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FTD Saw the last thing I probably ever thought I'd see in Dubai, driving to work and just past city centre mall saw a guy walking down the street wearing a t-shirt with a swastika on it. Now I actually know the original swastika was a Hindu symbol of peace but this was a proper black, in a white circle on red symbol of the nazi party. As there are no elections etc in the Emirates I would have thought support of any, let alone far right politics, is a bit futile. However this kind of thing is banned in a lot of western countries and if not banned, wearing such a t-shirt would pretty much get you lynched in others. So any guesses as to what was what?
gtmash freedom of speech :wink: Misery Called Life Jus some oblivious idiot espousing his fashion statement! RobbyG Someone who doesn't respect the genocide in Europe during WWII and, a UAE law enforcement that practically doesn't give a crap about it either. Or do they,...oficially? Speedhump Only a thought here, but we probably all agree that the people who would take the MOST offence would be Jews and the locals are not too concerned about their sensibilities....one guy wearing a swastika tee say in London would raise an eyebrow or two but would go unmolested. As was said above, freedom of speech. What's the point of your post? And saint robby, bless you, again defending those that for sure don't need your benificence, I now think it's you that has the Messiah complex, not me! :D By the way, and only out of interest, was the swastika facing left or right, because that's where the difference in connotations lies? No-one else has even thought to ask that question. RobbyG Yep, always guarding the weaker in this world. And when they start turn against me...well what do you do with a dog that turns false on you... ;) Speedhump don't know....blame yourself because it thought you smelled funny? dogs are simple creatures, i never had one turn against me and I kept them all my life, all different breeds, i love animals full stop, but i know how to be boss! :P ;) RobbyG Hey, I'm the first to give a cooky OK :D:D:D No cooky? SLAPPPP smoggie
Government official? Snow Sick bastard.

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kanelli Well, the Middle East is the only place you can get away with wearing that t-shirt and have people actually approve and cheer you on. :roll: K-Dog
Na. You'd be surprised to visit back country in Alabama and Georgia, Kanelli kanelli Yeah, true, there are still some other pockets in other countries where that kind of t-shirt would go over well. FTD
I doubt it, leaving the genocide out for a moment, London experienced quite heavy shelling in WWII. Not to mention the amount of lives lost on the front line. People would object, probably physically.

There is freedom of speech in the UAE? Especially to promote the ideologies of far right, facist dicatorships?
Think I'll pass when they have David Irving on at Festival City (sponsored by Etisilat, tickets available from Time Out and Virgin).
The point of my post was that it was such a peculiar sight and something that would have got the wearer a black eye in London, I was trying to dissect the sygnificance of the situation with others here in Dubai, because it plainly confused me.

As I said in the orginal post it was a proper Nazi one sage & onion
It's just an idiot wearing a t-shirt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Snow
Hey, stop accusing, do you need a history lesson to know who the real racist is? KKK, Nazis, Apartheid...wake up! kanelli Yeah, yeah... only white people are racist. We already know that. :roll: sage & onion
Really :?: :lol: :?: :lol: :?: :lol: :?: :lol: Snow
Yes. We also already know!
gamercowboy Do you think that it's actually more correct that someone wearing a swastika should be physically assaulted? Feel free to call him a bigot, an ignoramus, a twat, whatever. He should have the freedom to express his views. The rest of us have the freedom to ridicule/ignore/mock him. You can't destroy an idea. FTD
You're right, life does go on, I slept last night and will have to go to Carre Four today
Just though it was a strange occurance that was worth 5 mins coffee break time talking about on here. FTD
Yeah, equal rights for supporters of mass murderers! sage & onion
Now you are getting ridiculous :roll: FTD
T'was sarcasm against people who say nazi supporters should have freedom of speach. gamercowboy
In essense, yes. Have they actually hurt anyone? Sure, it's offensive and vile but physical assault or any type of corporal punishment, whether extrajudicial or otherwise, is unjustified.
