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Underworled and Overpaid Locals


uaebadoo
Tell me which school put "good" or "excellent" on locals report cards, I chalange u to give me the name of any school, and we are surviving in the real world , look at our country which is less than 40 years old and has achieved what other countries did not and will not achieve in 400 years, all what u see in our country was not a favior from expats or any other forigner, our great leaders are the one who planed,hired and paid who ever participate to this boom in our country. and we appreciate who ever was part of this success but dont foget our grand parents in the 50s no one came to their country or did them a favior because at that time they were poor, their food was only water and dates. If dont like this country u can go back to where u come from.
uaebadoo Not all local secretries get 19,000 Aed for sure, some of us get 2000 Aed A month from social aid, Some work as bus driver and get less than 3k, but why she should not get 19k just because she is a loal!!!, some expat get 250k a month+bonus+benifits+++++ and i would say why not if they are qualified. Also if u r a forigner what is the currency euavilance to the Dirhams in ur country,life became expensive in UAE compared to many other countries. 2k Aed might be the equivalent of 20k in some other countries arjun7ue A local lady (fresh graduate) just joined our firm as a secretary. What does she do - pretty nothing much the whole day - yakking on the phone, browsing net, english is pathetic, can hardly speak on the phone and take messages. Her salary - A staggering Dhs. 19,000. How many of us after years of experience and well qualified fight for pay packages over 10k???? Pathetic here isnt it? Overworked and underpaid; "underworked" and overpaid! Big difference! HP I think they are trying to encourage their own nationals to come and learn something . was she cute ? :oops: Jeevan Arjun, its their country and they will do what they find fit for the local population. IF our home countries had the same policy none of us would have been here to earn a few more bucks. I guess its upto us, if it hurts our ego and self esteem, we are free to leave , but-- compare it to the earnings and lifestyle back home, and you will see at least financially you are better off than home. Tomorrow if i get an better opportunity back home i will definately head off( which is about to happen) :) cheers, J Concord Arjun7ue, Unforntunately (or forunately) that's what happens when someone else own's the country. You should do like Dr. D (of this forum did) he bought a country: Chad. I don't think he pays secretaries nearly as much! gtmash Indian folks devalue themselves to the point of taking Dhs 2k for engineering jobs. I'm from the same part of the world. Raise your standards, people! Western and local folks get more because they ask for nothing less. Jeevan
second that to a certain extent. stand your ground if you know you have the qualifications and experince to demand the money. asc_26 Our local staff don't receive that much. They feel devalued as well by not delegating work to them (local), they feel like chess pawn or figurine in the office as if they're not part of company. :lol: ^ian^
And you laugh?

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jabbajabba This would annoy me as well, but it's how Dubai runs. I work for a UK / US firm (400 employees). The founders are Indian and the workers are a mix from all over the globe. We get paid on according experience and skill. Someone could be from timbuktoo yet be more experienced then myself and will be on more money and so they should be. But one point that comes to mind, would we complain if the shoe was on the other foot and we got a big salary for being a national - i think a marjority would happily accept. English Girlie My attitude is to: look at yourself only! If you feel that you are paid well for your role, what difference does it make what everybody else is getting! Decide what your value is ang go wherever you have to to achieve this value! Decide the quality of life you want and do whatever it takes to achieve that. Go back to college, change company, country! Wouldn't suggest sleeping with the boss though! Always ends in tears and never comes to anything good! :evil: MAC
specially if you and your boss are male. English Girlie Ohhhh....... I'll watch! :lol: English Girlie Just kidding never really into the man/man thing! :shock: gtmash
Illegal too. Male/female illegal too. Female/female = undefined in the law books.
