place, you wont want to slow down to 80 afterwards. Maybe a bit of fun when there's space etc, you just cant keep it up.
How about those traffic camera detectors? Are they available here? Just for the spot speeding of course, not average speed fines.
greatexpectations
so they're still not working yet right?
Am i still safe to do 120km? between WTC and Marina?
quatroporte
the first three interchanges on SZR are 120 cap... after that they are all 140KM cap.
second... I can't believe that all of you trusting a fake email spreading around!!!!!!!! did you read an official statement saying that those speed cameras dont flash!!
90% of those new pole cameras are not yet operational or working and are still under testing... second... they all will flash... no infrared option have been enabled.
those new cameras will not do anything new other than speed tickets and from the same taken photograph they may issue you seat belt ticket or speaking on the phone ticket.
the scary part that it can detect our speed from 150m away which we need to maintain caution.
just don't take it too serious guys... chill out :)
Red Chief
- quatroporte wrote:
no infrared option have been enabled.
Infrared photograph is cool. Probaly you watched "Star wars" a lot.
Have anybody of you, guys, worn night viewer (in the army for ex.) to speak about reading plate in the absolute darkness?
Only for your inf. IR is actually a measure of a body heat no more no less.
quatroporte
- Red Chief wrote:
- quatroporte wrote:
no infrared option have been enabled.
Infrared photograph is cool. Probaly you watched "Star wars" a lot.
Have anybody of you, guys, worn night viewer (in the army for ex.) to speak about reading plate in the absolute darkness?
Only for your inf. IR is actually a measure of a body heat no more no less.
you need to do a bit of reading....
it is known as "Infrared Photography" and it is possible to take images in darkness with this technique... however, the images produced may end up low quality and in Black&white only... you can do this with any DSLR camera (if you own one).
Red Chief
Ok. What do YOU mean speaking about infrared option?
quatroporte
- Red Chief wrote:
Ok. What do YOU mean speaking about infrared option?
you need to read the other replies on this thread...
what I meant with the infrared option is that RTA did not implement the Infrared "add-on" which can be shipped with this advanced Swedish pole cameras.
simply the answer is: Yes, those cameras can shot at night without flash and No, not yet implemented in Dubai.
Dubai Knight
- quatroporte wrote:
- Red Chief wrote:
Ok. What do YOU mean speaking about infrared option?
you need to read the other replies on this thread...
what I meant with the infrared option is that RTA did not implement the Infrared "add-on" which can be shipped with this advanced Swedish pole cameras.
simply the answer is: Yes, those cameras can shot at night without flash and No, not yet implemented in Dubai.
Yes they are infra red.
Yes, Dubai Police DID take the option.
Yes, they flash, but they flash in infra red, so you can't see it.
Yes, they do take Hi-res images (12.1 mega pixel)
Yes, they can detect non wearing of seatbelt and mobile phone use
Yes, the can also detect improper lane changing and many other offences
Yes, they can work out average speeds between cameras
Yes, they are fully operational
No, they are German, not Swedish
No, you can't get away from them
Endex.
Official.
Direct from Dubai Police headquarters and our man inside, Inspector Al Knacker of The Yard.
Accept no substitutes.
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Knight
sharfraz
I suggest everyone follow the road rules and give zero tolerance...
then what about my idea of buying Infiniti G37s
:shock:
Red Chief
- Dubai Knight wrote:
Yes, they flash, but they flash in infra red, so you can't see it.
This is exactly what I asked for. It gots more clear but not entirely...
quatroporte
- Dubai Knight wrote:
- quatroporte wrote:
- Red Chief wrote:
Ok. What do YOU mean speaking about infrared option?
you need to read the other replies on this thread...
what I meant with the infrared option is that RTA did not implement the Infrared "add-on" which can be shipped with this advanced Swedish pole cameras.
simply the answer is: Yes, those cameras can shot at night without flash and No, not yet implemented in Dubai.
Yes they are infra red.
Yes, Dubai Police DID take the option.
Yes, they flash, but they flash in infra red, so you can't see it.
