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Racism Issue


aquarian Hi,
First of all, the words here aren't pointed to the whole arab community, but to only racist people.
Second of all, no offence, i'm just askin WHY?
Here's how it is...
By arab i mean all the countries in the gulf... UAE local as well.
I've been born and raised in this country... i've seen a lot of racist people around here... specially locals, lebanese, jordanian, egyptian and syrian.
I have a lot of local friends, it seems they carry a strong hatred for the sub continental people (indian, pakistani and bangali).... for example...
once i (bangali) and a friend of mine (pakistani)... were hanging out together in Al wahda, sharjah... we were sitting by a building, an arab lady (egyptian) came by to park her car... and she started yelling at us without any reason... she even swore at us... i asked her what was our fault... she didn't reply to that and kept on yelling, a minute or two later, her husband came and he joined her in yelling at us, he even threatened us about the police... later i asked her husband what did we do? he didn't agree with us to reply and kept on swearing... so i had to yell at him too... we couldn't do anything, because he was a aged man... i respected his elderness and we left...
there are several cases like this one... happened with me...
once an arab guy swore at my community... he said "you bangalies are rotten people"... its totally racism...
once i had a job interview... i went there and it was a perfect interview... but they rejected me... they hired an egyptian, although i had more education and expirience than him. they said they'll call me after the interview... the next day i go there and see they hired an egyptian guy.
once i went to pay my electricity bill, the amount was 480 dhs... i only had 450 dhs. in hand... i went to the elec. payment office... and asked if i can pay 450 dhs. the employee was an arab, he denied and said to talk with the manager... while another arab (egyptian) man arrived and asked the same question, he had a bill for 1100 dhs. he asked if he can pay 800 dhs... he allowed that stupid to pay the half amount of his bill and leave the rest, he didn't even ask him to talk to the manager like he asked me... i was clueless...????
what are you guys' point of view?
redmatrice
Hope that morocco is not with this country

Your fault was , you didn't have to shutup and let her yell at you

Yeps it's totaly racists
hope you're doing good aquarian :lol: no, i haven't seen moroccan people doing so... :wink: island_sands
My point of view is that your statement that arabs are now known as terrorists internationally is quite harsh and also racist in itself. There are terrorists of many nationalities (read your African history and also from Indonesia, East Timor and other South Pacific countries).
Perhaps you should accept that where ever you go in this world you will encounter people who are openly intolerant to other races and cultures. Perhaps the people you encountered are plain rude, which also quite common in gov. admin offices worldwide :)
My opinion? If you dont like living in the UAE, then leave. The grass is not greener on the other side, believe me.
Personally I like it here and have never had problems with locals, in fact the opposite, and the ones I do know are actually very kind to their staff and respectful to other races.
You have had a bad experience it seems. However, slandering Arabs as internationally known terrorists in an open forum will perhaps not win you many friends or sympathy.
My 0.02cents. aquarian I'm really sorry if that sentence i wrote was wrong. I'll remove it immediately! Believe it or not, i've seen and met several people from different countries... i've never experienced such behaviour from them. that's why i took it that way... as a matter of fact, there are many local people i know... they aren't like that... instead, they too think and share the same thought as i do... by the way, i'm not a beggar, so i'll not accept your 0.02 cents... :D valkyrie
WOW. I think those plucky mexicans and Muslims/Arabs that come to the United States and complain about racism and discrimination should just leave. Who are they to demand equality? yorky500 Answers in [color=red]Red[/color] :wink: :wink:

What you have written happens every day and will continue to happen until something is done. What that is I have no idea. I think that perhaps there are more "good ones" than "bad ones".[/b] aquarian LOL :lol: If i had hit that man, then there would be no difference between him and me... may be one day those people will understand that they were wrong. i believe that egyptian couple were really mentally disturbed of their lives. so they took out their wrath on us. if yelling at us helped them calm down, then i'm glad i had been a use of help to them. :D Sunray From the way they drive you should know their culture and character... No comments, I am living in others land. aquarian absolutely... they drive like the road was made by their fathers. and when they make a wrong turn while driving and you PEEP them... they yell back at you saying WHAT!??