What about all those Che Guevara posters, tshirts, and accessories? Ferdinand Marcos, Josef Stalin, and many other lovely people have supporters to this day. Let them exist and let them spew their bile. It just makes them look even more ignorant than if they were silenced. kanelli I just love how some people only seem to remember racism on the part of Europeans etc. and they completely ignore the many examples of racism committed by non-whites/non-Europeans through history around the world. Freedom of speech is a right, but it can be abused when people spread misinformation to propagate hatred. I am in favour of free speech but do think a line needs to be drawn sometimes. In the case of the t-shirt, one can just walk up to him and tell him his shirt is offensive and makes him look like an insensitive idiot. No physical harm is appropriate. sage & onion
Well said K. desertdudeshj Why not, why can't the dude wear the T-Shirt. Although I'm not a fan of hitler or nazi's but when a european news paper can print material which 1.5 billion people worldwide find extremely offensive and then claim its their right ( freedom of speech etc etc ). Why can one dude wear a T-shirt ! desertdudeshj
Thats because they are so good at it, and there many more examples of it than others. We don't really have to turn back many pages in history to go back to the time when the black and white issue still exsited in the US. In my own living memory there was the apartheid in South Africa. smoggie Sid Vicious wore one and it didn't do him any harm....ah. Misery Called Life
Wat nationality waz that guy of?
If he was of African or Asian descent, then it was probably only a fashion statement.
If he waz Arab, then it culd have been a political statement.
If he was European or American, then he was probably an insensitive fella!
If he was Russian, then he waz probably jus ignorant!
I once met an Indian driver who plastered a cutout of a marijuana leaf on his dashboard! Wen I asked him bout it, he replied dat he thought it was a lotus leaf.........So if an Indian was wearin the shirt then he probably wanted to spread the message of peace! RobbyG
No option with racist bastards in it? :lol: Speedhump
Not true at all. Every ethnic conflict worldwide is racist, and there are countless examples, Look at Sudan, Kurdistan, Yugoslavia, Kazahkstan, etc etc etc, and, well, almost the whole of Africa.
Also did you forget that every black slave taken from Africa was sold to the buyer by another black man? Also slave buyers were not only white. Many slaves were still sold to the Middle East long after slavery was abolished in the UK.
Slavery 'existed in all the ancient civilizations of Asia, Africa, Europe, and pre-Columbian America. It had been accepted and even endorsed by Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, as well as other religions of the world.'
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/med/lewis1.html
In other words racism and slavery was NOT invented by the white man. OK? RobbyG
I wasn't going to reply to them, but you have said it with great words. So I simply can agree and say: Thank you 8) Misery Called Life
Thats very narrow minded of u! Playing on stereotypes, maybe, But racism, Hell No!
U learn these things when u live in a multi cultural enviroment Robby!
Yea i kno I'm generalising big time, but to answer FTD's question, it will do! RobbyG
Actually I was thinking more in line with some of the visitors of this forum who always react with this kind of bias. I was 'thinking broadly minded' this time :D No luck this time... :lol: uaekid hill, call me what you want ! I would say "kill the jew's" and wear its t-shirt. power to the NAZI's. back to the subject... I hat and love whom ever I want, t-shirts don't change facts anyway, don't be shallow gtmash
Eh, slavery was not endorsed by Islam. That is local culture and religion being confused again, like what the Saudis continue to do. The point of Hajj itself is to show that all men are equal, which is why every man is made to wear two pieces of cloth. Speedhump
Hi. I may be misunderstanding what I am reading but can you look at the following, again from the same website:
'The Qur'an, like the Old and the New Testaments, assumes the existence of slavery. It regulates the practice of the institution and thus implicitly accepts it. The Prophet Muhammad and those of his Companions who could afford it themselves owned slaves; some of them acquired more by conquest.'
and:
'The Arabs practiced a form of slavery, similar to that which existed in other parts of the ancient world. The Qur'an accepts the institution, though it may be noted that the word 'abd (slave) is rarely used, being more commonly replaced by some periphrasis such as ma malakat aymanukum, "that which your right hands own." '
Also much more at gtmash
Do you want me to edit that open wikipedia article to reflect my version of the truth? Well, it probably won't stay for long, as the American wiki moderators will jump all over it.
