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Think twice before you send your family member to Australia


Captain Australia
Is Australia really that hard to get into? I was not sure so I pulled up some stats. We took in 173K migrants in 2008, and as you say, most of them were skilled.
I personally think that the 13K humanitarian number (refugees) is too low. But what I'm more concerned about is the 1650 New Zealanders that we let in. Bloody Kiwis ;-)
As unemployment is rising now you're going to see it get even harder to get in. I think they have already cut the skilled migration in some areas by 20K or so.
Estimated Resident Population of Australia (as at 30 June 2008) 21 374 000

.....Australia-born population (2006 census) 14 072 949
.....Overseas-born population (2006 census) 4 416 029
..........Major English Speaking Countries (MESC) 1 675 320
..........Non-English Speaking Countries (NESC) 2 740 709
.....Natural increase 145 495
.....Net Overseas Migration (NOM) 213 461
Migration
.....Permanent migrants 173 294
..........Migration program 158 630
...............Skill Stream 108 540
...............Family Stream 49 870
...............Special Eligibility 220
..........New Zealand citizens 1650
..........Humanitarian 13 014
Captain Australia These events are absolutely shocking and clearly a lot of the attacks are racially motivated which is even more disgusting. I will say that a few of the attacks are just thugs mugging people who look like easy targets, but I couldn't believe the one with the firebomb. What the hell is wrong with some people? Is Australia racist? Kinda. We went through a big 'lets keep saying how multicultural we are' phase a few years ago and it sort of looked like an attempt to block out the fact that quite a few Aussie are racist. Then it boiled over in the Cronulla race riots where a huge number of very drunk wankers started running around beating up Lebanese. Idiots, and very shameful for Australia. But not all of Australia is like that. I grew up in Darwin which is very multicultural (lots of Chinese, Greeks, Italian, Vietnamese, Indons, Timorese). But that's not to say that racism doesn't exist there. I think a large number of Aussies are racist against the native Aboriginal people. Mainly because they have been kicked around so much by the Government over the years (we're trying to change that now) that they are so messed up socially that all most Aussies see of Aboriginal people is the bum on the street asking for change. Sensible people realise that there are deep rooted reasons for the predicament of the Aboriginal people, but idiots ignore this and use the drunk bum as evidence for them being lesser people. Classic bigot stuff. All of this was not helped by our last Government, under John Howard. He was a conservative man who believed that locking up refugees in desert detention camps was a reasonable way to deter desperate people from getting in a boat and trying to come here illegally. He also had a bunch of conservative ministers who were more than willing to do his bidding and not speak out themselves. Even when mistakes were clearly made the Government always tried to save face and never admit when they were wrong. I hate this man so much and I think he put Australia back 20 years with his policies. I think Australians need to man-up and stop repeating that we are not racist to everyone and start looking more at the causes of racism and try to reduce it. I don't think we are more racist that other western countries, but we certainly have work to do. The funny stupidity of the situation is how racism changes over the years. We had a big influx of Italians and Greeks come over after the second world war, and they copped a lot of racism. Then the Vietnamese and Cambodians came over after the Vietnam war, and they copped it too, but they also got it from the Greeks and Italians who were now integrated into the community. Then the Lebanese came over after their war, and it was the white aussies, greeks and asians giving them hassle. Now we have the Africans coming over, and they are getting hassled. Madness, why can't people look at the situation and realised that it's just because they are new, not because of where they come from. In 20 years, the African Australians are going to be complaining about the xxxxx people and how they don't fit in. ha! To sum up, please don't judge all Australians based on these few idiots. Most Australians are nice, honest people who would be appalled by these stories. Yes we have our problems but hopefully our newish Government will take up the challenge and start doing something to make sure everyone can live in peace and respect each other. karans For Education. I am shocked as I thought Australia is a civilised society.
Amid racial attacks on Indian students in Australia, cricketer Harbhajan Singh's cousin on Saturday alleged that an Australian taxi
driver has killed his son in Melbourne and thrown the body on a railway track.
Harbhajan's cousin Jagjit Singh claimed that his 26-year-old son Upkar Singh Babbal, who went to Australia in 2004 to pursue a course in hospitality management, was killed in a racist attack in Melbourne on May 7.
Singh said as per the statements of Babbal's friends in Australia, he was killed by an Australian taxi driver who threw his body on the railway track in Melbourne.
He also demanded a probe by the Indian government into the death of his son, saying Babbal had informed him a number of times about the alleged discrimination against Indian students in Australia.
Babbal's body was sent by the Indian boys, who were known to him, after the Australian police refused to conduct a postmortem on his body, Singh said.