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hack88 maza diya :D sage & onion
Who is they?? aquarian
kitna maza diyaa... :D aquarian
By THEY, i mean egyptians. hack88 agolakkkk ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hahahaha sage & onion
Why not in English Hack?? aquarian HEY!!! hack, did you use the time-machine again??? i guess you went to the stone age era... that's why your talking that way. Bleakus
thats why its called "land of the free" right? zam aquarian just curious, what is your nationality?
easternjewel bengoli zam yujinn I can't imagine what would happen if all the subcontinentals and east asians suddenly leave dubai... sage & onion
Thats easy, everything would stop :cry: yorky500
You obviously do not read what has been written in the previous posts! :roll: bushra21 We had a discussion about this in class the other day. Why many locals see people from the subcontinent as a lower class than us. It was an interesting conversation to say the least. I find it interesting how some posting on this forum see this country as being completely racist and unfair, yet you still are here. Why not leave? Also, those who do hold those feelings make it a point to say that this country would be nothing if it weren't for 'their' people... so why not leave and better your own country if 'your' people are so skilled? I am not denying that racisim does not exist here; it does. If you have a good family name, you'll have it a little easier in some cases. If you drive a nice car, have a nice number, dress nicely, keep nice company - regardless of what nationality you are - people will look at you differently. There is no difference between the UAE and for example, the US...you think that racisim doesnt happen in the US? You really think that everyone is treated equally? Do you really think your name, your wealth, your position in the community, your NATIONALITY (or even your background heritage) doesnt affect how you will be treated? I chose the US because I lived there and worked there. So I feel I can say that, because I have seen these kinds of things happen there... like I said, it doesnt matter where you live, racisim is everywhere. so suck it up and keep going; if you dont like it -- then go do what you want, make your country a better place rather than help a racist country. Also, I find your comments about arabs to be racist -- so what does that make you? sage & onion You are right Bushra, Racism is all over the world, and to be honest I have found that the USA is the worst for this. Here in UAE, you are correct, if we don't like it we have a choice. yujinn But... In the US, take away a particular race and the country will still survive. Here, take away a particular race- let's see how the country can handle that. Racism here is so defined unlike that in other countries such as the US. I don't know who will continue buldling those buildings if the indians and pakistanis leave. This of course is only my observation. And regarding why not leave this country, you know the answer to that question. These people are desperate, you know that. And you also know that leaving would not be a choice because of their desperation. And what do humans usually do to their desperate brothers? They take advantage of them, and then ask the same 'why not leave' question to them. :roll: easternjewel
typical Arab response. dont like leave blah blah.. Racism is everywhere, so just be a little nice... & you did not however answer the Question. why do Arab people see subconti as lower class?
I love this country & in many cases I defend it. I also am not ashamed to point out the draw backs in my country (population, corruption etc)
No one here said that people from subcont working here mainly as the labour class are skilled* but think about it. All the highclass* arabs would have to substitute their place, of building houses (in extreme UAE climate, lets not even get to the wages issue & exploitation) cleaning toilets roads & so on if one day all this people did leave.
It is sad how you guys can talk when you know some of these people do not have an option to leave this place.. and even if they did, other cheap labour from the subcont could be replaced easily.
It is not right to justify any wrong action by saying it happens everywhere. The solution would be to change the attitudes of people.
I need to plagerize S&O's signature...(aswell) sage & onion
Interesting, however in my expereince here the lower paid workers are completely taken advantage of their higher paid bosses, who are of the same nationality by the way.
