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xibit How many of you actully follow Islam and its five pillars. actully pray 5 times a day gives zakat gives charity Reads quran with translation and understanding it performs fast if not y? am just curious discuss i didnt mention the first and most important pillar beacuse u have to be commited to that and there are no options for that ps non muslims are fre to ask questions dont shift thsi to the religios section coz apart frm a few threads that section is useless
nuzbim you might want to do your research on the 5 pillars before you ask that question, since you dont have all of them there. you might get better responses if you know what you are talkin bout. ^ian^ Might get an ever better response if you post it in the right section. gtmash
lollerskates, you are right. xibit
What made u assumed I didn’t know what I was talking about?
And I said that I haven’t mentioned all the five pillars, but if you ask:
Shahada (the most important one)
Zakat
Salat
Fast
Hajj xibit jees ppl 90 views and 3 lame replies, speak up people find some courage . wannabe well, i like to think i try and do what i can but the temptations that lead people astray are really powerful! nuzbim [quote="xibit"]
What made u assumed I didn’t know what I was talking about?
And I said that I haven’t mentioned all the five pillars, but if you ask:
Shahada (the most important one)
Zakat
Salat
Fast
Hajj[
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what made me assume? how bout what you listed, how are we supposed to know what you mean thru your post. maybe learnin to spell might help as well. looks like you are fishing for info, so go hit google. gtmash
This is not the right place to discuss this, where Muslims actually admit to drinking and sleeping around, and still calling themselves "moderate." I'd rather do this at mosque gatherings. bushra21 hmmm honestly i haven't really been praying 5 times a day lately. more like the past several months. i want to get back into that habit, but i dont know, things keep coming up each time i go to pray. fasting i do it - no doubt about that. i actually enjoy ramadan. its the one time where people actually try to be civil with one another for reasons other than money or sex or something along those lines. it seems to bring people from all backgrounds much closer than any other religious holiday's that we, muslims, have. zakat/charity is also something i do. but its not something i go around telling people i do. i try to give to things when i can, help out when i can. but i like doing it without a people knowing its me. hajj, im planning on doing inshalla. i heard its amazing. ive seen how my family had changed from when they had gone. there's no words i can use to describe it. but i guess you could say they were glowing. thats my answer. i know no one else has answered yet, and i know im not the best muslim religiously speaking but oh well, i try.

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dale Witnessing-Shahadah
To do this one must simply state publicly "Ashadu alla ilaha illa Allah, wa ashadu anna Muhammed ar-rasool Allah".
This means, "I bear witness that there is no God other than Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammed is His messanger."
It should be a genuine belief from one's heart. The witnessing of the Oneness of Allah is the rejection of any form of deity other than Allah, and the witnessing that Muhammad is His Messenger is the acceptance of him being chosen by Allah to convey His message of Islam to all humanity and to deliver it from the darkness of ignorance into the light of belief in, and knowledge of, the Creator.

Prayer-Salat
In prayer, every muscle and bone of the body joins the soul and the mind in the worship and glory of Allah(swt).
Offering of prayers is obligatory upon every Muslim who is sane, mature and in the case of women free from menstruation and confinement due to child birth. some requirements must be met in oreder for the prayer to be valid. These include but are not limited to:
Performing wudu - ritually cleaning the body clothes and ground used for prayer.
Clothing - one must be covered in the manner according to his gender.
Facing the Ka'ba (refered to as the Qibla)
Intention - merely saying in your mind that you are attempting to pray and gain the benifits from it.
Prayers are required at least five times a day. Other obligatory prayer include the Friday congregational prayer, Eid prayers and the funeral prayer. Times of the five daily obligatory prayers:
1.Fajr-Before sunrise.
2.Zuhr-After the sun begins to decline from its zenith.
3.Asr-Mid-afternoon.
4.Magrib-Just after sunset.
5.Isha-night.

In addition one is also encouraged but not required to perform prayers during the day and night. Prayer should be offered in its due time, unless there is a reasonable excuse. Delayed obligatory prayers must be made up. In addition to the prescribed prayer, a Muslim expresses gratitude to Godand appreciation of His favours and asks for His mercy all the time. Especially at times of, childbirth, marriage, going to or rising from bed, leaving and returning to his home, starting a journey or entering a city, riding or driving, before or after eating or drinking, harvesting, visiting graveyards and at time of distress and sickness.