Anyway, there is also this weird trend of filling up the office with people from the boss's/HR manager's nationality. And these compatriot workers still get paid crap if they are all Indian/Filipino/etc. English Girlie Unless Dubai is something special...... this situation happens all over the world, with different nationalities having the upper hand, dependant upon where you are! We all have choices in life and if you don't agree with the philosophies of the company you work for - move company, if it's a country thing - move country! When you are offered a job with a company you have chosen to apply to, it is upto you to negotiate a package that YOU are happy to earn, for the job you are doing! I turned down a job (years ago) here in the UK because I knew the car that they had allocated to me was not a car I would get any fulfilment from, when driving everyday!! I knew it would grate away at me and eventually become a BIG issue. So I stood true to myself and turned the job down. Low and behold three days lated I was phoned to ask what car I would like as part of my package! Now, I know Im not worth a Ferrari as my company car - had to be honest to mysalf and my abilities, but I believed I was of the calibra to have an AMG Merc and that at the time satisfied me! AND you know what I got it!!! STAY TRUE YOURSELF AND F*** what everyone else is upto (in terms of packages)!! Be Happy!! :lol: Concord
Many people have very few choices and many more have no other choice! jabbajabba You have to be privileged in the first place to have those choices.
arjun7ue The point of my article was - salaries and titles should come with experience. You get rewarded for the amount of work you do. If you throw money this way at a fresh graduate - the person does not know the value of it. And it is so obvious from the lifestyle of the locals here. Money is thrown around like anything but not on valuables. They are just spoilt. My first job - I slogged my behind off. And to be honest I was paid peanuts - practically nothing. But I really did feel I earned it. And my buying power was so very less. The temptations of a lavish lifestyle but the limitations of my pocket would bring me to reality. But I did learn the meaning of saving. What I've seen in the locals is no sense of competition. - because they get what they want easily. They dont have to compete for it - almost like babyfed. Put them in other parts of the world - wouldnt last a second. English Girlie
Me too! And my experiences have made me strong, determined at self assured. I sleep easy knowing I am reponsible for myself and what I achieve. I rely on no-one but myself, owe no-one nothing and no-one can let me down!
You should be proud of what you have achieved and what you will achieve.
I don't like the 'silver-spooning' much, if i'm honest. But maybe that's because I haven't ever been spoon fed.
Don't worry about everyone else. Hold your head high, knowing you are responsible for your future!!
Be proud and happy!
x English Girlie Sorry Sunday night.... end of a busy weekend.... I know I tend to get a bit 'Life Coachy' sometimes!! Forgive me if I'm talking dribble! bonk
MAC that kid have ugly knees. KeithL You can bargain hard only if you're a specialist in your field. Normally if you turn down a job, there are a thousand others waiting to take your place This is extremely unfortunate :( chubbyhubby Arjun7ue wrote : The point of my article was - salaries and titles should come with experience. You get rewarded for the amount of work you do. I've a slightly differing view -salaries and titles should come with the value created for the company. Not with experience, seniority, race, nationality etc. Each person's should be compensated according to the he/she creates for the company. arjun7ue
In a way you are agreeing with me. It is the experience and seniority of the individual that creates the value for the company.
I've been with so many companies abroad and seen that mostly it the CVs of the individual that creates the impression to the Client.
Unfortunately in most and I do mean most comapnies here - it is race/nationality. bushra21
you seem to like to generalize a lot... kind of to the point that doesn't really want me to agree with a single thing you have said... scot1870 There are some talented and hardworking locals, problem is they have many hangers on in the rest of the family who milk one person's vision for all it's worth. 2nd generation wealth here is quite lazy, where in to 3rd generation they've just given up completely. firefingers
Will isn't this a one side story ? did you ask your self why they paid her well ? isn't it probably because she is academically more qualified than you ? or you are simply not doing the job assigned to you in a proper official way that satisfy your firm?