Yes, they do take Hi-res images (12.1 mega pixel)
Yes, they can detect non wearing of seatbelt and mobile phone use
Yes, the can also detect improper lane changing and many other offences
Yes, they can work out average speeds between cameras
Yes, they are fully operational
No, they are German, not Swedish
No, you can't get away from them
Endex.
Official.
Direct from Dubai Police headquarters and our man inside, Inspector Al Knacker of The Yard.
Accept no substitutes.
8) 8) 8)
Knight
read again.. this is the official website of this camera.. its Swedish.
I will leave you with your inside man to enjoy :D :D I still drive and pass through those cameras on 180... coz I will be notified when those will get active... infact it will be announced in public.
bedro
- Dubai Knight wrote:
Yes, they flash, but they flash in infra red, so you can't see it.
I've seen them flashing already.
funkygibbon
its the misplaced arrogance of some people's uneducated opinion that is most frustrating about all this
i just get the impression some people like the idea of giving people the impression they know what they're talking about
...i also get the impression some people seem to think these cameras are actually going to grow arms and legs and chase you down the road before issuing you an on-the-spot fine for releasing the handbrake before putting the car in gear that morning.
i don't claim the luxury of any 'men in the know' nonsense, but the facts are one of these new cameras flashed me in broad daylight and i got a fine from it about two months or so ago on SZR near Metrolpolitan Hotel (i think thats roughly where that camera is)
opposed to reading spurious emails and forming an incredibly defiant opinion based on an email, i was actually flashed by one and got a fine. seems as much evidence as anyone would need. and i would have thought has more weight than a random email that you receive from your friends...
that said, i travel to AD every day from Dubai Marina and have been going through the new speed cameras at the Ghantoot stretch at 150kmh since they were installed and have received no fines
the fine from the one near Metropolitan came through within a few days, but many weeks have passed with no flashes from the ones at Ghantoot
drive safely, of course, but give the playground battle to be the dominant male of the virtual world a rest
quatroporte
- funkygibbon wrote:
its the misplaced arrogance of some people's uneducated opinion that is most frustrating about all this
i just get the impression some people like the idea of giving people the impression they know what they're talking about
...i also get the impression some people seem to think these cameras are actually going to grow arms and legs and chase you down the road before issuing you an on-the-spot fine for releasing the handbrake before putting the car in gear that morning.
i don't claim the luxury of any 'men in the know' nonsense, but the facts are one of these new cameras flashed me in broad daylight and i got a fine from it about two months or so ago on SZR near Metrolpolitan Hotel (i think thats roughly where that camera is)
opposed to reading spurious emails and forming an incredibly defiant opinion based on an email, i was actually flashed by one and got a fine. seems as much evidence as anyone would need. and i would have thought has more weight than a random email that you receive from your friends...
that said, i travel to AD every day from Dubai Marina and have been going through the new speed cameras at the Ghantoot stretch at 150kmh since they were installed and have received no fines
the fine from the one near Metropolitan came through within a few days, but many weeks have passed with no flashes from the ones at Ghantoot
drive safely, of course, but give the playground battle to be the dominant male of the virtual world a rest
respect and salute to you. finally someone speaks common sense.
bedro
- funkygibbon wrote:
drive safely, of course, but give the playground battle to be the dominant male of the virtual world a rest
Looooool
Dominant male of the virtual world: Contestants get ready for the final prize.
:D:D:D
Wednesday Jones
Going slightly off subject-ish, do you know anyone who has been unaware that they have been caught speeding on camera, and unaware of the fine only to be held at the airport for unpaid fines ?
Or for any other fines for that matter?
Sorry, sounds barking, but there is a certain sense of paranoia dealing with the authorities sometimes. :shock:
Dubai Knight
Sigh...
OK...the guy who claims he was flashed by the camera and received a fine 'a couple of months ago' please refer to the earlier posts in this thread. That camera has been there for a while but is the OLD technology and will flash at you.
The new cameras do not flash in the visible light spectrum.
There are 2 different 'new cameras'. The ones we are discussing are definitely German (not Swedish, they are the older ones) and are in a completely round pod, not in a little plastic box on top of a thin pole. They are round because the camera is able to pan in both directions and follow your number plate as you go by. The were initially installed only on the Emirates Road.