The other interesting thing is, if you go to India, Pakistan, Philipines, Thailand, Bangladesh, Nepal to recruit labour, the lines are endless, so got to be something good about the place. yujinn
^ yes Sage, you have a choice, but for the desparate ones don't. So asking them "why not leave?" is also telling them "Let's see leave! I know you can't because you'll starve, so shut up and bear with the racism!" sage & onion [quote="easternjewel"]
It's actually something I have believed in all my life, and I strive to treat everyone as an equal, unfortunately many here don't, but hey thats up to them, I will fight my own personal fight and feel good in myself. yujinn
Yes, in my experience as well there are SOME instances of a person taking advantage of his compatriot subordinate (that is if the former ever gets to a high position). I think it's the same human nature of wanting to be more powerful than another- or maybe it got in their heads that that practice is acceptable here. easternjewel
The temptation to feel and display our superiority to other race(s) we feel our inferior to us, is certainly a difficult thing to do. Hats off to you. bushra21
Also, I feel if you live in a country and do your best to make a good life for your family and yourself, try to have as many good experiences as you can...but find that you cannot, then pack up and move to somewhere where you can...and that is not something that people cannot do...it is quite easy to move. asc_26
Aquarian, what you've just written are words from sophisticated, civilized and educated person. Kudos! So proud of you. :D
To cheer you up, i have one colleague who is a bengali and i have to admit i will missed him if he leaves the company. He can't speak english well and sometimes i find it hard to understand him, because of our language barriers, but i find him valuable for the team. He's so hardworking, honest and very respectful. He don't earn much and yet he don't have qualms and manage to stay happy & always cheering us up here at the office.
What you've just experienced happens everywhere and sadly asians are really the target of their frustrations. Maybe those couple are worried that they can't pay their rents and settle their bills, and their landlords are running after them. :D
I've witnessed also in one of the malls, non-asian couple yelling at bangali staff for 2 dirhams :roll: because the candy machine, which is supposedly automatic isn't working. And it isn't the fault of bangali person that the candy machine isn't working, he don't own the machine. :roll: Would you believe this, they keep on yelling to the person Harami and even threatened to call the police :roll: I just pulled out 5dhs from my pocket and give to the couple...how shameful they accepted the money. :roll:
Aquarian... cheer up dear! bushra21
Like sage said...many cases it is not racisim..its is bigotry.
Regarding the jobs, it is not only Indians or Pakistanis doing these low paid jobs mind you...there are other nationalities including arabs and locals as well.
I am an arab, I deal with racism here. I am a local, I deal with racisim here. You think locals dont have to deal with that? Do you know how people see us? How they look at us? We have to deal being punished by others because they automatically judge us as being racist. Isn't that just as bad? bushra21
The desperate ones dont have a choice? I was living in the states by myself paying my tuition, my apartment fees, medical fees, insurance...I would go sometimes a week or two without eating something because I barely had any money left over. I was a full time student and worked 4 jobs....I probably got 2 hours of sleep in a week...but it came to the point where I couldn't stand being treated like a piece of shit, where i was sick of being labeled a terrorist, where i became so irritated with the rules that the companies i worked for had (you think that there is equal oppurtunity or equal employment there, you are crazy, your race-heritage-nationality is a huge factor) that i bought the first ticket i could afford to Dubai and came here and found a job. My first job i was paid 2,000 AED per month... that included for my living expenses and traveling expenses..so you know what I did, I found myself a better paying job.
People have choices all the time regardless of who they may be or how much they make. They are surrounded by choices. You just have to be willing to take a risk sometimes. easternjewel
thank you for the reds.
If you do not have those opinions, good for you, but spread the word, dont defend the actions of the wrong.
I do know some Locals who work very hard. but I am sorry, Ive never seen a local Janitor or an officeboy. and talking about labourer is just easier in terms to elaborate on the fact how important they are for the development of this country.
Also again, it still remains wrong to let go issues by saying it happens everywhere. Racism is greater than most of you think it is. MaaaD I am appauled at the way people view south asians in this country, and especially the arabs. If anything any arab should look up to south asian, look at India a young country of around 50 years yet have developed so quickly and put itself as a superpower when it comes to the knolwedge economy of today. While the Arab countries still dwell in being a consuming hole producing nothing of value to the world. So if you are an Arab and think lowly of a south Asian the next time, think about how south asia has the scientific know how to have produced an atomic bomb, has been able to capture a majority of the world IT business, and is on the way to being a great economy. While the oil rich arab countries are just spending there resources away on developing nothing but building the talles, biggest and most messed up shit instead of investing in there people and having a long term startegey. With that in mind, i will give the indian office helper tons more of respect than the arab guy racing in his lamborgini. bushra21
I dont defend anyone who is wrong. I am a very blunt person and I will say what is on my mind...regardless of whom it is. I spoke up in my class and stated my opinion when some would start to speak ill of them. Mind you, I go to AUS -- so there are many expats there, and they too held the same opinion as some of the locals. And not arab expats, but western expats. What I found amusing is that even one individual who was from the subcontinet region said that he was ashamed of his people, on how some of them act.
