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United Hope UAE: Feminism Run Amuck


MRWOODS All too often women are innocent victims of what can rightfully be described as systematic abuse, oppression and neglect, in addition to the feeling of utter desperation in trying to seek help in a male dominated society. As such, there is, and will always be, a pressing need for private organizations to stand up for those without defense and to advocate for the rights of women in the society. But what happens when these private agencies become so powerful that they become themselves the administrators, deciders and executors of the law. Such is the case with Ms. Sharla Musabih, her group United Hope, and her network of shelters for women in the UAE. The ostensible aim of her organization is to thwart human trafficking and to counter any domestic abuse that may take place in the UAE. To that end, her efforts should be praised, commended and assisted by the local government and the community at large. The problem arises when she interferes with family disputes and usurps the local laws based upon her own since of what is fair and proper. Such was the case last Thursday. Recently, I exercised my basic right as a human being to divorce my wife. My wife found in Ms. Sharla Musabih and her activist organization United Hope, a potent tool to exact her revenge upon me. Without ever meeting me, speaking with the children, advising counseling, or going through the local legal channels for divorce in Dubai, she ruled based upon her conversation with my ex wife that I was an abusive parent. She then executed her judgment, while I was away at work, by sending her local aid to collect my wife and children, hiding them in a local ‘shelter.’ So two young children, ages four and seven, were taken from their school, home, and father without any consultation, arbitration, or even conversation with their father! The local police were very helpful and blocked their passports, thus preventing them from traveling. It was from them that I learned this Ms. Sharla Musabih has been sent back to America for causing other such problem between families. Since Thursday, I have emailed her repeatedly seeking a return of my children, but she refuses, insisting that they are now safe from me. When I conveyed to her what I learned from the local police she replied: ‘These are very simple police you a communicating with! I certainly did not get kicked out of the country! In fact I am coordinating with the UAE Gov. to set up a system & recognize my new non profit to enhance the system on behalf of victims! We are in contact with the Minister Dr Anwar Gargash & the Ambassador H.E Yousuf Al Otaiba for our up coming project! It is not uncommon for such rumours to fly about this type of work, as it is a new concept, however it is very Islamic to protect women & children or even provide a time out! I am a UAE national & the UAE Gov. has worked with respect & honor with me, I am featured on the Federal Gov. Website!’ It is organizations like United Hope that truly hamper the cause of women’s advocacy in the Muslim world and stunt the growth of local agencies to protect women. Rather than working with local officials and advising patience and restraint, they become filled with a warped since of self righteousness, taking the law into their own hands. This breeds mistrust in the hearts of government officials who truly wish to defend the rights of women, but fear, as in my case, that the oppressed quickly become the oppressor. A S Woods May 9, 2009
uaekid kanelli & chocoholic might help you. Bora Bora I am so sorry to hear of your situation. I highly doubt she has the support of those that she claims to have. She became a very controversial figure over a year ago when stories came out about her and witnesses came forward. I don't think things went as far as they could have due to her being married to a local. Her history can be found on the internet. She has absolutely no right to interfere and act as Judge and Jury in family matters and enforce what she sees fit for children. I wish you the very best of luck. kanelli If your wife hasn't filed domestic abuse charges with the police it certainly looks bad for her to be hiding out with the kids at the shelter. I'm not sure why you appear to be blaming this Ms. Sharla Musabih though, since it is your wife who chose to leave with the children and she is the one who can return any time with them. I doubt that Ms. Musabih is holding them prisoner there. There is a need for shelters for abused women and children in the UAE, so I'd hate to see people discouraging their creation or maintenance. uaekid
true kanelli, but why did you single UAE ? Bora Bora
A shelter was established by Shk. Mo over a year ago. It was at that time that the stories of Sharla were starting to surface. There is a definite need for such shelters but should not be run on the whim of one individual. Shelters generally have professionals on hand to help those being sheltered and have working relationships with the authorities, but that was not the case with Sharla.
