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Thums up to Hugo Chavez


mesheditor the government of Venezuela has decided to expel the ambassador of Israel and some of the personnel of the Israeli Embassy in Venezuela, dont you just wish this guy rules the entire muslim countries ..
muslimbangladeshi
No.
Just one good move doesn't mean he's absolutely knowledgable and makes no mistakes.
He along with ALL Muslim countries have done nothing against USA for killing millions of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, sudan, Somalia, etc. Dubai Knight The pair of you need to go to Venezuela. Enjoy the barrios, the worst slums in the world, courtesy of Mr Mad Chavez and his Junta! Venezuela was one of the most progressive countries in Latin America...now its regressing to the dark age and Chavez is bankrupting the place by siphoning off all the oil revenue that should be filtering through the economy. He is no worse than Idi Amin or Bokassa were in Africa! MuslimBangladeshi: Drop the one sided rant about America. I don't like them either but your needle is stuck in the groove. :x :x :x Knight mesheditor atleast its a nice and a strong gesture that non of the muslim countries leaders dare doing . Islam needs a guy with balls of steel like him. for real Chocoholic An eye for an eye does not make you a bigger person! RobbyG
Absolutely agree with Knight.
The 'only' good thing about Chavez would be the recognition of the need for Western technology to exploit the commodity sector in Venezuela. But then again, you have to be friends with the government agencies and preferably joint venture with the government to get permits to exploit their vast amounts of minerals potential.
From Rich to Poor due to socialistic measures, limiting foreign investments. Its sad. muslimbangladeshi
Worst slums? I dont know. But biggest slums? I think Brazil has it. India has Asia's largest. Both are constantly being touted by the Western and Anglo media as emerging economic powerhouses.
Venezuela has some fine metro stations in Caracas, Chavez launched a satellite for Venezuela. He also made Venezuela a decidedly middle income country, all that despite strong American threats, propaganda, and scheming.
If by "needle is stuck in the groove" you mean I am repeating the same facts, well mate, facts remain facts. Unless there is a change in reality, there should be no change in statement of facts. muslimbangladeshi
As far from truth as it can be.
For what reasons exactly should/would Venezuela need Western technology?
Even if you are the most illiterate and backward person with a wad of cash to spend, you can purchase most civilian technologies from nonwestern countries.
Moreover Venezuela may not be the most advanced country in the world, but it's far from being the most backward. It's a middle income country with similar level of civilian technology in almost all fields. Chocoholic ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz RobbyG Well, the most talked about commodity for instance - oil. The deepsea technology (brand new) used for exploiting the offshore carbon-based minerals for 1. Mining of Gold and Silver - recently in the news for Venezuela confiscating (environmental) permits of US companies (Crystallex, Gold Reserve :idea: ) that are not working the way the socialistic government sees it beneficial for its people. (labour issues and lack of profit sharing with Government entities) Russias connections with the Venezuelan government are more in line with eachother. Rusoro Mining (owned by Russia's Agapov family) for instance has a 50/50 Joint Venture with the department of mining of Venezuela. How beneficial. Buying up Western technology companies who can safely mine the Amazon area without to much disturbance. Without western technology, the deep-sea trog oil wells can't be exploited. Deeps sea drilling is brand new technology. The same goes for gold and silver mineral deposits. The Russians are buying western (technology) mining companies to gain that technology potential. It happens to be beneficial for Venezuela to Strengthen its ties with Russia lately in times of economic hardship. Securing the high value assets with a blow to foreign investor confidence, which drives that economy. Just look at their currencies. Do I need to say more?

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Don't be surprised if Chavez suffers a heart attack, dies in a plane/car crash or is blatantly assassinated... Dubai Knight
Ever been there?
Guess not!
Venezuela used to be a middle income country. Today it has slipped below the level it was when I first went there in the 1980's. Caracas was a wild west city when I first went there, but gradually was tamed and vastly improved by the democratic government. It became one of the cleanest and safest cities in Latin America.