"We were informed by the Australian Police that Babbal had committed suicide," Singh said, adding that he tried to know about the entire incident but no one had informed him properly. karans In a fresh attack targeting Indians in Australia, a student suffered up to 30% burns after a suspected petrol bomb was hurled at him in his home in Sydney. ( Watch ) According to local newspaper for Indian community, South Asia Times, 25-year-old Rajesh Kumar was quickly covered by a blanket by his flatmate after the attack yesterday, an act which saved him from further injuries. Kumar was sitting on his bed in the front room of his rented house when an unknown person threw what neighbours say was a small petrol bomb through his window. The explosion and subsequent fire left Kumar with burns to a third of his body. The latest attack came as Shravan Kumar, a 25-year-old student from Andhra Pradesh, was fighting for life in a hospital here after being stabbed by a screwdriver by a group of teens in a weekend attack that also left three of his friends injured. Doctors have said they were not very optimistic about Kumar's recovery. Another student Baljinder Singh, stabbed by two attackers with a screwdriver early this week, has been released from hospital today. A New South Wales Fire Brigades spokesman said Rajesh Kumar's flatmate Arminder Singh did the right thing when he grabbed a blanket and threw it over his friend, helping to extinguish the flames. "He was crying, on fire. He lay down on the ground and I put the blanket on him," Singh said adding "I told him everything was going to be OK. He was asking: 'Is my face OK?" Singh, 33, said he was halfway between the laundry and kitchen when he heard the sound of smashing glass and his friend screaming. He and another flatmate, Chander Mohan, said they saw Kumar run out of his bedroom and out the front door with his back and arms on fire. Singh and Mohan said the attack was terrifying. "We could not sleep, we could not eat all night," Singh said. They had moved into the house with Kumar and two other flatmates in February but were moving out again as soon as possible, Mohan said. He said Kumar had no enemies and had not been in any trouble. "We don't know why," Mohan said. Singh said he had been robbed on the street three times in the past two months. karans This is copy and paste, but just wanted parents to make informed decision before sending your kids to Australia. I have studied in Uk and never faced any discrimination, thus seeing this has really disturbed me. karans In one of Australia's worst outbursts of racial violence, thousands of drunken white youths attacked police and people they believed were of Arab descent at a Sydney beach, angered by reports that Lebanese youths had assaulted two lifeguards. Young men of Arab descent retaliated in several Sydney suburbs, fighting with police and smashing 40 cars with sticks and bats, police said. Thirty-one people were injured and 16 were arrested in hours of violence Sunday. The city was calm Monday, and police formed a strike force to track down the instigators, some of whom were believed to be from white supremacist groups. Police said they were also seeking an Arab man who allegedly stabbed a white man in the back. Prime Minister John Howard condemned the violence, but said he did not believe racism was widespread in Australia. "Attacking people on the basis of their race, their appearance, their ethnicity, is totally unacceptable and should be repudiated by all Australians irrespective of their own background and their politics," Howard said. But he added: "I'm not going to put a general tag (of) racism on the Australian community." Australia has long prided itself on accepting wave after wave of immigrants — from Italians and Greeks after World War II to families fleeing political strife in the Middle East and Southeast Asia. In the last census in 2001, nearly a quarter of Australia's 20 million people said they were born overseas. However, tensions between youngsters of Arabic descent and white Australians have been rising in recent years, largely because of anti-Muslim sentiment fueled by the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks in the United States and deadly bombings on the Indonesian island of Bali that killed 88 Australians in October 2002. About 300,000 Muslims live in Australia, the majority in large cities. "Arab Australians have had to cope with vilification, racism, abuse and fear of a racial backlash for a number of years, but these riots will take that fear to a new level," said Roland Jabbour, chairman of the Australian Arabic Council. The riots apparently began after rumors circulated that youths of Lebanese descent were responsible for an attack last weekend on two lifeguards at Cronulla Beach. Police said the assault was not believed to be racially motivated. Police had increased the number of officers patrolling the beach in the Sydney suburb on Sunday after cell phone text messages urged people to gather there to retaliate for the attack. Police said more than 5,000 white youths, some wrapped in Australian flags and chanting racist slurs, fought with police, attacked people they believed to be of Arab descent and assaulted a pair of paramedics trying to help people escape the riot. Police fought back with batons and pepper spray. Many of the youths had been drinking heavily, police said. One white teenager had the words "We grew here, you flew here" painted on his back. Someone had written "100 percent Aussie pride" in the sand. TV broadcasts showed a group of young women attacking another woman, whose ethnicity was not clear. The violence shocked this city of 4 million which prides itself on being a cultural melting pot. "What we have seen yesterday is something I thought I would never see in Australia and perhaps we have not seen in Australia in any of our life times and that is a mass call to violence based on race," Community Relations Commission chairman Stepan Kerkyasharian told Sky News. "Our disgrace," said a front page