If what Mr Woods said is fact, Sharla does not have the authority nor the power to have children removed by someone who represents her. I was shocked to see that the school turned the children over to a "PRO". I guess they do not have authorization cards on file as to who can remove a child from school. Bora Bora I can't help to notice that when Marnie Pierce was having her kids ripped away from her many people had a lot to say on the matter. Here is a Dad, who by the virtue of a woman who has no legal jurisdication, who got involved with the EX-WIFE in an attempt to get the children out of the country without the father's knowledge, is being denied his parental rights. These rights were fought by and recognized for men who were being denied the right to be involved in their childrens lives. dresden People please remember the most important thing, THERE ARE ALWAYS THREE SIDES TO EVERY STORY! What he said, she said and the TRUTH!! That applies to the original poster's situation as well.
Mr. Woods, while I feel sorry for your situation , I cannot help but remind myself that there is no 'unbiased' evidence to support your "I'm innocent in all of this/I'm being wronged" claim.
I hope things work out for the best. Please keep us updated on any new developments. kanelli uaekid, once again you are being a "kid". This is Dubai forums and the original poster is talking about the shelter in Dubai. The UAE lacks the same kind of protection facilities for women and children than are found in quite many countries in the world. I hope you can deal with that fact and it doesn't hurt your Emirati ego too much. I haven't said at all that this is a fair situation, and I don't think it is right for mothers to keep their children away from fathers in a tit for tat about divorce. All I said was that the blame rests firmly with the wife who is the one who has run away to the shelter with her kids. Ms. Musabih has no authority to hold them there, is merely serving as an accomplice (which is not appropriate if there has been no abuse!) Mr Woods needs to talk to his wife and sort this issue out. I've never heard of a shelter created by Sheikh Mo, and would love to hear more about it. Is it staffed by trained social workers and does it have legal support of the police and courts? The only shelter I heard of was the one run by Ms. Musabih, which I thought was already closed down due to money issues. I remember reading a couple of sets of articles on Ms. Musabih - one that claimed she was a terrible person, and another that said it was a smear campaign by people who don't support the fact that she runs a shelter for women and children. I have no idea who is correct. Bora Bora Sharla started off sheltering women who were being abused and victims of of human trafficking. All well and good and commendable. But getting involved with a woman who wants to run with the children is a different matter and she should remove herself from such situations. Remember - its an EX-WIFE, which would indicate that in all probability Mr Woods and the ex did not live together. This is the shelter.

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uaekid
you are mistaken again here or you haven't thought of carefully !! When you said there should be shelters in the UAE, did it cross your mind what will come after she seeks a shelter as a foreigner being on her husband visa! I'm speaking in general here. Now, my point is that "shelters" are for a last resort solution for such problems. There are courts and social police and advisers that deal with such cases, I hope you know that.
My point again is what will a shelter be of any use for a foreigner in the UAE? Nothing but a temporary solution until she gets deported, right? I mean if she is not working.
regarding locals, the courts are doing a good job in such abuse and recently are being serious about it in protecting women and most women are happy with the judges since they judge most of the time for the wives favor and force the abusing father to housing and child support.
so my Emirati ego is just saying think twice and understand the complex of such issues and the diff circumstances of cases like this one before you jump to a fraction of a sec conclusion that there should be shelters in the UAE. rudeboy Mr Woods, Women try to help other women. sorry to hear what happened. Is there no way you can report her to the interpol or something for kidnapping your kids? I mean your kids were taken from you against your wishes and probably from your kids wishes too. You can try with kidnapping charges and if it works your way you might be in luck. 2ndly the media is very good. if she is in USA, try approaching CNN and say how a muslim woman hid your wife and children from you. CNN would certainly make a huge fuss about it in USA. kanelli
You seriously lack brain cells uaekid. I think I understand the issues of domestic violence quite well and I have lived in your country and read the newspapers there since 2005, so I've seen both positive and negative stories about action and inaction in cases of domestic violence. There ABSOLUTELY needs to be shelters in the UAE, just like there needs to be and are in most other countries in the world. What would your suggestion be, that women and children turn up at police stations with their suitcases and ask to be housed in cells so that they don't have to stay in the house and risk being beaten or killed by their abuser? Should they wait and see if they survive the next attack, and then call the police to have the abuser arrested and hope that they keep him in the cell? What if they don't survive the attack? What if the police set him free? Stop being so naive! uaekid that's your problem kanelli, you never look at the big picture and always refer to the 1st thing that pops up to your powerful brain. I guess that's why you failed to have a good decent life. good luck kanelli
Yet another useless post from you kid. Speedhump "I exercised my basic right as a human being to divorce my wife. " why? It's very easy for a man to kick his wife out here I think. This man makes no explanation of his reasons or motives, which is worrying as he is obviously quite eloquent. He only boasts 'I am featured on the Federal Gov. Website!' which doesn't mean he is a good husband or parent. There is too little of this story for people to be making assumptions that either party is right or wrong, as dresden said above. A woman in this country gets very little chance to keep her children after divorce no matter what the circumstances. Courts almost entirely rule in favour of the father. Therefore I can understand that she wanted to leave the country immediately, without going through any legal process. We have no knowledge of who was right or wrong in this divorce. Bora Bora
SH: The quote "I am featured on the Federal Gov. Website" - he was quoting what Sharla said.