And to be more honest ( no heart feeling )but most foreigners are corrupted , that might be another reason why companies are replacing you guys by locals.
on the other hand they don't coast company's visa, health insurance ,accommodations expenses and travel allowances !! firefingers Will isn't this a one side story ? did you ask your self why they paid her well ? isn't it probably because she is academically more qualified than you ? or you are simply not doing the job assigned to you in a proper official way that satisfy your firm? And to be more honest ( no heart feeling )but most foreigners are corrupted , that might be another reason why companies are replacing you guys by locals. on the other hand they don't coast company's visa, health insurance ,accommodations expenses and travel allowances !! ^ian^
Dude, pretty sure the word Wasta was invented around these parts. bushra21 firefingers is somewhat right though. it does cost the company a lot less to hire a local, the lady could have been more qualified for the position and so on and so forth... about most foreigners stealing though....i wouldn't go that far. i know a lot of people that were cheated by some expats in their companies...but, i wouldn't say that most expats are like that. gtmash
You are right on hiring people with the most qualifications, but the lady in question is a secretary. To make 19k a month, she'd need a PhD in secretarism or something. firefingers
well for one thing we need to be clear on what sort of firm is she talking about, Gov or privet ! I know GOV jobs (Abu Dhabi ) pays this amount after the last increase in salaries this year. g00se Gotta agree with some of the comments here. Whether you like to admit it, or not, the playing field aint level. In my experience here, locals expect to be given instant respect without having earned it. The whole "arrogance" thing. They expect to have no responsibility and all the authority. If you pause for a sec and think about that, it's actually quite sad. Eventually, it's pretty easy to see many many companies here with the senior staff having little or no clue about how to do the jobs, but wanting all the kudos. The whole "promote them to the point of incompetency" thing. And don't mention qualifications ! I have it on the very best authority that teachers can only put "good" or "excellent" on locals report cards. That applies if they have not even attended any lectures :roll: :shock: :evil: Unbelievable but true ! How the hell can these people survive in the real world ? They don't ! They are then spoon-fed and presented with senior roles in companies that they have no idea how to run and far less ability to even try. So what about us expats ? Are we just pimping ourselves out to teh highest bidder ? g00se Gotta agree with some of the comments here. Whether you like to admit it, or not, the playing field aint level. In my experience here, locals expect to be given instant respect without having earned it. The whole "arrogance" thing. They expect to have no responsibility and all the authority. If you pause for a sec and think about that, it's actually quite sad. Eventually, it's pretty easy to see many many companies here with the senior staff having little or no clue about how to do the jobs, but wanting all the kudos. The whole "promote them to the point of incompetency" thing. And don't mention qualifications ! I have it on the very best authority that teachers can only put "good" or "excellent" on locals report cards. That applies if they have not even attended any lectures :roll: :shock: :evil: Unbelievable but true ! How the hell can these people survive in the real world ? They don't ! They are then spoon-fed and presented with senior roles in companies that they have no idea how to run and far less ability to even try. So what about us expats ? Are we just pimping ourselves out to teh highest bidder ? bushra21 can i just say that peole jump all over 'locals' when they make those kinds of statements (rude generalizations) about others....but it seems to be the norm for some (expats) to speak that way of us.... kind of a double standard, no? btw goose. i also have it on good authority that many locals work their bums off. some get held back in school because we are held at a higher standard than some, and some do not get hired at certain jobs because the agency holds the same ignorant thoughts that you seem to have about them. yes, there may be some locals whose parents completely spoiled them to the point of incompetence, but there are also many out there who work for a living, study hard and try to break the stereotypical mold... KeithL
Secretaries are generally very well paid in this country Mash. Quite a few people I know earn in excess of 15K per month firefingers
No sir, it just happens that most of the jobs are taken by foreigners, cuz we rather stay home than being slaved over 3000 a month, it's all about the money after all, isn't it?
The only qualifications you guys came up with are the 1000,s faked one you bought yearly from your corrupted countries and schools like you are. Sorry but this is a fact. But finlly you guys got busted and that’s way companies prefers locals, the qualifications your talking about are questionable.
The locals doen not work is just a myth you guys created long time ago to steal our jobs but as you can see your time is up people. firefingers
No sir, it just happens that most of the jobs are taken by foreigners, cuz we rather stay home than being slaved over 3000 a month, it's all about the money after all, isn't it?
