In an event that she described as more exciting than playing Maria Sharapova , tennis star Shahar Pe'er was drafted into the Israel Defense Forces bright and early Sunday morning
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I take it all back - Dubai was RIGHT to ban her and RIGHT to allow Andy Ram.
- Chocoholic wrote:
How do you know she hasn't had a change of heart since then?
How do you know she has had a change of heart since then?
Do you think people join the army as casually as they buy underwear? Del
- muyesser wrote:
bombing Gaza weeks days, tennis tournaments on the weekend..
xl
Indeed. naruto
- Chocoholic wrote:
Yeah this is 4 years old! How do you know she hasn't had a change of heart since then?
As usual, people round here like to only see one side of a story, and condemn them for life for one action.
CAN you tell us how did she changed?
do you know if she has changed or not ? can you prove it ?
the answer is no ..so u are full of Ccrap.. :lol: Chocoholic And there is a big difference between being 'drafted' and volunteering! uaekid so she is in the army after all huh ... I guess humpy is shocked by this news, cant see him around. choc darling, give it up ,well ya
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gamercowboy A large majority of Israel's citizens are drafted into the military. "Conscription extends at present to all able-bodied persons, as they reach the age of 18 - three years for males and two for females." http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts%20About%20Israel/State/The%20Israel%20Defense%20Forces Chocoholic And...... this is normal for many countries still! If you don'tdo your service by the time you reach 35, then you go to prison! RobbyG Are all Israeli women that ugly? Boycot all of them :D :D :D smoggie
- uaekid wrote:
so she is in the army after all huh ... I guess humpy is shocked by this news, cant see him around.
choc darling, give it up ,well ya
As far as i know there is conscription in Israel so she would have to serve, and indeed, would see it as her duty. What is wrong with that? uaekid nothing is wrong really, but would you put 1 Israeli Soldier in the middle of 1000's of Palestinians ???????? very bad idea smoggie no one would see here as a player. smoggie
- uaekid wrote:
nothing is wrong really, but would you put 1 Israeli Soldier
in the middle of 1000's of Palestinians ???????? very bad idea smoggie
no one would see here as a player.
it's back to the security issue.
She is proud of her country, wants to play tennis....I don't see the problem. The UAE should go out of their way to protect her. As you said yesterday....the real issue is not security. That is a lie. it is the fact that she is a Jew. Del
- Chocoholic wrote:
And there is a big difference between being 'drafted' and volunteering!
Hmmm... naruto
- smoggie wrote:
- uaekid wrote:
nothing is wrong really, but would you put 1 Israeli Soldier
in the middle of 1000's of Palestinians ???????? very bad idea smoggie
no one would see here as a player.
it's back to the security issue.
She is proud of her country, wants to play tennis....I don't see the problem. The UAE should go out of their way to protect her. As you said yesterday....the real issue is not security. That is a lie. it is the fact that she is a Jew. - uaekid wrote:
..she is an isreali soldier who might killed a palastinian during the fight between both sides, now if im a palastinian and i saw here in the street i dont know what i might do to here..also we dont have any political relationship with isreal so she is not allowed to enter UAE even if she is a sport woman..now will i be able to get a visa if i want to go to israel .answer is NO..so we are even.. Del
- smoggie wrote:
As far as i know there is conscription in Israel so she would have to serve, and indeed, would see it as her duty. What is wrong with that?
Nothing really, except she described it as 'more exciting than playing Maria Sharapova'.
What's 'More exciting...'? Blowing up Palestinians?
- Del wrote:
- smoggie wrote:
As far as i know there is conscription in Israel so she would have to serve, and indeed, would see it as her duty. What is wrong with that?
Nothing really, except she described it as 'more exciting than playing Maria Sharapova'.
What's 'More exciting...'? Blowing up Palestinians? - smoggie wrote:
Well unless she said "Blowing up Palestinians" we do not know...maybe she meant training on the assault course smoggie
- naruto wrote:
- smoggie wrote:
- uaekid wrote:
nothing is wrong really, but would you put 1 Israeli Soldier
in the middle of 1000's of Palestinians ???????? very bad idea smoggie
no one would see here as a player.
it's back to the security issue.