What I said, so you do not misunderstand me is that we shouldn't look down on them or view them as lower than us. They are hard workers, and many of them are educated holding at the very least a Masters degree. India is one of the top countries in turning out educated individuals, so we have no right to look down on them. Many of them built this country and aided in making it what is today. They took care of us as nannies, supply us jobs as labourers (they build the buildings after all), work with us as co-workers and employees. That is what I said. I dont look down at people because of their race, if I look down at a person, it is because of their actions; not their skin colour or nationality.
Just becuase you do not see them does not mean that they are not there. Shouldn't a well - rounded invididual such as yourself know this fact all ready?
Who says that we are dismissing the issue because we bring up the point it occurs everywhere? If you want to tackle an issue, you have to look at it from all points of view...not just one.
Also, I think that most can say that they understand how great this issue is, because most have been subjected to it at one point or another. I basically grew up dealing with it...so I dont think its really right on your part to tell us that we are thinking in an incorrect manner; almost seems as though you are trying to say because you are from the subcontinent you have a better understanding of what racisim is. pinoy1 We must also consider the fact that Dubai is relatively new in the developed countries list- mostly thanks to the oil and foreigners, so we should not be surprised if we encounter rude old locals. They probably still can't grasp the fact that they are now sharing their country with other peoples now. Poor them... I just hope nowadays they teach the young ones in schools about these issues, teach them the right attitudes and how to deal with people in a civilized way. Teach them hard. As with most everything else, crude things needs to be polished to shine. fayz I just got around to reading this thread, the comments indicate there is hope for the future :), there is racism here, heck there is a lot of racism even on this forum, hopefully we can all look internally to make positive changes. I have a dream .. St.Lucifer
^^^ This is what i like abt this place.. . ;) you can find lot of good people around :) hats off to u maaad..
EJ I completely agree with your posts... quality...
and for those who said .. if u dont like it in here leave this place.. isnt it the perfect example of bigotry.. :roll:
and i guess the point in here is to make a better society....not in comparing with countries where the condition is much worse.. bushra21
also, if you feel you cannot make it in the country you are in, then why stay?
please explain how that is a perfect example of bigotry... St.Lucifer for "also, if you feel you cannot make it in the country you are in, then why stay" is a logical question but "If u dont like it in here, leave. go back to your country n try n develop your place.. blah blah blah." are caustic remarks with vehement dislike towards accepting others views and ideas and Bigot - a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices and note that i made it as a generic remark. y do u get upset dear. bushra21
please do not misquote me :



I was making a point that those who speak out about being subjected to unusual amounts/occurences of racisim usually add to their argument that this country would be nothing without them. my point was if they were that talented and skilled, why not return to their country and build it as they built this one. why stay and deal with these conditions if they are so horrid.
like i said, people have chances to better their lives. its just some are not willing to take the risk that comes with it.
EDIT: hehehe, i just realized that i use the word also a lot...it seems a bit annoying now that i am reading it...i need a better word. lol Sara1983 Oh racism BIG endless issue... I'm not a racist 8) zam
I was trying to sound very racist! (clever excuse eihhh?) hehehe :toothy4: yujinn Those poor laborers.. Why they don't leave? Probably because 1. they earn more here and apparently they'd rather be treated badly and earn rather than starve in their own country because of lack of jobs there, or 2. they really wanted to leave but their employers really know how to keep their slaves. On going back home to contribute in their own country's progress since they have the skills to do so, easier said than done. There are such things as unemployment, corrupt governments, etc. I've known doctors from my country who'd rather work as nurses in the US. I don't need to explain why. St.Lucifer "Also, I feel if you live in a country and do your best to make a good life for your family and yourself, try to have as many good experiences as you can...but find that you cannot, then pack up and move to somewhere where you can...and that is not something that people cannot do...it is quite easy to move." likewise,I feel a lot of people live in this country and do thier best to make a good life for their family n themselves, try to have as many good experiences as they can.. but sometimes find they cannnot, then packing up and moving to somewhere where they can is not the solution.. and this not something that many people can do .. it isnt quite easy to move. people always want betterment.. y do u think all the anti racists movements and organizations came up? we need a progressive society. likewise, as well, beside.. are the suggested alternatives :D aquarian I don't understand some of the posters here... yet they defend their country and they say we don't... anyways, i'm not here to pass judgements... i've been born and living in this country for almost 22 years... i've never seen a local or an arab working as a labour... we will not be talking about USA or what ever... coz we're living and talking about UAE! by the way, i don't have any kind of personal grudge against arab nations, believe me if i had, i'd beat the crap out of every last one of them, but that's not what a muslim should do... yes i'm strict in religious matters... i'm always happy that i have the privilege to live in such a beautiful country... that's coz our prophet was from an arab nation, and besides... one of our prophet's message was... he prohibit fighting with everyone unless it was a war. he also said everyone is equal before ALLAH. the other day, i went to the mosque to pray... i stood with an arab old man... so when the imaam finished iqamah, he says to join your feet and stand peoperly. that old man moved his foot away from mine... i tried twice, he seemed repeated. I left him the way he was. altough, on the friday prayer, the imaam read "everyone is equal in the prayer house and before ALLAH." i'm sure that man was present in the mosque. but still... i know racism is ever where, but im talking about the present where im living. this country once was not like this. and it is not only me... you can answer to my questions by saying "why not leav?" but what are you gonna do when several more people ask you this? bushra says, she deals with racism here... sorry, no offence... but its what you do, what you get! the person who you find racist, maybe some arab did something similar to him, so he's avenging... bcoz you're an arab. but what that person did was absolutely wrong. i admit, racism is 100% wrong. weather it's done by an expat or a local, it'll stay wrong. i found one of the poster saying something like... "what you said to the arab nation is itself racism, now what does that make you?" I already apologized for such inconvinient words. Im sorry, i took it that way. I support UAE as much as i support my home country. I like the arab language, dress and their tradition... but almost every sub continental expats find arabs to be racist. WHY? bcoz of their image. they spoilt their image doing racism. this goes for every country found with such racism issues. by the way, thanx for sharing your point of views. it feels alive to read your postings. :D freza bushra, I think you're generalizing way too much, that's a reason why your argument is somewhat unconvincing. Don't you think many expats would prefer to stay in their own country and improve it locally if they could only be able to earn a decent living there? Also sending money back home does contribute to their home country; if you look at the statistics of countries that have a large number of remittances flowing in, you can see that many migrant workers not only improve the lives of their families and communities with that money that they're sending, but one can argue that they also improve their country's economy. Though there might be many temporary workers who hate being in this country there are many who don't. What of the S. Asians who were born in Dubai and love Dubai and who see it as their only home, but who still experience racism and complain about it. Would you be OK with telling them: "if you don't like it here, leave"? Concord What is racism anyway?
It is my opinion that those who say "I am not a racist" probably are [provided I knew what it is]. We are all, I suspect, racist (to different degrees). freza oh snap! Yeah I definitely have racists tendencies...I should try to avoid posting on the normal threads. bushra21
and what have I done exactly? are you saying that I am a racist or that I have carried out the actions of one who is a racist?
That sounds like a pretty racist comment if you ask me. Judging me before you even know me, saying those things about me simply because i am an arab...
i am all for equality between people, and like i said earlier, i dont care what language you speak, what colour your skin is, where you are from...if you are a good, decent, respectable person -- who am i to judge you, i never look down at anyone who carries themselves with dignity.
About the whole situation in the mosque...I dont like people being that close to me when I pray...actually, I dont like people being that close to me ever. It is a personal preference...not a racial preference.
The lady and man yelling at you for no reason. If it really was for no reason, than that was wrong on their part. No one has the right to do that -- no matter who they may be.
The paying of the bill issue, did you think that maybe that guy that came in after you had a plan with them already, or had spoken to them before about this issue and that is why it is all right.
St. Lucifer,
It is hard to start over, or move, or change something in your life. But if you are not content with the way you are living, then that is what needs to be done. A change needs to take place. I did it, all on my own -- and I continue to do it on my own. You need to take risks in life...especially if you want to lead a better, happier life.
Freza,
You make a good point. But I have no problem telling a person that if they are not content with their lifestyle here, regardless of who they may be or where they originally come from, and feel that they cannot live the life they want, then to go and find somewhere that they can be happy.