I tend to think he is an expat. What I read is that they were divorced but the children remained in the mothers custody. Granted no facts are noted, what remains is that the mother wanted to leave the country, taking the children away from the father. I think everyone has the right to divorce, regardless of the circumstances. uaekid
well actually speedhumps, they give them up bcz they wana go on with their lives !! other wise it depends on the circumstances at hand ,so if he is in favor of the husband it only bcz they got an approve that she can't handle them to a cretin age.
I'll try to get statistics. Speedhump A friend of mine was involved in a situation here and I know the courts usually give the children to the father no matter what the mother's wishes. Edit: spelling errors on mobile phone post!
Bora Bora
Well you must be reading a version of the Koran far different from the one I know, along with many other people. uaekid
I'm abusing my brother in court LOOL well speedhumps you are better than judging based on 1 friend story !!
Basically it goes like this and this is in normal cases , kids under 12 goes to the mom and above to the father. Exceptions are made ONLY on both parties agreement .then comes health conditions,drugs or alcohol use,the time every party have to spend with the kids an so on speed humps.
I'm still waiting for the numbers. uaekid Bora Bora. I'm not sure what you mean !! to be honest I don't read much. could you explain please. Speedhump
Well she took legal opinion here on the whole matter so it's not her word at all, but a real live attorney's opinion! And the kid involved was under 2 years old.
But I hear what you say, maybe she got bad advice. She has been advised not to come back here as the father (her ex husband) may re-open a case and take the child even after 2-3 years.
She is the stable one and the father is quite unstable (actually medicated) but still she was advised not to return to UAE as the courts are anti-mother. Your information definitely goes against what the attorney told her!
:) Bora Bora
No need to explain kid. You got my point.
Under Sharia custody is very clear. Speedhump For interest, I have been reading: Islamic perspective on child custody after divorce: It says here that if a woman does not remarry she may have custody until they reach a certain age, when they 'may' simply be taken away from her and given to the father. (there is an illustrative table on this page). ++ And a book which I have read and always refer back to, 'The Hidden Face of Eve' by Nawal El Saadawi (Egyptian): 'The girl over the age of nine is obliged to live with her father whether she likes it ot not. The boy at age seven can choose.' ++ Another article (this one about Saudi), this one is a personal opinion blog: / Divorce in Saudi Arabia: Who Gets Custody? Posted on May 15, 2008 by American Bedu In spite of all efforts to preserve the sanctity of marriage, divorce continues to rise in the Kingdom whether with a Saudi or non-Saudi spouse. In the Kingdom, divorce and custody of children is based on the Islamic or Shariah law. Any child born with a Saudi father is viewed as a Saudi citizen and naturally a muslim. When an American woman marries a Saudi man and lives in the Kingdom, Islamic/Shariah law prevails. The US embassy does not intervene in child custody disputes between Americans and Saudis. In the case of a divorce, if an American woman is married to a Saudi, she likely loses her sponsor (her husband) and therefore required to leave the Kingdom. Because under Islamic law the (Saudi) children are awarded to the father so in many cases the American woman must leave the Kingdom without her children. Typically under Shariah law, a mother (muslim or non-muslim) in the Kingdom can maintain custody of her male children until the age of nine and maintain custody of female children until the age of seven after which custody is reverted to the father. If a divorced mother continues to have custody beyond those ages may depend on the father and the relationship between the divorced couple. And naturally the Saudi courts wish to have any child of divorced parents in the Kingdom continue to be raised in an Islamic environment. +++ kanelli If this couple is an expat couple from country x or two separate countries, they should agree to move back and divorce and settle matters in the home country or one of the home countries. If the men are favoured for custody here or the man can play dirty and have his wife arrested for adultery to obtain custody (like what Ihab El Labban did to Marnie Pearce), then no wonder some women will start to flee with the kids when everything occurs in the UAE instead of on home country soil. People should spare themselves international custody battles. Speedhump kanelli the words 'divorce' and 'agree' don't often manage to get together in the same sentence! Red Chief
Ms. Kanelli it happens everywhere, especially in the EU even in uglier way. Why do you UAE bash each time with poor Brit Marnie Pearce?