Last time I was there, 1 year after Chavez took power, there was a gun battle in the street outside my hotel, the place was smothered in graffiti and garbage, street robbery is a national pastime and there were beggars on the streets and living in lean-to shelters under the freeways. The barrios have overtaken those of Brazil in terms of size and extremes of poverty.
So much for improving the lot of his people. The guy is a racketeer and a gangster who is feathering his, and his select group of friends, nests. Think Ferdinand Marcos, Robert Mugabe and Idi Amin all rolled into one.
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Knight Humbleman People who have no relationship with the Middle East have been protesting against Israel worldwide. Where I live there will be another large demonstration hold in the 10th. Now what’s Jordan and Egypt excuse when a far away country did the honourable. Shame on them. Humbleman
I think you are picking on MuslimBangladeshi this time. The guy said nothing wrong, he said what he thinks. I think you are the one who need to light up little bit. I feel you expect everyone to be line with what you think. Let’s be fair. Dubai Knight
Not at all.
I merely pointed out that his information was a little one sided, like the 'facts' he claims to tout. Not seen an accurate one yet, and when confronted with reality, he bucks the issue and either ignores it or continues with the same blinkered anti christian/western cultural rant. Every post has a go in some way at 'The West' or 'America' when it is purely gratuitous and not related to the post content at all.
We are all tired of it and eventually enough is enough.
The majority of members of this forum have turned off from reading this kind of propaganda and it is damaging to the quality and intelligent content that it is supposed to impart.
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Knight muslimbangladeshi
No I have not been to Venezuela. But nor have you been to all parts of Venezuela or the whole world.
Hence reasonable conclusions on economic and social development are not always easy to draw from first hand experiences. Neutral sources (maybe hard to find) are the best choice.
Venezuela, according to UNDP, stands at 61 in HDI rankings for 2005. That puts it at high development category, not saying it's flawless but it should give you an idea on how many countries are behind.
The world's largest democracy and the Anglo American media's poster child India is far lower. India is hardly ever maligned in your media for it's leaders are not anti Western. Because Chavez speaks the truth he's made out to be an idiot by you and other Westerners to shy away from the truth about your past, and present.
The description you gave of Venezuela is more fitting for USA the largest western country in population, military, and economy. Ever been to New York City or Washington DC?
Its financial and political capitals?
Filled with grime, poverty, pollution, shabby infrastructure, subways smelling of urine (sorry to be this blunt), no way to venture into streets after 8pm, etc was the call of the day. Murder rates one of the highest in the world. Largest /one of the largest prison populations in the world.
Gang fights in underground stations. Shootings, murder, 'mugging' widespread.
I don't see you or other Westerners nor your media belittling USA, its social structure, the Western culture or its political set up.
Hypocrisy comes in abundance, when a westerner is around, I suppose.
That's the case of most large cities in USA. And all that while it's a richer country than Venezuela.
So your blaming Chavez is off the mark even if you are unbiased in your description.
Venezuela is not a middle development country, but a HIGH development country according to UNDP as of 2005 (published in 2007/2008). Its GDP per capita stands at $11,827.64, immediately above Turkey's. That's according to IMF and published statistics were available for October 2008. muslimbangladeshi
If you are saying the largest companies in the West are oil/gas companies, you are right. Without oil/gas Western world will be much poorer and destitute. I won't deny that.

I used to think there are many mininig companies outside the West, in fact South Africa supposedly had the most advanced mining technology for some commodity (can't recall which one).
And so does Russia. Shouldn't be a problem for Venezuela to cooperate with any of them or other nonwestern nations. I am not very knowledgable about metallurgy or mining though.
What happened to Bolivar?
Exchange rate fluctuations of currency, by the way, should not fool you. They are decided in bourses in the West (London, New York) mostly and somewhat in their political 'allies' of Tokyo.
US$ also suffered much in exchange rate decline against Euro and other currencies.
This doesn't mean anything else that is macroeconomically significant. RobbyG
It doesn't make sense to argue with you about anything. The anti-Western sentiment is dripping off vigurously. There is just no reasoning with you son.
