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r3ay-alborsh hi guys see the pic of porshcayaean in this web and tell me what you think about it :?:
Salman_20VT Porsche Cayenne is one of the best off-roaders indeed! It won several awards in North America and the only 4x4 to complete the death valley challenge in 24hrs in the deserts of America where temperatures are above 50'C!!!, So am a big big fan of these three sister offroaders: Cayenne, Touareg and Q7. Brilliant job done by VAG :!: If you want good performance on the road and off the road than go for Cayenne Turbo. A perfect blend of the luxuries of a high-class saloon car, and a powerful 4x4 you could get in these cars! and they're all priced well. If you're one of those who always dream of owning a Porsche, and than regret that gosh if only you could take your Porsche anywhere you want (on and off the road), than the Cayenne is for you my friend :lol: cheers. fayz Salman you should go into marketing although I don't think I've ever seen a Cayanne off road.
Stock I really don't like them, but invest in a kit, something like this:

or this:

Then I'm a fan :) kanelli Those do look better than the stock ones for sure. Bleakus sorry dude, but the nissan is better in the desert than a porshe caynee sniper420
hahaha cos u have one eh? Bleakus
yep, but the point is that nissan is better in the desert, it has a magic of its own ;)
the_zooter I prefer the stock ones myself - although the "S" version looks better than the standard version. :oops: Salman_20VT
hey dude, i respect your opinion about Nissan! Indeed it is good in offroading, but have you driven Porsche Cayenne?? well I have driven!! My friend rashid has Cayenne S, we go once in a month to hatta, falaj-mu3alla, dhaid and all the possible desert roots! I drive half the time, trust me mate, as soon as you get into desert..its a magic! the car pulls for it self!!! just select the terrain type, engage the fourwheel mode and suspensions, sit back and enjoy the sand dune bashing! my friend and I know some local guys..they go for Awafi challenges and races, they mostly have Nissan Patrol (same model as your's) And they are too impressed by Cayenne! Infact some said Cayenne Turbo is best for sand dune racing!! Wallah! and the word they used was ''saiyara khateer hadey'' for Cayenne, means its a solid monster car!! so my friend do not underestimate any brand of car!
All are good vehicles! none of them are bad, but the point is that the guy asked only about ''what do you think of Porsche Cayenne'' so I told him only about the Cayenne, and the things which are good about Cayenne i told him....so what's your opinion about (only Cayenne) mate?
cheers Bleakus
no doubt about it, porsche is amazing car to drive. its just the nissan can take the beatings of the desert when you drive hard in the desert. Who in their sane mind will jump off a dune with a porsche cayenne. its too depressing even too imagine ;)
\m/ rock on dude

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r3ay-alborsh porsh is better than nissan because in desret porsh cayaean is stronger than nissan and in road porsh stronger than nissan and nissan for porsh is notting :P Salman_20VT
Well said mate :wink:
Because we can not compare the German technologies with the Japanese one's. The Cayanne Turbo is the world first SUV to have a stock fitted massive 550 BHP monster Porsche engine(Beyond compare)! This awsome HP is produced @6700 rpm, gross!!!!! 0-100 in 4.2 sec. Imagine how much will be the torque of this wonderful engine!!! The torque and the displacment should be more in order produce massive horsepowers in the deserts which the Cayanne is blessed with!! :lol:
Now I know you can also modify your 'Patrol' engine too, but you're gonna be spending about 100 dirhams for nothing, say even if you got a 1000 horsepower nissan engine by fitting all those turbo-chargers, cams, big manifolds etc...the nissan engines can not bear that amount of load and complexity!! So what happen's? after a thudery burst of sound while racing up a sand dune....the engine block blows out in flames!!! (which has happened so many times that i don't even remember! back in Awafi) which the locals don't bother at all, they simply change with the new engine block and heads and race again!! But Porsche's engines are MADE FOR PERFORMANCE!!!! hardcore heavy-duty performance my friends!
If you want to compare Porsche, compare it with its class of vehicles (Lamborghini, Ferrari, Lotus, Aston Martins) not NISSAN for God sake :?