The only qualifications you guys came up with are the 1000,s faked one you bought yearly from your corrupted countries and schools like you are. Sorry but this is a fact. But finly you guys got busted and that’s way companies prefers locals, the qualifications your talking about are questionable.
The locals does not work is just a myth you guys created long time ago to steal our jobs but as you can see your time is up people. gtmash
Man, what kind of friends do you have? Many of my Asian friends and some relatives all have engineering backgrounds (degrees from here, Asia, USA, etc), and none of them make much more than 15k, even after 30 years of service in top government positions (DEWA, Etisalat, etc). I have an engineering background too, but I chose not to follow it for this reason alone. Is typing-speed and call-taking valued more nowadays? arjun7ue
Yes you're right she is more qualified than me. I have masters while she has just scraped through basic college.
You're again right - actually I dont do my work in a proper official way that satisfies my firm. I should from now on start spending time on the phone, insult people on the phone, speak poor english, lose potential customers, mess up the accounts, come to work late and play computer games in the office. Probably that should double my salary! :-) gtmash
All that actually should get you a promotion, according to the movie "Office Space." ilyas Hi Guys, I have seen in a largest semi govt firm, local guys are just recptionists and doing nothing not even attending fone calls and earning thousands per month with lots of other benifits. I was surprised to see one of them was having new bmw 745 2007 model. :roll: jabbajabba I think you have to look at the whole picture here. For instance DXB has only really been the busy financial hub that it is today over the past 10 to 15 years. Prior to this it was a small community (compared to other countries) of nationals. Now there is a lot of money around and it's one of the top performers in the GCC. During this time a lot of people have come here for financial reasons and a majority do not plan to reside here permanently. So in light of this I personally think it is good that the wealth of the Emirates is shared with it's own and some privilege has been placed their way (even though that is far from the case when it comes to the real amount of money here and it is also far from the picture of the stereo typed local). Yes there are some locals who are not ambitious or worthy of the job that they do - but there are also a lot of clever, very business savy locals as well. I say all of this as I remember in the UK being student and practically not even having enough money for food sometimes - I kid you not. I lived in a house share where there was damp on the walls and the thing should have been knocked down for health reasons. As a plan to get more money I managed to do some work by buying a car to use for delivering pizzas in the evening. I bought the car itself from a local garage who was owned by a family friend. It was a 1.1 litre, two door rust covered hatchback for about 700DHS. Whilst there I got talking to the garage owner and he told me how on the previous day two albanian refuges had been in and bought a car for 40,000DHS....they paid with a check from the government welfare system. I am about as local as you can get. My parents were born in the UK, grandparents, great grandparents etc etc. When I think about this I kind of think 'good on the UAE for looking after your own first'. As it is often said (and I can't believe I am going to say this) but for a lot of us if we don't like we can leave (apart from some genuine cases who are stuck here in debt without a passport). This is my plan. I feel no attachment to the UAE as I am just a worker. I can't vote, I have no say, I am no more then a guest. For this reason I leave quite soon, along with quite a few other people I have spoken to whom feel the same. benwj There is a good reason why we can't vote in Dubai Jabba. Because if they gave citizenship to the expats and allowed them to vote, the country would end up being a run conglomeration of minorities and lobby groups, who form their own communities/gettos, and become further and further isolated from each other, to the point where about 50 years down the track, the locals get so pissed off that a race riot breaks out and the whole country goes to ****. I feel like I have more rights in Dubai as an expat than in the country where I was born, and if I ever step out of line, I would rightfully expect to be told to leave. In fact, expats should be shouting locals drinks at the bar for being so accomodating. St.Lucifer
Malbaris' were also there..apart from locals.. :D

For sure.. I can vouch for this.. there are some real good, old school business powerhouses..
