Prophet Muhammad and his wives

melika969 Hi, I have another question. I have not read Quran totally and I am not sure about this, but some friend who is anti Islam told me that there is in Quran that all women on the planet earth are halal for prophet Muhammad. Is this right? Oops I'm sorry. I supposed to put this in religion section. My bad! shafique I'm sure a moderator can move this thread to the Religion section. To my knowledge, Allah does not say in the Quran that all women are Halal for the Prophet, pbuh. Therefore your friend is mistaken - and should have given you a reference in any case. The only difference between the Prophet, pbuh, and other men in relation to marriage of women is in the number of wives he was allowed to have at the same time. He was allowed by God to have more than 4 wives - and who these wives were is a matter of historical record (mostly divorced or widowed women - and some married for political reasons, such as Safiyyah and Mariam). If your friend has a particular Quranic verse in mind, perhaps we can look at that - but the above is my current understanding of the issue. Cheers, Shafique melika969 thanks Shaf, I asked him and he referred me to this book, which qouted form Quran: Ahzab, verse 50 I guess ( donno the exact english words) “يا اَيُّهاَ النَّبيُّ اناّ اَحْللنْالَكَ اَزْواجَكَ اِللاتی آتَيْتَ اُجُورهُنَّ وَ ما ملَكَتْ يَمينُكَ ممّا اّفاء اللهُ عَلَيْكَ وَ بِناتِ عَمّكَ وَ بنَاتِ عّماتكَ وَ بَناتِ خالكَ وَ بَناتَ خالاتِكَ اِلاّتی هاجَرْنَ مَعَكَ وً امْرأة مؤمنَةً اِنْ وَهَيَتْ نَفْسها للنَّبِيّ اِنْ اَرادَ النبيّ اَنْ يَسْتَنُكحها خالصةً لَكَ منْ دَوُن المُؤمِنينَ قَدْ عَلمْناَ ما فَرَضْنا عَلَيْهمْ فی اَزْواجِهِمْ وَ ما مَلَكَتْ اَيْمانُهُمْ لِكيْلاَ يَكُونَ عَلَيْكَ حَرَجُ وَ كانَ اللهُ غَفُوراً رَحيماً. do u know arabic? shafique No, I'm not fluent in Arabic and rely on English translations.
The verses in question are from Ch 33:

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  50. O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.
  51. Thou mayest defer (the turn of) any of them that thou pleasest, and thou mayest receive any thou pleasest: and there is no blame on thee if thou invite one whose (turn) thou hadst set aside. This were nigher to the cooling of their eyes, the prevention of their grief, and their satisfaction - that of all of them - with that which thou hast to give them: and Allah knows (all) that is in your hearts: and Allah is All- Knowing, Most Forbearing.
  52. It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and Allah doth watch over all things.
  

(Yousuf Ali translation)
v50 details who the Prophet, pbuh, could lawfully marry (a point emphasised in v 52).
There are separate verses which say that Muslim men can only marry a total of 4 wives, and who they can and cannot marry legally.
As I said, my reading of the above is that the only difference between 33v50 and the verses relating to Muslim men is in the restriction of the numbers of wives to 4 for other men.
Cheers,
Shafique Berrin The Ideal Husband

