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Should workers be banned from Jumeirah Beach Park on Friday?


medvezhonok3
Edited - MOD
smokedawg I mentioned my GF wearing an abaya. You introduced the idea of covering up, not what I was talking about. Where do you get the idea of my saying all Muslims were Arab? Being a Mod doesn't give you the right to be rude Miss Thang. Chocoholic erm and how would you know whether they were muslim or not? Not all muslims are arabs you know. And there are other ways to cover up :roll: geez talk about zero imagination. No I don't have that problem, because I simply don't go to those places anymore. smokedawg Choco if this doesn't drive you into a fit of rage then you must not be having this problem. I can only imagine what it must be like for a woman to to feel the eyes of these low lifes undressing them up and down but as a man I can tell you that it boils me to see them staring, ogling and drooling over women with absolutely no shame whatsoever. I don't care what their situation is, where they come from or how long they've gone without a woman. It's called human decency and these uncivilized rags have none. Do you think their embassay is going to make any progress in 'educating' them? Yeah right. They don't have to be perfect gentlemen, just have to not be dogs. And this is an ability, my dear, that EVERY man has. BTW, seeing a non-muslim in an abaya is just retarded. Chocoholic Sad to see so many narrow minded opinions, without people bothering to look at why these things happen. And you don't have to be muslim to cover up! smokedawg This is why my GF and I stay in more often than not. Sometimes I almost wish she were Arab/Muslim so she would wear an abaya (she agrees) smokedawg I have nothing to repute with the OP and even commend him on his tone. This, by far is the #1 thing I hate about living here (and it's a very short yet potent list). I also, for the first time, agree wholeheartedly with MCL. Medvezhonok First off I know updates have been slow lately (it's called having a life, try it), so some of you have taken this as an invitation for you to spew some more weak аss self-righteous bullshit replies. Even if I suddenly had a lapse in judgement and decided that it would be a good idea to read what you idiots wrote, I think I would come to my senses as soon as I read the first few, seeing that's it's the same rhetorical drivel you've regurgitated a thousand times. Now on to the topic, I'm sure some of you have been dragged to the beach by a friend on a weekend only to find that it has already been swarmed with hundreds of indian/pakistani construction workers. Note that doesn't sound so bad, until you realize that these people have probably never taken a bath in their lives and though it would be a good idea to go swimming with their clothes on. They also suffer from a severe staring problem, you could spot the highest concentration around the 3 or 4 unfortunate females that were trying to relax on the beach. We literally spend 30 seconds on the beach before making a full retreat back to JBR walk, which was much less infested. Why are these people allowed inside the park when there are perfectly fine free beaches right next to it fully catered to their needs (i.e. nothing). For a change in pace I will not be replying to ad-hominems (I will however pick a winner for stupidest reply, so stay tuned), if you're too stupid to debate intelligibly then you should be banned from the beach as well. busa Ooeer this will pull the PC brigade out in full force,me well my familly and my self stopped using public beaches years ago got sick and tired of watching men prance about in see thru white shreddies and the constant staring which my wife and daughter had to endure, Banning is a bit harse i found that having a nice civilised chat with them made them a bit more enlightend. Ballbraker
I think you meant to post this in the RACISM section.

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Ballbraker
Goes with the territory. Medvezhonok
Yes you can try talking to them, unfortunately they speak little to no English and usually outnumber you 200 to 1. Red Chief Unfortunately the ban isn't work that way. There was a similar situation in some Sharjah beach hotels a few years ago. They imposed a ban for single guys for day visit due to a lot of complaints from female gusts. At the beginning they rejected browns but allowed respectable whites then they start banning every single guy. Medvezhonok Indeed, it will be difficult to set up a straight up ban. One solution would be to raise the admission fee on weekends from 5 dhs to lets say 50 dhs including a chair and an umbrella, although I hate umbrellas, sunscreen and anything that gets between me and the sun. So you'd get on average 10 times less people and 10 times cleaner people while maintaining the same revenue. Holy shіt I should be king! qdabdul hey - at least they are hundred times better than the pervert lebanese who try to hump anything that walks. Misery Called Life
:D True! Don't forget to add aftermath of their presence is plastic and filth strewn all over the place. Then again it's not just the labourers who litter the place.