I've no complaints on locals get paid more.. they should get paid more.. but I should be allowed to become a local.soon. :P gtmash
It's good that you enjoy your high-paying European expat package and all, but keep in mind that not all locals drink. LG no problem for me. ancle will get me not vry gud but sum good emirati papers so i can preetnd to b emarati , easy . i look sum like emarati , im short & skiny. wid fake papers & dishdash will b easy to get much moneys for workng vry little. if dat dont work i will prtnd to b south african or english person just paint my hair yellow and paint my skin red and then shout a lot & drink much alcohol a lot & do vry little work for much much pay . arniegang
I disagree mate, the only difference in the UK is that we are not allowed due to Emp Law and the PC Brigade to advertise as such.
And....... even so a lot of jobs adverts are there because its equal opportunities. At interview however, internal and favoured candidates always win the day.
It is a fact that the GMC guideline for employment when a UK doctor applies for a hospital post against a equally qualified Foreign Doctor, the Trust MUST appoint the UK Trained Doctor.
In DXB its open, in the UK its shhhhhhhhhhhh. Rosbif71
19k is still a hell of a lot for an unqualified secretary! and an expat getting 250k will be highly qualified and very experience in a professional job. not a secretary! The Major
Oh Please! arniegang
You seem a trite bitter and twisted Rosbif, maybe the UAE isn't for you.
Here in Blghty and espin Gov't, local Gov't and large Corp Industry there is this thing called "jobs for the boys". Its no different to a UAE local being given preferential treatment.
I bet if it was you, you would not be complaining, but sadly it wasnt you and she probably earns more than you - such a shame.
Fair play on her i say
:P :P jabbajabba
To be fair though 'jobs for the boys' or what school tie you had only really applies to a small fraction of law firms and stock brokers. Not main stream public services such as telecoms, water & electric.
Never once have looked though the evening standard for a job and seen 'locals only' - they would have a tribunal on there as5 before you could say 'tally ho!'. bushra21 true, but that happens everywhere arnie not just in the UK. it's just like you said, the UAE is just open about it whereas places like the UK and US are bound by law to not be... g00se At the end of the day, I have no problem at all with massive salaries AS LONG AS THE PERSON CAN DO THE DAMN job ! Sitting around, drinking tea, smoking endless fags, playing tetris, texting mates and being as lazy as possible is NOT professional in ANY culture !!
In my experience here, local secretaries who have been hired [coz the Powers That Be have dicatetd it] have been useless. One kept rolling in an hour-ish late for three days. On the fourth day, she complained to the Director that she was "tired" and wanted to go home at 1pm [he refused]. The next day, she quit. The most galling thing was that she sat next to a Filipina who was on almost A HALF her salary and who worked tirelessly, with a smile and real energy. I for one, was glad when this woman left. Unfortunately, her [again local] replacement refused to do so-called menial tasks, was forever on her mobile and left after two weeks !
I'm CERTAIN that this is NOT representative of the local UAE workforce. But in my experience, what I have seen is unworthy of the term "professional". general16
Agree general16
Agree also. firefingers
HP, I thought you are from pakistan man !! the only thing you guys learned is truck driving , now you don't expect the wealthy to do so ! do you ? LOOOOOOOOOL
and for all of you idiots, there are locals graduates by hundreds who can not find jobs bcz of your sorry as*es taking those jobs, I would advice you guys to be quit about it befor the GOV notes and start kicking your as*es out to your countries and ones again going back to your dark ages life style LOOOOL chinnu I am sure if all of the expats are leaving this country..that surely means all mnc's are moving there business from this place.. So many big companies are coming to dubai just because they can find people from different nationalities here... not because " there are locals graduates by hundreds "(who cant even speak properly). firefingers
ohhhh so sad of you thinking that is the reason why all those companies are here , it is really sad. they could've been in your country long time ago and not wait for your sorry as* to come here to save time, wouldn't they dummy ?
it is the other way around, you guys are here bcz of them daaaa.
