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Flying Dutchman Soon a Dutch politician will publish a movie critizing Islam. Knowing this guy it will be much much worse than the cartoons. Although I think Dubai is a safe place, I am considering leaving Dubai asa this movie will be live. I am right or is it okay to stay?
shafique I guess Lurpak will be unavailable again :) As for your safety - be afraid, be very afraid - but there is a simple solution, just go around humming ABBA songs, carry an Ikea bag and pretend you are Swedish. It also depends on how long it takes people to get stirred up by the film - the cartoons initially did not cause any issues, but this film is getting a lot of publicity before it has been aired. Cheers, Shafique jabbajabba I would not worry to much. You would more likely be at risk living in Iran, Sudan or High Wycombe in Berkshire. The main reaction really depends on the content. If it depicts the prophet or shows Muslim ladies wearing burkhas - but flashing a bit of wrist or ankle it will get the nutters frothing at the mouth for some blood. If it is more of an overview of critic, it may not cause violence as there are other films out there already covering the less savory sides of Islam. bonk
He's Dutch, not Danish :).
Hide your clogs FD ;). shafique
Dutch/Danish - they all look alike to me! :)
Good thing I didn't mention Danish bacon then - I guess Edam and Tulips will be banned then :) :)
Cheers,
Shafique bonk
It criticises the Koran as far as I know, the producer (director?) I think wanted to ban the Koran.
I heard Dutch embassies in the Gulf are warning citizens to be careful. reviewer There's nothing to be afraid of really, I havent heard of any case or incident before that resulted from the publications of cartoons here in Dubai. rudeboy heheh you will be safe. ppl here dont care for some reason. they too busy doing other stuff :D. what i dont get is y this dutch dude wants to ban the koran :S what a nutter. Flying Dutchman
Well, he thinks the Quran incites hate and violence and compares it to Mein Kampf. To try to prove his point he his making this movie and hopes for a lot of violence reactions so he can say "you see I am right". So you can be sure it will be extrememly provocative. To show how much of a nutter he is he also wants to ban halal food in government institutions.
Did a bit of reading about him and it appears his hatred for Islam originating during a study trip to Damascus during his uni years. He visited a mosque and when we wanted to leave, his shoes were gone. Thatīs how it started... shafique
So the moral is - don't steal a Dutch's shoes!
Going off on a tangent (as I often do) - I also remember hearing someplace (I think it was in a soap opera - probably the West Wing) that the origin of the word 'sabotage' comes from incidents of Dutch workers throwing their clogs (sabot) into industrial machines in protest...? Is this true?
Cheers,
Shafique

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Flying Dutchman
No, itīs a myth/theory without any evidence. rudeboy
lol hahha man my slippers have been nicked so many times from the mosque but hey there are so many lying there, just wear a pair and walk off :D the dutch guy should have done the same. silly bugger.
and y the hell is it that everyone goes to Syria and they hate islam lol first wafa sultan who started hating islam because i dont know whether this is true or not but according to her some "islamic freedom fighters" killed her professor in the 1979 when there is no record of any shooting in any of Syrias unis. and now this guy. oh well he has it coming as well then :D.
by the way the guy wants to ban mein kempf which was riten by hitler who as we know killed so many jews and had a thing for black ppl and brownese. hmmmm so whats the difference between the Dutch guy and Hitler?? wouldnt you say his policies are those of a left wing politician?? is it the rise of the lefties in europe??? hmmm i guess its ok since there is already a left wing president in USA :D. Flying Dutchman
I assume you mean right wing? Otherwise I have no idea what you are writing about... Flying Dutchman
Do you have a list of ppl. who have it coming? rudeboy right wing left wing they all the same. blooody "democratic" fascists. yep the muslims have it coming to them ebonics
and i thought iran was one of the most backward of the lot... spoonman
Thats a great job by media to portrait Iran as the most fucked up country in the region.
The majority of Tehranis (mostly the youth) are athiests. they abondoned their faith in Islam after the islamic revolution because of the corruption of the gevernment which is also the religous lead in Iran. and Iranians are the most tollerant toward expats and tourist (the few who dared to visit). At the heat of the time of those danish cartoons, I was traveling with a danish friend in Iran who was suprised by the warmth he was treated even by religous people who got quite mad about those cartoons.
No one supports a single action by the government. It's a state of dictatorship ruled by force and violence and if the someday the current geverment collapse, you will see the wildest flip you can imagine in Iran. rudeboy
lol whats me being a paki got to do with having ur car :S
hmmm i like your policy and u r rite you shouldnt hide ur roots and you should be urself instead of being someone else. but dont worry nothing drastic will happen. Flying Dutchman Okay, the guy keeps on prosponing with all kind of excuses. Do I dare saying that this might turn out a Aprils fools joke (just a hunge)? Do Muslims also know Aprils fools? In the mean time I already got quite some uncomfortable questions and remarks from people about this guy. Like " all Dutch people are equally responsible"! How the hell am I responsible for the actions of all persons with the same passport??? Besides that, nobody knows whatīs inside the film (if it exists), so how can they already judge it? It made me a bit uncomfortable, not threatened though. My mummy insisted to leave if and when it is aired...
rudeboy fd are u leaving then? if so can i have ur car and anything else u want to give to me as a freebie and i can tell everyone what a wonderful dutchman were u :P :D. y dont u get a funny accent and be south african or scotish :D. Flying Dutchman
U Paki?