Of course in her home country (UK) she would have ALL RIGHTS but Egyptian Ihab El Labban would have NOTHING.
Last case around kidnapping of own daughter between Frenchman Laurent Dubois and Russian woman Elena Kalinina confirmed this statement.
Ms. Kanelli, I hope you lie yourself. Before judging look at the mirror. Red Chief double post kanelli
Red chief, this is Dubai Forums and we are talking about a UAE shelter, UAE laws, and actual case from the UAE. Why you think I am UAE bashing is beyond me. There are all kinds of screwed up international custody battles we could talk about, but again, the original poster is talking about his situation in DUBAI, UAE. I'm on topic.
The rest is just personal attack and not worth commenting on. kanelli And p.s. Red Chief, how can you say that Ihab El Labban would have no rights to custody of his kids if they were having a legal battle in the UK? How do you know that? There are plenty of mixed nationality couples residing in the the UK having custody battles, but luckily there is a law that is meant for everyone, despite their gender, religion or nationality. uaekid double posted... uaekid I believe every divorce case is unique by it self and and almost never 2 are identical . judges all over the world judge based on every case circumstances and each one statues .lets leave it to that. Problem in the UAE is that it is the mix of many nationalities and the couples being expats ,now this is a problem by it self bcz it will mean one of the parents wont be able to see his/her kids when they leave the country and then the dispute of what religion ,language and customs the kids should adapt to, it's really not an easy call for judges any where. and that’s why they take so long to make that call. But I like that law in the USA ,I think it is called pre agreement or something where the couples agrees on so many things before getting married ,I think it saves lots of trouble in the case of divorcing. and I don't think taking the problem outside the UAE will do any good for the fact of there is no clear written laws in those cases and if there are any ,they will be easy to overpass ! example :lets say it is the law that the father gets the custody but if he is an alcoholic, drugs user ,proven aggressive or jobless then he is automatically incapable of taking care of the kids. it is really simple. kanelli Speaking as a person married to someone from another nationality and living in a 3rd country, if the marriage was to break down it would be very awkward to do the proceedings here. What happens if one person's work status changes making it difficult for them to remain in the country? What do you do in the case of custody or visitation with the children? It is much better for the couple to move to one person or the other's home country where they are always able to reside legally and find work while also allowing both parents access to the kids. It is hard enough if one person can never return to their home country without leaving their children behind. It isn't easy if you have language, residency and employment issues. Red Chief
It's only WORDS. There are a lot of opposite cases, because judges believe that
1) life for kids in the first world would be better than in the third one.
2) Goddam, the kids are British citizens . No, they are not allowed to live in Egypt. They are our citizens! (singing) Rule Britain!
3) If even everything as fair as Ms. Kanelli desires and the British court, the most unbiased one in the World, agreed for visiting kids by father, how do you think he would realise that right?
Egyptian and other 3d class nationalities need a visa to visit own cildren, sorry UK. Who will arrange the visa for the father? The former wife or the judge? Bora Bora
The "expert" has once again shown his full blown knowledge on how things work. Red Chief BB, Let us discuss point, not persons. Probably your well upbringing and poor childhood in Br@@@ doesn't allow you to follow some rules but at least try. We are not there. Speedhump
Brazil? Bora Bora
You say discuss point, not persons. Well what points are you making when you discuss me. The idiot insists I am from the Bronx, New York.
Let's see, I have a well upbringing yet a poor childhood?
And about rules, what rules are you referring to? Those that you think people should abide by, but don't apply to you?