and they are here bcz of the healthy successful economical environment and facilities the country has created for them, you know , things that your countries LOCAL GOV failed to do.
so you see, part of us "who cant even speak properly" are the reason why you are here and not back home selling chickens or selling fake watchs to tourists. get it ? Dr.D What is this? Battle of the Stupid People? If Dubai didn't have such a multicultural mix of people, it would most certainly not have the MNCs. - think about it for 20 second... MNCs = Multicultural organisations. Also FF: Cisco and Microsoft were in India long before they came to Dubai. FMCG companies were long established in the Western World before coming here. Dubai offers a convenient location with relaxed economic conditions that are attractive to MNCs, but should that change... should Dubai become subject to nationalistic domination, then you can bet the MNCs will move on. Mr. Firefingers... not every expat is from a 3rd world country. Many actually come from places better than Dubai, and are here to assist Dubai with modernisation. You need us more than we need you, and this is something that at least the rule of this Emirate understands. The Major
Well said Dr. D, I couldn't agree more! St.Lucifer FF...u r such a Fool . Fragaria I don't know why so many people here are against locals and calling them overpaid and lazy. Firstly many local get salary between 3000 to 10 000 dhs a month with long hours a day. I am sure most western expats would never accept to work with this salary. Many Western expats get house allowance, car allowance, school feels paid etc. If someone is overpaid, i would say the western expat. Many locals are unemployed because they can't find a work in their own country because a lot of jobs are given to asians and others, it's very hard for local to work in certain fields. Did you ever seen a local bus driver? Or local worker in petrol station? Burger King? They can't work because they are not accepted to these jobs often! Some locals are rich but most are normal or even poor. firefingers
Need !!!…. Naaa I don't think so, maybe 10 years ago . locals now works in all fields my friend , and has graduated from better schools than most expat .but the the problem is our populations !!
In worst case if it's in my hand , I would prefer GCC countries locals working instead of western in fields that locals hastate to work in, unlike you guys at least they would appreciate it and you may check it your self ,they will work with less salaries than the ones expat complains about.
The only ones I care for are the expat working in construtions under the sun and the heat but you guys are living it easy, so please guys don’t put your self in their category . Dr.D
The problem is not population and it is not education. The problem is experience. You could read 10,000 books about golf but until you learn to swing a club you're never going to be good at it. The same applies with pretty much any discipline.
The experience of the locals is sadly lacking in many areas, but with the good foresight of the government, locals get to train with experienced professionals (such as myself - I have 3 local graduates working for me at the moment) - but they're a long way off from going it on their own.
Until that experience gap is closed, many professional expats will have the edge, so yes, you do need us. Experience is something that comes with time and proper mentoring.

I didn't go to the best universities (self funded) and obtain what I thought was the most relevant experience to do menial jobs my friend. Get a grip, many of us don't need to be here, I myself am here for 2 reasons:
(1) Middle East experience - partly for fun, partly to build my career.
(2) Tax free incentives provided by your government to get me here.
You seem to conveniently forget that a lot of the expat workforce is imported to do highly skilled highly specialised work, not just menial jobs, I wouldn't even do those jobs in my home country.

I think you're the one categorising to be honest. I sympathise with those people who have the terrible jobs working in the hot sun. It is a necessary evil to the development of this country. Nobody benefitting from the development of Dubai, locals and expats alike, has a right to criticise whilst they are living off these benefits.
Having said that, this takes a much more global and historic understanding. The labourers of today are funnelling their money back home to build a better future for their family. A couple of generations and the collective wealth and education will rise and these people will no longer be in a position to do menial jobs.
Perhaps more than any of us, they will be taught to appreciate the true value of hard work, and with this appreciation move on to build stronger and stabler economies.
Dubai might seem on its way to being a grand place, but it is not there yet. There are many gaps in day to day life that need to be corrected and infrastructure that needs to be built.
None of this will happen, unless the expats and the locals unite around this, instead of constant bickering or putting each other down.