Enough on this subject. Dubai Police Traffic Department provided the information and I think, if anyone knows, they do.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Knight
quatroporte
- Dubai Knight wrote:
Sigh...
OK...the guy who claims he was flashed by the camera and received a fine 'a couple of months ago' please refer to the earlier posts in this thread. That camera has been there for a while but is the OLD technology and will flash at you.
The new cameras do not flash in the visible light spectrum.
There are 2 different 'new cameras'. The ones we are discussing are definitely German (not Swedish, they are the older ones) and are in a completely round pod, not in a little plastic box on top of a thin pole. They are round because the camera is able to pan in both directions and follow your number plate as you go by. The were initially installed only on the Emirates Road.
Enough on this subject. Dubai Police Traffic Department provided the information and I think, if anyone knows, they do.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Knight
ohhh ok, I confused with you with the other model
its called the PoliScan and yes its German
first to my knowledge there are only 3 installed, one on Al Khail road, one on SZR and one on emirates Rd... and are not yet active!!! those are under testing (please READ gulfnews, they clearly stated that they are under testing)
second, the other Swedish model which *will* be used is already being installed all over Emirates Road, Dubai-Hatta road with 1.5KM separating each unit. soon SZR will be followed with Dubai-AlAin Road. and they are bought at the same period as poliscan is.
well, there are two models being tested. however the Swedish model is what will be used in Dubai in various highways. its not clear if they will use both the German and the Swedish units simultaneously.
third, the German unit burst a red flash... that doesn't make it invisible to the eye!!! you will see it flashing.
finally, you need to read more about photography. specifically you need to read about "speed photography"... to capture and freeze a speeding car in a photograph you need a burst of flash to accomplish this... otherwise you will end up with blurry or very dark images as those cameras can capture images upto 1/8000sec and this need lots and lots of light to build an image.
the only alternative is using infrared... however, the result is a medium quality images and can only capture the plate number but NOT any driver specific details.
benwj
The only way that this can be settled is for someone to drive past the round blue things on emirates road at say 160kmph and report back to DF whether they saw a flash or not.
Any volunteers???
Wednesday Jones
And if you test it on SZR, will you be going so fast that the Salik cameras won't catch you?
:D :D
quatroporte
I did and my speed was almost 180... and those things did not flash, NOT because they shot me with invisible flash but because they are not yet operational. to my knowledge when they are 100% operational it will be all over the news papers.
Dubai police did not release any official information other than the last press release on Gulfnews last October stating that those are still under testing.
so guys don't simply believe every email you receive which is not properly referenced.
when all the cameras get active, the roads will be flashing like a Christmas tree :lol:
Dubai Knight
You only need a shutter speed of 1/60th or 1/125th of a second to record any speeding object, it is the power and the duration of the flash that is significant. The normal flash guns produce a single burst of approximately 1/4000th second. Thats almost enough to freeze a bullet in mid flight, so more than enough to catch most speeders on the SZR!
Unless you are Arniegang in a hurry to get to the bank!
Its going to be like a paparazzi party down in Jebel Ali when they all become operational, but hopefully the majority of offenders will have Abu Dhabi plates and blacked out windows. Already got my shades on!
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Knight
sharfraz
okokok, is it german or swedish?
Dubai Knight
- sharfraz wrote:
okokok, is it german or swedish?
If you mean the offenders? Hopefully Abu Dhabi-ites.
If you mean the camera systems? Does it matter? They will both be in use and they will both catch you if you speed.
The fine will not be in Euros or Swedish Krona!
8) 8) 8)
Knight
quatroporte
the official announcement.
two things to note:
1. they clearly said it will flash... and the flash is controlled for Heavy and light vehicles...
2. they never and will never mention that those units will calculate your speed between two radars...
as I previously and clearly mentioned, Dubai police will use the new "Swedish" radar (the Blue radar attached to a pole). and I am sure everyone noticed them already on all the major highways.
I hope this info will end this thread
sharfraz
- quatroporte wrote:
the official announcement.
this what proves to all people who made the fuzz about this radar are wrong.
two things to note:
1. they clearly said it will flash... and the flash is controlled for Heavy and light vehicles...