headline in Sydney's Daily Telegraph. Below was a picture of white youths attacking a man who appeared to be of Arab descent on a train in Cronulla. Keysar Trad, a prominent member of Sydney's Lebanese community, said he had spoken to one victim who was released from the hospital Monday and was urging for calm. "He doesn't want any retaliation by anybody from a Middle Eastern background," Trad said. "He wants everyone to allow the rule of law to take its course, leave it to the police and he said he holds no grudges against anyone." Morris Iemma, the premier of New South Wales state, said police would use video images and photographs to track down the instigators. "Let's be very clear, the police will be unrelenting in their fight against these thugs and hooligans," he said. Cronulla, one of the few beaches in Sydney that is easily accessible by train, is often visited by youngsters from poorer suburbs, many of them of Arab descent. Residents accuse the youths of traveling in gangs and sometimes intimidating other beachgoers. Cronulla is several miles south of iconic Sydney beaches like Bondi and is not a popular destination for foreign tourists. Aborigines rioted in the Sydney neighborhood of Redfern in February 2004 after blaming police for the death of a 17-year-old boy. Forty police were wounded, eight of them hospitalized, in a nine-hour street battle with residents. Misery Called Life Crazy $hit! When will a little common sense prevail? PointGiven Common sense? That's wishful thinking I presume. These things are part of life, just as we breath air or eat. Not everybody uses his/her brain properly or has the same abilities as others. It's a fact of life. Of course, my opinion only. Chocoholic The third 'cut and paste' is years old! John Howard isn't even in power anymore! Although these actions are horrific and uncalled for, I have to be blunt and to the point and say that given Australia's super tough immigration laws and how hard they make it for people to move there, and the upfront 'Live our way or don't come at all' message. It's pretty obvious that many Aussies are intolerant of people of other nationalities and backgrounds. They don't want people going to their country. When I visited a few years ago, I barely saw anyone of any other colour other than white, any other nationality etc. And people are surprised by these things? Makes you wonder. worldguy Choc, you got to be kidding me. Seriously lady, just do a simple google search and you will realise how many expats have made Australia their home. Australia always had a high number of Asian population, including Arabs. Lebs went to Australia years back after their civil war.

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Chocoholic Only in certain parts of the large cities, in the suburbs it's white mans land. Sure there's lots of Lebanese, Greeks etc. But it's well known Australia is very tough to get into. If you have a skill/trade great if not, forget it. Plus WG, and I don't mind that I'm the only one the guts to say it, the reason so many Brits and other Europeans are moving to Oz is to get away from the immigration problem in their own countries. I know for a fact that's exactly the reason why most people I know have emigrated there. Misery Called Life
Totally comply with what you say.
There is an urgent need to revamp immigration policies. So much that has not been accounted for. You see it don't matter what scholars and great human rights activists say. Ultimately it boils down to adaptability and feasibility.
One of the future problems immigration officers will be confronted with is demographic dividends. While the natives in many parts of Europe are fast becoming an aging workforce, the immigrants will be young, freshly educated and brimming with energy. That is bound to create friction amongst natives anywhere. It has to be seen how those issues are addressed. puppypup I was in Australia late last year. I had a great time. People were so nice and helpful. I loved my kangaroo fillet and pizza. Australia has some of the best food I've ever had even better than the fresh foods of Latin America and that's saying a lot. Yet I'm white but then I'm often mistaken as non-white. Either way...whatever they thought I was..... I didn't experience racism or other prejudice. Speedhump I read a few years ago that the right wing nationalist party had a lot of support, with a lady in charge, although not enough to get into power. Is the country becoming more facist? I really don't know, just asking, as I have no knowledge on this at all. Looks a real shame though. Went to Brisbane a few years back and loved it, homely honest people, straight as a die. Speedhump Thanks for the very frank open comments Captain. Like many places, a small but loud minority willing to take nasty action make big headlines. I'm sure most people there are appalled as you say. Also it's interesting what you say about previous waves of immigrants becoming racist themselves. Unfortunately maybe that's one of the worse side effects of immigrants actually being successfully integrated into the culture of a country and feeling at home there? :) If Australia put up the barriers to more immigration during the economic problems I don't blame them. p.s. what happened against the Kiwis at Murrayfield today? You guys didn't turn up! :) rudeboy guess the brits and aussies are alike when it comes to racism ;) "An Englishman, an Irishman and an Australian walk into a bar. The barman says, "Is this some kind of bloody joke?" puppypup
I don't get it. Is the barman from Pakistan? Misery Called Life
:lol: :lol: :D michaeldubai saw the video of the beating up on the news. I dont know how the authorities can term too many attacks in a short period anything but racist. It is embarassing for the govt to make irresponsible statements. I hear a lot of blogs have come up in australia against asians now. If they are spewing hate, Australia is one dangerous place to be for Asians....
Speedhump
Yep that's right, no other nationality has racists.