By Fethullah Gulen
Muslim Intellectual — Turkey

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• Prophet Muhammad personifies the roles of perfect father and husband. He was so kind and tolerant with his wives that they could not envisage their lives without him, nor did they want to live away from him. He married Sawdah, his second wife, while in Makkah. After a while, he wanted to divorce her for certain reasons. She was extremely upset at this news and implored him, "O Messenger of Allah, I wish no worldly thing of you. I will sacrifice the time allocated to me if you don't want to visit me. But please don't deprive me of being your wife. I want to go to the hereafter as your wife. I care for nothing else" (Muslim).
  The Messenger did not divorce her, nor did he stop visiting her.
  Once he noticed that Hafsah was uncomfortable over their financial situation. "If she wishes, I may set her free," he said, or something to that effect. This suggestion so alarmed her that she requested mediators to persuade him not to do so. He kept his faithful friend's daughter as his trusted wife.
  Separation Calamity
  All of his wives viewed separation from the Messenger of Allah as a calamity, so firmly had he established himself in their hearts. They were completely at one with him. They shared in his blessed, mild, and natural life. If he had left them, they would have died of despair. If he had divorced one of them, she would have waited at his doorstep until the Last Day.
  After his death, there was much yearning and a great deal of grief. Abu Bakr and `Umar found the Messenger's wives weeping whenever they visited them. Their weeping seemed to continue for the rest of their lives. Muhammad left an everlasting impression on everyone. At one point, he had nine wives and dealt equally with all of them and without any serious problems. He was a kind and gentle husband, and never behaved harshly or rudely. In short, he was the perfect husband.
  Each of his wives thought that she was his most beloved.
  A few days before his death, he said, "A servant has been allowed to choose this world or his Lord. He chose his Lord" (Al-Bukhari). Abu Bakr, intelligent and smart, began to cry, understanding that the Prophet was talking about himself. His illness got worse daily, and his severe headache caused him to writhe in pain. But even during this difficult period, he continued to treat his wives with kindness and gentleness. He asked for permission to stay in one room, as he had no strength to visit them one by one. His wives agreed, and the Messenger spent his last days in `A'ishah's room.
  Most Beloved
  Each wife, because of his generosity and kindness, thought she was his most beloved. The idea that any man could show complete equality and fairness in his relationships with nine women seems impossible. For this reason, the Messenger of Allah asked God's pardon for any unintentional leanings. He would pray, "I may have unintentionally shown more love to one of them than the others, and this would be injustice. So, O Lord, I take refuge in Your grace for those things beyond my power." (At-Tirmidhi).
  What gentleness and sensitivity! I wonder if anyone else could show such kindness to his children or spouses. When people manage to cover up their lower inborn tendencies, it is as if they have done something very clever and shown tremendous willpower. But they sometimes expose these very defects unconsciously while bragging of their cleverness. The Messenger, despite showing no fault, sought only God's forgiveness.
  His gentleness penetrated his wives' souls so deeply that his departure led to what they must have felt to be an unbridgeable separation. They did not commit suicide, as Islam forbids it, but their lives now became full of endless sorrow and ceaseless tears.
  The Messenger was kind and gentle to all women, and advised all other men to follow him in this regard. Sa`d ibn Abi Waqqas described his kindness as follows:
  `Umar said: One day I went to the Prophet and saw him smiling. "May God make you smile forever, O Messenger of God," I said, and asked why he was smiling. "I smile at those women. They were chatting in front of me before you came. When they heard your voice, they all vanished," he answered still smiling. On hearing this answer, I raised my voice and told them, "O enemies of your own selves, you are scared of me, but you are not scared of the Messenger of God, and you don't show respect to him." "You are hard-hearted and strict," they replied. (Al-Bukhari )
  The Messenger discussed matters with his wives as friends.
  `Umar also was gentle to women. However, the most handsome man looks ugly when compared to Joseph's beauty. Likewise, `Umar's gentleness and sensitivity seem like violence and severity when compared to those of the Prophet. The women had seen the Messenger's gentleness, sensitivity, and kindness, and so regarded `Umar as strict and severe. Yet `Umar shouldered the caliphate perfectly and became one of the greatest examples after the Prophet. He was a just ruler and strove to distinguish right from wrong. His qualities enabled him to be caliph. Some of his qualities might seem rather severe; however, those very qualities enabled him to shoulder very demanding responsibilities.
  Consultation
  The Prophet did consult with his wives. The Messenger discussed matters with his wives as friends. Certainly he did not need their advice, since he was directed by revelation. However, he wanted to teach his nation that Muslim men were to give women every consideration. This was quite a radical idea in his time, as it is today in many parts of the world. He began teaching his people through his own relationship with his wives.
  For example, the conditions laid down in the Treaty of Hudaybiyah disappointed and enraged many Muslims, for one condition stipulated that they could not make the pilgrimage that year. They wanted to reject the treaty, continue on to Makkah, and face the possible consequences. But the Messenger ordered them to slaughter their sacrificial animals and take off their pilgrim attire. Some Companions hesitated, hoping that he would change his mind. He repeated his order, but they continued to hesitate. They did not oppose him; rather, they still hoped he might change his mind, for they had set out with the intention of pilgrimage and did not want to stop half way.
  Noticing this reluctance, the Prophet returned to his tent and asked Umm Salamah, his wife accompanying him at that time, what she thought of the situation. So she told him, fully aware that he did not need her advice. In doing this, he taught Muslim men an important social lesson: There is nothing wrong with exchanging ideas with women on important matters, or on any matters at all.
  She said, "O Messenger of God, don't repeat your order. They may resist and thereby perish. Slaughter your sacrificial animal and change out of your pilgrim attire. They will obey you, willingly or not, when they see that your order is final" (Al-Bukhari).
  He immediately took a knife in his hand, went outside, and began to slaughter his sheep. The Companions began to do the same, for now it was clear that his order would not be changed.
  The Messenger encouraged us through his enlightening example to behave kindly with women.
  Counsel and consultation, like every good deed, were practiced by God's Messenger first within his own family and then in the wider community. Even today, we understand so little about his relationships with his wives that it is as if we are wandering aimlessly around a plot of land, unaware of the vast treasure buried below our feet.
  Two Halves
  Women are secondary beings in the minds of many, including those self-appointed defenders of women's rights as well as many self-proclaimed Muslim men. In Islam, a woman is part of a whole, a part that renders the other half useful. We believe that when the two halves come together, the true unity of a human being appears. When this unity does not exist, humanity does not exist — nor can prophethood, sainthood, or even Islam.
  Our Prophet encouraged us through his enlightening words to behave kindly to women. He declared, "The most perfect believers are the best in character, and the best of you are the kindest to their families" (Abu Dawud and At-Tirmidhi). It is clear that women have received the true honor and respect they deserve, not just in theory but in actual practice, only once in history — during the period of Prophet Muhammad.
  This World or the Next
  The wives of the Messenger were given the choice of remaining with him or leaving:
  [O Prophet, say to your wives: "If you desire the life of this world and its glitter, then come! I will provide for your enjoyment and set you free in a handsome manner. But if you seek God, His Messenger, and the Home of the Hereafter, verily God has prepared for you, the well-doers among you, a great reward."] (Al-Ahzab 33:29)
  A few of his wives who wanted a more prosperous life asked, "Couldn't we live a little more luxuriously, like other Muslims do? Couldn't we have at least a bowl of soup every day, or some prettier garments?" At first sight, such wishes might be considered fair and just. However, they were members of the family that was to be an example for all Muslim families until the Last Day.
  The Messenger reacted by going into retreat. The news spread, and everyone rushed to the mosque and began to cry. The smallest grief felt by their beloved Messenger was enough to bring them all to tears, and even the smallest incident in his life would disturb them. Abu Bakr and `Umar, seeing the event in a different light as their daughters were directly involved, rushed to the mosque. They wanted to see him, but he would not leave his retreat. Eventually, on their third attempt, they gained entry and began to rebuke their daughters. The Messenger saw what was happening, but only said, "I cannot afford what they want" (Muslim).
  The Qur'an declared [O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women] (Al-Ahzab 33:32).
  Others might save themselves by simply fulfilling their obligations, but those who were at the very center of Islam had to devote themselves fully so that no weakness would appear at the center. There were advantages in being the Prophet's wives, but these advantages brought responsibilities and potential risks. The Messenger was preparing them as exemplars for all present and future Muslim women. He was especially worried that they might enjoy the reward for their good deeds in this world and thereby be included in [You have exhausted your share of the good things in your life of the world and sought comfort in them](Al-Ahqaf 46:20).
  Life in the Prophet's house was uncomfortable. For this reason, either explicitly or implicitly, his wives made some modest demands. As their status was unique, they were not expected to enjoy themselves in a worldly sense. Some godly people laugh only a few times during their lives; others never fill their stomachs. For example, Fudayl ibn `Iyad never laughed. He smiled only once, and those who saw him do so asked him why he smiled, for they were greatly surprised. He told them, "Today I learned that my son `Ali died. I was happy to hear that God had loved him, and so I smiled" (Abu Nu`aym, Hilyat al-Awliya'). If there were such people outside of the Prophet's household, his wives, who were even more pious and respectful of God and regarded as Mothers of the Believers, would certainly be of a higher degree.
  It is not easy to merit being together with the Messenger in this world and the hereafter. Thus, these special women were put to a great test. The Messenger allowed them to choose his poor home or the world's luxury. If they chose the world, he would give them whatever they wanted and then dissolve his marriage with them. If they chose God and His Messenger, they had to be content with their lives. This was a peculiarity of his family. Since this family was unique, its members had to be unique. The head of the family was chosen, as were the wives and children.
  The Messenger first called `A'ishah and said, "I want to discuss something with you. You'd better talk with your parents before making a decision." Then he recited the verses mentioned above. Her decision was exactly as expected from a truthful daughter of a truthful father: "O Messenger of Allah, do I need to talk with my parents? By Allah, I choose Allah and His Messenger" (Muslim).
  `A'ishah herself tells us what happened next: "The Messenger received the same answer from all his wives. No one expressed a different opinion. They all said what I had said." They did so because they were all at one with the Messenger. They could not differ. If the Messenger had told them to fast for a lifetime without break, they would have done so and endured it with pleasure. However, they endured hardship until their deaths.
  Some of his wives had enjoyed an extravagant lifestyle before their marriage to him. One of these was Safiyyah, who had lost her father and husband and had been taken prisoner during the Battle of Khaybar. She must have been very angry with the Messenger, but when she saw him, her feelings changed completely. She endured the same destiny as the other wives. They endured it because love of the Messenger had penetrated their hearts.
  Mothers of the Believers
  The Messenger was the perfect head of a family.
  Safiyyah was a Jew. Once, she was dismayed when this fact was mentioned to her sarcastically. She informed the Messenger, expressing her sadness. He comforted her saying, "If they repeat it, tell them, 'My father is Prophet Aaron, my uncle is Prophet Moses, and my husband is, as you see, Prophet Muhammad, the Chosen One. What do you have more than me to be proud of?'"
  The Qur'an declares that his wives are the Mothers of the Believers (Al-Ahzab 33:6). Although 14 centuries have passed, we still feel delight in saying "my mother" when referring to Khadijah, `A'ishah, Umm Salamah, Hafsah, and his other wives. We feel this because of him. Some feel more love for these women than they do for their real mothers. Certainly, this feeling must have been deeper, warmer, and stronger in the Prophet's own time.
  The Messenger was the perfect head of a family. Managing many women with ease, being a lover of their hearts, an instructor of their minds, an educator of their souls, he never neglected the affairs of the nation or compromised his duties.
  The Messenger excelled in every area of life. People should not compare him to themselves or to the so-called great personalities of their age. Researchers should look at him, the one to whom angels are grateful, always remembering that he excelled in every way. If they want to look for Muhammad they must search for him in his own dimensions. Our imaginations cannot reach him, for we do not even know how to imagine properly. God bestowed upon him, as His special favor, superiority in every field.
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  * This article was taken, with slight modifications, with kind permission from the author's website.
  Fethullah Gulen is an influential Turkish Muslim intellectual who inspired a series of social activities, including a transnational education and business network, interfaith dialogue forums, and multicultural encounters.