2. they never and will never mention that those units will calculate your speed between two radars...
as I previously and clearly mentioned, Dubai police will use the new "Swedish" radar (the Blue radar attached to a pole). and I am sure everyone noticed them already on all the major highways.
I hope this info will end this thread
Bikers!!!!!!!!?????? no matter how fast they ride??????
:?
Miss_lolly
- Captain Australia wrote:
In the last few days a bunch of new speed cameras have been installed along Shaikh Zayed Rd, all the way down to the Abu Dhabi border.
Anyone know any more info on them? Is it still speed-business-as-usual, ie 140ks in the 120 zone and you're 'safe'? Also, someone at work said that they don't flash in the daytime like the older ones do. That's bad news because you won't know you've been done for a while.
What's going on? Are they all over Dubai as well?
well i found myself drinving more then 120 & till now didn t recieve any fines :D
even in jumeirah with 90/km so many times & nothing
:D
sharfraz
- Miss_lolly wrote:
- Captain Australia wrote:
In the last few days a bunch of new speed cameras have been installed along Shaikh Zayed Rd, all the way down to the Abu Dhabi border.
Anyone know any more info on them? Is it still speed-business-as-usual, ie 140ks in the 120 zone and you're 'safe'? Also, someone at work said that they don't flash in the daytime like the older ones do. That's bad news because you won't know you've been done for a while.
What's going on? Are they all over Dubai as well?
well i found myself drinving more then 120 & till now didn t recieve any fines :D
even in jumeirah with 90/km so many times & nothing
:D
never expect me to speed... I strictly follow the rules...
5 to 10kms tolerance level....
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Miss_lolly
- sharfraz wrote:
- Miss_lolly wrote:
- Captain Australia wrote:
In the last few days a bunch of new speed cameras have been installed along Shaikh Zayed Rd, all the way down to the Abu Dhabi border.
Anyone know any more info on them? Is it still speed-business-as-usual, ie 140ks in the 120 zone and you're 'safe'? Also, someone at work said that they don't flash in the daytime like the older ones do. That's bad news because you won't know you've been done for a while.
What's going on? Are they all over Dubai as well?
well i found myself drinving more then 120 & till now didn t recieve any fines :D
even in jumeirah with 90/km so many times & nothing
:D
never expect me to speed... I strictly follow the rules...
5 to 10kms tolerance level....
8)
ohhhh
i m gonna be sick if i didn t :D
sharfraz
- Miss_lolly wrote:
- sharfraz wrote:
- Miss_lolly wrote:
- Captain Australia wrote:
In the last few days a bunch of new speed cameras have been installed along Shaikh Zayed Rd, all the way down to the Abu Dhabi border.
Anyone know any more info on them? Is it still speed-business-as-usual, ie 140ks in the 120 zone and you're 'safe'? Also, someone at work said that they don't flash in the daytime like the older ones do. That's bad news because you won't know you've been done for a while.
What's going on? Are they all over Dubai as well?
well i found myself drinving more then 120 & till now didn t recieve any fines :D
even in jumeirah with 90/km so many times & nothing
:D
never expect me to speed... I strictly follow the rules...
5 to 10kms tolerance level....
8)
ohhhh
i m gonna be sick if i didn t :D
that's a fine sickness
8)
Miss_lolly
really
did u check ???
:lol:
quatroporte
- Miss_lolly wrote:
- sharfraz wrote:
- Miss_lolly wrote:
- Captain Australia wrote:
In the last few days a bunch of new speed cameras have been installed along Shaikh Zayed Rd, all the way down to the Abu Dhabi border.
Anyone know any more info on them? Is it still speed-business-as-usual, ie 140ks in the 120 zone and you're 'safe'? Also, someone at work said that they don't flash in the daytime like the older ones do. That's bad news because you won't know you've been done for a while.
What's going on? Are they all over Dubai as well?
well i found myself drinving more then 120 & till now didn t recieve any fines :D
even in jumeirah with 90/km so many times & nothing
:D
never expect me to speed... I strictly follow the rules...
5 to 10kms tolerance level....