Jerk. worldguy It is some shocking stuff, but what surprised me was how the Western media pushed this under the carpet. I knew the media was censored, but to this extent is not right. Its only now that BBC has started to report this. Then I checked for some other instances and realised that media did not cover that as well. Maybe people who have faced this attack need to do a check for themselves on similar lines. Is this an attack directed by some thugs towards all and maybe one nationality suffered more, but they were not alone? Just like Indians, not all aussies can be labelled as x or y. There are good and bad in all countries. The Australian govt. has to accept the blame as they invited various nationalities without education the incoming immigrants or its citizens about multi cultural. They just threw everybody in the pot without realising the consequences. It would help if the various embassies actually conducted sessions to educate immigrants or students on Australian culture and style of living. This will help bridge the gap and people coming to Australia will be able to mix well. Speedhump
A bit of a blanket statement with no backup information. Which media are censored?
BBC online from 2008:
Australian racism 'still serious'
Guardian online from 2003:
Wake up Australia, racism is a problem
NY Times online from 2005:
Australia Asks if Racism Was Behind Riots on a Beach
Where is the censorship? You are a bit blinkered by your prejudices about 'western media' I think mate. As are many people here. Captain Australia Yeah, I think looking for a conspiracy is a bit much, but the blame lies much more with the government and not the media. (obviously the blame also lies with the racist ****heads making trouble too) I follow the Aussie media very closely and I can assure you that this latest story about Indian students being attacked has been reported in great depth for months. The riots in Cronulla was one of the biggest news stories of the year and people still talk about it regularly. It's much more the government refusing to admit there is a problem. For some reason they think that admitting there are racist people in Australia will cause the sky to fall in or something. All forms of discrimination are caused by ignorance; education and openness is clearly the answer. I will add here that Australia has some very tough Anti Racial Vilification laws (anti racism laws) and which can even carry a jail sentence. Some bloke in Perth the other day got charged with them for making hate speeches about Jews on youtube. If you are charged with an offence and it is determined to be racially motivated then you are in very big trouble. So don't look for OMG WESTERN MEDIA CONSPIRACY here. It's just racist people being racist, and when they catch these people they will throw the book at them. worldguy You missed my point speedy. What I am trying to say is that the media did not cover it initially, but they also did not cover similar stories that happened elsewhere as it was not perceived to be big enough. It also highlighted that what I initially felt, was different from the actual reality. Thus, the Indian students are not the only ones being targetted and in general the crime is becoming a bigger problem in Australia. I read on various blogs on how even white were attacked in the night. There are certain areas in Australia that need to be avoided, like in any other country. Maybe there is more to this, than just being a racial attack. Captain Australia
And I'm telling you they did. The Aussie riots were covered extensively all around the world.
When I heard of these latest attacks on Indian students my initial reaction was "Wow, more attacks, what is going on in Melbourne" because I have been hearing about it in the media for a long time.
Right now the Australian politicians and high up police are being smashed by the media because of their failure to acknowledge these issues. You can fault Australia for a lot, but our media is one of the freest in the world. We even a TV show that specifically scrutinise the media itself. It's called .
The few times I've heard of media bias being an issue was when Kerry Packer died. He was a billionaire media owner and there were concerns that some papers and tv shows were being too nice to him after he died because he owned lots of media outlets. But the very fact that I read about these issues IN THE MEDIA means I don't think we have too much to worry about.
So forget about the media, attack the government. That's what I do. Most of my blog is about how stupid the Australian Government is being. :-) Speedhump
As the Captain says, I don't think any media anywhere has ignored this, even if it was 'not big enough' as you suggested (which would be far from being censorship anyway).