It is your country Mr. Firefingers, and the attitude of yourself and your children will go a way to shaping it's destiny. Fortunately I think the future of Dubai also lays in the hands of the many talented locals I have met and work with in the Government, and I have faith in their ability to keep progress happening.
You? Not so much. You're too narrow minded and not worldly enough. firefingers You see dr.d the problem is you guys (most) goes only against my posts not against expat ones !! even though you know most of them are not true or at least not specified to a cretin group of locals !! aren't they narrow minded too ? why is it you don't point fingers at them before me when they put all of us under one category? aren't they narrow minded too ? why do you keep quit and blindly agree to those posts just bcz it has the word "locals" in it ? aren't you narrow minded too? You said ((The experience of the locals is sadly lacking in many areas, but with the good foresight of the government, locals get to train with experienced professionals (such as myself - I have 3 local graduates working for me at the moment) - but they're a long way off from going it on their own)) As an example you have generalized all locals based on 3 of them and stated that LOCAL has a lake of experience !! if this is the case I will email you pictures of foreigner in my work place sleeping on their desks, I promises I will. So you see I have no problems with you working here or denies the need of your (some) expertise but it's the attitude .. so until I see you guys being fair and open minded regarding such posts, yes I'll be narrow minded so live with it. If you really wana help stupid people my friend then please do start with the ones in this forum . Dr.D
Er.. I work with more than 3, I am merely training and adding experience to 3 for the benefit of this country (you know... for the good of tomorrow.).
I see a lack of experience in a lot of places... something that will come in time, but it's not there yet.

LOL! OK man, whatever floats your boat.
FWIW, you're not the only local who posts on this forum and one is a good friend of mine. He doesn't appear to share your views. firefingers Again you are ignoring my last post point. Aren't expat in this forum who generalize all locals narrow minded ? But as I said you wont go against them simply bcz …..never mind,you get my point dr.d. And that’s why you see me being harsh in most of my points. bushra21
I don't think he's ignoring ya rayal. He stands by what he believes in regardless of the OP's nationality. It's just you who brings up these things.
Even Bleakus and I who are LOCALS don't agree with what you say.... firefingers
bushra, don't make me starts on you dear... am I the one posting these subjects or starting it ? how is it me ?
and yes he is ignoring cuz I got cornerd he can't answer the question. uaebadoo
I am local and I agree 100% with firefingers, Actually I came to this forum after I have read in other Arabic forumes about people here jumping and making stupid stereotypes about locals. some idiots need to be put back where they belong and must learn how to respest the people of the country where they are making their living and who treat them as guests not as inferiors like in their own countries, also, they have to understand that they live in a country which has one of the best secure socities in the world and this is handeled by locals only,if this country was not secured, non of u will be here, with all the respect to all the other fair people g00se Badoo -
Totally agree with your last point about expats "behaving" in the country of their residence. However [and it is a huge however], what many of this fair land fail to appreciate is that their collective wealth has fk all to do with their abilities and EVERYTHING to do with the help and assistance given to this country by foreigners ! The whole from-camel-to-ferrari-in-a-generation thing.
From my point of view, I have come here for a couple of reasons - one to make a shed-full of cash, the other to fill a hole in my CV for world experience. I have lived in many other locations but have never come across the arrogance and blind failure to recognise quite how much expats have contributed to their econmy.
Part of the whole balance of being an expat s having to deal with situations like this. And learn to live with it.... or ship out !
And BTW, I will not name the schools, but it IS true. firefingers
yaa they came here to assist , man please they had nothing to eat, thats why.
no one is working here out of their kindness including locals.
assist !!!..... please. g00se FF -
hehehe Of course no-one goes anywhere out of the goodness of the heart [except perhaps Mother Teresa and voluntary workers..... oh and Save The children. and....... oh you get the idea]. But equally, many have the choice of whre to work in teh world. And part of the allure of being here is helping to create a future here.