8)
ohhhh
i m gonna be sick if i didn t :D
I speed alot... my issue is not the fixed radars my problem always with the mobile ones!!!! I hate them...
kingkong
I got a Phd in radar technology & speeding..only after reading this entire thread!!!
sharfraz
- kingkong wrote:
I got a Phd in radar technology & speeding..only after reading this entire thread!!!
start a university dude!!!!
:lol:
Wednesday Jones
Imagine the revenue these cameras will generate!
sharfraz
RTA....the upcoming richest authority...
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kingkong
- Wednesday Jones wrote:
Imagine the revenue these cameras will generate!
:)) yup.The university wil lbe located straight in the middle of SZR
kingkong
[color=#444444]I have a serious doubt that RTA recently issues fines of 500,600, 700 upto 800 AED for no reason.Where is the proof? Just the photo of the number plate is not enough!!!
I doubt seriously....just to generate money, they fine.i got AED 600 fine ..and I never crossed 100..I'm sure it is cheating.2 of my colleagues got the same fine & they too did not speed up...
Also what is the logic behind this 600, 700 800 charges...It was 250 before isn't it?
Now this can be a technical mistake or purposely done by RTA...
I don't know how to prove..
sharfraz
- kingkong wrote:
I have a serious doubt that RTA recently issues fines of 500, 700 upto 800 AED for no reason.Where is the proof? Just the photo of the number plate is not enough!!!
I doubt seriously....just to generate money, they fine.i got AED 600 fine ..and I never crossed 100..I'm sure it is cheating.2 of my colleagues got the same fine & they too did not speed up...
Now this can be a technical mistake or purposely done by RTA...
I don't know how to prove...
dude,you can go for a cop contest...
will that be any worth here?
:?
Wednesday Jones
Someone I work with got fined twice for speeding, she asked for proof, got a photo of a different car - prob something to do with some idiot data inputter at RTA. After much argument they told her to pay the fine then challenge it through Dubai Courts. She didn't really have a choice, and didn't pursue it though the courts, in her opinion far far too much hassle, time wasting and cost.
kingkong
- sharfraz wrote:
- kingkong wrote:
I have a serious doubt that RTA recently issues fines of 500, 700 upto 800 AED for no reason.Where is the proof? Just the photo of the number plate is not enough!!!
I doubt seriously....just to generate money, they fine.i got AED 600 fine ..and I never crossed 100..I'm sure it is cheating.2 of my colleagues got the same fine & they too did not speed up...
Now this can be a technical mistake or purposely done by RTA...
I don't know how to prove...
dude,you can go for a cop contest...
will that be any worth here?
:?
fun aside, can you share some useful and similar experiences of getting fined for no reason? Any of your colleagues experience etc...
sharfraz
Police to install radars every two kilometres ...
here's the link...
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quatroporte
- Wednesday Jones wrote:
Someone I work with got fined twice for speeding, she asked for proof, got a photo of a different car - prob something to do with some idiot data inputter at RTA. After much argument they told her to pay the fine then challenge it through Dubai Courts. She didn't really have a choice, and didn't pursue it though the courts, in her opinion far far too much hassle, time wasting and cost.
strange!!!! because my sister was mistakenly fined for a wrong car too and when found out (using the picture) it was not her car.. the fine was removed!
it could be the stupid lazy person on the counter who asked her to go for the courts instead of helping her!!!!
sharfraz
check this forum dudes
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gtmash
Article on the subject:
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In short:
They flash. Ones that don't are off for now.
They monitor a car from 150m to judge speed. No averaging between cameras.
funkygibbon
just another update on this thread...
driving towards dubai last night i tucked behind a Cayenne doing 145kmh through all those cameras and not one flashed
so i decided to subscribe to the notion that these cameras aren't operational yet, then driving towards abu dhabi this morning i did about 150-160 through the last two cameras going AD-bound, and the last one flashed me.
i'll wait and see if i get a fine or if it is just being tested.
in any case, thought it might be of interest to anyone who regularly uses that road
quatroporte
- funkygibbon wrote:
just another update on this thread...
driving towards dubai last night i tucked behind a Cayenne doing 145kmh through all those cameras and not one flashed
so i decided to subscribe to the notion that these cameras aren't operational yet, then driving towards abu dhabi this morning i did about 150-160 through the last two cameras going AD-bound, and the last one flashed me.
i'll wait and see if i get a fine or if it is just being tested.
in any case, thought it might be of interest to anyone who regularly uses that road
that exact same camera flashed me too :( and it has a bloody strong yellow flash!!!!! :evil:
what is making things worst.... is that not all of them are operational yet... only few selected ones...
quatroporte
now Dubai police says it MAY not flash if there is enough light... which means during broad day light... however, I was flashed during a clear sunny day at 2pm...