I'm only really coming back again to say that of course the Australian press also is 'western' despite its geographical location (the Captain has said 'western' himself in relation to the Aussie press :)). No point being made, just amuses me; small things and small minds, etc. :D Captain Australia Hey, if you go west far enough, everyone is western. ;-) Speedhump you got that right, but does that also mean we're eastern....? :idea: Misery Called Life I've been reading about these attacks in the media and I've come away a little confused. 50,000 Indian students in Melbourne alone. A handful have fallen prey to outrageous racially motivated attacks. The perpetrators I presume are arrested. So what is the hue and cry about. Read blogs before the incident everyone was fine with Melbourne. Things were OK! Then the incident takes place, it becomes a political issue in India and the next thing you know tens of thousands are vilifying the Oz. There was a huge Indian rally in Melbourne yesterday. None of the speakers had any apparent problems prior to the attacks. They had issues with the media not highlighting the issue enough. In fact that was their main plank.Ridiculous! This IS A ONE OFF INCIDENT. 50,000 live peacefully year round why the noise? Send a 100 whites to India and 10 will come back raped. You don't see massive protests and rallies then. Because everyone realizes that a few miscreants cannot hold an entire community liable. When a crime against a foreign national happens in India and justice is so hard to come by, Indian foreign minister always use the population card. We are a billion people, few are damaging the good name of our society blah blah. Then the cops will come out with a statement maligning the victims character. Just a few weeks back a Russian teen was found raped and murdered in Goa. Few months prior to that a German teen and few months prior to that A Brit teen was gang raped and murdered. There are countless incidents. This is nothing but politicization. Indians see that they are so many of them and they take recourse in their huge numbers. The incident need to be condemned, but straining the image of a beautiful country like Australia over one incident? Is uncalled for. I condemn the incidents, I also condemn the uncivil Indian protests. I will say this, there is an issue which has to be tackled. There has to be a constructive way out of this! rudeboy
u r philipino so i dont blame u :D Speedhump So as well as Brits and Aussies being racist, Indians being corrupt and also like cockroaches, Filipinos are stupid. Your list of racist comments grows wonderfully for a non-racist. ;) Readers can go to the 'Muslim mother excluded from school' thread if they are wondering what this is about. Or not....it's pretty boring. rahulwitty
misery ... hope someone gets you with a petrol bomb or throws u under a train or u prefer the Screwdriver .. :wink: ... and then would love to hear u say the same thing... "This IS A ONE OFF INCIDENT. 50,000 live peacefully year round.. why the noise?" ... :)
and it is not a ONE OFF INCIDENT ... do ur homework .. :)
no one is saying that all Aussie's are racists .... there are definitely great people there ... Cappy for instance :)... but it's a problem that people are facing there and it needs to be addressed.
and lastly, you think just coz Indians were a lot in number... they had the rally get a kick out of it... ?????? :)
"Until the problem starts affecting YOUR life... it's never a big deal" :) Misery Called Life
Blah Blah Blah RW, as usual you will blindly follow the crowd!
Lets wait and watch. Ultimately the exodus from Australia if there is any should paint a true story!
Offcourse in the meantime we can continue with our
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The exodus? Really? You think most of those 50 thousand Indian students are going to give up their degrees because of this? I highly doubt it mate.
Australia is a relatively safe country, but we still have our fair share of muggings and random beatings. I've been assaulted a few times by random strangers (usually drunks) and I've been mugged once, and I'm a 6'4" white guy. So 'easy targets' like an Indian student, new to the country getting the train home late I would expect to have a fair number of muggings statistically. So I'm guessing that a lot of these attacks are just that, opportunistic crime.
That doesn't mean it's right, I'm just looking at the underlying factors. And it doesn't absolve the Police and University for not tackling the problem.
But clearly some of these are purely racist attacks. I think maybe the racists thugs of Melbourne got sick of trying to attack the Lebanese (and getting their arses kicked) so they're going for an easier target. But they're not too bright these racist types, so who knows what's going through their little brains.
ALSO - That Andrew Bolt blog you linked to - What an idiot. That's what I mean when I say some Australians get way too defensive about being called racist. What wrong with saying "I'm not racist, but yes, there are racist people in Australia" rahulwitty
"Blah Blah Blah" ?????? i can't really argue with that.. :)
hmmm.... first off .... did u even understand what i wrote ?
i am not saying that Australians are all racists .... have i ? I did not even mention "racism" in my post as the problem... :) and moreover, the attackers are people from other countries as well .... which most likely would have been "opportunistic attacks" ... :) hell, even i would be robbed in India if a situation arose... hehe
Racism exists everywhere you go .... even in India .... that's a part of life ..... but there is a limit when it comes to people getting injured and killed.
Neither do i advocate violent rallies... whatever the cause may be ... but yes, I definitely do advocate "peaceful" rallies and people should stand up against injustice, their rights and their beliefs.
This is definitely a PROBLEM affecting people (not just indians) there... and if they finally decide to do something about it ... then it's a good thing ... why are you getting so worked up over that ? :)
If this was a small issue.... why are the Leaders from both countries getting into it... why would the media give it so much importance ? Maybe you should enlighten them about how small the issue is ... :)
Read both the links that you have posted... both of them openly admit that these people are victimised there ... the only doubts raised is "why" ?
Misery, when YOU need to have to worry about being abused, stabbed, robbed and physically assulted while walking down the street or even while sitting at ur own home ... then only would you know what they are going thru .... :)
Andrew Bolt .. sounds like an idiot ... he is "naturally sympathetic to the cause" .... but it's all "baseless" ... lol .... sigh !!! Misery Called Life
You such an opportunistic debater. You agree with me, yet to curse and rant. What a stupid way to make an argument:-

Anyways apart from your diatribes you seem to agree with me!
So I guess that's that. End of discussion!