Charity-Zakah
Obligatory charity giving is an act of worship and spiritual investment. Zakah does not only purify the property of the contributor but also purifies his heart from selfishness and greed. It also purifies the heart of the recipient from envy and jealousy, from hatred and uneasiness and it fosters instead good-will and warm wishes for the contributors. It also frees society from welfare, distrust and coruption. Zakah is paid on the net balance after paying personal expenses, family expenses, due credits, taxes, etc. Taxes paid to government do not substitute for this religious duty. The contributor should not seek pride or fame but if disclosing his name and his contribution is likely to encourage others, it is acceptable to do so.
The recipients of Zakah are:
- the poor, the needy,
- the new Muslim converts,
- the Muslim prisoners of war (to liberate them),
- Muslims in debt,
- employees appointed to collect Zakah,
- Muslims in service of research or study or propagation of Islam,
- wayfarers who are foreigners in need of help.

Note that Zakah is obligatory. Muslims can also go above and beyond what they pay as Zakah, in which case the offering is strictly voluntary (blessing will come to those who wish for his brother what he wishes for himself).



Fasting-Sawm
Fasting is abstaining completely from eating, drinking, and intimate sexual contacts from the break of dawn till sunset. It is a matchless Islamic institution which teaches man the principle of sincere love to God, creative sense of hope, devotion,patience, unselfishness, discipline, etc. Obligatory fasting is done once a year for the period of the month of Ramadan. Fasting during this time is obligatory on every muslim adult if he is mentally and physically fit and not on a journey. Women are allowed to skip a fasting day due to menstruation, and while nursing a baby.



Pilgrimage-Hajj
It is obligatory to make the pilgrimage to Mecca, at least once in a lifetime. Muslims from all walks of life, from every corner of the globe assemble in Mecca in response to the call of Allah. It is to commemorate the Divine rituals observed by the Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, who were the first pilgrims to the house of Allah on earth: the Ka'bah. It is also to remember the great assembly of the Day of Judgement when people will stand equal before Allah. Muslims go to Mecca to glorify Allah, not to worship a man. The visit to the tomb of Prophet Muhammad at Madena is highly recommended but not essential in making the Hajj valid and complete.