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By Sahar El-Nadi
Consultant & Writer

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  I have a question regarding marriage and the wives of Muhammad. Why is it that, if Islam only permits up to four wives, and even then does not encourage it, Muhammad took nine wives?
  Also, one of his wives was only seven years old when he married her, and nine when he consummated the marriage, according to your Web site. This seems to me akin to child molestation!
  Also, one of his children was not from one of his wives, but from one of his "right-hand possessions" to quote your own Web site. Why is a woman called a possession? Is this a concubine? Why did he have intercourse outside of wedlock? Weren't nine women enough for him? Muhammad's own lifestyle seems to contradict the very teachings Islam claims regarding marriage and women.
  
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  Salam Amy,
  Thank you for the ongoing dialogue with our page. We enjoy bouncing ideas back and forth with you, as it seems you're researching Islam diligently.
  Women are often brought into the picture when discussing Islam because their status — if not studied thoroughly and objectively — is severely misunderstood. Under those inaccurate assumptions, Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is often accused of practicing and encouraging unjust treatment of women, while the truth is actually the opposite — as I hope you will see after reading this answer.
  I'm encouraged by your thoughtful, questioning nature to attempt to crystallize the true picture of this great man. Let's take an objective peek into his life, to examine whether or not Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is that repelling womanizer. But first let's go a little further back in history to look at the domestic lives of other prophets preceding Muhammad and what their Scriptures tell us about their stance towards the polygamy issue:
  Other Prophets Practiced Polygamy
  The fact that only Muhammad is accused of polygamy is rather surprising, since this is a privilege enjoyed by prophets before him. Their wives and concubines came in great numbers, too! The Torah, the Bible, and the Qur'an tell of some of them; the rest are not mentioned so we don't know, but among the ones who were polygamous we can count Prophets Ibrahim (Abraham), Ya`qub (Jacob), Dawud (David), and Sulayman (Solomon). The Scriptures talk of polygamy as a "favor" bestowed upon them from the Lord.
  First Kings 11:1-3 indicates that King Solomon had 700 hundred wives and 300 hundred concubines! In sealing treaties in ancient days, it was customary for a lesser king to give his daughter in marriage to the greater king. Every time a new treaty was sealed, Solomon ended up with yet another wife. These wives were considered "tokens of friendship" and "sealed" the relationship between the two kings. (Reasoning from the Scriptures on 1 Kings)
  Scripture indicates that David also acquired wives and concubines, David's blessings, including his wives, were given to him as a result of God's favor (2 Sam. 5:12-13; 12:8; D & C 132:39). Scriptural records say that the Lord did command some of his ancient saints to practice plural marriage. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—among others (D & C 132)—conformed to this ennobling and exalting principle; the whole history of ancient Israel was one in which plurality of wives was a divinely accepted and approved order of matrimony. Those who entered this order at the Lord's command, and who kept the laws and conditions appertaining to it, have gained for themselves eternal exaltation in the highest heaven of the celestial world. (Mormon Doctrine of Plural Marriage p. 578)
  Islam Didn't Invent Polygamy but Only Regulated It—in Favor of Women!
  From the above accounts, we can clearly see that Prophets—including Muhammad—were allowed to be more polygamous than their followers, not just for carnal reasons, but for political and religious reasons pertaining to their call. Consequently, it is groundless to wonder why Muslims can't marry 12 wives like their prophet, just as it is groundless to wonder why Jews and Christians can't marry 700 like theirs! Islam didn't invent polygamy; Islam only made polygamy more humane, instituting equal rights for all wives. And even so, Muslim women are not forced to accept this and may put a condition against it in their marriage contract.
  The Qur'an Is the Only Holy Book That Actually Says "Marry Only One"
  Images of "sheikhs with harems" are not consistent with Islam, as, in fact, the general rule in Islam is monogamy not polygamy. the Qur'an says what means:
  *{Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one.}* (An-Nisaa' 3:3)
  Polygamy in Islam is not recommended; it is only permitted under certain guidelines. Permission to practice polygamy is not associated with mere satisfaction of passion. It is, rather, associated with compassion toward widows and orphans.
  Before the Qur'an was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygamy, and many men had more than four wives. Islam put an upper limit of four wives, permitting a man to marry more than once, only on the condition that he deal justly with all of them. Yet the same verse points out:
  *{Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women}* (Al-Nisaa' 3:129)
  Therefore polygamy is not a rule but an exception.
  Why Is the Exception of Polygamy Allowed in Islam?
  The exception is made for many reasons, but let's note only one here, addressing your concern that Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) "had intercourse outside of wedlock."
  In Western society, it is common for a man to have mistresses or multiple extra-marital affairs. Women in this case are degraded to mere sex objects with absolutely no rights; they're usually on the losing end of such liaisons. The same society, however, cannot accept a man having more than one wife so that women can retain their lawful rights and lead an honorable, dignified, and respectable life.
  If every adult American man married only one woman, there would still be more than 25 million women in the United States who would not be able to get husbands, at least considering that—according to latest statistics—10 percent of the American population is gay! That's close to 30 million people!
  Thus the only option for a woman who cannot find a husband is either to marry a married man or to become "public property." Islam gives women the honorable position by permitting the first option and disallowing the second. At least one of the reasons Islam has permitted limited polygamy is to protect the modesty of women!
  Islam's Straightforward Approach in Problem Solving
  In Islam, problems are supposed to be faced and solved—not ignored! So, rather than requiring hypocritical compliance, Islam provides legitimate and clean solutions to the problems of individuals and societies. There is no doubt that the second wife legally married and treated kindly is better off than a mistress without any legal rights. Through practical example, Prophet Muhammad as the guide of Muslims has set the applicable rules for this aspect of human relations in order not to leave anything for speculation.
  Stages of the Prophet's Married Life
  First, let's remember that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) led a life supported only by the bare minimum of necessities. His wives were not idly wasting away the hours in a luxurious harem but led a life of labor and sacrifice, while he was mostly busy away from home overseeing his numerous duties as a Prophet. So, obviously, lust was not a factor, as he wasn't even at home most of the time. Further, most of his marriages occurred at an age when lust is not a major factor in any man's life:
  1. He remained single until age 25.
  2. From age 25 to 50 he was faithful to only one wife, Khadijah, who bore all his children except one. She was 15 years older than him, with children from two previous marriages. She was his greatest ally when he received the Call at age 40 until she died when he was 50 years old. He remained in love with her until he died and often talked of his life with her with great nostalgia.
  3. Between ages 50 and 52 he remained unmarried and mourning his late beloved wife. He lived alone with his daughters.
  4. Between ages 53 and 60 he married all his other wives for many noble reasons detailed below. It's unimaginable for a man to suddenly turn lustful at this age, especially as he was constantly traveling, with bloodthirsty enemies on his heels.
  5. At age 60, Allah revealed to him verse preventing him from marrying any more until he died, which was at age 63. The Qur'an says what means:
  *{It is not lawful for you (to marry other) women after this, nor to change them for other wives.}* (Al-Ahzab 33:52)
  Reasons for the Prophet's Marriages
  We can categorize all his marriages under two aspects of his personality:
  - Muhammad the man who needed a loving wife, children, and a stable home, so he married Khadijah and remained with only her for 20 years until she died.