Anyway, I will consult some of my scholarly friends and see what is in the actual Quran. Things may have happened, but it wouldn't mean that the Quran mandated it. DoubleDigit I doubt if he really understood the graphic, just like when sometimes you come across tshirts with risque comments , it does not seem that the girls wearing them really know what they mean. RobbyG
In a world where Israel is known...swastika's are know for sure.
But I can't blame them for wearing that sign, as all Arab nations rather see Israel go out of the region. And I can't blame them for it. But the deeper meaning of that Nazi symbol, ohh thats carved into my system forever...and Jews in general still get spooky when they think back to deportations and gas-chambers ordered by Die SS-generalz. Achtungg!
Its seriously heart breaking sign for some people. Especially the senior Jewish fooks around us and in the States.
Don't make fun of genocide. Its unrespectful in my opinion.
Well, that was the moral lesson for today :lol: :lol: :lol:
Back to daily routine. :twisted: DoubleDigit It was to be expected that the Jewish bankers would finance all factions of the Nazi Party, just as they finance all sides of the wars.Hitler paved the way for the Jewish bankers' war plans and for their planned segregation and expulsion of the Jews. Misery Called Life
Reading into Rothchilds, eh? Speedhump
By all means investigate this, I'm only interested in the truth (and of course your immediate conclusion that Americans would not want to have the truth shown in Wikipedia). Surely not all Americans are Muslim haters just as not all Muslims are terrorists....?
According to these websites (translations from the book itself) the Koran lays down rules for the treatment of slaves, and by so doing it is of course condoning the keeping of slaves, not condemning it. Anyway, let me know what you find out please, thanks.
All Wikipedia articles and amendments should have sources quoted, this one has an abundance.....
:) desertdudeshj Yes Slavery is mentioned in Islam and the Quran and they are to be treated with the utmost respect like a member of the family. They have their rights and everything. Just because its mentioned does not mean its a must or one has to have slaves. It was part of the arabian culture of that time. ( Only recently they have stopped ) Also for expiation of many many sins, freeing of a slave is listed as an option and freeing of a slave carries a humogous reward in Islam. So you could read into that as Islam although does not condone or endorse ( contary to what speedhump said )the keeping of slaves, but greatly encourages the freeing of slaves. Most of this if all ( can't remember now ) is not mentioned in the Quran but the hadith. Also you cannot seriously compare salvery in Islam to that of the salvery of the europeans traders who stacked them boats and took them across the ocean to work as ..er.....well "slaves" if you know what I mean ( Amistad anyone ? ). Everybody knows how they were treated by their white masters. Some were treated respectfully but that was far in few in between and not the norm. Coldwater Somebody told me that it's possible to buy "Mein Kampf" in UAE because it's NOT jew friendly state. So maybe wearing this kind of T-shirt is OK ? Meanwhile in Europe I saw back type of this t-shirt with swastika and words: "f....k your nationality". So many countries so many points of views. So we are accept few of them as "truth"and consider another as unacceptible. desertdudeshj Yes excatly. Some countries you can have d!ck shaped traffic cones but you can't wear a T-shirt with a swastika on it. RobbyG
See the significance of both items:
D!ck shape: All men have one (common thing) ;)
Swastika: WWII human genocide....(I don't wish it ever happens to you)
Thats the difference.... desertdudeshj No its about general sensitivities. Having d!ck shaped cones does not offend anyone there but a swastika does. While having d!ck shaped traffic cones will offened 99% of the population here while a swastika T-shirt won't. RobbyG
Ok, you say cultural sensitivity;
What does a d!ck shape graphic do to me? At max make me blush when its larger than mine...
What does the nazi graphic do to me? At max it will get me a blue eye on the streets/jail ticket and everlasting disrespect from the survivors/relatives of human genocide... Navigator desertdudeshj
Thank you for a little refernce. I read those ayats about keeping slaves. However few questions has remains.