Look dipshit, here's a few points I would like to make. I saw your kind go through garbage bins in the States to furnish homes, put clothes on their backs and take thrown away food out of a bin for dinner, all of which is probably acceptable and a way of life in the Motherland. Your kind would go from apartment to apartment with a gallon bottle of wood alcohol and probably dream about the Motherland until they passed out. I also watched your kind swindle every government agency in the States, including Jewish foundations.
If life is so good in the Motherland then why did the Russians leave and continue to do so? You don't see Americans or other Westerners getting in line trying to get into Russia do you? Red Chief Bored Bora, You mixed me up with some another person. I've NEVER been to the US and I'm not going to visit. I'm not waiting for myself anything new there. I'm very happy living in Moscow where I was born. Your billingsgate language bears a strong resemblance to the some speeches rather from "NYPD blues" than "The gossip girl". Bora Bora
I guess US they let you in won't. Sory hear you blu. No me not from Billingsgate. kanelli Red Chief is a complete troll and should be ignored. Every post resorts to insults to people and somehow drags in his hate for anything British. I don't take anything he has to say seriously, and I am tired of him throwing so many threads off track. Red Chief Ms. Kanelli, I don't speak about British only. British court was only example of appropriate attitude because at that time we were talking about international marriage between Egyptian man and British woman. Actually I know a few cases about serial "kidnapping" of own children by parents that happened with Russian women and their Western spouses (from France, Finland... I don't know the cases on British soil though). The case I wrote in the first post is about Russian woman who was stopped in Hungary on the border with Russia for KIDNAPPING own child and is waiting for extradition to FRANCE (the home of her spouse) to be sentenced for 15 years. Of course it doesn't matter that a year ago the Frenchman had kidnapped the kid from Moscow but he had been more luckier and delivered him to Paris. By the way there were contradicting decision in Russian and French courts but Hungary is the member of EU and French decision looks more valid for them. Rather dirty stuff, isn't it Kanelli. I know you love it. A few days ago aged but still agile Finn Saomen crossed the border between Russia and Finland with his kid travelling in the boot (trunk) of a car of Finnish embassy, although there is a verdict of Russian court about living the kid with mother but there is no any decision of Finnish one. According to above and many other cases I understand that runaway of Western womem with children is the easiest way to solve all their problems because they can easily have desirable decision in the home courts. It's similar to those thieves who drooped their luxury cars in the airport having one-way ticket in their pockets. Kanelli, stop repeating your mantra about trolls if there isn't enough room in your small brain for something real but bitter. Speedhump
I don't think it's fair to compare a mother (or father) running to another country with their kids, to the people leaving Dubai without paying their car loans or other debts. The first should usually be done out of love for their children and the fear of separation from them, the second is purely financial criminal action to avoid debt and imprisonment (actually quite sensible in fact). While the first is also illegal I really think that I feel sympathetic to people that feel the need to do it. It still doesnt make it right, however. It's a confusing subject and I guess we should consider also that it may be the party who is running away who was the party at fault in a relationship breakdown, and who may even not be the best parent (regardless of their gender). Red Chief I compared the cases with cars and cases with the kids only to show that both of them are the way to solve the situation in desirable way (avoid responsibility or have children). I tried to show in my previous post that spouses after divorce are not criminals. So there is no strict line who deserves an upbringing of their children. That's why French/Finnish/British courts could easiely make and make a little bit biased desision espesialy if the kids are French/Finnish/British citizens. Speedhump Yes there is no strict line. I agree that it's often a confusing situation, emotional but also with a legal side to be ruled on. There is a quite high profile pressure group in the UK, Fathers-4-Justice which tries to fight for fathers to get better deals from UK courts. I'm sure there must be others in other countries. However it still is plain that if a woman is certain under Sharia Law that she will lose custody of her children in a Muslim country, she will try to leave, just as Turkish (and other) Muslim fathers in the UK have been well reported in UK newspapers leaving their British wives and fleeing to Turkey or other Muslim countries with the chlidren. I even have known people in two cases personally (one leaving UK, one leaving Germany). So it cuts both ways. kanelli
More personal attacks.
Seriously, what is wrong with any of my posts in this thread? Why on earth do you think you can speak to me this way with the way I have dealt with this topic?