Coming to Jap cars, well the Patrol (2007) has a superb 4500 VTC engine which has a reasonable 280bhp @ 4800rpm. Which is not bad for offroading, Cayanne Turbo however has a massive 500bhp (can be increased to 550 by Al Naboodah) @ 4700rpm! Tell honesty, which car would perform better in desert?? the one with 280hp? or 500hp?
Certainly every car has its own value and grace, and we should all admire it too, but we cannot pass out a ''Commandment'' that says Nissan IS BETTER than Porsche!! That would just be an unfare way to judge cars!
P.S. I agree that Nissan can take the beatings of desert! You will also not feel bad when you jump from dunes or drive scary! But you can certainly count on Cayanne for doing all that too, the Hydrolics of Cayanne and its chessis, differential systems are made and designed to perform by the rules of off-roading! The Porsche has joined hands with Volkswagen to build a car which is a pure off-roader and can undergo thru ANY off-roading situations.
Hope you'll understand the significance of an exotic car such as Porsche! discoaster Gemballa rulez Bleakus no probs dude ;) r3ay-alborsh nissan patrol have one something bad it engine burn loats of patrol i goaed to the nissan company i said to them why nissan burns alot of patroal they said because it have astrong machine and its machine gets very hot Bleakus
unless you put a maxima fan for the engine....no probs ;) r3ay-alborsh if i put 2 fans for nissan patrol how it will be Bleakus i dont know dude, you should try it...one is enough r3ay-alborsh i have nissan model 1993 it very strong but when i drive it sometimes it shakes very strong and when i go to speed 180 the machine get sooo warm? why :?:
fayz
for body kits i prefer TechArt over Gemballa but to each its own, the above pictures posted are TechArt. discoaster forget about apparence mate, i am talking about engine upgrades :) have u ever heard the noise coming out from Gemballa Bi turbo beast? it is still in my mind ! Salman_20VT
cheers on that that matey, Gambella Ruuuuuulzzzzzzzzzzz!!! :wink: Salman_20VT
well he's talking about appearance because there's nothing else we can talk about engine tuning, because the Cayenne is blessed with awsome power, every single pulse is a Porsche Power unlimited! The engine needs no more power! it comes standard of 500 horsepower man! You can also updrade the horsepower by 550hp! What else do you need :lol:
Porsche is simply beyond compare :wink:
and i'll say once again Fayz! Gambella rules! :wink: r3ay-alborsh can iput for porshcayaean turbo or no? XRW-147 Even though I am a Porka fan through and through I would still pick a patrol or landcruiser over a cayenne to dune bash. The Cayenne is like an "idiot proof" off roader. Press some buttons and put your foot on the accelerator - where's the fun in that. Dune bashing is an art form in itself and needs some killa driving skillz. XRW-147
Agreed, brain bleeding rumble at its best. XRW-147
Ditto for the Cayenne body kit - TechArt is horn.
Performance, look no further than Salman_20VT
yeah if you're talking particularly dune bashing? i'll choose Nissan Patrol super safari, it has some chemistry with sand dunes, no worries if you drive like a monster in the desert in patrol eih :lol:
But my point was that Cayenne was luxury on and off the road, offcousre the point you said could put in this way, the Cayenne does 50 % of its work by it self! and we do 50% of the rest. But saying it ''idiot proof'' is not appropriate for this dynamic off roader.
cheers :wink: boomtown Hmmm. Turbo Cayennes are one of the best luxury cars in my book and make good power but they are very heavy which means they are not exactly the fastest car on the road. And in the desert - I would rather a good solid Landcruiser everytime. Too much to break on the Cayenne. For me they are too much of a compromise on the road and off the road unless you just want a very nice car to cruise around in. But each to their own 8) bear Something that everyone seems to be forgetting about the 911 with a backpack, unless they have somehow rectified the issue, is that it does not have the traction required to keep a car like that safe off-road.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the stock wheel option is a 20inch wheel with low profiles. Low Profiles have shallow treads. While that may be optimal on a fast car driving on asphalt, it’s just as good as driving racing slicks off road.