Are there any families having slaves (in sense your words above slavery and Islam) in their respected homes now in UAE? desertdudeshj Now put that in reverse order. I would be greatly offended and embarrased to see those things if I was travelling with my mother, sister or even a lady friend. Seeing a Swastika ..nothing, as mostly we see the swastika more of a hindu symbol then that of a Nazi thing and Indians specially hindus see that as a religious thing first and then anything else. As for the genocide no one here was personally affected by it ( or atleast 99.9% were ) Basically what I'm trying to say is majority of the people really don't care about the genocide infact ( as you might as have seen here aswell ) think deserved it. Although however wrong that might be you can't blame them, because they saw the israeli attrocities first hand and during their life time over and over first. Then some event which happened before they were born and just know what they have seen or heard. So the current hatred towards Israel for their actions kinda makes them feel what happened to the jews durring WWII kinda justified. So to put in very bluntly they don't give a rats @ss. RobbyG Thats my point. To summarize: Killing people....who gives a rats a$$ (according to most Jew haters) Or a harmless reproductive organ that everybody uses for pleasure and reproduction (talking about hypocrite ;)) point made desertdudeshj
Yes they are called maids now and are given peanuts for salaries. RobbyG better one peanut than no peanuts at all ;) better one penus than no penus at all ;) I can handle without swastika's. We all can ;) desertdudeshj Now robby G its not that simple is it now. Reverse the tables. People being killed by the Israel. The western coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan killing so called " enemy combatants". Majority of the western world thinks that these are justified. Becuase you see them as your " enemies " Its diffrent views from diffrent shoes. Try wearing a T-shirt with the star of david here and see what happens to you. Why because Israel is now "our" enemy for carrying out attrocities to "our" people. Also you really woudln't get really upset if someone treated your " enemy " wrong ? In fact some would side with the fact that the enemy of you enemy is our friend though of school. Navigator
Oh..... yes. Now i remember those few good guys from Oman I spoke in some cafeteria in Deira. One of them told me about his housmaid, who lives at him and has a monthly salary $ 200.
But much more point is another. After I saw UAE with my own eyes I understand a major thing about this place. It could be summarized as:
"[color=blue]There is a modern type of slavery. The only matter who you are - local or not. In this way you become a Master if you are local and a Slave if you are foreinger. Because your labour serves to local emiratis good live. But what slaves should does? Yes, to provide a good live for their masters.
No matter how much you get for your work/business. You just a Senior Slave. And your business/work makes local people life easy and free of hardwork[/color]."
And this is right thing for this place, I believe. RobbyG If you see things that way, youre absolutely right. But you MUST see it a little more nuanced. Because what happened in the 1940's during WWII is something that made the Jews get a place of their own in the Middle East. That is were the error was made in the first place. Its the relocation aspect of this group of Jews (Israel) that were 'allocated' a place in the Middle East because the West 'thought there was no problem' back then. How wrong could they be, forcing those Jews upon the Arab and muslim populations. Thats wrong. It doesn't approve killing people. That developed later on as the Jews got greedy but also defended their borders. Unfortunately, the Jews had no other place to go back then. But genocide remains mass killings. Thats why the West is so anxious about religious and anti-capitalistic states obtaining weapons of mass destruction. No way Iran is getting an atomic bomb with 'decree from Allah' to eliminate everyone against Iran.... C'mon, where is the sanity in that! And I'm modest in this, even though I don't believe in God/Allah. My faith lies with the Big Bang theory which is 90 percent verifiable to date. 10 percent of the scientific knowledge is yet to be found in order to explain our existance. No bomb may ever be thrown because of religious believes in my opinion. Swastika's is part of that same sort of forceful propaganda with the wrong intentions as result: genocide (mass murder of certain groups of people). Its insane. Live your life in peace and democracy. Freedom of choice and speech. No cover ups, no nothing. Men and Woman equally strong in every part of life. Respect. desertdudeshj
You do no this was mentioned in the Quran way before any the moderen day scienctist knew about it.
Regarding the Bomb. Its kinda Ironic how the US is so tight assed about other possesing it and casuing genocide about this issue, when seeing that they were the only ones to ever actually use this horrible WMD not once but twice. If trying to wipe out an entire city not once but twice is not genocide then I dunno what is !