Somehow, I have this notion that if I am in a place were I have to hide/deny my indentity for my safety, I donot want to be there. Flying Dutchman
Oops, I was wrong, film is just aired. Already planned my weekend somewhere else, so will see... rudeboy but wots a paki got to do with ur car :S ebonics according to al jazeera this morning - fitna is now officially on the internet..

this footage is already on youtube, and i linked to it in a previous thread, the young girl denounced the jews calling them pigs and monkeys, and said that tthe prophet teaches to kill and fight against them (which is also confirmed by the azhar's fatwa that suicide bombings in isreal are considered a martyr act and is completely acceptable)

get out while you can comrad.

validates what the movie is about - so does the above re: jews. i dont see why people are so up in arms about it, and why do they deny the truth, rather than try to work as civilised human beings to change the way things are when it comes to extremist and political islam inciting violence and hatred towards none muslims.... ebonics my god i just watched it.... it is a LOT worse than what i thought it would be. recommended viewing, but very very graphic.. ebonics i also urge anyone that finds the link to it, to not post it here. shafique I've just watched it. I also encourage people to watch it - I don't think it will change any one's mind. It may encourage some people to read the Quranic verses quoted. Cheers, Shafique ebonics i agree it will not change any muslim's mind. but it will make none muslims very weary how a large portion of muslims see them, and under which light. and weather or not the verses, are literal or not, the proof is - it produces literal reactions and acts from the muslim community against none muslims today shafique I don't think it will change the minds of non-Muslims either. Most people are quite rational and won't blindly swallow propaganda, especially if it is sensationalist as this. Those who are already prejudiced won't be changed. My experience though is that many will be spurred into asking questions about Islam and when they find a disconnect with what Muslims actually believe and what is portrayed by the film, they will reject the Islamophobic views. So, in a way I think this film will bring many seekers of truth closer to Islam. Cheers, Shafique Crusader1 The movie is an important step for the western world. We must realize, that Islam will always fight for world domination, and the western world needs to fight against that by all means and with all available force. Islam is an evil religion, which is penetrating our society. In future each terroristic act commited by muslims should be retaliated with nuclear weapons. We are able to teach these guys a lesson they will never forget and show them who is superior, so why are we hesitating? Cheers, Crusader shafique :lol: I wonder who Crusader actually is. Nice one. :lol: Cheers, Shafique spoonman
cheers indeed, now FUCK OFF rudeboy
lol crusader y hasnt the americans bombed the Mecca or Madina? y havent the jews blown up the Golden Dome in Jerusalem. hmmm maybe they know that if they did many osma bin ladins will pop up everywhere from USA to Japan :D.
hmmm who is superior lol theres a bloody $25 million reward from Bin Ladin and 7 to 8 years after 9 11 bin ladin is still at large. shows how bloody superior u r lol. cant even find a blooody ONE man lol. rudeboy anyone got a link to the movie?? if u dont want to post it just message it to me. thanks ebonics
because that would make you and them, on the exact same level.. Flying Dutchman Pffft...Thatīs it? Hardy any news value. He uses only already used images and quotes from the Quran. I disagree with Shafique though, I do think this film will have an influence on peopleīs ideas about Islam, mainly bcs of the publicity it gets and itīs very very graphic. Since no violence has been reported so far, I think and hope Muslims realize that if they want to prove this guy is wrong, the best and ultimate way is by not using violence. Flying Dutchman
Somehow only Pakiīs ask for my car...donīt know y... rudeboy
maybe they want to use it as a taxi :D shafique
It is very graphic yes.
However, if people are already anti-Islam then this won't change things.
If people know about Islam, then they will recognise it for what it is.
Those who don't know about Islam or are undecided, may choose to believe what they see, but I'm not sure how many there are out there - and they are probably also going to listen to the Dutch PM and others who denounce the film as a distortion.
I just think that all the gullible people out there already think Islam is a by-word for terrorism, so this film won't change minds.
Anyway, I echo the Dutch PMs relief that there hasn't been any violence so far and the demonstrations have been peaceful.
Cheers,
Shafique ebonics
i knew itd be taken down sooner or later, should have physically downloaded it, i was meaning to as well, that went too quick ebonics
as expected, the Hydra effect took place
cut 1 head off, 3 grow out..... just in less obvious places - the website's quote above though on its main page has drawn more attention than actually airing the movie. Flying Dutchman Here is one reaction from a Muslim, who writes a letter to Geert:

Oh, and very classic:


Now, you might say, this is just a loner with his own opinion. Only every reaction from Muslims has been supportive, and I havenīt seen one Muslim telling this guy he is wrong... ebonics
a muslim admitting that jizya isnt a peaceful tax when you dont join the army, his word against yours shafique. shafique
:) Good try ebonics. It's not my fault that the majority of Copts who left their religion (like you have done) embraced Islam over time peaceably and not because of taxes or swords. Just because you are in the minority of ex-Copts in choosing to not become a Muslim, please don't take it out on me. [My research shows that the vast majority of Copts who have chosen to abandon the Coptic Church have become muslim - but if you have other evidence, let me know ebonics]
There will inevitably be some violence, I fear, but as I said I'm with the Dutch PM on the sober handling of the situation so far, and there are many non-Muslims pointing out the sensationalist claims of the film as false representations.
Cheers,
Shafique ebonics its the muslim's words not mine..... either you're innacurate or he is.. ill leave that to personal interpretation. shafique
Paying taxes is humiliating is it? Ok, fair enough - that's why you are in Dubai I guess.
:lol:
Cheers,
Shafique reviewer
But you cant take it when the interpretation goes against yours...... 8) ebonics i wouldnt have left it to personal interpretation if that was the case in this specific case. but generally yes you're right rudeboy
shaf ebonics agrees with you on something should be grateful seriously. Flying Dutchman
I think he agrees with reviewer. rudeboy
let the horse speak for himself



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