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1. shahadah- yep...
2. i do pray 5 times a day but sometimes i might miss one. its tough to get up for the early morning fajr prayers but then u get used to it
3. i give out 2% of my earnings/savings/property as charity
4. i fast throughout ramadan, no exceptions...
5. have performed umrah and will go for hajj one day!
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the last i knew this was a forum
you would admit in a mosque gathering in front of all the sheikhs that you drink and sleep around lolz, i dont think so xibit dale tnx for summarizing. Bushrah are u eligible to give zakat I mean are you working? I gave my first zakat last year and Inshallah this year it would be 3 times more than last year. bushra21
yes, x, i do work. Your-ZION-Master non-aggression Palestinkies HP Bushra , Sweety , before taking part in Islamic discussion and discussing "Zakaat" , first change ur display picture . We are not taking about Zakaat of "Milk" . PS" I pay 40 % tax , why shuld i pay Zakaat , Poor people shuld work hard to earn money . I was not born rich but now i have assets of 1 million US dollar :P " bushra21
ill do whatever i want, thanks MAC
HP = smart and right. dale ofcourse u can do what u like (to urself) but dont have the right to tarnish the image of islam. effectively u r hurting so many muslims out there. . i am not a very religious person but then i am not a hypocrate either think!
HP
I dont have any objection on your activities but when you talk about certain things then you need to qualify for it.
First look at ur display picture and tell us , if showing part of bobs to Dubai forums community is allowed in Islam :roll:
OR its body zakaat? bushra21 me doing what i want doesn't make me a hypocrite. i dont go and preach to others what they are supposed to do or what they should do and then do the opposite myself. the question asked in the op was what pillars we follow. and i answered. i never forced my opinions on anyone so if yall have such a problem with the way you practice your own religion then thats fine, but dont go and try to tell me that im a hypocrite. oh and just because a bloody photo of mine shows some cleavage doesnt mean that i dont practice my religion. like i said, im not perfect and i dont force anything on anyone. HP
Sweetheart ,
Might be i sound like Mullah who always declare "fatwa" against women. But in reality , when you display parts of your body and talking about "following Pillars" then it make me "hmm hmmm hmmmm".
Before following pillars just follow the ABC of Islam . It wouldnt be bad if u want to be my student, might be i can help u :=).
PS" whenever i do something bad i always pretend to be indian and Hindu " :lol: aarif wow very nice.... so u see all non-muslim here... how we muslim treat each other in public... HP
I can treat Bushra sweet in private but public affection is now allowed :lol:
I am just forcing her to not involve in Islam m, once , one of my Girl friend refused to meet me after peforming "Umrah" in Saudi arab.
well most of the ppl are muslims here , they r hiding themselves behind western names :
1= sage & Onion = Sheikh Abdullah
2= Concord = Haiji abdual haq
3= Chocolic = Fatima bin Anderson
4= Ian = Chudary Aslam aarif and HP= Haji Prevez Elaahi dale Bushra talking abt islam and at the same time flashing ur bo obs (which is prohibited in islam) is hypocrisy. ask anyone i think u r not getting my point. its something like saying i am against violence but i sell bombs. wtf? why are you selling those bombs then? secondly u cant bend religion to suit yourself. either you follow the rules or u dont. if u dont follow the rules... you are not doing it right. its that simple. what i have learnt so far is that islam chalks out a complete way of life. from what u eat to what u wear, how u talk, ur responsibilities... family life, community life, property rights, system of government and what not also ur timetable for the day is set... like praying 5 times a day... so its all defined. you just need to apply it in your life... and believe me that the tough part !! HP Leave Bushra alone ,she is jst a cartoon muslim . Strawberries I think it is an interesting question. I'm not Muslim but I have lived with Muslims the past 5 years and it used to really annoy me that they wouldn't follow Islam but still called themselves Muslim but then I realized that this is the case with people of all religions and I myself am guilty of it at times also. I don't know why everyone is attacking Bushra, she is the only person who has honestly answered the question. I guess it's easier for you guys to attack her then take a look at yourselves. Theres a story in the bible that I always remind myself of... it's about a women that commited adultry, the crowd were about to stone her to death when Jesus said "he who is without sin among you, let him be the first to cast a stone at her" (John 8:7) bushra21
hence me saying that i admit i am not the best muslim and why i do not give advice when it comes to religion and why i refuse to be involved with families who come to me to chat with their daughters. but when someone asks me what i follow or believe i feel that i have every right to say it and should not be called a hypocrite for that... bushra21
oh hp if you really are muslim then i would just like to let you know that you saying that is against the religion...
judging other muslims and calling them 'fakes' is not allowed in islam since it is only God who can judge.
but im assuming you already knew that didnt you.
i know my religion and what i can and cannot do....just leave me alone and work on fixing yourselves first.
:roll: dale strawberries its not a good idea to give an entirely wrong colour to this thread. stone someone to death = punishing someone FYI : WE ARE "DISCUSSING" RELIGION HERE. Lastly, I would just like to quote a saying of Prophet Muhammed SAW(not in exact words) : If you see something wrong stop it with your your hands and if you cant do that, speak up against it and if you dont have the courage to stop it, atleast think within yourself that its wrong HP