Oh and yea Indian leaders made a big deal about Big Brother as well, yet they are so cautious to label LTTE a terrorist organization , I think everyone knows how opportunistic they are! rahulwitty
lol .... pulling one line and quoting me out-of-context is a very sly move .. and where is the line right after that ???? :)

"misery ... hope someone gets you with a petrol bomb or throws u under a train or u prefer the Screwdriver .. Wink ... and then would love to hear u say the same thing... "This IS A ONE OFF INCIDENT. 50,000 live peacefully year round.. why the noise?" ... "
and nooooooo ...... i do not agree with the way you think ... and when did i "curse and rant" ?????? .. lol ... why do u get so worked up when someone does not agree with you ??????? :)
lol ... Big Brother is a stupid TV show (which i have never bothered to watch !!) ... have it ever occured to you that it was done as part of PR to promote the show ????? ....plssssss !!! ... on so many shows celebrities have used racial slurs by mistake or on purpose... and that became a big hype ... for eg. recent Britain's Prince Harry made some racial remark ..... who really cares about that ??????... lol ... that does not bother u, but when an Indian is involved you are all guns ... lol
and LTTE ... is not a terrorist organisation ???? ... :) what are they then ? Do your homework before shooting your mouth off ... they did not start off as one but ended up as one.. :) Chocoholic Well I kinda have to agree with MCL on this. These kinds of things happen the world over and there is normally no rhyme or reason for it, other than those doing the attacks, simply don't like you. But yes you do have a reputation for rallying and protersting at the drop of a hat and burning effigies of people for no real reason. Does that help the issue to villify everyone and tar everyone with the same brush? No not really. Yet you let horrific atrocities occur in your own country, like women having acid thrown over them, being mutilated etc and do nothing. Why don't you concentrate on the issues in your own back yard and let the authorities in Australia deal with the issues there. Misery Called Life
Do I have to spell out everything for you? Sheesh

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Did I deny that the LTTE is not a terrorist organization. Did I praise Big Brother?
I merely pointed out to the opportunistic and petty ways of the Indian government after you brought the topic up. The Aussie government will naturally reply after the hue and cry made by the Indian gov.
And why would I quote you out of context? in both your posts you make a veiled reference hoping that such misfortune fall upon others. I merely pointed it out.
So before you shoot your mouth off, I suggest you first read and understand my posts! rahulwitty
chocoholic.... firstly, i clearly said that i do not advocate violent rallies .... do u want me to repeat that again ? :)
moreover, this buring effigies happened in India.... not in Australia .. :) In Australia, what happened were 2 seperate peaceful rallies :) So basically what you are talking about happened in "our backyard", so in ur own words ... you don't have to concentrate on those issues ... hehe ... :)
women having acid thrown on them... mutilation ??????..lol.. which country does not have all these crimes against society ?????? may i ask which PERFECT country do u come from ? :)
MY POINT IS ....... the people who conducted PEACEFUL rallies in Australia did it for a reason, coz they were worried for their OWN LIVES ... they have a valid reason ... and let them do what they think will help ......
why are you and Misery getting worked up over that ???? :)
Like you said, "Why don't you concentrate on the issues in your own back yard and let the authorities in Australia deal with the issues there." It's none of ur friggin business either :)
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/ rahulwitty
hmm ... listen carefully.... students are getting attacked there as we speak ..... so there is a reason for the "hue and cry by the Indian Govt" ... :)
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and i do not wish it upon anyone else (stop putting words in my mouth) ... all i said is, i would love to hear ur opinion IF something would have happened to you personally ????? :) maybe after that... you would learn to be a lil more empathatic for a fellow human...
I think you learned a new word today "opportunistic" ... coz i see u use it non-stop... lol
Please stop resorting cheap tricks of bringing new meaning to what i am saying (in both your posts you make a veiled reference hoping that such misfortune fall upon others) ... stick to the subject ... :)
and honestly, what does Big Brother have to do with something remotely important ????? ... lol Misery Called Life I think you should be renamed RahulDimwit
I brought up big brother to highlight the fact that the Indian government made a hue and cry about that as well. You just can't take everything they say seriously, because by and large their actions are politically motivated.
You have failed to understand the crux of the issue.
No one denies the fact that the incidents were outrageous. But you need to understand that these issues happen, in every country(as you pointed out) and are resolved Internally!
If India wanted to voice their concern it could have been done in a civil way. Because India-Australia relations go far. And by and large relations have been warm and cordial.
The Indian media as you should know by now, loves a scapegoat. It's business for them. You guys always succumb to their over the top sensationalist journalism.
If your so concerned about human right violations then you must condemn atrocities against foreigners in India as well. Racism faced by African students in India. Racism faced by students from ?
I'm sure you're aware of the racial chants Aussie Aborigine cricket Andrew Symonds was subjected to by Indian fans.
But I doubt you'll bother condemning any of the above issues. You are simply an opportunistic debater.