  - Muhammad the Prophet who married the other wives for reasons pertaining to his duty to deliver the Message to the world. Those particular women were carefully selected, not just haphazardly "acquired" for carnal reasons, as suggested. Here are some of the reasons for which Muhammad married:
  1. To pass on Islam to the next generations as a practical legacy
  Prophet Muhammad is the only prophet without any privacy, and with a meticulously preserved tradition in speech and actions in all minute details of his public and private life. Preserved in the sharp minds of his wives and his Companions, those narrations comprise the "daily life manual" for Muslims to follow until the end of time. The fact that Islam was spread on the shoulders of women and preserved in their hearts is a great honor to the females of this Ummah. The books of authentic Hadith attribute more than 3,000 narrations and Prophetic traditions to his wives alone.
  2. To cement the relations of the budding nation
  In a tribal society, it was customary to seal treaties through marrying into tribes. Muhammad's closest Companions later became the four caliphs who led Islam at the critical stage after his death. Two of them were the fathers of his wives `A'ishah (daughter of Abu Bakr) and Hafsa (daughter of `Umar); the other two married his daughters (`Uthman married Ruqayyah and Zainab in succession, and `Ali married Fatimah).
  3. To teach Muslims compassion with women
  He taught them to be compassionate not just to the young and beautiful maidens, but more so to the weak and destitute widows, divorcees, orphans, and elderly women. Islam teaches that women are to be respected, protected, and cared for by their men folk. They're not to be cast out to face a harsh life alone while able men around them just pity them and do nothing to help, or worse, use their weakness to take them as mistresses!
  4. To offer a practical role model to Muslims until the end of time
  Although many believing women often approached Muhammad offering him themselves in marriage, he politely turned down their offers. Most of his wives after the death of Khadijah were old, devoid of beauty, and previously married, except `A'ishah, who was the only young virgin. He married from other nations and religions; some were the daughters of his worst enemies, and his marriage to one woman won all her people into Islam. Regardless of his neutral feelings towards many of them, he was a model example of equal justice and kindness to them all, and he would never discriminate among them.
  Who Were the Prophet's Wives?
  Prophet Muhammad married 12 wives in his life. When he died he had 9 wives. They have a very special status in the hearts of Muslims as the "Mothers of the Believers," as the Qur'an instructs, and they are the source of a great amount of wisdom which they learned while living close to such a great man. Perhaps you'd like to research a bit to find their beautiful stories, so here are their names: Khadijah bint Khuwaylid, Sawdah bint Zam'ah, `A'ishah bint Abi Bakr, Hafsah bint `Umar ibn Al-Khattab, Zaynab bint Khuzaymah, Umm Salama, Zaynab bint Jahsh, Juwayriah bint Al-Harith, Umm Habibah, Safiyah bint Huyay ibn Akhtab, Maymunah bint Al-Harith, Maria the Copt.
  Can We Consider His Marriage to `A'ishah a Case of Child Molestation?
  To answer your speculation, let's continue our objective trip into the past. Obviously, when traveling back in time 1400 years to examine a lifestyle we never witnessed, it is unfair to apply our present day standards, so let's listen to the experts. Authentic historical records prove that the social traditions of the time and place—regardless of religion—considered Arab females as women as soon as their menstrual cycles began. The custom was to give daughters in marriage at that age. This was practiced by all dwellers in Arabia before Islam: pagans, disbelievers, Jews, and others. It's a fact that female menstruation in hot climates starts much earlier than in cold climates, so females in Arabia matured as early as 8 or 9; they also aged earlier than other women.
  It's a neglected fact that before she was married to Muhammad, `A'ishah had been engaged to an infidel, Jubair ibn Mus'ab ibn Ady. Her fiancé broke the engagement on the basis of religious difference. So her father, Abu Bakr, agreed to give her hand in marriage to the Prophet.
  The Great Wisdom in Selecting `A'ishah in Particular as a Young Wife
  `A'ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) came from a house famous for learning and memorizing great quantities of knowledge; her father was a live encyclopedia of Arab tribal pedigrees and poetry. She inherited his ability, and in her young, intelligent, receptive mind, she preserved a precious portion of Islam she learned during seven years of marriage, for 47 years after the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and she taught thousands of men worldwide their religion as she had learned it firsthand from the Prophet. To our present day, she is considered among the most prominent Islamic scholars, and she holds extremely high esteem in the hearts of all Muslims as such and as "the beloved of the Prophet," who often mentioned her as the human he loved the most on the face of this earth. With her, he built a model Muslim home for Muslims to strive to imitate forever.
  Was Maria the Copt a Slave, a Concubine, or a Wife of the Prophet?
  Slavery already existed long before Islam. It was a system whereby a human captured in wars or kidnapped could be sold as a "possession." That term applied to both sexes, not to women only. In some cultures slaves were considered subhuman and treated brutally. In Europe, for example, Romans threw Christian slaves to the lions while the public cheered; female slaves were thought to have no souls and were tortured mercilessly; slaves lived in degrading conditions; both sexes were forced to offer sexual favors to their masters; and as "possessions" they had no choice, no will, and no rights.
  Islam recognized the human rights of slaves and encouraged Muslims to set slaves free. Islam prohibited adultery and homosexuality, and prevented forcing female slaves into sexual acts against their will. Islam encouraged educating them, setting them free, then legally marrying them and giving them their moral and financial rights. The reward for this—as mentioned in Prophetic Hadith—is eternal residence in Paradise.
  Maria was not a concubine; she was a slave owned by Egypt's Christian governor, who offered her and her sister Serine—among other presents—as a "gift of good will" to the Prophet in reply to his envoys inviting him to Islam. On her way from Egypt to Madinah, she was curious to learn about "her new master" and listened to his Companions talk about him. As a result, she became Muslim before meeting Muhammad. Scholars' opinions vary of her status afterwards; here is the opinion I support:
  One of the prominent Al-Azhar scholars, Sheikh Abdul Majid Subh, states:
  "Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), instead of taking concubines, entered into lawful marriages based on reason and wisdom. Maria the Copt was given to him as a present, but rather than taking her as a concubine, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) married her, thus elevating her status by marriage."
  Women's Rights in Islam Surpass Modern Systems
  If women in the Muslim World today don't have their rights, it is not because Islam didn't give them rights. Alien traditions have overshadowed the teachings of Islam, either through ignorance or the impact of colonialism. Most of the so-called modern reforms in the status of women appeared after the West abandoned religion for secularism. Those in the West who claim to follow the Judeo-Christian tradition really follow the values of Western liberalism.
  In England and America less than fifty years ago, a woman could not buy a house or car without the co-signature of a male "guardian"! In Contrast, Islamic Law guaranteed rights to women over 1400 years ago that were unheard of in the West until the 1900s.
  Numerous verses of the Qur'an state that men and women are equal in the site of Allah; the only thing that distinguishes people in His site is their level of God-consciousness.
  Islam teaches that a woman is a full person under the law, and is the spiritual equal of a male. Women have the right to own property, to operate a business, and to receive equal pay for equal work. Women are allowed total control of their wealth. They cannot be married against their will, and they are allowed to keep their own name when married. They have the right to inherit property and to have their marriage dissolved in the case of neglect or mistreatment. Islam does not consider woman an "evil temptress," and thus does not blame woman for Original Sin (a doctrine that Islam rejects). Women in Islam participate in all forms of worship that men participate in.
  Prophet Muhammad's mission stopped many of the horrible practices against women that were present in the society of his time. He actually harnessed the unrestricted polygamy of the Arabs of the time, and put many laws in place to protect the well-being of women. In his Farewell Sermon just weeks before his death, he summarized the teachings of Islam to the believers in a final farewell. His last words were "Be kind to women!"
  Thank you and please keep in touch.

