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Intimacy Source:
Looking at the Middle East through Arab Eyes
Joel Bainerman | 03.06.2003 10:53
Zichron Yaacov, Israel--It is ironic that in the entire history of
the Middle East conflict it has always been the claim of the pro-
Israel camp that, "the Arabs view their history as one long
conspiracy against them", when in fact- such a view is completely
accurate and the view that the Israeli side receives- is
not at all realistic.
5/13/03
.il
Looking At the Middle East Through Arab Eyes
By: Joel Bainerman
Zichron Yaacov, Israel--It is ironic that in the entire history of
the Middle East conflict it has always been the claim of the pro-
Israel camp that, "the Arabs view their history as one long
conspiracy against them", when in fact- such a view is completely
accurate and the view that the Israeli side receives- is not at all
realistic.
Unlike Israelis- Arab intellectuals aren't swayed by the propaganda
of their own national leaders. If Arab intellectuals complain of
exploitation and colonialism at the hand of the foreigners - this
isn't because of some "wild conspiracy theory that all Arabs have of
foreigners" but because it is the truth. Israelis would do
themselves a favor by stop arrogantly thinking their political
culture is so much further advanced than the "primitive Arabs" and
realized that their perceptive and perception of the history of the
Arab-Israeli conflict is not accurate.
So if one is dive into the history of the Arab world - and leave the
Arab-Israeli conflict aside for the moment - it would be helpful to
accept the Arab perception of reality.
That reality is based on one simple principle: legitimate Arabs
leaders were never allowed to develop or surface because unless an
Arab national leader did what the foreigners wanted them to do - they
found themselves victim to a coup concocted by foreign elements - or
branded as a "radical Arab dictator" and thus a "threat to regional
security." As a "radical Arab threat" this served to bolster the
Israeli government's claim that "radical Arab leaders/nations
threaten the continued existence of the Jewish state.
There have been about thirty-five coups and coup attempts in the
Middle East in the past 50 years. Only one of them came into being
without Western involvement. The absence of a system or an acceptable
governing group made it easy for the pro-American and pro-British
army colonels to do what they did- covertly. .
Any proper review of modern Middle East history reveals that except
for Egypt, the boundaries of every state which emerged after the
First World War were drawn by European powers. Indeed, every Arab
state of the time was run by what Desmond Stewart (The Temple of
Janus, p. 166) calls as "client dynasty" or under the direct control
of the West.
Says Middle East scholar, Dr. Mohammed Daud Miraki : "Most of the
time, the elite controlling the governments of Muslim states views
their survival parallel to the interests of the elite in the United
States and her allies, and view the continuation of their hold on
power in their submission to the will of the United States." (essay
January 28th, 2003)
In Richard Becker's October 2002 article: The Battle For Iraqi Oil:
US Corporate Skullduggery Since WW1, we learn about the real history
of the foreigners' involvement in the Arab Middle East:
"In February 1919, Sir Arthur Hirtzel, a top British colonial
official, warned his associates: "It should be Bourne in mind that
the Standard Oil Company is very anxious to take over Iraq." (Quoted
in Peter Sluglett, Britain in Iraq, 1914-32, London, 1974)
Becker continues: "In 1927, major oil exploration got underway Huge
deposits were discovered in Iraq and the Iraqi Petroleum Company was
created by Anglo-Iranian (today British Petroleum), Shell, Mobil and
Standard Oil of New Jersey (Exxon)- was set up. Within a few years it
had totally monopolized Iraqi oil production.
During that same period the al-Saud family, with Washington's
backing, conquered much of the neighboring Arabian Peninsula. Saudi
Arabia came into being in the 1930s as a neocolonial of the United
States. The US embassy in Riyadh, the Saudi capital, was located in
the Armco (Arab American Oil Company) building. But the US oil
companies and their government in Washington weren't satisfied. They
wanted complete control of the Middle East oil, just as they had a
near monopoly of the Western hemisphere's petroleum reserves. This
meant displacing the British, who were still top dog in the region."
In 1953, after the CIA coup that put the Shah in power, the United
States took control of Iran. By the mid-1950s, Iraq was jointly
controlled by the United States and Britain. Washington set up the
Baghdad pact- which included its client regimes in Pakistan, Iran,
Turkey and Iraq, along with Britain, in 1955. The purpose of The
Baghdad Pact was to oppose the rise of Arab and other liberation
movements in the Middle East."