I gave the opinion that both parents should have access to their children, so that is why they should move to one of their home countries and work out the divorce and custody settlement there. Being in a 3rd country with separate laws from the nationalities of the parents and children absolutely complicates things! However, you have a huge issue with me and want to be insulting to me based on such comments? Who has the small brain?
It is clear that you constantly need someone to harass on this forum, and now that you are giving Speedhump a break, your attention turns to me.
Either debate the actual topic and stop insulting other posters, or you can just %$^% off.
Have a nice day! :D Speedhump I have to agree that the nastiness started when he said 'Ms. Kanelli, I hope you lie yourself. Before judging look at the mirror.' What he meant by it I have no idea though? Red Chief
Thank you for yr. inf. It confirms that situation in the UK is quite similar with Russia. It means that there is some benefit for women to have custody for own children. Strange but I agreed with such situation if the woman is a decent (not necessary wealthy) member of society in spite of I married and have a child.
It means that cases I wrote about is even more horrible as soon as in "educated" France (not "wild" Turkey) mother will go to jail for 15 years for kidnapping own child only due to 3 years girl is French citizen (she also has Russian citizenship by the way).
Kanelli, look at the mirror and don't call other people as trolls if their opinions are not the same as yours. Got my point? portland :happy1: Speedhump
I'm really not sure the mother is always the best choice. If a kid has to have a single parent, many men are wonderful fathers and also may earn more money. Also kids that grow up without a strong male role model may turn delinquent far more easily?
The more that we talk, the more that it seems the Islamic model of young children needing a mother but older children (especially boys) needing a father figure is partially based on real life needs. How complicated it is.
BUT, I think that the law can't provide all the answers though, and codifying the matter into simplistic rules (at age 7, THIS child goes to THAT parent) cannot be the answer at all. :( kanelli Red Chief, again, what is so controversial about my opinion that both parents are entitled to see their children and parents should ensure that that happens, not engaging in international custody battles? I'm really starting to think all those bottles of vodka have caused serious damage to your brain. Please, I won't stop you from getting back to your shot glass, nor finding another more willing target on this forum to harass. Nazdarovya! Kipis! Cheers! Red Chief Kanelli, look at the mirror and don't call other people as trolls if their opinions are not the same as yours. Got my point? DF has been a little bit devastated for a few months due to mass exodus of expats from Dubai. So there are not so many Western supporters and spectators of your rant "don't feed the troll" as before. Try to play the game yourself. :D kanelli I don't have a problem with your opinion not matching mine about the topic of discussion. I have a problem with you being a disrespectful asshole to me with your posts. You are a troll because you come here to personally harass and insult forum posters across various threads. Your conduct speaks for itself. Now seriously, move along to your next target, and don't forget your little troll boots (and vodka bottle!). Red Chief Oh, boy... How chaotic you are! It's Ok that you didn't even read my argumentation but you called me "troll" for hating of all British :shock: and insulting Ms. Bora (not you), who had provocated me first in this thread. I must say that I hate such kind of a team work (but you like it). So probably a little bit overreacted. kanelli So, anyone have opinions, in light of the UAE custody laws, on whether it is right or wrong for a father or mother to leave the UAE with their child/children when a marriage breaks down (and both parents are from another or other countries)? Speedhump
Yes. if it's a matter of right and wrong, hence morality, then people should do whatever they feel is best for their children (NOT for themselves!). If it means giving up their rights because they feel the other parent is better suited to looking after children then fine. On the other hand if it means breaking the law and running then they should do that, if they have real conviction that the kids' interests will be best served. I don't think that the legal system here is flexible or open enough to always deal with these issues (but then the same can be said for other countries also, even in the West as we have discussed above).
Example: if you have a will drawn in the UK (for example) and you are both expats it can be submitted to the courts here and its requirements applied. So why can't some laws from other countries be applied here in certain circumstances, if both parties agree to it (whether in advance or after the event). That is certainly what UK Muslims are pressing for in the UK; that they can have some court judgements made in accordance with Sharia Law, not UK law, if both parties agree. Red Chief
Certificates of marriage or divorce between Russian citizen and foreigner issued in the third country don't have legal effect in Russia. There is no way to legalize them for Russia.