This peaceful rally your talking about, took place in Federation Square, Melbourne's city hub, bringing life to a standstill. They blocked traffic, vandalized public property and eventually 18 were detained. So much for peaceful rallies. The Aussie police showed considerable restraint as the rally was brought to an end after the overnight protest. These things are commonplace in India, rioting, ransacking public property and incurring considerable losses to the state exchequer. Your probably right on one count, by Indian standards they were peaceful, But don't expect Australia to tolerate such nonsense.
The simple fact is that the Aussie government stands for equality. Indians want preferential treatment because of their large numbers. That's why there is a veiled message: watch out or we'll take our business elsewhere.
michaeldubai
you sound like a Tourism agent promoting AUstralia. At the same time you sound like a Pakistani politican vilifying India. Jack of all trades - master of none Misery Called Life At the end of the day one can only hope that the grievances of the students are addressed. Racism needs to be tackled. And lets hope that unnecessary politicization can be averted. And as of now we can only pray for the victim battling for life and hope justice is rendered. But I'm curious... How will things play out? Will there be a fall in students enrolling? Will they be a rise in student transfers from Australia elsewhere? Will the Indian government put it's money where it's mouth is and issue some sort of travel advisory warning regarding future students in Australia? Not that it may be necessary at all, But considering the hype, Just how far will the government go? Or will it just be all talk? Which is actually what I presume. The matter will die down, the government will have won a few brownie points and everything will go back to normal. So let's wait and watch! Cos if one remembers only recently Australia issues a travel warning to Australians against going to India. Even the Aussie Davis Cup team forfeited their Indian leg which supposed to be held in Chennai. Captain Australia
I know you were just pondering here, but I thought I'd put things into a little perspective regarding travel warnings. are some of the listings on the Australian travel advisory website about India.

We have our problems, but come on? Misery Called Life Dude just last month Australia refused to send their Davis Cup team to India. Look every country has their reservations and their own problems. I'm NOT debating that. My bone of contention is with RahulWitty, that the Indian Government and media are blatantly politicizing the issue, just to win a few brownie points. It's all talk and most likely nothing will come off it. As of now we can only wait and watch! Captain Australia
Yeah, I was just pointing out the reasons behind the Australian travel warning about India, and how you could hardly say they were political. (not that you were saying that, I'm just throwing more information out there)
As to what you're saying, I agree, wait and see. puppypup
I don't get it? Who's Filipino? The barman? I'm of English and Irish ancestry rudeboy but don't get the joke....must be centuries of distance from my English colonial ancestors original homeland. Captain Australia
Please don't derail another thread with this crap. We're talking about Aussie racism. And yes, I'm talking to both of you. puppypup ^Leave me alone. He said something hurtful so I fought back. I contributed in the beginning of the thread. I've gone through abuse on this forum being racially abused because I stand up for having European ancestry and not being Asian even if I woke up tomorrow morning looking like Jackie Chan. I originally said I liked Australia and didn't encounter racism but YOU make me wonder if Australia was just an illusion. Captain Australia Fair enough. I'm a racist. Let's continue. michaeldubai
Thats a pretty dumb statement. just because acid attacks on women occur in their country doesnt mean that their govt is liable to sit quiet over its citizens being abused in another. You're justifying the "racist" attack through an unrelated event.
Face it - Australians have been in trouble time and again especially in sports (i.e. cricket) and this is a well known fact. their racist comments on the field are common. Captain Australia
True, but please don't judge a whole country based on some meatheads who can swing a piece of wood quite well. Sportsmen aren't famous for their intelligence.
Just know this. There are racist people in Australia, BUT, racial discrimination is illegal and can carry heavy penalties. There are many options open to someone who is vilified because of their race and the media is free to report on all such incidences. I admit the government and police have a way to go on these issues, but the systems are in place to deal with it. We just need to admit there is a problem and start dealing with it.
That said, I think Australia holds up pretty well against the rest of the world in being progressive about racism.
At the end of the day you can't control people's thoughts, but you can set clear boundaries and educate people. That is the solution. Misery Called Life Peaceloving Indian People. Damn I was scared for that reporter. She handled the situation extremely well. Power to her The fact is mob mentality is very prevalent in India. This is a very common form of Indian protest. When 1000's get together in Melbourne under the guise of a peaceful rally, the cops had best be alert. So when We talk violence you guy's know what I'm insinuating. Misery Called Life My above post was sensationalist and uncalled for. But that's exactly how the incident was reported in Indian Press. Over the top meant to sensationalize and shock! You see it's very easy to distort and put things out of perspective.So should one take the above incidents and start a thread warning one not to travel to India? Rahul Witty assess the situation without all the debris. Maybe then will logic prevail! worldguy
Cap well said and thanks for pointing few points. I have stopped reacting to this any more as people have just lost purpose of what they wanted to achieve. The Australians and Indians in general have just lost the plot and instead of trying to find ways to tackle this issue, they have just gone out to blame each other. Nobody will win this battle except few more idi*ts wasteing their time. The problem across the world is with education and its the educated lot that is always the party that is raci*st or discriminatory. UAE is a prime example of that. worldguy
You are wrong MCL. Each time such an incident takes place, there is a big cry in India and more often than not the criminals have been punished and I must add quite harshly. The Russian and German teen was really sad, but please read the full details into the Brit's teen and her mom leaving her by herself. There is more to it than that meets the eye mate.