Isn't this what every one eventually strives for. To be left alone and live in peace. RobbyG
Well, no I don't know the Quran mentioned that. But there a reason for that. Simply because there are so many different versions of the Quran written these days, that everyone (at least some one did one day whether he was right or not) could have written it. Its the same with the Bible. Who says what's written is true? My great great great great grandpa (respect) didn't know what we know today!? Did he?

I know its sounds ironic. the US can throw a bomb and you (name a state) not. But its really about a learning curve. The US admits it made a huge mistake, but it did end a World War II as the Japanese AND United States got scared bigtime, logically. Fifty years down the road and Japan still have misformed children and severe physical disabilities. Why did you think Japan didn't had an army for decades after they gave up in WWII. War is your worst nightmare and only results in more and more grief and damage. Bombs get bigger and bigger to win!
ps: Both bombs were thrown right after eachother and consequences follow for decades afterwards, next to total destruction of everything in direct contact with the bomb's outwash.

Isn't this what every one eventually strives for. To be left alone and live in peace.
The world get more crowdy everyday and one day we have to shake hands bordering eachother. Have you seen growth figures of 1.3 billion Chinese and 1 billion Indians that reproduce like puppies!? ;) Prepare yourself in Dubai. Here comes a growing middle class sized 50 percent of worlds population running accross your bounderaries and borders in the future :lol:
We better get acquainted now, before we all kill eachother when ends meet. Lets get rid of bombs and bad behaviour and be constructive in trade. The world's demographics look frightening and with rising sealevels...it gets even more crowdy in 50 years from now!!
Don't go in denial please. WE NEED EACHOTHER. Or you must move to outer space earlier than I go 8) :wink: desertdudeshj
Ahh You see thats where your wrong my friend,unlike the Bible the Quran does not have versions ! There is no douay rheims, King James, RSV etc etc What you read ( I assume ) are translations into English or whatever language by the author. The Orginal Quran is in Arabic and that remains unchanged. There are two copies of orginal Quran which were written around 19-20 yrs after the prophets death still around and they match word for word what you will see from a one comming off fresh from a press. Hope thats clarifies that.
As for the rest. Worst case scenario would be if the chinese and indians became one and started to cross breed. I don't think I'm ready for around 2.1 billion chindians RobbyG ;) I think we had enough discussion for the day. We'll continue this one day.... I still have some issues with interpretations and such ;) good discussion, I think. desertdudeshj No worries buddy lemme know when your in the mood to bring up the topic again Navigator RobbyG
I agree with desertdudeshj about Holy Quran and I guess you may refer to some modern Tafsir (comments to ayats i n Holy Quran). In this way we can find affirmations there. But in Quran original arabic text remains unchanged for almost 1500 years.
Meanwhile the Bible were translated, retranslated, rewritten and even edited to become an effective political tool for Church and moharch. So what we have now known as "Holy Bible" is not the same Bible were written thousand years ago.
While the Holy Quran remains unchanged and all efforts to edit it were failed. No we have an original text and many its translations we (non arabic readers) could read.
So the only difference beetween translated Quran is translate itself and Tafsir (comments) just after it's text.
Now resume: your question could be answered by reading the Quran (or its translation to native lang.) and Tafsir.
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Consider United States bombimg Japan with nuclear bombs we could assume it was an military and political show for Soviet Union (first) and a whole world to show US supreme power at the moment. And thousands of civilians were sacrificed fot it. Nevertheless Japan was already been defeated. Snow
Kanelli...yep...it perfectly describes you. Well-done. gtmash
exactly Speedhump
Thanks. That's exactly how I understood it.
So, although the Bible says 'thou shalt not kill', and maybe the Koran has something similiar, and of course other religions, hundreds of thousands of dudes get snuffed each year, many in the name of religions and race war (black, yellow, white, whatever).