Rami Khouri, a syndicated columnist for The Daily Star in Beirut,
offers this view of the history of the Arab elite's ties to foreign
elements:
"We Middle Easterners (Arabs, Iranians, Turks, Israelis, Kurds, and
others) have a long track record of both arranging others, national
configurations and having our own rearranged by others. The modern
Middle East was largely configured by British and French who sought
to ensure their own colonial interests; they created new countries
whose fundamental assets and attributes often make little logical
sense. One of the problems we suffered after our last reconfiguration
by the British and the French around 1920 was that most of the Arab
countries had closer relations with London and Paris than they did
with each other. The scheduled flights of our national airlines went
to Paris and London more frequently than they went to other Arab
capitals. This indicated that political and economic ties with the
former colonial powers were more important for the nascent Arab
ruling political powers than relations with other Arabs".
Khouri contends there is nothing inherently wrong with being
rearranged; peoples, societies, and states do it all the time, to
themselves and to others. "However our experience in the Arab world
indicates that if the people being reconfigured have a say in the
process, and their new national map corresponds to their identities
and aspirations, the resulting reconfigured region may prove both
satisfying to its citizens and state within the global context," he
argues. "The British and the French did not do this around 1920, and
left behind a mess of fragile, often violent, states. That episode
resulted in unsatisfactory, intemperate Arab statehood in many cases,
a terrible modern legacy of security states, and tensions that
finally exploded into political terror in the 1990s and beyond."
(February 13th, 2003)"
If one really wants to understand how the Arabs view the west, they
should read "A Brutal Friendship" (St. Martin's Press, New York,
1997) by the well-known Arab journalist, Said Aburish.
Aburish claims there are no legitimate regimes in the Arab Middle
East. The House of Saud, King Hussein of Jordan, Presidents Husni
Mubarak, Saddam Hussein, Hafez al-Assad, Yaser Arafat and the
remaining minor Arab heads of state run various types of
dictatorships. They depend on phony claims to legitimacy while
representing small special interest groups- minorities whose members
owe their allegiance to them rather than the state as the
representative and guardian of the interests of the people.
The result is religious, tribal, army-based or hybrid ruling cliques
and leaders who have one thing in common: they are opposed to the
desire of the majority of the Arab people to develop legitimate
governments. By overlooking the absence of legitimacy and affording
dictatorships unqualified recognition, the foreign powers directly
and indirectly, supports the paramount of individual leaders, army
groups, sects, clans and families who run the Middle East and
determine its shape and direction. Aburish claims that perpetuating
Western political hegemony and protecting economic interests from
real or imagined threats take precedence over considerations of
legitimacy.
Aburish believes that it isn't Islam the West is battling, but the
notion of populist, popular political movements which represent a
threat to the West's clients and interests. The bad image the West
creates for them isn't meant to explain them; it is meant to justify
declaring war on them.
He explains: "The ruling groups in the Middle East use income from
oil and their armed forces (including the security forces) to stay in
power. Because the West controls or influences the acquisition of
arms which make the armed forces effective and because it manipulates
the oil market through oil companies which decide where to buy,
refine, distribute and use the income generated from oil, it relies
on both tools to determine the policies of these countries. This is
why the West, in cooperation with friendly regimes and against the
wishes of the unfriendly ones, seeks to perpetuate its monopoly of
both businesses. The rich Arab states were discouraged from
developing their petrochemical industries, moving into refining and
distribution, investing in the industries of the West or any moves
towards a more equitable distribution of wealth."
On the subject of what the rich oil states did with their newfound
wealth, Aburish explains: "The surplus from oil was linked to the
world capital market controlled by US, British and French banks.
Placing the surpluses in Western banks ensured the continued use of
money to fuel Western economies, to act as the primary lenders in the
world financial market, and meant that the depositor countries
realized less benefit than is available through different routes.
There was no attempt to use the surpluses to develop the Middle East
and whatever small money trickled through towards regional
development was comparatively small."