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• Why did the Prophet Muhammad marry many wives?
  When Muhammad was twenty-five years old he married for the first time. His wife, Khadijah, was fifteen years older than him. She remained the only wife of the prophet for the next twenty-five years, until she died (may Allah be pleased with her).
  Only after her death did the prophet marry other women. Now, it is obvious that if the prophet was after physical pleasure he did not have to wait until he was more than fifty years old to start marrying more wives. He lived in a society in which it was quite acceptable to have many wives. But the prophet remained devoted to his only wife for twenty-five years. When she died she was sixty-five years old.
  His later marriages were for various reasons. Some marriages were with the view to help the women whose husbands had been killed while they were defending their faith. Others were with a view to cement relationships with devoted followers like Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with him. Yet others were to build bridges with various tribes who were otherwise at war with the Muslims. When the prophet became their relative through marriage, their hostilities calmed down, and much bloodshed was averted.
  Recent non-Muslim writers who had the opportunity to study the life of the prophet first-hand reached a similar conclusion about his plural marriages.
  John L. Esposito, Professor of Religion and Director of the Centre for International Studies at the College of the Holy Cross, says that most of these marriages had "political and social motives" (Islam: The Straight Path, Oxford University Press, 1988, p. 19). This he explained as follows:
  As was customary for Arab chiefs, many were political marriages to cement alliances. Others were marriages to the widows of his companions who had fallen in combat and were in need of protection (John L. Esposito, Islam: The Straight Path, pp. 19-20).
  Esposito reminds us of the following historical fact:
  Though less common, polygyny was also permitted in biblical and even in post-biblical Judaism. From Abraham, David, and Solomon down to the reformation period, polygyny was practiced (p. 19).
  Another non-Muslim Caesar E. Farah writes as follows:
  In the prime of his youth and adult years Muhammad remained thoroughly devoted to Khadijah and would have none other for consort. This was an age that looked upon plural marriages with favor and in a society that in pre-biblical and post-biblical days considered polygamy an essential feature of social existence. David had six wives and numerous concubines (2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3) and Solomon was said to have had as many as 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3). Solomon’s son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines (2 Chronicles 11:21). The New Testament contains no specific injunction against plural marriages. It was commonplace for the nobility among the Christians and Jews to contract plural marriages. Luther spoke of it with toleration (Caesar E. Farah, Islam: Beliefs and Observances, 4th edition, Barron’s, U.S. 1987, p. 69).
  Caesar Farah then concluded that Muhammad’s plural marriages were due "partly to political reasons and partly to his concern for the wives of his companions who had fallen in battle defending the nascent Islamic community" (p. 69).
  When people hear that the prophet had many wives they conclude without much thought that the prophet was a sensuous man. However, a quick historical review of his marriages, proves otherwise.

melika969 Well these quotations sound more like criticism than compliments to me:
"Each of his wives thought that she was his most beloved."
Ok, So was he lying to them? He treated each of them like they are the most beloved!
"We believe that when the two halves come together, the true unity of a human being appears."
Well, So why a messenger should have 9 wives in a same time! I mean this is not two halves! This is like ten pieces come together!
About this thing married or divorced woman whom the prophet had taken care of them by marrying them, why he couldn’t take care of them without marrying them? I mean he could provide the food and shelter and ask some other of his followers to marry them! It seems they would be more than happy to obey all his rules. melika969 honestly I am not reading all of this! I had enough of them in school! ;) please if you want to give me an answer, kindly give a short simple one, Thanks :) Berrin Why you see them as criticism is I think due to 1- you don’t have strength in English language 2- you rather opt for laziness and don’t have sincere intention to read and understand matters on philosophical grounds 3- you are skeptic or have prejudices towards Islam…

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• “Each of his wives thought that she was his most beloved”….

If you read the paragraph above this quote/sentence, you would see the reason why…
It means that despite he had many wives, he was so equal in love, respect, honouring and care that none of his wives were able to distinguish any error in him on personal level or have the slightest doubt of him leaning more towards one or the others.

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• "We believe that when the two halves come together, the true unity of a human being appears."
  Well, So why a messenger should have 9 wives in a same time! I mean this is not two halves! This is like ten pieces come together!
  About this thing married or divorced woman whom the prophet had taken care of them by marrying them, why he couldn’t take care of them without marrying them? I mean he could provide the food and shelter and ask some other of his followers to marry them! It seems they would be more than happy to obey all his rules.

"We believe that when the two halves come together, the true unity of a human being appears." is a true statement, I recommend to read it in context as is given in the paragraph and don’t mix it with reasons behind why prophet Muhammad was allowed to marry many wives ( this has been explained in the article I provided)…
God creates woman because woman was meant to be the other half of men. Today both in the western and eastern societies couples marry, this means two halves come together for true unity of human beings….
Despite this fact, How many men respect this and give proper threatment to their wives even though they are married to one wife, let alone being married to so many? Unless you are able to answer this dilemma you have no right to criticize God, given permission to his prophet Muhammad to marry more than one…(May be he was meant to be a role model and contrast on moral grounds….it is intriguing that what he achieved with so many wives in those primitive days, still cannot be achieved with one wife today - in modern times..… There is a true contrast and lessons to be learned indeed…
The reasons for the prophet’s marriages are explained in the second article…Do not mix todays social practices with of those primitive Arabic customs and traditions…For example in those days, there were no institutions to take care of elderly/widowed that were degraded and were not regarded as eligible to re marry…It is only our prophet that taught his society to grand them protection and respect by taking them as wife’s and his lawful wives within wedlock and not in illegitimate relationship..

So I suggest you don’t ignore what I provided and read them all, that is the only way to have full awareness and cope with jahil / jahilliye (ignorance)..
Well I am rather surprised Melika that you had enough of them at school but you still don’t know? How strange is that?
It seems as if you had been thought enough maybe infact “short and simple” but you still don’t understand. I believe you can do yourself a great compliment if you go back to proper sources and study all over again…
I don’t understand the fact that you will trust and believe someone who will put it short and simple but won’t have the courage/motivation to do your own study and reading and then have questions that would need clarifying and verification…
Today if islam has a bad name, its because it’s followers don’t bother to read and understand its scope for constructive debate and justification…
I was born in and living in a secular society and see the areas where secularism/democracy fails to regulate….I turn to islam and the more I read about it, the better I am convinced that there is no other system on earth that provides better justice, equity, protection, peace, economic gain and rights for a human society etc..
This has been proved before but needs to be proved again today and that will only be achieved as long as the rulers and managers of Islamic states have wider wisdom and that are well trained for proper Islamic vision that islam dictates as human’s mission…
And that they are not taken in by the wordly gains and that they have better control of their own self (nefs and fitrah).. melika969 you are getting me wrong, I had most of my life reading about Islam... and I have alot of experince dealing with people with your mindset. Sorry we absolutely have different logic and your reasons are not convincing for me. thanks for the articles again.