I pity you.
OK, one last chance to see whether you can agree with something called a fact.
What If all those Western big oil companies were to leave Venezuela instantly because Chavez changes his policy of attracting foreign investments in the oil sector. What would happen do you think?
Let me tell you before you speak nonsense again;
(Western) Big Oil will have losses in revenue, thats a fact. But Chavez loses nearly 50 percent of his nations GDP.
Together with the lack of technology and innovations (brought in by Western Big Oil Companies), Venezuela is unable to continue the socialist expenditure program which by the way is based on pricelevels of $80 - $90 a barrel of oil.
Thats a big blow and without a doubt, the situation in Venezuela will turn hostile once again. Riots and protests are bound to happen if it comes that far.
Russia is also dependent on companies like Shell etc. Remember the Sachalin II project? The nations GDP will decline without a doubt if Shell decides to leave, followed by other industry leaders.
And so does the standard of living drop in countries that are based only on commodities revenue, with a low diversification into other sectors.
With oil at $40 per barrel and a world wide economy in recession, do you still think that Russia or Venezuela will use Oil as economic weapon? Don't think so. Maybe Russia could do that shortly as they are slightly more diversified.
Analysts predict that both countries are able to use their currency reserves until the end of 2009 / first quarter of 2010 at these oil prices. After that, they are going into default.
The Gaza war in the Middle East and the turmoil in Ukraine might send oil prices up higher soon enough if it continues. As for now, Big Oil Companies are storing oil in offshore Supertankers, as the land based supply reserves are skyrocketing. Low demand means oversupply and low prices. That might take some time to recover as OPEC has difficulties keeping their members in-line with imposed production caps and targets.
Not true right? haha :wink: Humbleman Chavez has nationalised most companies who oversee the oil production in his country since he took power, and forced USA’s and foreign companies to abide by some policies he sat to benefit the infrastructure of our of his country or get out. Not mention. Since he took power he has been saying no to the US’s imperialism. That’s why the US hates him and called him a “mad Chavez”. His predecessors were like some Arab countries’ leaders whom policies have been controlled by foreign powers. Chaves has been staunch advocate to improve the lives of the poor, and truth be told, they love the guy over there.
RobbyG
hate, hate is the wrong word. They have different viewpoints. But in essence your right. Chavez is not the worst leader you can have. He is actually being very smart by adhering to foreign capital investments and that includes US foreign investment, although relations are a bit edgy. Especially in the mining sector.
The rule with Chavez is simple. If you work with the government and preferably on 50/50 joint venture agreements, than there is not a single problem for Western companies. Ties with the government are everything. Business falls or prospers on it in Venezuela.
I see Chavez as reasonably stable. Thats one of the reasons I'm invested into their gold mining sector. Safely on the Russian side offcourse. :wink: Humbleman RobbyG, my friend. You are right on this on. Hate is the wrong word – I don’t like to use it all. If only just, humans somehow try patiently and compassionately to understand each others’ point of views and agree and disagree peacefully, our world would be a better place to live in. I found your posts honest and enjoyable to read. Take care my friend. :) muyesser the world would be a better place to try not to understand, but in fact learn and physically experience our surroundings which will eliminate 'i don't like, i hate' approach to thing/s.. xl Humbleman
True Dubai Knight To all: I think I can accurately comment on the human situation in Venzuela, have been there, worked there, lived there and survived in their jungles many many times. Its a beautiful country, filled with wonderful people. It was advancing in leaps and bounds from being a poor troubled cousin, to becoming a safe, rich and comfortable place for all its citizens. That progress has now stopped. Dead. The people who created that wealth were persecuted (extremely) and forced out of the country. The 'socialist' bullies who took over are controlling the country through fear and intimidation. That 'the people' love him...is a propaganda fallacy. The people in power love him because he feeds their power hunger. The ordinary people on the street are living in fear and poverty when they used to live in harmony and comparative wealth. :( :( :( Knight Humbleman Bubai Kinght, appreciate what you’re saying. However, why would he do that considering Venezuela as a democratic country RobbyG
Humbleman, Nice to know somebody reads my contributions with some form of pleasure. :wink:
I appreciate your opinions. Thanks. daisy
Yes i agree...but wud u plz tell me tht wht is Israel doin in gaza?....
isn't it the same... an eye for an eye?
be realistic.....u will make more sense... RobbyG
Thats right Daisy. It is the same. I don't know why you attack Choco for it though... :? She can't change what happens over there.