Regardless of how the mainstream media ignores the role oil plays in
the conflict in the Middle East, the fact is if the Middle East had
no oil reserves- there probably never would have been a Middle East
conflict for the past 75 years.
As to where this policy of the British (and later the Americans)
originated, we needn't look further than a series of meetings held in
Britain starting in 1905 headed by Prime Minister Sir Henry Campbell-
Bannerman. From this, a High Committee was formed. It specialized in
matters of colonialism consisting of members from the participating
states, of leading historians, social, economic and agricultural
analysts, scholars, geologists and experts in oil and gas. The
members of this committee met in London in 1907. The final decisions
made by the conference were threefold:
[color=red] 1) Separating the Muslim lands in the East from those in the West,
making their unity more difficult.
2) - Planting a new enemy for the Muslims on their lands, in the
first Qiblah and the third of the Holiest Mosques. This would draw
their attention to a new enemy, focusing all their energies on
defeating him and in turn weakening their capability of resisting
Western aggression, causing them to forget what occurred during the
days of the Crusades.
3) Establishing an advanced base for the disbelieving colonialists,
at the head of them Britain, to protect their interests, implement
their plans and schemes and ensuring the outflow of natural resources
from the region, as well as the import of their goods and products
into the markets of the region
The goal of the colonialist powers- then and now- is to keep Arab
peoples backwards by not enabling them to elect popular leaders- and
to control the vast mineral wealth that the Arabs were fortune enough
to possess. [/color]
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Joel Bainerman writes on Middle East political and economic issues
from Israel. He can be reached at .il and his
published archive of articles and essays can be viewed at:
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Liban And so it goes on....
To all those that lose hope, I say to you. The West will pay for its actions. It will be great if we see it happen in our lifetimes, but I dunno if it will....
What I do know is that it will happen. Good is on our side. Good always defeats evil. Evil will fall.
We accepted ALL of God's messangers. We are in His favor.
Now for the flames by Kanelli, Arniegang, Chocolic, Goodbai, and the rest of their likeminded blind people. kanelli Liban, your constant attention-seeking tactics are really becoming boring. Intimacy might also be heading for a Wooden Spoon Award nomination. arniegang Intimacy = Liban mmmmmmmmmmm i wonder ? Liban
Of course you nominate him.... God forbid a Muslim says the truth . You are as blind to your racism. kanelli Yawwwwnnn. Intimacy
True, i will tell u later how i will use it Intimacy
About? kanelli No, please tell me now. I'm just dying to know! :lol: Intimacy
Then, i will leave u to die.

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kanelli Oh, I thought you were going to threaten to kill me with your wooden spoon. :lol: Intimacy
you have no idea how a wooden spon could be powerful if u use it in the right place. kanelli But Intimacy, you haven't won a Wooden Spoon yet. :lol: Intimacy
i have a custom made one.. for like-situations Chocoholic Oh Kanelli, Intimacy is going to be the Sheriff of Nottingham in Robin Hood - 'I'll shall dig his heart out with a spoon...... because it will hurt more!' Oh you guys are so boring, what's the point of bringing up stuff which is in the past, it happened - leave it there! The point is to look to the future! Intimacy
Well, if you wana make a charecter for me; I prefer BraveHeart.
2nd. We are not boring, but you are NOT reading. what happened in the past is still ongoing till today and will be tomorrow dear.
its the reason of whats happening now .. Helllllooo Chocoholic Whatever! It'll just keep going round and round, because people like you can't let it go! And until people can down their weapons and shake hands in peace, it'll always be on going. Intimacy
Let Go!!! ... Let Go!!!
let go of what.. ppl were killed in Bulk.. and they are still being killed now and tomorrow!!!!
Countries have been destroyed and they are being destroyed.. and they will be ... DO U WANA TELL ME TO LET GO!?? let go of what exactly?!

i think you will do the humans the hugest favour on earth if u could convenes Mr. Bush and his gang with that!!! Chocoholic It goes for all sides!
Intimacy
How? and what i have posted states the opposite. its one side only.. read the parts in red plz in the first post. By the way..its not me who conducted that conference.
Choco, Stop taking things personally plz. Liban
Yes you are boring so shutup if you have nothing to contribute. Liban
The Jews keep blabbering about the holocaust... Nobody tells them to shutup for fear of going to jail if they are in Europe or being named "anti-semetic" elsewhere....