The fact that the Koran says that you should treat your slaves nicely, and even get credits in the afterlife for releasing them, and does not say something like 'thou shalt not keep slaves' means that it accepts the existence of slavery without condemning it. I am not disagreeing that slaves in the US were often treated disgustingly, that's without a doubt, but the fact that the Koran says treat your slaves well does not in itself mean that people obeyed, so you can't just hold up those words and say 'slaves were treated better in the Middle East'. Someone already brought up the unpleasant fact of treatment of maids, we know this is an ongoing problem, the stories in the newspapers are not made up. If this can happen today, to the extent where international organizations are concerned enough to make noise, and when the Koran is still the Law, how are we to say that treatment of slaves was actually any better?
The West has always allowed such things to be reported (newspaper reports in the 1800's in the USA were often full of reports of 'kangaroo court' negro hangings, tarring and feathering, etc) and also has allowed these things to be publicly protested against (making it high profile, and rightly so). But I don't think it's safe to assume that white (against african blacks) racism has been 'worse' than any other, especially in countries where people would be scared to speak out against those more powerful than themselves, and this was the comment that I was responding to.
I'm not a holocaust denier, that's another story, but I still think this t-shirt guy would go unmolested in London because people there are maybe too tolerant of abnormal and even insensitive behaviour. It doesn't mean they would agree with his statement and should not be seen as a black mark against them.
Lastly, as I already said, it was coastal blacks that were selling their inland 'brothers' to the slavers (of all colours). Nobody has commented on this? the black reparationists certainly don't seem to ever want to talk about it...... DoubleDigit American Nazis... Today America's largest Neo-Nazi group is the National Socialist Movement (NSM). NSM is a Minneapolis-based hate group known for its Nazi uniforms and open display of explicit Nazi symbols. In the United States, the Constitutional guarantee for freedom of speech allows political organizations great latitude in expressing Nazi, racist or anti-Semitic ideology. Due to First Amendment restrictions, the federal government generally cracks down on such organizations only after members engage in hate crimes and violence. Other American Anti-Semitic Groups:- American Nazi Party Aryan Nations Aryan Brotherhood Creativity Movement Jew Watch Ku Klux Klan Libertarian National Socialist Green Party National Alliance National Independents Movement National Socialist Party of America NSDAP-AO White Aryan Resistance Habibi
love your post...but you shall not discuss religion or politics on public forum ;-) desertdudeshj Why not ? if its respectfull and no name calling and offending statements are made there should be nothing wrong with it. Agreed, these two subjects can stir up quite a few emotions though. As for Speed Humps post I totally agree that yes all religons don't endorse killings and general acts against humanity, but still we see so much of it o a daily basis. Well lets look at it logically. Who is to blame for this. The religon, the scriptures, who ? Basically it boils down to the indiviual. Somebody who is violent and twisted by nature, he will be like this no matter which religon he follows. The other case is when influential people mostly for personal gains manipulate innocents into believing their twisted versions and interpretations. Like lets take the case of the Taliban for example. I can for sure say the majority of them are illiterate and lacking basic education, and have grown with violence in a gun laden violent society. They only end solution they have to every problem is by the gun. Now their so called leaders for own personal gains have manipulated the majority to take up arms and lay down their a version of Islam preached to them by their " leaders " They don't see any wrong what they are doing in fact they are sure they are on the right path. Now who is to blame for this ? Similarly was the case of the Crusaders when the church saw that it was losing politcal influence. The pope called for a Holy war and that it was decreed by god himself. And in the name of religon thousands were masscared. Who is to blame for this ? Now lets look at the issue of slaves and Islam. When someone says the word slave, imdiately the images of poor black folk toiling in cotton fields kidnapped from Africa being tortured and flogged by their white master comes to mind. But you have to understand what kind of slaves the Quran is talking about of the time and what the word slave really meant when it was revealed. Slaves were more like members of the household, some even raised from childhood and some would not leave their masters even when given the choice. You really have look into the kind of cultire that was alive in Arabia at the time. Yes ofcourse their were people who would abuse their wards. So the word Slave todays does not carry the same meaning it did back then. Just like the word Gay carries a totally different meaning now than