So if I were married to non-UAE foreigner I would have to go to Russia or a country of my wife for divorce. So it isn't your best wish but the law for all Russians.
Actually there are no international (but only national) laws for regulating such situation. The situation resolves according to bilateral agreement between appropriate countries which doesn't exist sometimes.
So Western parent could have on hands a decision of a court from "wild" Russia, Turkey or Ivory Coast and then one or another way flies away with kids and have another decision from less "biased" court in home country. It's the way to serial kidnapping and jail. kanelli Well, I don't know if they will feel much pressure to change the laws to suit any expats divorcing and seeking custody here. In my view, one parent or the other fleeing the UAE with the kids may not be to punish the other parent, but to force the proceedings to be done in the home country, not a foreign country. It may be inconvenient because it forces the other parent to leave the UAE and come to the home country to fight for custody or joint custody of the kids. From a woman's perspective, especially if she came to the UAE sponsored by the husband for his work contract, she is likely trying to get herself on good footing career and money-wise so that she can be in a better position after divorcing and sorting out custody. The same can be said if it is a case of the father running with the kids to his home country for the same reasons. You can hardly blame a parent for wanting to put themselves in the best position after a divorce/custody agreement. To try to make an ex-wife/ex-husband stay in a third foreign country or leave without the kids because the custody laws favour them in that country is not fair. Red Chief I didn't blame anybody. I told you how the system actually works in many cases. At my point of view the runaways with kids has nothing in common with legal system in the UAE. It is only way of resolving the problem in own benefit, the way the Westerners are familiar with. kanelli Actually, no specific nationalities have been mentioned here at all, and I don't think it matters about Western or non-Western. portland Honestly NGO's are good but at times they are over doing in for media exposure purposes. Speedhump
I almost replied in the same way, then I thought RC probably meant that westerners will just go home because they feel they know their own system more and can guess any legal outcome better (in their favour of course). Same applies to Muslims fleeing back East from the West with kids, so it's all the same. Red Chief
Speedy, thank you very much for this translation into the native English language from the Second one, but I meant exactly what I wrote. (it's not a personal attack, at least I am not attacking you).
Probably due to my poor English I didn't understand the head topic well but I guess It was about an illegal escape with kids instead of legal case and the shelter as an instrument for that. I hope that the native speakers will correct me. Speedhump No problems here. Red Chief
Once again, Kanelli, it wouldn't be a matter if you didn't connect Marnie Pearce to the topic. I cannot see any connection between her case and the one in the main topic. Bora Bora
Oh my, someone woke up with a bad hanger. Give it a few more hours and you will be on track again - in your drunken stupor, which is your usual state of mind. kanelli RC is a lost cause. He seems more pissed at Marnie Pearce than her own ex-husband. :lol: Red Chief
Wow! It sounds like your personal experience. Did you move from New York to Dubai to get rid of delirium tremens, hoping for dearness of booze here? Unfortunately mental degradation has gone too far and visions are not leaving you. Why didn't you consult to a specialist of some mental institution in the Mainland? They could've healed you on the earlier stage. Speedhump Chief your signature line makes me laugh, well done. Typical dark Russian humour :) Bora Bora
I don't know what tremens are and would not know what I would be hoping for if I was hoping for dearness of booze. Or are you just slurring your words?
And your signature. Congratulations I didn't know you advanced to second grade. It will be nice to watch your advancement. Red Chief
:pottytrain5: Red Chief
Thank you, Speedy. It's a big pleasure if we can reach understanding. Unfortunately I don't have a big progress in Br@@@ language and some people don't understand me. It should sound like nigga brazza mazza fukka. Unfortunately you can't help me. I can't find any student's book as well. RobbyG
thats my Muslimbangladeshi 'statement'.
Be original will ya :lol: Red Chief How can you learn that Bora Bora is Muslimbangladeshi? I don't think so. :D Bora Bora
You know that's beyond his abilities. RobbyG
True, so true :lol: Red Chief Rob, I'm glad that you found a job. Boring DF is definitely not a decent place for young and ambitious guy like you. Congrats. :D :D :D RobbyG
Focus more Miss Vodka.
I haven't been around much lately. Read others vodkabreath :lol: Red Chief You haven't found?



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