See how you are controlled by those zionist bastards.... GoodBai
- Joel Bainerman
Liban and Intimacy, I think you should invite Joel to the forum meet and you can tell him how much you agree with his articles and his vision that proper dialogue, peace and understanding are the way forward to resolve things between Israel and the Arab world. kanelli
Now that wasn't boring. Care to reply gentlemen? :lol: Liban
Great, so you are gonna put all Jews in jail????? They started the hatred against the Arabs....
Also, whoever he is, he can come. I will be happy to explain the truth to him.... Unless he too choses to be blind like some on this forum... kanelli Liban, perhaps you missed the point. Bainerman is Jewish and his article has been quoted here and supported by people who claim to dislike Jews. The man makes some good points - so perhaps not all Jews are not as evil and against the Arab world as some people claim them to be? Intimacy, I can see that there are some good points. However, people have been screwing each other over all throughout history. The Arabs have done it too. What do you think all Westerners should do about the current political situation between the West and Middle East. I seriously want to know what some of your suggestions are. Liban
Like I never answered that before.
But fir the brain dead, here it goes.
Butt out of Arab affairs and stop supporting Israel.
Thats all. kanelli Liban, you post general statements again! Do you ever tackle a subject beyond one-liners? If you've answered this before then get off your ass and cut and paste the relevant info into this thread. It isn't feasible to have a discussion splitting into different threads. Initially, I wasn't talking about Western governments. I was talking about Western people - citizens, people who live in Western countries, or Western people living abroad. What should WE do, not what should the government of X do. You know that I am intelligent Liban, so stop the childish insults like "for the brain dead". XRW-147
If you're so hard up for a reply knock yourself out with the search function buddy.
What is the point of repeating the same said topic over and over again? Do you expect his views to drastically change?
This is by no means a discussion, just mere repetition. kanelli XRW, I am not a buddy - I'm a female - thanks :) Your comments are completely irrelevant to this thread. Did you read the topic and actually see how the thread progressed, or are you just trying to jump in here to defend your buddy? Has there been a thread about what individual Western people should do to make relations better with Arab/Islamic peoples? I haven't seen one in the few months I've been on this board. kanelli
There are plenty of discussions about what Western governments should do, but that is not what I was asking about! XRW-147
Apologies Kanelli, you shall be upgraded from a "buddy" to "dear" - better? jks.
But in my own defence I think I strung together a meatier contribution than "yawwnnnnn" and was in no means a defence for anyone.
If you read beyond the months you have been here you might get what I'm on about. Its something along the lines of what Choco has already suggested.
But hey, if you think you can change the world, power to you sister. kanelli I haven't seen what Choco wrote... XRW-147
Sorry, who wasn't following what now? kanelli I'm looking for a "I hate the West" proponent's opinion on what Western people need to do in order to make relations better. Did Choco handle this topic somewhere? Also, I want Liban and Intimacy and others who dislike the West to give their opinions. Don't you think that everyone should be interested in making the relationship better? I mean, a clash of civilisations between the West and Islamic nations could mean WW3. With the way that Western and Middle Eastern governments are dealing with each other, we could see a war in the future. If the governments aren't doing what the citizens want, or the citizens are being mislead - how can they reach out to each other to set things right before the situation gets out of hand? If every thread that brings up how the West is abusing the Arab world ends in "Let the West burn in hell" - it isn't very productive, don't you agree? Liban
You bore me... If you are as intelligent as you claim to be. Perform a search function.
Your question has been dealt with a while ago. Before you came on board. Liban
I repeat. Learn how to use a search. This subject has already been touched before you came along... kanelli Thanks Liban, you are very helpful and polite as usual. :roll: Liban
I strive to be as nice to you as possible. :roll:
You deserve no less... kanelli Liban, I post constantly on this forum about tolerance and peace and I am obviously trying to understand all sides to the issues. You, on the other hand, are the complete opposite. You are so full of hate that it is no wonder that you have a hard time being nice to me. I will never agree with your messages of hate against the West and against Jews. If that makes me an enemy, than so be it. I'll tell you this though - I am not going anywhere and I will continue to post when presented with hate, intolerance, hypocrisy, and one-sided views. Liban
Similar to a bug or a fly.... You just like to be pesky... Thats OK, you keep on truckin' little soldier... You just keep going what you have to in order to feel better....
