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Smoking inside shopping malls.


A64Venice What do you all think about the right given to people to smoke indoors, especially in Shopping Malls?
MaaaD disgusting.. there should be no smoking in malls .. benwj I feel that people have a right to smoke and I can tollerate people smoking in the mall itself, but this country has a large percentage of inconsiderate people and they ignore the no-smoking signs in the food courts as well. I feel that a total ban is the only way that it can be policed. And if this fails, you can always resort to passing wind in the offending smokers vicinity. Just make sure that you have plenty of baked beans before you go to the mall. I should probably check before doing this, because I know that you can be deported for making rude gestures in the UAE. Does anyone know if you can be deported for farting in someones face? Sara1983 ban ban ban ban! even though I smoke sometimes! ^_^ just my bady put down times I guess!!!! ajb Agreed ban it .... people have to work in the shopping malls ..... I know Id be pretty peaved if someone started smoking in my office everyday Palkid7
Well 2 years back they did ban it, yet after 2 days only they allowed smoking !! :evil:
In Turkey, around 80% of the population are smokers yet smoking in public places is not allowed at all and everybody repect that ! :!: ajb here in NZ you can't even smoke in bars anymore ..... works well people just go outside to smoke. Moester no smoking in bars? man that's like taking away half the fun of being in a bar. ajb yeah also without the smell of smoke some bars can smell pretty nasty (mix of stale alcohol and sweaty people ... ewww) but it came about because you can't smoke in any work place here and people have to work in bars too. ajb whats the Shisha tobaccoI keep hearing about?

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Sara1983
Oh thats great smokers deserve, cause they don't just hurt themselves
they hurt others as well...... selfish XRW-147 Will never happen... again. Sara1983
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they say it is just like cigar but got better taste!!!!
I Don't know!! Liban If the government decides it wants to interfere in our lives then it should start with rent controls. Sara1983
Things start step by step bud Liban
Rent controls are more important. Sara1983
Oh yeah more than the innocent humans life & health, huh :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :?: MaaaD
they have already interefered there. arniegang For all you newbies in Dubai, this is nothing new, it has beeen tried before. In late 2004/early 2005 the government did indeed impose a ban on smoking in all public places like malls etc. It didnt last very long !!!!! Most of the coffee shops nearly went broke.
Liban Controlling smoking in Dubai is as farcicle as saying the Charles Mason was a visionary! :o arniegang :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sara1983 Oh yeah we know of that banning that been stopped Money Rules the World & peoples minds these days everyone seem crazy about how much money they'll get!!! Moester
what's wrong with that? Sara1983
Money is ruling the world, thats what is wrong bud!!!!! dbxsoul a very laudable idea. as arnie said it was tried and revoked after two days. there were a number of issues involving the implementation of the the system. a coffee shop owner for instance will have about as much authority to fine or hold a patron who continues to smoke despite being warned as an Emaar security guard. all they can do is report the matter to the police or the municipality who whould then send out someone to fine the offender. if you are lucky they may send someone the same week. they may not hold or detain the person against his will - he is not even obliged to give them his name. can you imagine trying to detain a local lady in traditional dress???? secondly, most of the people who complained about the implimentation of the ban were uae nationals. this again causes all manner of problems for the propriator of the businesses who were trying to enforce the ban. i should also point out that the ban was imposed with about 1 weeks notice - from the time it was published in the papers. Approximatley 50% of the uae smokes. Chocoholic I don't think people should be allowed to smoke in any public places. I mean in some of the malls there are designated smoknig areas, but people selfishly refuse to stick to them. I hate the people who wander round the malls with a cigarette in their hand, I've been burnt several times by these inconsiderate morons. Plus who wants to follow them in the wake of smoke, it's foul. I was in Starbucks recently, in the no smoking section and one idiot plonks his fat ugly arse down and lights up! I mean the selfishness of some of these people is unbelievable. I went to a friends birthday the other night and my boyfriend and I were the only ones not smoking. But what really ticked me off was that the smoked constantly throughout the meal blowing smoke all voer the food - I mean hello!!!!!! Some people have no brain. Also Shisha smoking is like having 10 fags all at once! Wafaey
I totally agree with you.