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Berrin Opting for patheticness is an easy option than over reasons justified.. Come back with your justification, only then you have a word to say and my respect in my mind... melika969 this is the second time you are calling me pathetic, be sure I won't tolerate it the next time! PM me ur email address I will send u my reasons, I don't wanna bring up tension in an open islamic environment. rudeboy

• melika969 wrote:
  Well these quotations sound more like criticism than compliments to me:
  "Each of his wives thought that she was his most beloved."
  Ok, So was he lying to them? He treated each of them like they are the most beloved!
  "We believe that when the two halves come together, the true unity of a human being appears."
  Well, So why a messenger should have 9 wives in a same time! I mean this is not two halves! This is like ten pieces come together!
  About this thing married or divorced woman whom the prophet had taken care of them by marrying them, why he couldn’t take care of them without marrying them? I mean he could provide the food and shelter and ask some other of his followers to marry them! It seems they would be more than happy to obey all his rules.

meliaka if i had 4 wives ( :D i wish :D ) obviously I will say to all of them that they are my most beloved ones. How do you know if I am telling the truth or not? You wont but you will know that I will do my best to treat them equally which means giving them equal love, care and affectionate. This is what He did or tried to do.
"We believe that when the two halves come together, the true unity of a human being appears." Thats a saying and maybe 12 women equalled to one man? maybe it took 12 women to make Muhammad (pbuh) a great human being?
Ok he had to marry them in order to take care of them. Imagine this your husband died and no man in the whole of arabia would marry you. And if they saw you hanging around with one guy they probably thought of you as a prostitute or would talk behind your back. But if you were married to that ONE particular guy no1 would talk behind your back nor would they call you a prositute. This thing still happens in the Muslim world. I am sure that He asked his followers to marry women in such situations and they probably did. Berrin

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• you are getting me wrong, I had most of my life reading about Islam

You had most of your life reading/studying but you can't seem to explain things why... This is not expected from someone who knows a lot through proper means of education...
therefore either give your justification and or don't opt for patheticness..that's how I see it even if you don't mean it...
And yet we provide you to expain why...but then you turn your back and acuse of people for being of one particular mindset...
How appropriate is this from a day-time modern wise woman?
Is this the way how things should be dealt with in case of perceptive differences? how sad...
As long as you quote well judged arguments on logical and contructive terms, there will be no tention here and everyone who knows better will give their contribution...
But to do that you have to give up your prejudices about islam first...otherwise given you a pm or e mail communication will not make much difference I know.. Tom Jones Why don’t you guys give her a straight, simple answer? Nobody is going to read all these lengthy sermons! I asked a devout Moslem colleague/friend the same question. He said making it “halal” for the Prophet (in the verse you quoted) means halal (OK) for him to marry any woman from the categories listed in the verse. Marry, not just sleep with!! Not sure if that’s really correct!!!! 8) 8) melika969 ok first I think you should give up ur prejudices about me! I am trying to be nice to u and ur religion and respect ur opinions but like a lot of other people with ur MINDSET, u just don't get it and keeping on calling me pathetic! 1. ur urge to talk alot is like mullahs, they ramble and ramble and ramble, with no sense actually, I needed a quick short answer, this man has nine wives in a same time and all of them felt like they are the ONE! so he was lying to them! with each of them he was acting like she is the one! so he is a liar! your prophet! (people easy here! I tried to not put this out in a public forum but Berrin rejected this) 2. If he was a complete man, why for God's sake he needs to have 9 wives!! was this part of his mission to make all the women on the earth happy and lucky?!!! I don't think so really 3.u are saying he was such a capable man! he can be fair to all his numerous wives in a same time! and u r proud of ur prophet because of this! why?why?why? why at first he should have nine wives so he will trat them with fair and justice! this is just funny 4.and again, if he wants to protect and take care of the women, he could do this with not marrying them! or ask his followers to marry them! 5. Do not try to underestimate my education and readings about Islam! in high school, in primary school, in undergraduate university, and in the graduate university I read about this religion! So back of buddy! and do not dare to call me with ur abusive language again, cause be sure I m not one of those 9 wives of ur prophet! 6. in my mind,Mohammad is very very smart guy with lots of experience cause of his business arnd the world, and I m not sure about if he was schizophrenia and gabriel was his imaginary friend, or he was fooling people with his extraordinary talent. but obvious for me, he is not a msger of God! sorry again other members of the forum, I meant not to disrespect ur idea and religion, but I had to reply Berrin... rudeboy wow another one who hates Islam and Muhammad (pbuh). lol why dont they bloody go read about islamic books. Berrin The way you put yourself across,speaks out what you are yourself... You know you don't have to try hard, everyone sees it but not you yourself? Red Chief

• desertdudeshj wrote:
  Now you see Melika your trying to further your anti islamic agenda and instigate an argument. Your pretense was you were looking for an answer for a paticular question.
  Now if you want to be a full time anti islam troll then I suggest you join the ranks of rattyboy ( event horizon ) and shafique will handle you. I served this duty on many reliogious forums and now retired as it is just a waste of time.
  

$hit, Bloody dude has found another trol. :twisted:
When are you going to stop witch hunting? Give people a chance to express their opinion. Live and let live. melika969 Good for you DD! dee7o melika969: If you don't mind me asking what do you actually believe in now (in terms of religion)? I can answer your questions but it is much easier for me to relate to your mindset if I know what your belief system is (if you have one). melika969 Well dee7o thank u but I already got my answer from these guys here! when I ask about the number of the wives they respond me with that "he was an ideal husband"! like if anyone is a good husband they should MARRY all the women on the earth!! Belief system is something personal,and this is an open forum about an Islamic region. So I am not open about talking about mine. but thank you for your offer. rudeboy

• melika969 wrote:
  Well dee7o thank u but I already got my answer from these guys here! when I ask about the number of the wives they respond me with that "he was an ideal husband"! like if anyone is a good husband they should MARRY all the women on the earth!!
  Belief system is something personal,and this is an open forum about an Islamic region. So I am not open about talking about mine. but thank you for your offer.

lol lets bash islam and its prophet but we arent allowed to talk about your religoin :D heheh good one i love the spirit. rudeboy

• dee7o wrote:
  melika969:
  If you don't mind me asking what do you actually believe in now (in terms of religion)? I can answer your questions but it is much easier for me to relate to your mindset if I know what your belief system is (if you have one).

since she is from Iran, she could be a shia or a christian or even someone who believes in that evolution crap. if thats the case just put a bike in the middle of the desert and ask her what created the bike and she will tell you it came there scientifically through evolution blah blah blah :D melika969

• rudeboy wrote:
  just put a bike in the middle of the desert and ask her what created the bike and she will tell you it came there scientifically through evolution blah blah blah :D

heh!!
at least I don't believe there were Eve and Adam, who ate some apple or wheat etc etc and their God kicked them out from the Heavn!
I think God created the bike for your prophet because he was such an ideal bike rider! and of course he made a verse for it in his holy book! because it is very important he has the right to riding the bike, it had to come in the holy book!
Just try to learn to respect other's opinions without laughing! There is a very slight probability that you may be WRONG!!! rudeboy

• melika969 wrote:
  
  • rudeboy wrote:
    just put a bike in the middle of the desert and ask her what created the bike and she will tell you it came there scientifically through evolution blah blah blah :D
  
  heh!!
  at least I don't believe there were Eve and Adam, who ate some apple or wheat etc etc and their God kicked them out from the Heavn!
  I think God created the bike for your prophet because he was such an ideal bike rider! and of course he made a verse for it in his holy book! because it is very important he has the right to riding the bike, it had to come in the holy book!
  Just try to learn to respect other's opinions without laughing! There is a very slight probability that you may be WRONG!!!

obviously you have no respect for Islam or even its Prophet (pbuh), so all I can say is that I pray that God puts some kindness in your heart.
Secondly you are right its your opinion about a man who changed the face of the earth and millions try to be like him. So either your opinion about him is wrong or maybe the millions who try to follow him are wrong. Just to make you happy, its the millions of people who are fools and are on the wrong path.
3rdly you havent quoted any verse from the Quran therefore NO1 can help you and sorry to disappoint ya but there is no SHORT Answer :D And if you are not BOTHERED to read long articles or do some research about Islam or even listen to some of the members on this forum then whats the point in discussing with you? You have already made your mind up from day one that you DONT like ISLAM nor do you like Muhammad (pbuh) so why discuss more. Like a member said here " Dont feed the tramps" and I hope people wont. But if you are a genuine person willing to learn about Islam then please quote from the Quran and try to understand what other members of the forum have to say. rudeboy

• melika969 wrote:
  
  • rudeboy wrote:
    just put a bike in the middle of the desert and ask her what created the bike and she will tell you it came there scientifically through evolution blah blah blah :D
  
  heh!!
  at least I don't believe there were Eve and Adam, who ate some apple or wheat etc etc and their God kicked them out from the Heavn!
  I think God created the bike for your prophet because he was such an ideal bike rider! and of course he made a verse for it in his holy book! because it is very important he has the right to riding the bike, it had to come in the holy book!
  Just try to learn to respect other's opinions without laughing! There is a very slight probability that you may be WRONG!!!