Makes you wonder where's the squealing Indian media now? Those buggers at the drop of a hat cry racism and foul. Hypocrites!
Seriously the onus should be upon the Indian and other respective embassies to educate these people with basic etiquette. Unless the respective governments take an initiative ur just gonna have to skip the beach.
A ban is not politically correct and is hence not plausable!
To all the squealors out there:- No this is not racism and probably has nothing to do with you. So don't get all defensive and start a cultural flame war here. Misery Called Life On the flip side, let this be a thread that's unbiased. I'm sure a lot of other nationalities out there are equally guilty of lewd conduct. Don't hesitate, expose those nationalities as well :wink: :D rudeboy whats the difference between the guy staring at your chick and the guy who looks at your chick through the corner of his eye, on the beach? abyssdesire
If you are referring to the fiasco in Australia, the guy was simply hitting on the girl. I'm sure many of us have done that.
But, what happened afterwards was a complete disaster. I doubt Lebanese people will be able to restore their image in Aussie ever again.
Chocoholic A ban is a bit harsh. You have to remember that these guys only get Fridays off and usually a half day at that! It is their only chance to go somewhere else, added to the fact that they haven't seen their wives, girlfriends etc in years and what do you expect? A little education about proper behaviour wouldn't go a miss. rudeboy
got to agree there. I also think that there should be two separate beaches i.e one public beach for all and one for those who dont like to be stared at. the bloody beach is so long am sure they can divide it up into 2 bits :D Ballbraker
now that's a sensible post. Chocs I don't now why they pickon you. abyssdesire
... Chocoholic Well if people want private beaches then they can always go to the hotels/clubs and pay a bit more to have the privacy they're looking for. I always used to go to the beach park and loved it, but now I've found a couple of cheapo clubs to go to, mainly because I do water sports at the weekends, but it's a little bit of santuary. There has to be some way to make it work for all. Medvezhonok Nice to see that so far 100% of the people who voted support the ban. A less harsh solution - as I have stated previously - would be to increase the price slightly to weed out a good percentage of these people. There needs to be a good medium between the ridiculously priced hotel beaches and the public ones. I'm still stumped as how JBR beach, although free, is much less infested then the beach park, it was very tolerable on the weekend. Chocoholic Interesting! Maybe it's because the beach park has shaded areas and grass as opposed to just a stretch of open sand. I still don't think a ban is a good idea. Education and beach patrols are whats needed. Hey I object to seeing oiled, buffed up Lebo guys with teeny weeny speedos on prancing up and down the beach - blurgh Chocoholic Dude, being a mod has nothing to do with the way I express my opinion, get over that fact! Go back and read your posts again and see why I might have come to that conclusion. Wearing an abaya is covering up no? Well you can wear other things to make you feel more comfortable. But the real easy solution is if you don't like it, don't go there! But as I keep saying there is an underlying issue here, that you seem incapable of relating to of even understanding. These beach parks are free for everyone! Just because someone isn't as 'educated' as you, hasn't seen their family in maybe three years and doesn't come into contact with other people because literally they go from labour camp to work and back again and only get one or even a half day off a week, does not mean that people should be penalized for it! 'If' there was ever an issue when I used to go, then we would confront them about their behaviour and make it clear that certain things are unacceptable! Just because some thinks, acts. behaves differently to you or I, does not mean they should be punished for it. monymoe "if you don't like it, don't go there! " wait wait.. the beach is made for people to swim on, and for people to lounge around on. so lets see it this way: Person A is a decent looking girl who wants to go to the beach to tan and swim for a bit.. Person B is a labourer who was not seen his wife in 3 years and wants to go to the beach so he can fondle himself over women who are in bathing suits.. ..and by your 'logic', ur saying that Person A should go somewhere