if u knew ur religion then u would not been displaying this picture . ghaima I can understand that believing muslims get somehow offended by a women showing too much of her body - because it is not in accordance with strict islamic Sharia. Having studied Islamic Culture Studies and having stayed in many muslim countries I personally got quite influenced in the way I dress myself -although being Christian and not Muslim myself. I am used to wear long sleaves even here in Europe (where I live at the moment) and would not feel comfortable wearing a miniskirt or a sleavless top .... But come on guys ... IS THAT ISLAM? The way someone gets dressed? I know it is important to a certain point... Bu is it not much more about how someone lives? Isn't someone a much better muslim who gives money to the poor and has good family relations and cares for others? I knew so many "muslims" who were telling everyone about Islam and about beeing good muslims, fasting, not eating pork.... But what did they do? Having relationships with women before marriage although this is strictly forbidden in Islam - see Surat an-Nur, Aya 2 I really can't get along with this hypocrit attitude! munafiqun! When I was stuying in Egypt I prefered students from the religious Azhar University. Because - at least that's the impression I got - they were modest people who lived a life according to Islam without telling everyone about it! So if you have a problem about Bushra's picture the reason could be the following: You get afraid of losing your temper! SO what does that tell us? I think it tells us more about your character and your attitude towards sexuality than about Bushra's! That's psychology! If you hear someone complaining about something? Whom does that tell us someting about? We learn nothing about the person complained about - but we learn a lot about the inner fears and feelings of the complainer! So if you have a problem with Bushra's picture the problem might be YOU in reality and not Bushra! I hope that was understandable!!! bushra21
you know what hp you are ridiculous. i dont need to defend my actions to your or anyone else.
i know what i can and cannot do, what i should and should not do and live my life accordingly. sure, i dont follow every aspect of my religion...but who does?
as long as i am not telling people what to do, then i see no reason to change until i want to.
leave me alone. dale i would rather stick to the topic rather then talking about my fears,temper. you know nothing about me, what i was and what i am now.... Ghaima knowing people from al-azhar and studying religion doesnt necessarily mean that you are have become the ultimate source of islamic knowledge. you cant define who is a good muslim and who is not. its already PREDEFINED in Quran and Sunnah. i really dont care what anyone does and how much body they show. As I had said before Islam is a way of life and so it is "also" about what kind of clothes you wear. nobody is trying to be judgemental about anyone. in the end we all are individually responsible for our own deeds. clearly you are ostriching from what i am saying once again i will try and explain : if i say -i pray five times a day, -i give charity (zakat) -i fast during ramadan -i desire to go for hajj what it means : -i do all this for the love of GOD -i do all this to get HIS blessings -i do all this because HE has commanded me to do this -i do this because the Prophet used to do it -i like to worship but at the same time i go around doing something which HE has strictly prohibited, cursed.... then : -i need to think what i am doing for instance i claim i love my wife and i do everything to please her. buy her gifts, take her for dinner blah blah... but she doesnt like that i talk to a particular friend of hers. she has told me that if see that lady then she will roast me in oven ! but still i go around and sleep with her friend. what would you make of that? for all i know is that in my part of the world/dubai we call it hypocracy p.s. for those of you thinking why this guy is making so much noise about a low neck top then i'd like to clear out a few things. in many cultures and religions it acceptable to wear hot-pants and tank tops. nobody would bat an eyelid for example in some parts of europe nudism is considered art. In Islam women are strictly prohibited to even show their hair (no exceptions, zero-tolerance) and then someone comes up and says i follow the 5 pillars but i dont follow the very basic rule. this doesnt go down very well... jer I've been seeing this debate and i think it very interesting. someone said that zakat was not necessary. I think it is more necessary more than ever in this world that we live in. If one has the means to live comfortable but even if we're not rich we should do even small things for the poor. now to the lady that is showing her body in picture here i find her words saying one thing but actions saying another. so many muslims dont do all they're supposed to we all know this. But many try and many see whats really important. How can a lady that does this even say she is trying? I think this is enough to be laughing at her. some muslim women dont cover their hair but they dress normal, they dont take pics of their breasts for the world to see and then say theyre muslim, by doing this muslim thing, blah blah. this lady seems to not know what Islam represents and she not know how she looks representing her self this way. wanting so much attn I think there must be something not right with her. a pic like that is for a street lady not for a lady that says she is muslim and practices this and that. bushra21 dont call me a street lady...you dont even know me. this has gone way too far. jabbajabba Bushra - I am not offended or initmidated by your picture. You look like a fine women and you have a lovely smile as well. arniegang this thread has run its course now Personal insults or ascertations about peoples character will not be tollerated thread locked



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