Wrong about what????? melika969

• rudeboy wrote:
  
  obviously you have no respect for Islam or even its Prophet (pbuh), so all I can say is that I pray that God puts some kindness in your heart.
  Secondly you are right its your opinion about a man who changed the face of the earth and millions try to be like him. So either your opinion about him is wrong or maybe the millions who try to follow him are wrong. Just to make you happy, its the millions of people who are fools and are on the wrong path.
  3rdly you havent quoted any verse from the Quran therefore NO1 can help you and sorry to disappoint ya but there is no SHORT Answer :D And if you are not BOTHERED to read long articles or do some research about Islam or even listen to some of the members on this forum then whats the point in discussing with you? You have already made your mind up from day one that you DONT like ISLAM nor do you like Muhammad (pbuh) so why discuss more. Like a member said here " Dont feed the tramps" and I hope people wont. But if you are a genuine person willing to learn about Islam then please quote from the Quran and try to understand what other members of the forum have to say.

I respect everybody’s opinion and I repeat this several times.
Millions of people follow him and more millions do not! So who is the fool?!! Besides, be sure number of followers doesn’t indicate if someone is right or wrong… about 500 years ago almost all people on the earth believed that the planet is flat! So were they right?
If you bother to read the thread correctly, you could see that I QUOTED a verse of Quran… but you are just busy with accusing and abusing!
Oh and BTW, I don’t need ur prayers to God to put kindness in my heart! What makes u sure than u r a better person than me? Berrin Ohh nevermind rudeboy, we know that the whole world is also full of the deaf and the dumb and the blind as God adresses in the Quran...
I am just thinking if you tell her that to get completly vanished at death she would have to kill her own soul before, I am sure she would have an attempt to due it hopelessly, but not a chance unlike her body she can neither see it nor grab a hold of it until of course on the day when she will be faced and held accountable in the hands of her creator.
See read this,

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• Who are the People the Qur’anic Verses 2:18 and 2:171 Refer to?
  "They are utterly deaf, dumb, and blind; they can no longer recover." (Al-Baqarah, 2:18]
  "They are deaf, dumb and blind, and so they have no understanding of (what is said to them)." (Al-Baqarah, 2:171)
  One of the above verses is about hypocrites; and the other is about unbelievers. As clearly expressed in these verses, the state of hypocrites and unbelievers are considered as equal to being deaf, dumb, and blind in their difficulty to digest the truth, in the way they view events, and in their injustice. However, the two verses differ in their essence: one of them implies for these groups inability to find their original disposition (fitrat al-asliya) and former state of being, while in the other verse there is an emphasis on failure in using their reason. What joins these groups in their common deafness, dumbness, and blindness is the fact that both cannot evaluate truly the "book of the universe," a book laid out before their very eyes in the form of an exhibition so that they can find out about the Almighty Creator; they cannot analyze the cosmos comprehensively, nor can they interpret events by reading between the lines. They do not give the slightest importance to the books, nor do they lend a listening ear to their conscience.
  If they had made good use of the books and their conscience, then they would have been able to testify to the truth—as the believers do—by using their intelligence. This way they would also have returned to their original innate nature; as a result, they would have lived their lives according to God's commands and prohibitions. Truly, they are deaf because, while every creature in the universe announces the existence of God in its unique tongue, they are incapable of hearing that. They are dumb because they are incapable of acknowledging what they feel in their inner consciousness. They are blind because they cannot see the ways which lead humans to the truth of God's existence and His oneness.
  To consider more deeply these verses, "La ya'qilun" is used for the unbelievers, meaning that they do not use their intelligence and they do not actually think. As a matter of fact, if they had taken time to think, then they could have found the ways leading to faith easily. Indeed, the obstinate unbelievers of the city of Meccahad persecuted the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, and his companions for long years. Yet, when they truly recognized how Muslims were and how they lived in an environment of peace after the Hudaybiya Treaty, the unbelievers turned their heads towards the right path saying, "We have been in great error!" For such a level of realization to be possible for unbelievers is largely dependent on their endeavor to think and to make a rational assessment of the situation; thus, the Qur'an concludes the verse about unbelievers with the expression "La ya'qilun."
  The Qur'an describes the hypocrites as follows: "Vacillating between (the believers) and (the unbelievers), neither with these, nor with those" (An-Nisa 4:143). In other words, they frequently go from one place to the other; they represent being deprived of light both in their vision and in their conscience. In addition, as they limit their lives to this world, they have been living in indifference and recklessness in this world. Belief and unbelief do not make any difference to them; they desire to live in a place where the living standards are high and where they become comfortable. Hence, they even go to the masjid and pray when necessary; nevertheless, they pray ostentatiously and lazily, as the Qur'an says: "When they rise to do the Prayer, they rise lazily, and to be seen by people (to show them that they are Muslims); and they do not remember God (within or outside the Prayer) save a little" (An-Nisa 4:142). This demonstrates that the hypocrites, in one sense, keep living in an Islamic way and they even follow the Prophet; nonetheless, they are still far from seeing the truth because their hearts are veiled and their thoughts are far from faith and sincerity.
  Therefore, the biggest problem of the hypocrites is their insincerity. Accordingly, the Qur'an uses the expression, "La yarjiun" —"they cannot return to the truth and the purity that they originally had"— for the hypocrites as a characteristic. Also, the verses in chapter Al-Munafiqun (The Hypocrites) are concluded either as "La ya'lamun" —"They do not know"— or "La yafqahun" —"They do not understand." Expressions like "La a'qilun, la yatafaqqarun" —"They do not consider, they do not think"— are not used for hypocrites because those expressions are the attributes of unbelievers.
  

rudeboy

• melika969 wrote:
  
  • rudeboy wrote:
    
    obviously you have no respect for Islam or even its Prophet (pbuh), so all I can say is that I pray that God puts some kindness in your heart.
    Secondly you are right its your opinion about a man who changed the face of the earth and millions try to be like him. So either your opinion about him is wrong or maybe the millions who try to follow him are wrong. Just to make you happy, its the millions of people who are fools and are on the wrong path.
    3rdly you havent quoted any verse from the Quran therefore NO1 can help you and sorry to disappoint ya but there is no SHORT Answer :D And if you are not BOTHERED to read long articles or do some research about Islam or even listen to some of the members on this forum then whats the point in discussing with you? You have already made your mind up from day one that you DONT like ISLAM nor do you like Muhammad (pbuh) so why discuss more. Like a member said here " Dont feed the tramps" and I hope people wont. But if you are a genuine person willing to learn about Islam then please quote from the Quran and try to understand what other members of the forum have to say.
  