else??? who is abusing the properties of this place? Person A or B??? I have not been to any of Dubai's beaches but ive heard enough disgusting stories about what goes on there.. IT should be done like Abu Dhabi though...seperate the beach area from the street/walkways by heavy bushes that block the view, and charge single people 10 dirhams to get in, and free for women and families. those who want to walk and enjoy the scent of the sea get to do that, and those who want to swim get to do that as well, without anyone harassing them. not everyone in dubai makes enough to afford the membership of a club. Red Chief I think they should set a price 20 dirham per family regardless of quantity of people. Such way they could maintain parks better and stop invasion. Somebody always talks about "poor" laborers who have the only day a week to dump crap on the beaches and insult women. As a result women with children actually cannot visit the parks on Friday. Many of them also work and have only one or two days off. Chocoholic ahhh but you see the people who moan and complain can 9 times out of 10 afford to pay abit more and go to a more private place. Also on the flipside, some of the swim suits or lack thereof that I have seen some people wearing are completely inappropriate - never mind guys wearing underpants that go see through when wet. Sadly for many of you guys you only see black and white, there's a big grey area here and these places should be for everyone! Geez by the sounds of things if you had your way thse guys would work 7 days a week, be confined to their camps when they're not workin and never see the light of day! Okay, so what would you suggest? A seperate beach for the workers? What, because I'd love to hear it! monymoe Just because a person can afford to pay for something does not mean they should go ahead and waste their money on it. And yes, i use the word 'waste' because a public free beach is made for people to enjoy the sand and the water, NOT made out to fondle themselves over the sigh of naked flesh. Those who abuse the properties of the beach should be banned from going, period. Dont expect those who abide by the rules to change venues!! Thats an utterly ridiculous request!! Like i said, there should be a barrier of trees/bushes made to seperate the sand/water from the road/sidewalks. Those who pay and still go and hover over half naked women should be promptly escorted out. A second offence should bring a swift fine, and a third offence should spell out deportation. And that should be applicable to anyone and everyone who harasses people on the beach. But dont expect me to shell out a few thousand dirhams just to avoid the actions of someone who shouldnt be doing them in the first place. Chocoholic Typical, unable to give a decent answer, why am I not surprised. And who says thousands of dirhams? There are other 'free' and cheap places. So if you had your way it would be a segregated beach - nice throw the palce back into the dark ages. Oh and the 'request' to ban all the workers is not unreasonable or ridiculous? I certainly think it is. However, your comments on warnings and fines is a sensible option. But people wearing inappropriate things and going topless should also fall into the warning and fine categories aswell. It cannot be one rule for one and another for another - oh wait what am I saying this is the UAE, that's how things work :roll: Red Chief
Probably we live on different places but the laborers are everywhere on Friday, especialy if places are free, like a beachfront in Sharjah.
On the other hand hotels charged family from 50 to 100 Dhs per head and bearing in mind that the family in the UAE is rather large it could be rather costly and so is hardly affordable for many of them. Chocoholic Yes true. But the education and fine route is really the only way to go. Asking for them to be banned from 'public' places is just stupid! There are a few free places where they won't go because it involves a little bit of travel. But I'm not about to reveal my 'special' places - don't want an influx of beach bums :wink: BlackburnRovers Banning a particular group of people is just asinine, every individual who acts like an idiot should be apprehended, but blanket bans are stupid Many locals dont like the sight of bikini clad people in public beaches, so do they propose banning all westerners for that? Red Chief
He-he, Chocks. You should be a teacher. Education (Upbringing) of adults is the most weird thing I've heard. Their parents should've done that before the age of 8.
You cannot accept the situation as is.