I have a lot of respect for people who leave their home country behind and go to better their lives, I know how hard that can be. But at the same time, what I do not understand is, why they feel the need to belittle that country that is offering them that very thing. Nothing in life comes easy, people are not perfect, and wherever you go you will have problems. bushra21
Agreed. Everyone has racist tendencies...some are just more noticeable than others. freza bushra,
According to what you've stated, shouldn't your priorities revolve around improving and contributing to your country's well being? Isn't exposing the damaging effects of racism a good way of improving your country?
I don't think it's your duty to be telling people that they should go elsewhere to go find happiness. (But if doing so makes you happy... oh well). Maybe it's your sense of over-abundant entitlement that's making you not have a problem with telling people to go be happy somewhere else? aquarian Are your eyes weak or you didn't quote the full message on purpose bushra?

I'm not accusing you of carrying out any racial act. it's you yourself saying that.
as of the mosque matter... i didn't shove my self into that old man... just spread my feet to touch the vary end of my last toe.
next time read and understand the full sentences. bushra21
so when i get treated the same you say you are treated by arabs -- it is not because they are racist, but because they are angry at someone who is from my race...well, couldnt the same be said in your case?
also, i never said you shoved yourself into the old man. like i said, me personally, i do not like anyone touching met at all, especially if i do not know them. if i do, then it depends on certain other factors..but in general i cannot stand to have anyone touch me or even be in close proximity to me.
i read what you wrote, just wanted to see how you would explain it. valkyrie
That would be being prejudice not racist.

By 'racism' do you mean resent?
Justified resentment is not a form of racism.
If you're not talking about resentment please explain how rich people who are treated with contempt and racism in your society when you are the ones who control the wealth and power?

How many companies did you work for at fifteen?

Yes. If you were discriminated against you should have filed a lawsuit.
Don't worry, I'm sure you can take it out on your three full time maids.. bushra21
I never said that racisim never occured here. I never said it wasnt a problem. I never said that it was right...so how am I stopping anyone. I share my opinions just as everyone else on this issue..that is all.
You are right, it isn't my duty to tell people to leave to be happy. But, if someone isn't happy here then why stay somewhere that has that effect on them. But just as you have the right to say what you feel, I believe I hold that same right as well.
I like how you feel you can express your opinions, but when someone doesn't agree with yours you will either openly belittle them or indirectly do so. bushra21 Val, thank you for responding to the issue at hand. I have a feeling that no matter what I say, it will go in one ear and out the other with some posters on here. How about I just say what yall want to hear then. Would that make you happy? You guys are saying that people here ignore that these issues are present here, yet when I admit that they are, only one or two senteces are snatched up by your eyes. You think yall are going to change how things work by not changing yourselves? You are wrong... valkyrie What you said it that people that are discriminated against should move back to wherever they came from. That is a textbook example of racist sentiment in the US. Do you think that hispanic workers that come to America and complain about job discrimination should just move back? ^ian^ I hate to be a total thread Nazi, but this doesn't belong in general chat. I'd pm a moderator, but I'd rather abuse you guys. Asshats. St.Lucifer
So u've experience it here itself a lot of times? and is that the reason y u r off to US again..? or u dropped the plan..? and hey isnt it bad of privileged people to consider that even those in the poorer section of the economy n living can leave the place n go .. after having done all the hardwork to get in here..
I know hundreds of people... who have come into gulf seeking a better living.... many of them 've all their belongings, their house n place n everything kept under mortgage to pay up the agents who get them here... n do u think its easy for them to go as well?
and again if u understood my posts... i said.. its highly necessary in a society like dubai to keep a check on factors like racism to make it a progressive society. island_sands
hehehe nice answer :)
I'm a bit broke right now so i'll share my two cents with ya ;)
the way you were treated and the things you experienced are not right i agree. i just thought the terrorist thing was a bit harsh :)
anyway, i see this discussion is becoming wayyyy to political (i hate politics) so i'm outa this one
have a good one and ignore those are ignorant of those who are equal.