She is proud of her country, wants to play tennis....I don't see the problem. The UAE should go out of their way to protect her. As you said yesterday....the real issue is not security. That is a lie. it is the fact that she is a Jew. - uaekid wrote:
..she is an isreali soldier who might killed a palastinian during the fight between both sides, now if im a palastinian and i saw here in the street i dont know what i might do to here..also we dont have any political relationship with isreal so she is not allowed to enter UAE even if she is a sport woman..now will i be able to get a visa if i want to go to israel .answer is NO..so we are even.. - smoggie wrote:
My Grandad got shot on the beach at Dunkirk but I don't go around attacking Germans. If she did shoot anybody it was an act of war..... Grow up! muyesser [quote="smoggie"]
Well unless she said "Blowing up Palestinians" we do not know...maybe she meant training on the assault course
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xl smoggie [quote="muyesser"]
- smoggie wrote:
Well unless she said "Blowing up Palestinians" we do not know...maybe she meant training on the assault course
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xl
Please translate smilies in to words.... I cannot respond because i don't know what that means! Del
- smoggie wrote:
...maybe she meant training on the assault course
Yeah... the Gaza Strip assault course! Del Test muyesser [quote="smoggie My Grandad got shot on the beach at Dunkirk but I don't go around attacking Germans. If she did shoot anybody it was an act of war..... Grow up! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: xl mesheditor I am surprised that non of the posts on this subject is quiet subjective, sorry to say that , I am not trying to dismiss your posts guys but from a political view point I would say that most of posts talking from an emotional or human rights perspective , now this absolutely crap because we all witnessed what's been going on recently in GAZA. lets not be bias and have a sense if logic " choco and smoggi " That israeli tennis player as I imagine her can walk through the airport immigration check points pissing on everyone and telling herself how much she hates Arabs. period. back to the point , Why cant we just once respect a country's internal affairs , especially a country like UAE with straight forward moderate system that is based on friendships and mutual respect to its naibouring countries. the ban decision is not about her being drafted few years ago in the Army of isreal or anything like that, but its a strict constitutional law and by breaking it there will be major security implications that UAE has to worry about. rudeboy i have always believed in not mixing politics and sports. but lets be honest the whiteys have their own standards. they will and can do anything they want. if someone else does the same to them they get cheesed off. example. / the australian cricket team dont want to play in pakistan because it is not SAFE. now we have a jewish "ugly" betty who wants to play in Dubai. But dubai authorities have said you cant play because of your own safety. i really dont get it. the authorities have said you cant play, stop bitiching and get on with your LIFE you bloody WOMAN. Humbleman Or when Zimbabwe held sometime ago a cricket tournament, some Western countries asked their teams not to partake in the tournament just because they oppose to Robert Mugabe and his regime.
The UAE has done the honorable thing. No to Israel until it gives back every illegal territories and genuinely shows that it wants a lasting peace with its neighbours.
Large protesters also gave her a hard time when she played here in New Zealand few months ago.
Israel is a murderous, it responsible for destroying the lives of millions of Palestinians and the killing of so many children, women and civilians in Palestinian and Lebanon. They have to be brought justice and hold responsible.
I salute the UAE for its honorable decision kanelli
- rudeboy wrote:
i have always believed in not mixing politics and sports.
but lets be honest the whiteys have their own standards. they will and can do anything they want. if someone else does the same to them they get cheesed off.
example.
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the australian cricket team dont want to play in pakistan because it is not SAFE.
now we have a jewish "ugly" betty who wants to play in Dubai. But dubai authorities have said you cant play because of your own safety.
i really dont get it. the authorities have said you cant play, stop bitiching and get on with your LIFE you bloody WOMAN.
Sorry, all I saw in this post was "whiteys", "Jewish 'ugly' Betty", "bloody WOMAN". Hmm, racist, se.x.ist, male chauvinist comes to mind. Also, your logic is poor. The Australian team didn't want to play because they didn't feel safe. It was their choice. It has nothing to do with (Edit: Israeli/) Jewish woman wanting to come to play in Dubai because she felt safe enough to do so, but then being denied by the authorities. So, where is the hypocrisy on the part of the "whiteys"? And I'm wondering, is the whole Australian cricket team white?.... :lol: rudeboy
- kanelli wrote:
- rudeboy wrote:
i have always believed in not mixing politics and sports.
but lets be honest the whiteys have their own standards. they will and can do anything they want. if someone else does the same to them they get cheesed off.
example.