Go go Kanelli.... woo hoo!!! :lol: Liban Also, I like how you admit to being blind to the truth.... If I was to say God bless the West you would cheer... If I was to say power to the Arabs, you would jeer... Hypocrite. 8) kanelli
Where did I admit being blind to the truth, and what truth are you talking about. Is there ever only one truth Liban? Maybe that question is a little too intellectual for you :)
As I have said before, I'm an atheist, so no, I wouldn't cheer if you said God bless the West. If I was religious, I'd say that God blesses EVERYONE.
Any time I have written that I agree that the West was doing something wrong, you ignore me. When I say hey, that is incorrect, or there is another perspective to that, you call me a bigot, racist etc.
I feel really sorry for you Liban because you lack credibility, consistency, tolerance, and logic. Liban
bla bla bla....
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING!!!! :roll: Liban
bla bla bla....
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING!!!! :roll: Intimacy
Dear kanelli … you still don’t get it.. don’t you?!!!
When u are saying that I and liban dislike the west, then.. you are generalizing.
I have no problem with the honest, kind people in the west or in the east, the problem is with the Governments who are misleading the people with their propaganda dear.
Those governments who are making conspiracies since the dawn of history to wipe us off. And the article at the beginning of the post is showing so.. have you read it???
I have many good westerners friends who are so kind and nice .. and I almost consider some of them as family.
They are using the propaganda to create this ugly picture of Arabs and Muslims even the Christian Arabs are being judged by the same way.
Tell me, why the killing the destruction is going in since ages and ages…
You still don’t understand that we don’t hate you people, we hate the governments them selves whom are misleading this world and subsequently your nations.
I don’t think that the post is ambiguous that much.. I think nothing is simpler than the facts which have been mentioned to be understood.
I am saying it again.. we have no problem with the people… the problem is with the governments. Otherwise you don’t see such tolerance in the street with westerners.
Kindly … keep that in mind.


Dear, you can read the history .. up tell the last 100 years (not far from now) islam was the most tolarent cluture with any other cultures. Whenever islam happens to be in a country… there were nothing as a "clash" between it and anyother civilization… choose any time and country…
The people of whatever country regardless what were their ethnicities, they were very comfortable with islam… that was mentioned everywhere I think.
The propaganda is savataging this picture to create the reason to execute what came in the conference mentioned before.
If the governments aren't doing what the citizens want, or the citizens are being mislead - how can they reach out to each other to set things right before the situation gets out of hand?
after all this, do you still treat them as 2 entities?!!!! :shock:
They are the same !!!
Liban Why bother Intimacy... She simply doesn't understand... I dunno anymore if its blindness or sheer stupidity.... But I do not want to insult her so I will stick to blindness. All we can do it pity her. kanelli "We hate the governments, not the people." That is the same bull that you and Liban always say, yet you treat any Westerner who responds to your posts with complete disrespect. I do understand and I have said before that the West has caused problems in the Middle East, but you ignore me. There have been a billion threads on here where some Muslims members post topics about how historically Muslims and Arabs have been wronged in history, and how they are being wronged today. What is the point? To keep stirring up bad feelings and making the Westerners who post on here feel uncomfortable? If any one of us posted articles or thread topics that were anti-Arab or anti-Muslim you'd all be pissed off. As you have noticed, no one here has done that. It is only some of the Muslims and Arabs on this board who constantly moan about the West and try to stir up anti-Western sentiment. If you don't want a dialogue with anyone but Muslims or Arabs who feel the same way as you - go and post somewhere else where you find exclusively those people.
I don't need your posts and your attitude to help educate me about the problems between the West and Arab and Muslim nations. I'm already reading more and becoming more aware of it that when I lived elsewhere. I will make no apologies for not slitting my wrists because Western governments have been dominating Arab and Muslim ones. Throughout history there have been many civilisations that dominated other ones, but somehow they can get along in time. That is what I hope too, and I can do my part towards that. If some of you would rather spend time hating, then that is your choice.