The problem also with malls is that to alot of ppl this is a cheap and affordable way to spend the night or even sometimes the whole day. Malls here aren't just for shopping therefore banning smoking in them will have a great impact on stores sales hence NO GOOD Chocoholic It's got nothing to do with the Government having control on your life. It's to do with smokers not being selfish and threatening the lives of others who choose not to smoke. Plus the using malls as entertainment doesn't wash with me either, what you can't even go for a couple of hours without killing yourself - pathetic! Smoking is foul! If you wish to smoke then you should do it in a place only for smokers and out of public places. What right do you have to force a child to breathe in your filth? Smokers are selfish - period! MaaaD
Liban can tell us more about how that feels :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: A64Venice
Believe it or not, but a recent study done on no-tobacco day indicated that one Shisha is equivalent to smoking 100 Cigarettes. This was on radio 2 weeks back.
This is no joke. arniegang Power to smokers We have rights too :P :P :P :P :P Liban
You've already had 10 fags take you at the same time??? :shock: MaaaD
sorry but this bullshit .. there isnt one scientfic study on this subject yet. All the stuff you will hear will be from "health officials". Not one research study has been conducted at an impartial university yet ! ... i would love to see a med school study on this. GoodBai One in two long-term smokers will die prematurely as a result of their habit and in the UK 114,000 are killed by smoking every year. Worldwide almost 5 million people die prematurely each year as a result of smoking, most from lung cancer, chronic obstructive lung disease and coronary heart disease. Now I don't mind if people want to make an informed choice and decide to stand in front of that ten-tonne truck of death and illness hurtling towards them but I just don't want them dragging me in there with them. Let people smoke where they want AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT OTHER PEOPLE. I've chosen to keep my lungs clean and I have the right to keep it that way so without question smoking should be banned in public places. The more enlightened nations are going down the path of a ban to save people's lives. Oh and by the way fellas... it can also help to make you impotent and lower your sperm count to boot. And anyone who doesn't think shisha is harmful has got their head stuck well and truly in the sand dunes. benwj This is getting a bit too technical for me. I just need to know if I can be jailed and deported for farting in a smokers face. GoodBai If he's got a box of matches or lighter in his hand at the time you get a week in hospital with scorched arse :D MaaaD

no one said anything about shisha not being harmful, driving down SZR is hamrful. What i am interested in, is the amount of harm involved and how it compares with cigarettes, cigars, and pipes. There is no research done that i know of. ajb
To make the bans work here we put the responsibility on the venue not the smoker .... i.e. if a bar is found to be breaching the no smoking laws then they get fined heavily. This way it is clearly within their best interest to enforce the law and remove anyone who breaks it. There was alot of protest but when the big day came it really made very little difference - the bars etc did not lose money like they were all claiming etc
I have no problem with people having the right to smoke but it should not be at the expense of someones right not to inhale 2nd hand smoke. Chocoholic
Not when your smoke infringes another persons right to breathe clean air you don't!
If you want to pollute your lungs, do it in an enclosed box somewhere we don't have to breathe it in.
Sadly Arnie, smoke knows no boundaries. arniegang and non smokers have a choice to mix with smokers - it cuts both ways :P :P :P :P Liban We need a "final solution" to all these whiny non smokers. We need to round them up and send them to some remote island off coast of Africa somewhere and that way we smokers can puff away all we want :D arniegang Great idea Liban Shisha's rule 8) 8) 8) 8) Liban
Woo Hoo! ^ian^
Well to be fair, the temperature never hits 43 degrees in New Zealand as it is in Dubai today. Dubai is an indoors country, and forcing smokers into the heat is just going to make them more resistant.
How about smoking zones, and I don't mean the dingy little rooms they have at international airports. I mean designated areas where you can smoke, and designated areas where you can't. Make the areas large, liberal, air-conditioned... and hey, even let the non-smokers in.