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the australian cricket team dont want to play in pakistan because it is not SAFE.
now we have a jewish "ugly" betty who wants to play in Dubai. But dubai authorities have said you cant play because of your own safety.
i really dont get it. the authorities have said you cant play, stop bitiching and get on with your LIFE you bloody WOMAN.
Sorry, all I saw in this post was "whiteys", "Jewish 'ugly' Betty", "bloody WOMAN". Hmm, racist, se.x.ist, male chauvinist comes to mind. Also, your logic is poor. The Australian team didn't want to play because they didn't feel safe. It was their choice. It has nothing to do with a Jewish woman wanting to come to play in Dubai because she felt safe enough to do so, but then being denied by the authorities. So, where is the hypocrisy on the part of the "whiteys"? And I'm wondering, is the whole Australian cricket team white?.... :lol: - rudeboy wrote:
oh wow. you think i m a racist yet you dont find your local white person a racist who calls brown ppl bacon? plz. also my logic is not poor. if you know about the australian cricket team incident, you would know they didnt want to go to pakistan because it wasnt safe. what would u know about cricket? you are a woman aint ya :D
IT WAS A bloody EXAMPLE. ufff some of the ppl we have on this forum. its like pulling ur hair and going bald :D. DUbai authorities said to her not to come here cos it aint safe.
so in one indicident the aussie dont go to pakistan and its ok. but when some bacons tell you white ppl not to come to their country for safety reasons you get cheesed off and start going crazy like nuch of gorillas in the jungle.
aussie team didnt want to play because IT WAS their CHOICE lol hahahahah hehehe oh man. plz go do some homework before arguing.
here you go they didnt want to go to pakistan because it wasnt safe. got it? comprende?
by the way are u a jew? mesheditor at the end of the day, if ausies were to be offered something like 3 million dollars like she was they wouldn't mind going to pakistand to play ;) rudeboy
- mesheditor wrote:
at the end of the day, if ausies were to be offered something like 3 million dollars like she was they wouldn't mind going to pakistand to play ;)
thats true and its happening in india with their league even though there are terroist bombings in india yet they still want to go. they have double standards. they can decide where to go and where not to go. no1 will punish them. but the fact is if someone says u r not allowed here for your own security, that poor sod gets punished or FINED.
hmmm BDMuslim2009 Bloody anglo hypocrites! Why are all anglo cricket playing countries (like England, New Zealand, Australia) up in arms against Zimbabwe, threaten to ban Zimbabwe and take all deceptive measures, even the 2009 ICC World T-20 CRICKET Championship won't be accessible to Zimbabwe Cricket due to Anglo deceptive treacherous hypocrisy. Aha, now when Dubai doesn't allow a national who is a member of a defense force of an enemy country which oppresses and terrorizes innocent civilians and citizens of fellow Arab and Muslim country of Palestine, the anglo western hypocrites are up in arms against Dubai! Anglo hypocrisy exposed again. dee7o
- smoggie wrote:
- naruto wrote:
- smoggie wrote:
- uaekid wrote:
nothing is wrong really, but would you put 1 Israeli Soldier
in the middle of 1000's of Palestinians ???????? very bad idea smoggie
no one would see here as a player.
it's back to the security issue.