it did 20 or 30 years ago. Islam brings the message no matter who you are and what colour you are. We are all the same. Like said before the Hajj pilgrimage brings out humanity in millions toghter all dressed in a simple 2 peice white cloth. The person could be the richest man alive, white, black, yellow or even a slave but he is just like the millions others there in the sight of God. I could go on for pages of what this symbolizes but I wont. Also Speedhump brings in again the "freedom of speech" bit by saying in the west these things were and are openly reported, although I wont go into how twisted and baised the media is ( by this I mean all media and not just western ) But you have to understand it's more about culture than anything else. Just as same men are from Mars and women are from Venus ( or was it the other way around :shock: ) The western culture is from Mars and the Eastern, middleastern and asian culture is from venus. But this does not say the they cannot get along with each other just as men and women can, so can they. Just need to learn and understand each other a little better. As in eastern culture its more traditional to hide things under the carpet and show your best side to your neighbours. Try to solve a problem within rather than to flaunt it openly. Say, like you wouldn't want your domestic life( fights ) to be turned into a day time soap opera. Also it is seen as embarassing and humiliating. Like in Japanese culture one would rather die than to be publicly shamed or dishounred. These diffrences in culture are embeded in the society thousands of years old and just because the world has become small through technolgy and communication does not mean there will be one universal culture worldwide. That is also one of the problems everybody is trying to impose their set of values on each other. Oh my god I think I have rambled on long enough for tonite and have a big trip out into the desert tommorow. Adios amigos and amigas. kanelli
So true. But, now the people biased against whites will say that this post must have been written by a white, so go figure... :lol: kanelli
What describes me? Speedhump
The fact that there are so many groups I think shows how misguided they are. They are so splintered surely they would never be a threat to tolerance. Also I have no ideas on numbers personally, but I wonder actually how many people belong to these organisations, as a percentage of the American populace? Every country has their extremists and they make a lot of noise, but they are generally a small minority (for example in the UK, they have never even come close to obtaining any real political power).
I do believe that people should be allowed to say what they think, that's how we learn what is wrong and how to combat it. To repress these nasty people would be a crime itself, however unfortunate it is that we have to listen to them. I'm a bit worried about the suggestion in the UK that the small number of misguided Muslims in the UK that have been appearing and protesting when British troops come home from the ME would be banned from protesting. Although they are unwelcome it's wrong to ban them. They are roundly condemned by the main Muslim leaders, surely that's enough.
The fact that they have never been attacked in the past by the pubic is a demonstration of the reason why I think the guy in the swastika t-shirt would have been safe also. Speedhump
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree that discussion of these subjects is perfectly correct here, when undertaken in an intelligent way.
I note you comments about slavery under Islam, and accept that you must know more about it than I do if you have researched the matter in the past. At least today we all agree that claiming legal ownership of another person is wrong, and as world citizens must fight it whenever it appears to be happening. I'm a terrible one for rights, and I even get heavy with people I see abusing staff in shops (usually sweetly smiling Filipinos) ! :D Coldwater Do you consider everyone expat are "slave" in terms you mean Navigator ? Speedhump
I admit I didn't understand Navigator's post either. Almost all of the companies I deal with in the UAE (and not in the Free Zones) are 51 pct owned by an Emirati, as required under law, but the Emirati only gets a monthly 'salary' to use his name, and he signs a legally binding agrement not to interfere in the running of the business, which is therefore in reality owned by the other shareholders (not often Emirati). So who is the employer/employee there?
In the Free Zones it's even more clear, no Emirati involvement necessary in any company, you own your company yourself.
You can anyway repatriate ALL the profits in either setup.
Reading Navigator's post again, it reads that that all employer/employee relationships anyway come down to owner and slave. A very Marxist way of thinking, and surely outmoded... :) uaekid beat this ... haaretz.c o m/hasen/spages/1072466.html Speedhump and this...but what's the betting in the end the US will just roll over and ask Israel to tickle its tummy just like always. Bora Bora
And let's not forget the boys in the little white hoods and sheets. immortal01 guess he meant no offence or probably din't know what he was wearing ;)



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