I'll resist mentioning that they banned smoking in NZ pubs because the smell clinged to the sheeps wool. :P kanelli
Arnie hun, I've only had dinner with you outdoors so you could smoke there. If we ever sit indoors it will have to be in the non-smoking section or there will be no dinner. :D ^ian^ On another note with respect to what is categorised as a smoking related death: If you eat 20 cheeseburgers and 2 litres of coke a day and smoke, if you die of a heart attack, this is a smoking related death. If you worked in an aluminium smelter and smoke, even if its the bauxite dust that kills you, the emphysima and cancer will go down as a smoking related death. If you're a bus/truck/transport driver and frequently breathe in exhaust fumes, and smoke, and you die of restricted arteries / lung cancer - this is a smoking related death. The fact is, you could be in all 3 of the above and NOT smoke, and still die. It amazes me people spit daggers at smokers for passive smoke, and don't think twice of what else is in the air. ^ian^
You could always sit in the kids party area. kanelli
:?: XRW-147 As in people wouldn't be smoking there... But then again this is Dubai. kanelli
Bad eating habits are another issue. No one holds a person down and force feeds them cheeseburgers. Eating cheeseburgers doesn't pollute another person's body in the near vicinity. Some governments are considering sin taxes and health initatives to reduce obesity because both obesity and smoking take a large toll on health care systems.
Have you considered the concentration of second hand smoke? If someone smokes in your face you are breathing in a higher concentration of noxious fumes. It smells bad, makes your eyes water, and causes distress of the lungs. If you are in the middle of a traffic jam on the highway or a parking garage with your windows down, then you'd experience similar unpleasantness. However, if you are inside a building with air conditioning you don't experience the same concentration of pollutants. It isn't logical to say that there are pollutants in the environment anyway, so I should be allowed to smoke indoors.
Enclosed smoking rooms are a good idea in this climate, as long as they have good air conditioning so that the smoke doesn't disturb those outside the room and it doesn't pollute the air in the larger building in general. Chocoholic Sadly Arnie 99% of the time, non-smokers don't get the choice to decide whether or not to mingle with smokers, as smokers will light up anyway taking away our choice. That's the point. You can choose not to smoke for a couple of hours to mingle with others, but sadly we can't. If we want to go out we're forced to breathe in smoke whether we like it or not, so your point or lack there of is a non-issue. kanelli Sorry, I forgot to clarify. If someone dies of type 2 diabetes due to a poor diet, and they are a smoker, it is not considered a smoking related death. If someone dies from a stroke or heart attack and they are a smoker, it can still be considered a smoking-related death. Smoking causes a higher risk of death from hardened arteries etc. One cannot conclude that bad diet alone was the sole cause because there are plenty of people with bad eating habits who don't smoke who live a long time. You will find poor research reports that lump deaths of various causes to smoking, but I suspect those would be in the minority. Here is a UK site that tells about the risks of smoking. / Chocoholic Ian, with respect, the reason non-smokers get so het up about it is that many of us find it an irritant more than anything. If I go out and am forced to sit next to people smoking, I end up coughing, my lungs feel tight, my eyes become sore and itchy, not to mention ending up smelling like an ashtray and having to shower and wash my clothes everytime I go home. Plus the last time I went out and was surrounded by a group of smokers, constantly blowing smoke all over me, I broke out in a nasty, itchy red rash everywhere the smoke had come into contact with my bare skin. Now imagine having to cope with this EVERY time you come into contact with cigarette smoke, not very pleasant is it? Many people are actually allergic to the smoke and have these sorts of reactions, that's why it's so horrible. Liban Alcohol needs to be banned too.... Alcohol, like cigarettes, is a nuisance and can kill others who do not even drink. Think of drunk drivers! Even less than killing is still bad, thing of paralysis due to drunk drivers.... Or bar fights! Plus alcohol can kill the drinker who does it in excess. Liver damage for example.... Chocoholic
Ah but Liban, you see alcohol in moderation, particularly red wine is proven to be very good for you! It's excellent for the heart. kanelli This thread is about banning cigarettes in shopping malls (and perhaps other public places). I don't get where the alcohol comes in. Should we ban food too because it causes all kinds of health problems when consumed in excess, just like alcohol? As you can see, we should just stick to the smoking in public issue. Liban Lets just ban everything... I hear Ottawa is contemplating banning perfume in public places.... Nazism is alive and well I see... Albeight under a different name, Sara1983
ban perfume :lol: :lol: :lol:
thats freakin weird :!: Chocoholic Sorry K, I was just replying to Liban's thought about banning alcohol. Anyway smoking in malls should be banned, they're family places and children are more at risk than anyone. kanelli No worries Chocs, my post was for Liban as well. Perfume, especially synthetic perfume can cause terrible allergies and anaphylactic shock in severly allergic people. I saw a documentary about a girl who had severe allergies so her whole school had to wear unscented body products. This girl used beets to pinken her cheeks because she couldn't use cosmetics. Can you imagine how limited her life will be trying to avoid places with all the synthetic scents! :) My mother's office is perfume free because of the patients and some coworkers who have perfume sensitivity. I also get headaches when I am around strong synthetic perfumes, but so far Oud and other perfumes I have smelled in the malls here have been okay for me, but I think those ones come from the local perfume shops and are are made from pure essential oils. XRW-147
Well, some people have never even heard about deodorant so I'm sure perfume won't be sorely missed. Liban Then they should ban people from eating fish in public (God it smells in the office), spraying hair spray, chewing gum (public sanitation), and a bunch of other things... We should all wear white uniforums and drive black 4 door Ford Mondeos and live in the same style villa (Dubai is one up on that)... :lol: Chocoholic Yow that must be awful K! Allergies are strange things, you can go through most of your life being OK and then suddenly over night become allergic to anything, it's really weird. I found this out myself recently. Still don't know what caused it and now scared to eat out. Liban
Gulf News headlines for June 6, 2006.