As for secret places I doubt that long trip to such destinations would be a great relaxation for large family. Chocoholic So you assume that once people reach adulthood they are incapable of learning anything new? What planet are you living on? Of course people can be taught how to behave properly, because what it boils down to is the fact that these guys don't! They've never been told that certain things are unacceptable. It's like the toilet thread, people from different cultures do things differently and unless they are told otherwise. People are intelligent and have the capacity to 'learn'. Red Chief Chocks, pls. drop your abstract theories just for a moment. There have been no changes for years. Beatiful (in the morning) Al Mamzar Park is for the laborers only on Friday. It has been a reality. Chocoholic Hardly an abstract theory. You statement about adults not having the ability to learn is the most retarded thing I've read in a long time. And I don't think asking for 'normality' is thinking outside the box. Annnnd just because things take time to change doesn't mean they won't. If we all thought like you, we'd be back in the dark ages! Red Chief So you offer to conserve the situation, don't you? Focus on the topic pls. Your rants are a little bit misplaced. Nobody wants from them for well upbringing and good manners but only muscul job for small money. monymoe
Ive only been here one day, and you already know what is and isnt 'typical' about me? how the blue Fudge are you a moderator?
Name me ONE (thats right, just ONE) club in dubai that offers its services for less than 1000 dirhams per year per person. And those 'free' places are the EXACT same ones that get infested by workers on fridays!
There is nothing wrong with segregation if it serves to protect the identity and purpose of the place. A beach is not made for someone to fondle themselves on, and if someone needs to 'segregate' those kinds of people from the regular beachgoers, then thats exactly what someone needs to do.
Yes, I agree that people who go topless should be fined (And from what i know, that does happen); but this thread is not about those who go topless on the beach, its about those who fondle themselves and swim in all their dirty work clothes and such. Chocoholic erm nope. UAQ marine club 50 Dhs entrance! RAK, Ghantoot - free entrance if you're doing water sports! And once again, being a mod has nothing to do with my opinion! If I have something to say I will say it and you can choose to agree or not as the case maybe and contribute or not! Beside I have nothing to do with this section, so counts even less. Stop moaning! Plus haven't we ALL AGREED that fines and wanrings for ANYONE who misbehaves should be implemented? I think we have! I disagree with segregation! Oh wait that still happens here aswell 'members only' clubs still exist! monymoe
err..so if someone IN DUBAI wants to go to a beach, they gotta drive all the way to UAQ?? wow, that is such awesome logic!! seriously, you must be eating a lot of fish lately cause ur brain sure is working at over capacity!!!
Let me rephrase this for you: the problem is of dubai-based labourers going to beaches in dubai and harassing people of dubai. how do you propose you solve this dubai problem WITHOUT GOING OUTSIDE THE BORDERS OF THE EMIRATE OF DUBAI?
We are not arguing about the fines; we're arguing about you being silly enough to bring up Ghantoot and UAQ as an option for DUBAI people! lol im still shaking my head in disbelief!!!
lol i can just imagine it:
"hey dad, take us to the beach!"
"ok junior"
30 minutes later
"we'll be in UAQ soon junior, we're stuck in the National Paints flyover..we'll be there shortly!"
45 minutes later
"Sorry son, we're just getting into UAQ now, 5 more minutes!!"
30 more minutes driving around UAQ's "roads"
"F**k it son, we dont really need the beach do we?"
yea, great option there!! hahahahah go to UAQ for the beach hahahahahah
as for segregation..um..members only clubs are PRIVATE establishments; they are free to do as they please since there is no law stopping an establishment from being selective in their clientèle ! Chocoholic Actually I got to UAQ or Ghantoot several time a week, it really doesn't take that long, but then I do watersports so fine for me. I'm not a sit on the beach a toast type. Dealt with the issue for years on end now, there are ways and means as have been discussed extensively. 'Members Only' clubs are not necessarily private. Rock Bottom is a MO club, as is the Outside Inn in Ajman, there are many places that still have this sign, which basically means 'white westerners' only, everyone else is paying a premium or is barred entry! But my personal opinio is that no-one should be barred from anywhere. I believe so long as people behave in a socially acceptable manner that everyone has the right to enjoy the same things. And if they can't behave then they should be punished. And that as they say is that! monymoe
I have been going to UAQ since i was born; ive had family living there since the mid 60's and i still go to visit them about 2 or thrice a month, i know exactly how far UAQ is and to say that it doesnt take long to get there is an understatement. that is ONLY applicable when there is no traffic between Dubai - Sharjah and throughout Sharjah itself. This problem MAY have eased off with the expansion of the 611 all the way to UAQ, but that was only a 3-4 weeks ago and it actually adds about 20km to the trip overall. So yea, the main point is: suggest alternatives in DUBAI, and not in a place thats 50km (UAQ) or 100km (RAK) away from it.