You two could learn a lot from Shafique who actually has substance behind his posts. He never posts inflammatory things and then insults and patronises anyone who doesn't respond with "Yeah, let the West burn in hell." He educates and discusses and he cares about our opinions and perspectives. He is tolerant and feels secure in his faith. Now that is what this forum needs. Liban We keep stirring up things??? I asked you before and do so again, why do you not object to having the holocaust of the Jews mentionned time and time again all over the place? Intimacy
I dont, but should i be surprised by this tone?! i think i am.

[color=red][b]show me where i have ever disreaspect anyone here?! [/color]
- kanelli even when i am addressing you, i use the word "DEAR" do u consider this as a disrespect? i think its the bad doubts about us which make you think that "dear" means something bad.
you are still taking things personally, and i really have no idea why. Liban Its the trademark of a closet bigot.... Thats why she is like that Intimacy... PS - Who is the cute little girl in the avatar? Intimacy I myslef still dont get it. is it that artical speak for itself?!!!!!!!!! why we are being blamed for it? why were are accused what we hate weastreners when we mention it??? the one who worte this.. is not a musilm or an arab!!! kanelli
First of all, haven't noticed it being brought up at all. Where are the threads that keep mentioning the holcaust as the main subject of the thread? If it was mentioned recently it was because a) Ahmadinejad recently made comments about it - so it is a recent story. b) When Muslims on this forum slam Jews and basically say that they deserve to be exterminated - you are bloody well right that people will speak up in defense. If someone said that Muslims should all be annhiliated we'd still be speaking up to defend Muslims! I doubt you believe that though. Liban
Sure you will... :roll: kanelli
Please quote one instance where I have been hostile towards Islam and supported calls for Muslims to be harmed? You won't find anything because I would never support such a thing.
I have even started a thread for reading materials about Islam so that people can add useful resources and learn more about the religion. I have NOTHING against Muslims or Arabs for that matter - I just ask for more tolerance and that less hostility and anti-West sentiment be thrown in our faces all the time when we come to Dubai Forums to post. arniegang Save your fingernails on the keyboard K. They just dont get it. kanelli I suppose so arniegang. Too bad :( Liban
Interestingly enough, the rumor is we don't get it but the fact is that you do not. Liban
I agree.
It is a shame that you are blind to the truth. sniper420
Well I agree with every point Inimacy said.It's beacause any goddamn country in West b4 and during worldwars needed colonies so they can grow and prosper, so they do have to play politics. They found good way to dump Jews as they (especially Brits) hated em and create chaos and they can sell their military goods, come to Arab as allies and take oil. Even Chinese woud do that (that's how they got Xinhua province and check where the phrase 'chinese whisper" comes from). All balme shouldn't be lumped on West cos lack of good leaders in Arab world who could point and unite Arab ppl. Well it seems they arent many revolutions in Arab world and ppl are happy as it is. So in the end everybody wins.West needs the resources bcos they are making good use of most of it compared to Arabs who are spending on lavish stuffs instead on investing on other projects. AlexZello What do you think of Obadiah Shoher's views on the Middle East conflict? One can argue, of course, that Shoher is ultra-right, but his followers are far from being a marginal group. Also, he rejects Jewish moralistic reasoning - that's alone is highly unusual for the Israeli right. And he is very influential here in Israel. So what do you think? uh, here's the site in question: shafique
I think his views are what many Israeli government policy makers secretly (and some, openly) believe.
He justifies the suspension of human rights of Palestinians and the continuing injustices and breaches of international law.
It would be interesting what the reaction to his book/views would be if we replaced his references to 'Islamic' with 'Jewish' and 'Arab' with 'Jew' - would he then not be guilty of anti-semitism and jailed in many countries of the world? Therefore anyone that would condemn a similar attack against Jews should condemn this person's views as well.
My reading of his work is that he does not deny the charges against the Israeli government, but seeks to justify them. He says his hero is Machiavelli to make a forceful point.
I actually am warming to the ultra-religious Jews who say that the diaspora should wait for the Messiah to come and lead them back to Israel- and that the UN cannot be perceived as 'the Messiah' and therefore there is no religious basis for Israel.
Cheers,
Shafique



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