Whether that is being a PM on a hotel-building project in Dubai Marina, or a banker shifting wealth for JPM, or a recruitment consultant finding the match for people and jobs.
It's all about developing the nation as a whole, isn't it ? jabbajabba I understand FF's defensiveness as locals can be easily (and way unfairly) stereotyped but I also support the fact made by Dr D that the professional experience of western expats is still very much needed here - *not* because they are better educated or more intelligent, but for the simple reason that Dubai wishes to be a westernized metropolis - no one has no where near the experience of achieving this then western professionals. This will change, but for now it is true. If we take the Media for example and look at Emirates today you will see a clear example of the sacking and clearing out the expats to early going wrong. Since the clear out the paper now sells only an estimated 800 copies a week (no Audit has been shown only a speculation, one can only wonder why there is no public audit) meanwhile 7days (which was almost unfairly crushed as a vaild competition) has gone from strength to strength. However a lot of expats are starting to move on now. I have had lots of conversations with friends and workers met during my time here who have gone or are in the planning stages of moving on. I also have a few friends from back in Europe who have evaluated Dubai as a destination but arrived at the conclusion that it is not worth their while. This movement is largely based on most finding that Dubai is just not that good a deal anymore (with exception of perhaps senior directors) . European salaries are now peaking above your average Dubai wage (even with the tax free element) + they increase each year to reflect inflation, property is cheaper to rent (as in you can live outside the main work areas and commute easier) and there is a labor law which will protect you when it comes to the crunch. As for multi-nationals eastern Europe will be the next big location, cheap skilled workforce and the strength of the euro being the key factors. firefingers can't agree more with jabbajabba statment, this is a good way o present an opinion. Donnabelle In reference to the main topic...don't you think they deserve more than we do because this is their own country? I guess we should be thankful and grateful of the chances and opportunities that we have which other people are being deprived of...well the world is round...like the wheel of life sometimes you're up sometimes you're down :wink: SCY JJ: As for multi-nationals eastern Europe will be the next big location, cheap skilled workforce and the strength of the euro being the key factors.
True.
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Just a thought.
UAE gov't declared some sectors to be nationalized. I hope it will not be like what the UK adopted due to EU. The point-based sytem that the UK adopted in hiring foreign workers has made it difficult for workers outside the EU to obtain work permit in Britain. Work permit of existing foriegn workers outside the EU will no longer be renewed.
Philippines is one of the countries that sends foreign workers there to work, however they can be replaced now with workers coming from the EU. I find it unfair to just replace bunch of workers who made enormous contributions especially to the care sector and NHS just because they come from a country, which is not part of the EU. I think this is not the way people should be treated.
In the case of UAE, they're doing it sector by sector. firefingers
It's not fair I'll give you that, we are all human, sisters and brothers, however any country will choose its own people on others, the unemployment rate is a global issue and each country is fighting it in order to provide jobs to its locals, unlike me and you who are concern about getting a job to put food on the table they look at the big picture to provide a stable life for its locals other wise they will end up with loads of complains from them. In some countries as we see on T.V rage and protests sometime .in the past years so many colleges and universities open here, many graduate locals are looking for jobs, the gov started noticing a problem in the long run so they are trying to solve it before it gets out of control in the future.
However this country will always be in needs of expats experience with the wheel of it's economy is speeding and booming up and a verity of fields and locals are short in numbers and experience to fill in the gap. privet companies prefers Asian expats mostly to save on salaries .
Our petroleum company ADNOC and its 18 sub companies owns %95 of it's income and the rest is shared by global countries like Japan and USA in order for UAE to always make sure it gets the best qualified experts in that field working here so they keep others interests by sharing the cash . DubaiInformationSite perhaps you should ask her about her night job ;-) does it have anything to do with the company boss? ---in all honesty this is very common ---where have you been? immortal01 Well you need to go with the flow, cause it it their country and they have all the rights to pay whatever they can to their people.



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