I once saw a test drive from the good fellows at Top gear , in which they raced a Cayenne S over a gravel track against a sky diver in a squirrel suit; The fastest that Richard Hammond could get was 30 mph and even then was having trouble controlling the car. Though the Cayenne does have the stopping power of the 911, which is formidable, off road driving requires at least medium tread tires, on sand even more so than on gravel. That is all without getting into the suspension travel, which I am assuming is not very much since there is only about 4 inches between the circumference of the tire and the fender well thanks to those 20's.
Let’s get real for a moment and talk prices. With the [color=blue]Cayenne[/color] starting at [color=blue]AED 182,000.00[/color] as compared to the [color=red]Partol[/color] (which is generally accepted as the benchmark for off road vehicles in the UAE at AED [color=red]142,000.00 [/color]) and the Landcruiser (Known as the king of the desert in Dubai and used worldwide over harsh terrain at AED 158,000.00 ), why would you even think of taking a car that has not been purposely designed for off-road use and costs AED 182K out there. Especially when you know that it’s been designed with the wrong wheels, tires, and suspension and that the maintenance costs will drive you to poverty faster than your children going to university.
Yes, the Cayenne is a good looking card. Yes, it is fast (0-60 in 9.1 and a top speed of 214 mph). Yes, there are a wide variety of kits and modifications that make it even better looking and faster. But no, it does not work properly off road. It’s been built as a luxury card for upper class soccer moms and ballet dads to cart their children around in style. XRW-147
Amen to that. Salman_20VT
Hello,
With all due respect Mr Bear, I don’t intend to disgrace your opinion. As I highly appreciate that you contributed here sparing your precious time. However it feels that some points are very falsely estimated, I agree to the fact that the Cayenne is expensive to maintain to some extent but I’d like to add that it too depends upon the owner. What I don’t agree is that on WHAT basis you stated regarding the Cayenne as:
“ Especially when you know that it’s been designed with the wrong wheels, tires, and suspension ”
This remark is an insult to German engineering! As to how they might design a four wheel car with an inappropriate driving dynamics! This is absolutely not acceptable by any one who is aware of the engineering put behind the Cayenne! Before I say anything further I would like to brief out some essentials which I believe would help you discover the Cayenne in a rather appropriate manner!
Specifications comparing Nissan Patrol, Toyota Land Cruiser and the Porsche Cayenne (all 2006):
Wheelbase for Patrol: 2,970mm
Wheelbase for Land Cruiser: 1,925mm
Wheelbase for Cayenne: 2,855mm
Height of the car (Ground clearance): Patrol is 1,855mm
Land Cruiser is 1295mm
Cayenne is 1,700mm
Tyres: Cayenne (all season 17’’ alloy rims) 20’’ are as an option on Cayenne S and Turbo versions my dear friend.
Patrol (17’’ x 8JJ light alloy rims)
Land Cruiser (16’’ 5 spoke light alloys)
Engine spec. top ranges. Patrol S.Safari ( In-Line 6 cylinders 4,759 cc 4.7 Litres 280bhp )
Land Cruiser VXR ( V8 4.7 Litres, 240 bhp @ 4800rpm)
Cayenne S ( V8 4.2 Litres, 340 bhp @ 6000rpm )
As far as my knowledge goes considering the facts above, I literally find Cayenne S powerful enough overtake other two vehicles. Now in driving dynamics I see only 155mm difference between Cayenne and Patrol! Never the less Cayenne is 405mm higher than Land Cruiser!!!
(Off topic: we spand most of our times in the city! There hardly once in a while we go desert safari! And with that in mind I think Cayenne and Patrol are good!)