Dubai's Restaurants Experiences a Boost in Ambiance Liban
Deo who? What? Where? :shock: Chocoholic Oi, it's not bloody funny! How would like eating ameal and half way through you become covered from head to toe in a red, itchy rash, with your joints all swelling up and running a fever. Scared the hell out of me! Liban
Sounds like you have some bad tandoori chicken to me! :) Chocoholic Actually it was only tuna steak! Don't know what the heck they put on it, but I ended up on hospital with heavy duty antihistamine jabs. XRW-147 "Its the fish that John West rejects..." Soz Chocs, couldn't restrain myself. Sara1983
ew okay! Chocoholic Don't talk to me about tuna, it's one of my favourite things in Sushi. But can never find dolphin friendly tins at the supermarket. Ooopppppsssss - Sorry K!!!!!! Ban smoking in malls. Mall smoking = bad, very bad. Stinky yucky blurgh. XRW-147
Girl, you're preaching to the choir. That was until I gave up on the meats. Used to love tuna sashimi, salmon was always nice but tasted too 'creamy' so couldn't eat too much. kanelli Meanwhile, I was weak and have been eating seafood and fish from time to time because I get sick of eating salad when out at restaurants. I shall reform myself immediately. :) Chocks, was your tuna steak cooked in a kitchen that prepares other seafood, or was it seasoned with sesame oil? You might be allergic to some kind of shellfish or perhaps sesame seeds. dbxsoul Smoking will always be a contentious issue, whether it is in a public place or your own home. As a smoker, I’ll be the first person to agree that it damages/ impairs your health, and I don’t think that any smoker will disagree with that fact – irrespective of what studies health organizations and tobacco companies publish. However, I do feel that I am considerate in the way I indulge my vice and would go as far as saying 95% of smokers are the same. If the sign says no smoking, I may grumble a bit, but accept the fact and make an alternative arrangement. However, as with most activities there are a fringe element that does not respect other people’s rights, to non-smokers these becomes the standard by which the entire group is measured – as these are always the people that tend to annoy them. The same applies to most things whether it is alcoholism, religion, soccer hooligans, politician (even lawyers ha-ha-ha-ha), bad drivers etc, etc. However, when you look at it objectively it is the personal failings or flaws of an individual’s character that contribute to the poor overall impression that is created. arniegang
Lobster is yummy init K :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: kanelli I am reformed, it will never touch my lips again! :D arniegang You can be sooooooooooooooooooooooo 2 faced :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Chocoholic They said it was just cooked in a bit of olive oil. I eat sesame seeds all the time so it's not them and I love shellfish. It's totally weird. MaaaD Tuna steak at Japengo ? its yummy, just had it the other day zette Shopping malls should have a smoking area. :wink: Chocoholic They do! But no-one uses them, that's the problem! zette i think smoke detector needs to be place anywhere inside the mall. so when it detects smoke it would alarm, produces a high pitch sound that would break the eardrum of those smokers... but sad to say innocents are still affected... :(



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