(read sage and onions signature - we are all red inside).
not a truer word spoken.
cheers
Sara bushra21
That is not what I said...I said if it that person doesnt feel like they can live the life they want here, or they arent happy, or for whatever reason they do no like living in a certain country than they should go somewhere else.
yes st.lucifer, i have experienced a lot of racism here. why? surprised? and no val, it is not jusitifed resentment, or predjudice...it is racism.
I am moving to the U.S. for reasons that dont really concern you, but if you must know, it is because I want to pursue my education and I didnt find anything that suited me here.
I never considered myself a 'privileged' individual. sure, perhaps here i have it a bit easier on occasion thanks to my mum's family status...but that isnt how i was raised. do you honestly think a privileged individual would work four minimum wage jobs just to be able to support themselves and get an education. i know how it is to struggle for things and work hard. just because now i may have things a bit easier does not mean i dont understand what others who are less fortunate go through. i have been working since i was 13 years old to help support my brother and sister-- i know what the meaning of hard work is. i know how hard it is to take risks when you cant financially afford to...but sometimes, those risks are necessary. valkyrie
Am I to believe that the average UAE citizen drives around in a mercedes, or has three full time maids? Whatever you consider yourself, you are much more privilidged than the sudcontinent workers that you so maturely put it should "leave and better your own country if 'your' people are so skilled?"
And how exactly have you been discriminated against? Did your employers in the UAE deny you a job? Do they pay you less than southeast Asian workers? I just don't buy that you have gone through racism here, at least not anything comparable to non Arab workers. bushra21
if i may point out, it is not only the indian workers that have it hard here, what about the lebanese or syrian or palestinian or jordanians...they are treated like shit here -- sometimes even worse than the indian workers. why aren't they speaking out?
also, my comment to moving out was not only for the subcontinent workers...it was for anyone in general gtmash
Actually, this place simply needs a Martin Luther King. Except that he'd get deported in 2 days.
And for some reason, I found Bushra's story of hardship and pain a little unrealistic. It needed more sex and violence to make it more believable. asc_26 I am glad this thread end up in Philo forum instead of (the usual) in fight club. This is . :D
Shafique (i hope) will be glad too, seeing new nicks in his very own forum. :D
Keep it up DFers! Concord
The only part I thought was true was the not eating for a week or two :roll: Concord
I think the horse died a while ago but the point is that to simply say "if you don't like it move" [my own quotes] misses the point. The original poster made a comment regarding racism and it is agreed by all who have posted that it exists (here and everywhere). He also made a racist comment in the same post.
Bushra, when you go back to the States to study, and you experience racism (as it seems you will) how would you feel when someone says "if you don't like it move"? bushra21
I already have been told that.
I dont really care if yall believe me or not about what i said, I only used myself as an example because that is what I could honestly say I was sure of 100%.
gtmash...are you joking? I guess I need to incorporate more s e x and violence then... ( I dont get that point though) easternjewel
:lol: :lol: :lol: easternjewel
may I answer this??
Bushy will move to the UK. sage & onion
She said she was moving to New York!!!!!!! redmatrice Wow i'm so late , page 6 :shock: :shock: :shock:

Hey Yorky the answers are notttt in meeeeeeeeeeeeee :lol: aquarian yo bushra... what if your government took away your passport and asked you to leave this country ? where would you go? it's just an example... you would've no place to go... so do we... we are born and raised in this country... we don't have any where else to go to. by the way, you say you don't own a maid or something like that... its completely normal... i've seen several local families not having maids. and as far as local hardships concern... i have never seen a local in my entire life who is on low wage or facing great problems... people are afraid of locals here instead... no man is stupid enough to give a local some problem. half of UAE citizens are iranis (kalati, blushi, minawi etc)... they're the most at holding UAE passports... the original UAE locals are resided in fujeira, umm al quwain, ras al khaima, etc. they don't like to stay in the cities, they're happy in the country side. people here in umm al quwain are so friendly, open-minded, repectful... and they too share the same thought as i do. im talking about the original locals... not iranis holding passports. so these iranis ruined every goddamn environment... bushra21
so again you start with the racist remarks?
there is no point in me saying anything here because most are complaining about racism and closed minded people, but when I even make one post you look for the negative and drop everything else...
what makes you different from any of the others you are speaking of? bushra21
EJ if you had bothered to read my post I already did answer that question. I said I had already had people tell me that...most of my life really. And no I wouldn't complain about the country to them but just them bluntly tell me that I dont belong here and I should leave and go back to my own country...