Now coming to the point where you said “ Correct me if I'm wrong, but the stock wheel option is a 20inch wheel with low profiles ” Well my dear friend I’m afraid you are wrong! Unlike Patrol and Land Cruiser where there are only two (2) alloy types available, Cayenne on the other hand has thirteen (13) varieties of alloys to choose from, 16’’ all terrain (off-road) alloys to 21’’ Gambella sports edition with low-profile tyres. It is meant for different types of people, some may choose better road handling, some might go for more off-roading so that is why Porsche has one of the most vast rang of accessories and vehicle types for the people to get the exact type of vehicle they want!!! As far as the suspensions are concerned the Cayenne has 500mm and 550mm (air suspension) of wading depth (higher than Patrol and Land Cruiser) and if the Cayenne is set to Terrain II level than the ground clearance further exceeds to 273mm (which again is quite higher that Patrol and LC) Therefore when driving Cayenne off road only a dedicated ultra sensitive computer sensors can detect the difference between some mm change in wheelbase, height, curb weight, and ground clearance between these three vehicles, not humans! We would never feel this slight difference, and it would not affect the over-all performance of these 3 vehicles at all!
The renowned engineering from Germany and other European nations has always proven to be the best, comparing with Japanese engineering is alright, but legitimately stating that Japanese are The Best is pointless, Japanese started manufacturing cars long after their European masters did. They inherited every aspect of automobile engineering from their European and American masters. Yet they have to go a long way till they reach the point where they are head-to-head to German engineering!
I cannot comment of Mr Richard Hammond’s driving a Porsche Cayenne at hardly 40m/h that too with great difficulty controlling! But I drove my friend’s Cayenne S in ‘Al Falaj’ near Masafi desert at nearly 80 km/h!! But I still consider my self a beginner in desert driving, you should see how my friend drives, don’t mind but if an Emarati local was driving Cayenne, than you would’ve know how it is to drive a real off-road style. Ask any local friend if you have one, and dare him to drive the Cayenne V6, and he’ll defeat the Patrol and Land Cruiser V8 on that!! There are various factors involved in driving a certain type of vehicle and judging it honestly by its quality but not just by price.
European engineering is beyond compare!! And Porsche Cayenne is ONE of the most reliable and outstanding 4x4 in the world no doubt!
You have to appreciate the goodness of a particular car if you're broad-minded person :wink:
cheers bear Salman buddy, I never said the Cayenne was a bad car, i said it was no good off-road. I've never been impressed by european engineered cars. However, if i had to choose one, it would most definately not be a Cayenne, it would be a Landrover :D boomtown Let me put it this way. You are driving a 4x4 offroad at modest pace - say 40 kmh. You hit a solid obstacle square on that is 30 cm high. If you have independent front suspension both front wheels will pop up in the air but your chassis will barely lift and you will rip the front diff off into the sand. If you have a solid beam axle the front end of your 4x4 will pop into the air, you may or may not damage your tyres but the truck will be fine. Cayennes and some Landcruisers (the fancy pants ones) come with independent front suspension. Base model Landcruisers come with a solid beam front axle. And that is why I will never drive deep into the desert or outback without a 4x4 with a solid front axle. Salman_20VT
Hi there, well still I honour your choice mate, Land Rover is a though 4x4 indeed. The LR3 and the new Outlander are brilliant work of English engineering, infact the LR3 can go upto 4 feet of depth in the water which is certainly most impressive. However I am not sure if you had experienced the Porsche Cayenne personally, but I asure you! Once you've driven it in the sand. You'll definately change your mind :wink:
See my point is, that people still take German engineering for granted! With out any solid reason, we have to broaden our thinking power. We just consider the price factor and after-sales expenses, there's been a revolution in Europe for automobile engineering to prove that it is indeed the best. Take any brand of European vehicle of recent models and compare it with the old generation of European vehicles, you will find a drastic change in terms of design, technology put behind, sophistication in the vehicle and so on.
The problem is UAE is that people mostly buy used 2nd or 3rd hand european vehicle of previous generations, which are likely to break-down every 5000 kms, because if we buy a used car, we can never judge how the previous owner would've driven it (i mean rash, smooth or normal) so temporarily we might find engines in good condition (cheating to the buyer) but after some time we find car breaking-down all of a sudden.
Therefore the overall impression of european vehicles is not good.
Finally mate, if you want to get most out of German or other European car, I strongly suggest that when ever you buy, buy it brand-new 0km from the showroom :wink:
cheers :)



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