Quote:
- "Lieutenant Colonel Saif Muhair Al Mazroui, Acting Director of Dubai Police's Traffic Department, said many new radars did not flash when they caught offenders.
"If there is enough light through which the radar can catch an offender it does not flash. So, motorists should not rely on radars flashing."
but the fact that those Radars may or may-not flash will cause so much troubles... and this is annoying!
Source:
sage & onion
- quatroporte wrote:
now Dubai police says it MAY not flash if there is enough light... which means during broad day light... however, I was flashed during a clear sunny day at 2pm...
Quote:
- "Lieutenant Colonel Saif Muhair Al Mazroui, Acting Director of Dubai Police's Traffic Department, said many new radars did not flash when they caught offenders.
"If there is enough light through which the radar can catch an offender it does not flash. So, motorists should not rely on radars flashing."
but the fact that those Radars may or may-not flash will cause so much troubles... and this is annoying!
Source:
[color=red]They flash[/color] , midday I have seen them going off a couple of times. Best way is to respect the speed limit and then no problem. It is such a pain to be following behind some fool on Emirates Road, speeding upto 160 and then braking heavily down to 100 every couple of km's
quatroporte
- sage & onion wrote:
- quatroporte wrote:
now Dubai police says it MAY not flash if there is enough light... which means during broad day light... however, I was flashed during a clear sunny day at 2pm...
Quote:
- "Lieutenant Colonel Saif Muhair Al Mazroui, Acting Director of Dubai Police's Traffic Department, said many new radars did not flash when they caught offenders.
"If there is enough light through which the radar can catch an offender it does not flash. So, motorists should not rely on radars flashing."
but the fact that those Radars may or may-not flash will cause so much troubles... and this is annoying!
Source:
[color=red]They flash[/color] , midday I have seen them going off a couple of times. Best way is to respect the speed limit and then no problem. It is such a pain to be following behind some fool on Emirates Road, speeding upto 160 and then braking heavily down to 100 every couple of km's
I know... they flashed me in midday too... :evil:
DubaiInformationSite
it's called raising revenues in tough times. it is no secret that dubai is facing some serious issues. so since it cant just print the dirhams, it has resorted to tapping the pockets of the people it does not tax!!!
The Dubai Information Site
sage & onion
- DubaiInformationSite wrote:
it's called raising revenues in tough times. it is no secret that dubai is facing some serious issues. so since it cant just print the dirhams, it has resorted to tapping the pockets of the people it does not tax!!!
The Dubai Information Site
This is absolute nonsense, the reason for the dramatic increase in cameras is simply to try and reduce the traffic accidents caused by high speed.
sharfraz
- sage & onion wrote:
- DubaiInformationSite wrote:
it's called raising revenues in tough times. it is no secret that dubai is facing some serious issues. so since it cant just print the dirhams, it has resorted to tapping the pockets of the people it does not tax!!!
The Dubai Information Site
This is absolute nonsense, the reason for the dramatic increase in cameras is simply to try and reduce the traffic accidents caused by high speed.
aye..thats right!!!!
stick to the speed limits dudes!!!!!
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Speedhump
The ones with orange sensors don't flash, the occasional ones between them with a clear area (flash unit?) do flash, I've seen several go off (not at me, nyah..). I guess the oranges one monitor your speed only and send the information to the ones that flash and capture you.
I think the driving has been better since their introduction, certainly on Business Bay Bridge and Rabat Street/Tripoli Street, so I agree they are working as a safety measure and not as a cash cow, at least while people don't understand and are scared of them. Thank God!!