Also the Indians complained because the attacks went out of control as the economic slow down hit Australia as well. Even though Australia is one of the few countries doing better than others. The mistake Indians did was that they termed these attacks against themselves, where as from the blogs I read, I found it was directed towards non-whites. I could be wrong as I am just reading various blogs and people going all out to make this as a big deal.
The best solution is for the government to fix these issues. The government is inviting people into Australia without trying to bridge the cultural gap. It is like inviting a vege guest to your house and serving him Non-veg meal. If the guest compains, you turn around and say, if you do not like the food, please leave. Don't invite them in the first place.
In UAE, most of the people I know have felt some discrimination from Australians and not from Brtis and Americans. Again, it could be one off cases and things get branded. worldguy
You do have a set mindset against Indians. This time around the crimes were a lot serious and hit the educated students who were there to better their careers. Who knows, you could face that someday and then maybe you will realise the pain and humilation. You are offended by somebody buring an effigy, but people getting hurt, stabbed and burnt is fine. Way to go MCL. Misery Called Life

Fair Enough WG. Point Noted!
And please don't justify the murder of the Brit teen. You're whole argument came down because of that.
Second argument,

Which incident you talking about?
And no I have nothing against Indians. Sheesh. It's just that the country is so diverse, sometimes I target a few and it may come off that I'm anti-India. This time round my rant was against political class and the media.
Period! rahulwitty
sorry... was busy at work with meetings .... back now...
RahulDimWit ???????... lool ... am i supposed to feel hurt or it was supposed to be funny.. ?????? ... hehe
Misery, why do u really care what the Indian Govt or politicians in India get out of it ???? ... lol ... and i seriously do not see them benefitting in any major way ... :) but yes, even if they are benefitted in their own way ... i would be fine with it as long as the Indian students in Australia are being helped ... :)
the issue here is ... non-whites are getting assaulted in Australia and it's not just by few Australians but even other nationalities.... from the people getting assaulted, the Indian group of students chose to have a rally... so as it bring their plight to the media notice, so that some kind of action can be taken to ensure their SAFETY ... :)
what exactly about this is getting ur undies in a knot ?????? ... hehe
"But you need to understand that these issues happen, in every country(as you pointed out) and are resolved Internally! "
misery, tomm if your a*s is thrown in Dubai jail (which happens more than you would believe) and there is nothing which your family and friends can do to help you .. wouldn't u want your Govt to interfere and help you out ??????? this is what all Govts do... be it the UK, USA or Australian Govts... they will do what they can to ensure that their citizens are safe in other countries as well ........ as it is the Indian Govt does not do much for it's people here (referring to the plight of labourers ... don't start on that now)... they might as well start doing something atleast ... and they would not have interferred probably of the Indian students in Australia did not bring the issue to the media attention by going on a rally .........
Again, why are you all guns when it comes to pointing fingers at India ???? ..lol... don't ruin all topics by going on and on with ur anti-indian remarks .... look at what the subject is ... and stick to it... lol
btw..... are you PAKI ?
GET A LIFE !!! EVEN IF IT IS A "MISERABLE" ONE ... lol worldguy
I am dead sure about this one as this is not the first time she came to India. Anyway she is not with the world any more and thus I will not like to talk about somebody who is not there.
Second argument,

Which incident you talking about?
And no I have nothing against Indians. Sheesh. It's just that the country is so diverse, sometimes I target a few and it may come off that I'm anti-India. This time round my rant was against political class and the media.
Period!
Fair enough and I agree that educated people have started to raise lot of issues now and there are bodies being formed all around. India has changed a lot since 1990's, but yet has a long way to go. Indians are very emotional people and equally sensitive (one quality that does more harm than good), thus do over react. Also the emergence of regional parties was not a good sign, but the current elections have clearly reflected that regional parties can not use their arm twisting tactics to gather support or votes.
In respect of Davis Cup, that was just hog wash. Seriously it did not make sense when the other sports was attracting people from different nationalities. I feel Australia started that as a trend and the sportsman from Australia have been famous for making racial comments and they are a reflection of the society.
Though I have known a few Australians and do feel they get into trouble because they are blunt and up front. They do not mean harm, but its the way the society is, very competitive. Cap is another example of a typical Australian and that reflects quite well. He is a good man.



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