She is proud of her country, wants to play tennis....I don't see the problem. The UAE should go out of their way to protect her. As you said yesterday....the real issue is not security. That is a lie. it is the fact that she is a Jew. - uaekid wrote:
..she is an isreali soldier who might killed a palastinian during the fight between both sides, now if im a palastinian and i saw here in the street i dont know what i might do to here..also we dont have any political relationship with isreal so she is not allowed to enter UAE even if she is a sport woman..now will i be able to get a visa if i want to go to israel .answer is NO..so we are even.. - smoggie wrote:
My Grandad got shot on the beach at Dunkirk but I don't go around attacking Germans. If she did shoot anybody it was an act of war..... Grow up! - naruto wrote:
So if your father and mother were shot last week, your wife and kids maimed day before yesterday, your house taken from you yesterday and you out in the street starving and unemployed today, you would be fine with the person who did it to u and not seek retribution. You have made your point, you are indeed a forgiving person. I and all the others in this discussion shall "Grow up!". Misery Called Life The issue is'nt about an isreali, it is'nt to protest the Middle East conflict or anytin.I doubt the authorities were really concerned with the players security but probably their own......The authorities were simply shielding themselves from a probable domestic backlash, spread by the people from within the region. It was only a precautionary measure......as it would be disastorous for Dubai to be percieved as supporting Israel....even if that only meant letting a sportsperson participate.... Imagine if the Isreali player participated and was attacked or sumtin? Oh....the bad press.....disastorous. A very wise and calculated decision by the authorities as one has to respect the sntiments of the people first! Misery Called Life This whole shahar peer issue, was a lose-lose situation for the authorities. Consider a scenario where she is actually granted a visa, the western media makes a slight mention of it;praises the government, but alas...it also raises a furore in the domestic media! For decades UAE along with the rest of the Middle East have politically supported Palestine, to jepordize all of that thanks to some irrelevant tennis tournament? Just not worth it! Besides women tennis is rather unpredictable, what if Ms Peers actually wins or progressed to the advanced stages, she is a rather accomplished player u kno .....The tension it would cause!!!! Palpable !!!! The authorities weighin the pros and cons made a wise descision indeed, and should be lauded! Of course it's protocol, so the WTA had to fine the organizers make a hue and cry et all, but its no big deal! Dubai Knight The decision fits with the local mode of thinking...which is to make NO decision. Its easier to just say no to everything than say yes and face the consequences of having to take responsibility. The only time they say yes...is if someone upstairs tells them to. :shock: :shock: :shock: Knight Chocoholic Interestingly when the guy Israeli player took part in the doubles, no hassles whatsoever, so the whole security issue was a load of BS! Well done again Dubai for making a complete ass out of yourself! Never learn! Misery Called Life Hey did anyone notice the RADO, on Ms peers hand, on page 1? Do they pay that well in the IDF? Besides Mr Ram( the guy isreali player), is an american isreali, who probably did'nt have any milititary experiance, so they probably deemed it ok 4 him 2 play... Red Chief
- rudeboy wrote:
aussie team didnt want to play because IT WAS their CHOICE lol hahahahah hehehe oh man. plz go do some homework before arguing.
here you go they didnt want to go to pakistan because it wasnt safe. got it? comprende?
Those aussies were wise people. Some another team wasn't so lucky and met bloody terrorists...
Humbleman So its’ Okay for some Western countries to deny entry to anyone who would questions or denies the so called “Holocaust”, but when Dubai denied an entry to a tennis player who is part of a country that has been occupying another country’s territories illegally, and committing genocides against its people, you people voice your disapprovals – what a hypocrite. Just yesterday it was revealed that Israel is planning to expand Jewish colonies in the West Bank by building more than 70,000 new homes, a massive blow to Arab and international efforts to revive peace prospects in the Middle East. I bet you Kanelli and likeminded folks wouldn’t be as eager to criticize that as you did with Dubai’s wise decision to deny an entry to a tennis player who describes being in a murderous army as high voltage of adrenalines. kanelli She was coming to play tennis, not spread hatred about Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims. Most holocaust deniers are blocked from entering Western countries because they are entering to attend conferences or participate in events that spread misinformation and hatred. This is not comparable in this case. Governments are free to make their own decisions that will protect the interests of their country. I think that at least they should be as consistent as possible or they lose credibility. I feel very strongly about what is happening in Gaza, yet I don't start treating my Israeli friends like crap. I told one friend some of my opinions, but didn't want to get completely into it because I know she feels differently. I am not going to hold her and my other friends personally responsible and end my friendships because of what their country's military did. People need to know where to focus the protest and where to consider the individuals. uaekid
- kanelli wrote:
She was coming to play tennis, not spread hatred about Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims. Most holocaust deniers are blocked from entering Western countries because they are entering to attend conferences or participate in events that spread misinformation and hatred. This is not comparable in this case.
Governments are free to make their own decisions that will protect the interests of their country. I think that at least they should be as consistent as possible or they lose credibility.
I feel very strongly about what is happening in Gaza, yet I don't start treating my Israeli friends like crap. I told one friend some of my opinions, but didn't want to get completely into it because I know she feels differently. I am not going to hold her and my other friends personally responsible and end my friendships because of what their country's military did. People need to know where to focus the protest and where to consider the individuals.
as a matter of fact they are the 1st one to be blamed !! they elected this crapy government of Israel knowing their hostility and aggressiveness from day one ,no one was shy to show those behaviors in the election period, hell they were proud of saying it out loud. so at the end ppl of Israel chose this gov and its policy so yes they are the one to be blamed . you need to know where to focus honey.