  I respect everybody’s opinion and I repeat this several times.
  Millions of people follow him and more millions do not! So who is the fool?!! Besides, be sure number of followers doesn’t indicate if someone is right or wrong… about 500 years ago almost all people on the earth believed that the planet is flat! So were they right?
  If you bother to read the thread correctly, you could see that I QUOTED a verse of Quran… but you are just busy with accusing and abusing!
  Oh and BTW, I don’t need ur prayers to God to put kindness in my heart! What makes u sure than u r a better person than me?

yes I can see you quoted from the QURAN and Shaf has replied to that perfectly and Berrin has explained further the reasons as to why a muslim can marry 4 times. It is NOT necessary that a muslim marries 4 times but it is only if circumstances force you to then you should.
no1 is accusing you nor abusing you. We all are suggesting that you put your figures and facts in front of us so that we can help you. But when you say you have read about islam alot in the school etc etc it shows to us that you have already made up your mind. But if you are willing to learn about Islam then you should have a pure hearth and a clean heart.
I didnt say that I or anyone else is a better person than you :S If I said that please show me where I wrote that. I only said that God puts kindness in your heart so you dont have any ill feelings towards muslims, Islam or its prophets.
I could have swore at you and declared Jihad on you but I asked for kindness. Hey if you think muslims are fools then you dont need to worry about me asking from God for your kindness ;)
People thought the world was flat MILLIONS of years ago because they didnt have the technology nor the books etc etc.
Yes milllions dont follow Islam but Millions do but since you are in the Modern age you can research, read about it and to see whether Islam makes any sense when compared to other religions.
But like I said if you believe in evolution crap thats a whole story together. There are plenty of those on this forum and they will try to figure out scientifically what was the source of the pepsi can on the middle of the road :D melika969

• Berrin wrote:
  Ohh nevermind rudeboy, we know that the whole world is also full of the deaf and the dumb and the blind as God adresses in the Quran..
  I am just thinking if you tell her that to get completly vanished at death she would have to kill her own soul before, I am sure she would have an attempt to due it hopelessly, but not a chance unlike her body she can neither see it nor grab a hold of it until of course on the day when she will be faced and held accountable in the hands of her creator.
  

Do not be sure about anything Berrin! who are you to judge me?!
I know what will happen to me after death! You are the one who believed there is gonna be "Qiaamat" and you are looking forward to go to your "Jannat" (heaven).... and yeah at that day you will laugh at me caue I am one of the sinners who go to the hell!! aaaahhh you wish Berrin! you just wish to see that day, don't you?
As I said several times, I grown up with Islamic books, Islamic thoughts, Islamic education... and where do u think I got the idea this whole is a ....? (now I am censoring myself)
I read, I asked, I debated, I discussed... and sorry now I am just tired of people with stone mindsets who just worshiping their religion and prophet! melika969 It was not millions years ago rudeboy, the church (another body of religion) was trying to burn galile (i dont know the correct spelling) 500 yrs ago when, maybe you need to read more... you think there is a lack of kindness in my heart that's why I can't see the glory of ur religion, in the other hand u are threatening me with Jihad!!!! hahahahaha, you know that I live in a country with jihadists, dont u? this is one of the other miracles of your religion, they are allowed to kill people who doesn't wanna be muslim anymore! beautiful! desertdudeshj Well to be honest Melika there is NO short yes/no or one line answer for any complex question. rudeboy

• melika969 wrote:
  It was not millions years ago rudeboy, the church (another body of religion) was trying to burn galile (i dont know the correct spelling) 500 yrs ago when, maybe you need to read more...
  you think there is a lack of kindness in my heart that's why I can't see the glory of ur religion, in the other hand u are threatening me with Jihad!!!! hahahahaha, you know that I live in a country with jihadists, dont u?
  this is one of the other miracles of your religion, they are allowed to kill people who doesn't wanna be muslim anymore! beautiful!

you sound like one nutter seriously mate :D you got issues and i suggest you go and see a physcatrist. Here we are talking about the Prophets wives and now you want to talk about Jihad. no1 here is discussing about jihadists in iran lol WHEN the effing hell did I threaten you with JIHAD :S Obviously you dont understand English and when I say I was being sarcastic I hope you understand what I was trying to say.
Honestly there is no fun in chatting with you, if you want to have a serious discussion then please quote from the quran or from some articles. You are entitled to think whatever you like about Islam, thats your opinion. But you can go and research about it and then maybe your opinion will change.
Oh yeh I know you have grown up with Islamic studies etc etc in Iran. But thats Shia islam, I suggest you do your own research on the true islam and I hope you do find it.
As for Qaimaat etc etc we all will be judged and questionable to God himself. No1 is judging you here but you will offend some people by making false acusations about Islam and its prophets. By the way muslims do not WORSHIP their prophet, they try to be like Him i.e a good human being. desertdudeshj [Kafiroon 109:6] lakum deenakum walia deen : For you is your religion, and for me is mine. melika969 ppppppfffffffffffffffffffffffffff All I can say to you rudeboy! you don't deserve anymore... DD, Dont get me started abt contradictions in Quran, this is the law in Islam ,if you are muslim and u dont wanna be anymore a muslim you are a murtid and you should be killed! desertdudeshj Ahh you got me all wrong, the quotation is basical reads " you do what you think is right and let me do what I think is right and lets just leave it at that " From my muslim point of view the message has reached you. Whether you choose to follow or believe it or not is your choice. correct ? dee7o

• melika969 wrote:
  Well dee7o thank u but I already got my answer from these guys here! when I ask about the number of the wives they respond me with that "he was an ideal husband"! like if anyone is a good husband they should MARRY all the women on the earth!!
  Belief system is something personal,and this is an open forum about an Islamic region. So I am not open about talking about mine. but thank you for your offer.

No problems and of course you are open to having your own opinions. No offense intended though; if you feel unsafe talking about your belief system in this forum, it is probably better not to instigate a discussion on religion at all in this medium. It is probably more beneficial for you to seek information from someone in person where you would be more encouraged to talk freely. Just what I think, but I am often wrong :) melika969

• dee7o wrote:
  
  • melika969 wrote:
    Well dee7o thank u but I already got my answer from these guys here! when I ask about the number of the wives they respond me with that "he was an ideal husband"! like if anyone is a good husband they should MARRY all the women on the earth!!
    Belief system is something personal,and this is an open forum about an Islamic region. So I am not open about talking about mine. but thank you for your offer.
  
  No problems and of course you are open to having your own opinions. No offense intended though; if you feel unsafe talking about your belief system in this forum, it is probably better not to instigate a discussion on religion at all in this medium. It is probably more beneficial for you to seek information from someone in person where you would be more encouraged to talk freely. Just what I think, but I am often wrong :)

:sunny: melika969

• desertdudeshj wrote:
  Ahh you got me all wrong, the quotation is basical reads " you do what you think is right and let me do what I think is right and lets just leave it at that "
  From my muslim point of view the message has reached you. Whether you choose to follow or believe it or not is your choice. correct ?

correct DD, so ask other guys what will happen to u if u do not wanna be a muslim anymore? desertdudeshj Now you see Melika your trying to further your anti islamic agenda and instigate an argument. Your pretense was you were looking for an answer for a paticular question. Now if you want to be a full time anti islam troll then I suggest you join the ranks of rattyboy ( event horizon ) and shafique will handle you. I served this duty on many reliogious forums and now retired as it is just a waste of time. I don't need to ask anyone for anything and niether I have ever done this. For me the Quran and hadith are sufficent and answer all my questions to above my satisfaction level and that is more than enough for me. Cheers