As for P R I V A T E (do you comprehend the difference between PRIVATE and PUBLIC????) beaches, they are free to do whatever they want. a PRIVATE beach is managed by a company, which is responsible to its owner to produce a profit; this owner may deem an MO policy to be more profitable, so thats the route he/she will take!!! a PUBLIC beach is NOT entrusted to turn up a profit and is designated to serve..the PUBLIC..and its up to the PUBLIC to behave themselves otherwise they will have to deal with the LAW.
Now, do you understand what the difference between PRIVATE and PUBLIC is? Because i could have SWORN that ive mentioned it several times already and you still keep mixing it up.
Private: profit-making, can carry out whatever policy it wants to actually make a profit (as long as it doesnt break the law)
Public: non-profit establishment aimed to serve the needs of the general population or a special segment thereof.
get it?[/u] Chocoholic Nothing left to say on the matter. You're just being argumentative now, which serves no purpose. I;ve expressed my opinion. Take it or leave it. End of! monymoe PFft i like how u keep trying to say "end of" and "tahts that" and still come back for more!! Im not being argumentative! im just trying to figure out how is it possible that you cant understand the difference between a public entity and private entity, and the concept/purpose of a beach ! its just.. baffling to say the least! Anosh Why ban? If people want to show their skin, so why they blame to others. workers have the same eyes which other people may have. May be your best friend staring you most internally rather than a worker. Chocoholic It's not baffling, andf yes I know very well the difference, you just don't comprehend my point of view which once again is: But my personal opinion is that no-one should be barred from anywhere. I believe so long as people behave in a socially acceptable manner that everyone has the right to enjoy the same things. And if they can't behave then they should be punished. And that as they say is that! Really this time, end of. monymoe showing ur skin at the beach is much different than showing ur skin on the street or inside a mall or by a school or around a mosque. monymoe well actually your opinion was that those who want to fondle themselves should continue to do so and those who do not wish to be the subject of attention for such fondlers should take a hike 100km up north to a beach where they can be alone..for a while..before even more fondlers show up. uh huh ;) Chocoholic So now you're going to change topic? True, but girls wearing g-strings which resemble cheesewire and don't cover anything is not acceptable on the beach! - the public ones or the private ones! I don't want to see that in any situation thanks very much! monymoe whats wrong with girls wearing g-strings that resemble cheesewire!! man oh man, i need to come to dubai more often! TeddyBear Calm down kids, what we really need is a mid-range beach where you pay an entrance fee of lets say 50-60 dhs (affordable, yet high enough to keep unwanted people in) with decent facilities like a pool, showers, changing rooms, snack bar and the beach could make extra income by offering water sports or fishing trips (a la Ghantoot). Misery Called Life
and the one in AbuDhabi Red Chief
It's widely available but tend to be for families only. What's the issue? smokedawg Funny how Chock calls US argumentative. Hmmmm TeddyBear
Really, which one? (serious) Red Chief
I live in Sharjah. So the nearest from me is Coral Beach Hotel: 4*, pool with cooling water, 2 water slides for kids, brown bachelors are not allowed at any charge. Chocoholic LOL nice suggestion Chief. See I knew there were other cheapo or free palces where you can avoid the problem. You just have to look a little. BlackburnRovers
but non-brown bachelors are?
What if someone brown wants to use it for swimming? Red Chief Unfortunately non-brown ones are also not allowed for a day entrance to the hotel , only "families". It means single female or male guarded by any female - quite opposite to KSA. :wink: I used word "brown" because Prived Medved asked for some places w/o them as far as I figure out. xero_ yes and no. its not morally right to ban them, but those laborers are annoying as hell on the beaches. i understand glancing at hot piece of *** but staring for 20 minutes is just wrong. :x



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