I lived in the UK, and I have to say, I would take the US over the UK any day of the week.
Sage, I am still moving to New York. asc_26
Aquarian, im quite disappointed at you now. You seem to don't like everyone. Why don't you take a look at your previous posts - you clearly mentioned there some nationalities and now IRANIS (holding local passports). Who's next man? :roll:
hmm.. let me guess... IRAQI? :D freza bushra, My comment was never meant to belittle or disrespect you! Please stop it with the sensitivity. I do think that people that cross that line and tell others to just move somewhere else if they don't like it here are suffering from delusional entitlement issues and aren't seeing the individuals for what they and their situations are. I am interested in knowing what answer you give to Americans that have told you to go home when in their country. What can you possibly tell them? And why go back? You have a necessity, a very personal decision that you've made, that makes you want to go back and study, despite the hardships right? Well girl, you yourself prove a point against what you're arguing about. Also, I don't think people here are ganging up against you, there's a consensus of opinion here and it's worth listening to it, don't you think? bushra21
Freza,
I'm a sensitive person, what can I say...please dont tell me what to do. I mean, you dont like it when people tell others what to do correct?
Do you get my point that I am trying to make. Everyone gives their opinion, or offers a solution to any situation. I am not directly telling anyone to leave. All I say is if they dont think they can live the life they want to here, then they should go somewhere where they think they can have a better life. I dont tell them they have to go. I simply put the option out there. I dont suffer from any delusional entitlement issues. I have had people here tell me to go back to where I come from .
Because to be honest, I am not really local. neither am i really an american, or a palestinian. That is the problem with being from a mixed heritage; others dont really consider you to be a part of their community. So I do understand from most aspects how difficult leaving may be for some.
What I tell the Americans...you really want to know. I say, I'll think about it. It's their opinion, let them say it. I dont force my opinions on anyone. I dont force people to do anything.
Going back to the states was my last decision, I had looked in Europe, the UK, the Middle East, and came to the realization that I would be better off completing my degree there.
I understand where you are comming from and have realized that most hold a certain opinion. But that doesn't mean I have to change my thoughts because the majority believes in another thing does it? I mean, essentially, I am saying the same thing as everyone else...just a bit differently.
Just because the majority believes or follows something -- doesnt make it right. freza bushra, you're quite hopeless, I think you let your emotions dictate what you say way too much. I wasn't explicitly telling you what to do, it's a matter of speech, you know? Anyway, there's a lot of irony in what you state when compared to what you defend, but I don't think you're able to see this. I'm a believer in not following the herd, but when racism is so prevalent in a place like Dubai, who really is the herd here? bye bushra21
you could be right. i havent really been in a 'thinking' mood lately.
i just wanted to add though, that i knew you didnt really mean what you said, i was just trying to show something; but i guess i went about the wrong way of doing it. either way...i know racism is a big issue here in the uae, it needs to be addressed just like it does everywhere else. hopefully one day it will all be settled. Concord asc_26
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Where this came from? 8) bushra21 the post in the black list section...where the guy was saying that dubai should be put on the black list. and ill say it again. this whole racism crap situation is making me laugh. so what are you trying to say concord... ive gotten sick of reading about racism all the time on here. every week we have someone bringing up the issue. yes people, racism occurs in dubai, we know this. aquarian Well... if im wrong, then im ready to apologize at any moment... if you people think i should apologize to someone, then i'll be happy to do that. hey bushra, i'm sorry... i wrote things that was in my point of view... but i can asure you, that nothing is personal. no hard feelings. you know what? i don't care... let people do what they want... i'll lead my life as i want, i think that's the best solution. Concord
I don't think you need to apologize for anything other than you have already done (with respect to the "terrorist") comments.
Your statement..."let people do what they want...I'll lead my life as I want" is counter to the entire discussion about racism. To the extent any of us can do anything to stop it (even a post) then we should do it. Otherswise you will not be able to "lead [your] life as [you] want" as racism and racists may prevent you from doing just that. Concord
Not "trying to say" anything. I thought it an odd choice of word regarding racism.
Good luck in the big apple.



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