To answer you question;
An eye for an eye doesn't make you a big person. Both parties have shot eachothers eye for a long time now. So that makes them both not BIG but SMALL entities. Pathetic actually if you ask me.
You write to Hamas and the Knesset and tell them what you think. As if that would help... Dubai Knight
It used to be, until Chavez took power. He has wiped out most of the systems designed to allow free speech as well as making changes to the constitution that allow him to govern and control in despotic fashion. Be sure, there will be a violent backlash in the near future. Currently there is no resistance against him as he the government has hunted down and persecuted those who would fairly oppose them. Its a dictatorship by any other description.
As for his people loving him? They hate him but they live in fear.
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Knight muslimbangladeshi Could it be that Chavez is one of the most virulently anti American persons in Latin America that prompts dubai knight to depict him negatively? Oh well it's not a surprise from Westerners though, we have become used to their ruses. Dubai Knight
Tell that to the Venezuelan people. They are not your 'brothers' as they are strictly christian "lewd, lascivious, paedophile, promiscuous, incestuous, beastiality loving, drunkard, drug abusing, homosexual, immoral, deceptive, hypocritical westerners" but any reaction against him will be strictly internal.
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Knight muslimbangladeshi Venezuelans are Westerners? I don't think so. Dubai Knight
Really? What are they then?
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Knight Red Chief DK, AFAIK Westerners are the golden billlion (ppl from developed countries). Venezuela is from the third world for sure... Who are the Westerners in your terms? muslimbangladeshi Japanese are from developed countries, they are not Westerners. Venezuelans are not Westerners either. Westerners are homosexual western europeans and their descendants who in their gay(!) abandon frolick about nude, drunk and display their wanton disregard for civilized norms of other socieities that they move to. They typically tend to show lascivious, lewd, immoral, promiscuous tendencies. Countries to the West of Germany in 'Europe' that have been ruled by the Roman Empire are generally considered Western. Their descendants have since moved to north america, australia, africa and various other places, going as far as removing the entire native population by deception, trickery, hypocrisy, mass murder ,violence, treachery and other illegitimate means. Moreover they have implanted their backward customs and cultural norms in foreign countries where they moved to without any regard for the local beliefs, customs, practices, traditions and norms. Typical of Western imbecilic hypocrisy, lewd, lascivious, promiscuous, immoral and such backward behaviour. kanelli Okay Red Chief, Venezuelans are non-Muslims, so muslimbangladeshi would have them on his hit list anyway. Red Chief
Kaneli, to be frank I don't care who are in MB list. He included even godless "Evil Empier" as ally in his list.
There are some ppl who don't want to be involved in your girlie clash about value of different countries for the World.
I asked how Westerner themself define the term "Westerner". As for me Japanes are Westerners for sure... kanelli Red Chief, that question has been asked and answered before in many other threads. Why don't you volunteer your definition? I'm keen to hear why Japanese are considered Westerners, for example. And there is no need to participate in any "girlie" clash, nor comment on it, unless you feel like being a complete tosser. Red Chief You are right. Sorry about that... kanelli No probs :D muslimbangladeshi
You are not my spokesperson.
Stop making things up. RobbyG Chavez amigos felicidados!!! YEeeeeeaaaaaaaeeAA Our worlds most Western dictator is available for re-election without limitations! 55% of Venezuelans chose to support Chavez, among that percentage were mostly poor Venezuelans who live below the poverty limit of 2 dollars a day. In Argentina they would shout: GGGGOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL ;) Red Chief
Evo Morales is more western. Learn Geography!
:D :D :D



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