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noni Men being men is a bad deal: Guys should evolve beyond masculinity San Francisco Chronicle, October 8, 2006, p. F-3. Also appeared as "The high cost of manliness," posted on Alternet, September 8, 2006. by Robert Jensen It's hard to be a man; hard to live up to the demands that come with the dominant conception of masculinity, of the tough guy. So, guys, I have an idea -- maybe it's time we stop trying. Maybe this masculinity thing is a bad deal, not just for women but for us. We need to get rid of the whole idea of masculinity. It's time to abandon the claim that there are certain psychological or social traits that inherently come with being biologically male. If we can get past that, we have a chance to create a better world for men and women. That dominant conception of masculinity in U.S. culture is easily summarized: Men are assumed to be naturally competitive and aggressive, and being a real man is therefore marked by the struggle for control, conquest and domination. A man looks at the world, sees what he wants and takes it. Men who don't measure up are wimps, sissies, fags, girls. The worst insult one man can hurl at another -- whether it's boys on the playground or CEOs in the boardroom -- is the accusation that a man is like a woman. Although the culture acknowledges that men can in some situations have traits traditionally associated with women (caring, compassion, tenderness), in the end it is men's strength-expressed-as-toughness that defines us and must trump any female-like softness. Those aspects of masculinity must prevail for a man to be a "real man." That's not to suggest, of course, that every man adopts that view of masculinity. But it is endorsed in key institutions and activities -- most notably in business, the military and athletics -- and is reinforced through the mass media. It is particularly expressed in the way men -- straight and gay alike -- talk about sexuality and act sexually. And our culture's male heroes reflect those characteristics: They most often are men who take charge rather than seek consensus, seize power rather than look for ways to share it and are willing to be violent to achieve their goals. That view of masculinity is dangerous for women. It leads men to seek to control "their" women and define their own pleasure in that control, which leads to epidemic levels of rape and battery. But this view of masculinity is toxic for men as well. If masculinity is defined as conquest, it means that men will always struggle with each other for dominance. In a system premised on hierarchy and power, there can be only one king of the hill. Every other man must in some way be subordinated to the king, and the king has to always be nervous about who is coming up that hill to get him. A friend who once worked on Wall Street -- one of the preeminent sites of masculine competition -- described coming to work as like walking into a knife fight when all the good spots along the wall were taken. Masculinity like this is life lived as endless competition and threat. No one man created this system, and perhaps none of us, if given a choice, would choose it. But we live our lives in that system, and it deforms men, narrowing our emotional range and depth. It keeps us from the rich connections with others -- not just with women and children, but other men -- that make life meaningful but require vulnerability. This doesn't mean that the negative consequences of this toxic masculinity are equally dangerous for men and women. As feminists have long pointed out, there's a big difference between women dealing with the possibility of being raped, beaten and killed by the men in their lives, and men not being able to cry. But we can see that the short-term material gains that men get are not adequate compensation for what we men give up in the long haul -- which is to surrender part of our humanity to the project of dominance. Of course there are obvious physical differences between men and women average body size, hormones, reproductive organs. There may be other differences rooted in our biology that we don't yet understand. Yet it's also true that men and women are more similar than we are different, and that given the pernicious effects of centuries of patriarchy and its relentless devaluing of things female, we should be skeptical of the perceived differences. What we know is simple: In any human population, there is wide individual variation. While there's no doubt that a large part of our behavior is rooted in our DNA, there's also no doubt that our genetic endowment is highly influenced by culture. Beyond that, it's difficult to say much with any certainty. It's true that only women can bear children and breastfeed. That fact likely has some bearing on aspects of men's and women's personalities. But we don't know much about what the effect is, and given the limits of our tools to understand human behavior, it's possible we may never know much. At the moment, the culture seems obsessed with gender differences, in the context of a recurring intellectual fad (called "evolutionary psychology" this time around, and "sociobiology" in a previous incarnation) that wants to explain all complex behaviors as simple evolutionary adaptations -- if a pattern of human behavior exists, it must be because it's adaptive in some ways. In the long run, that's true by definition. But in the short-term it's hardly a convincing argument to say, "Look at how men and women behave so differently; it must be because men and women are fundamentally different" when a political system has been creating differences between men and women. From there, the argument that we need to scrap masculinity is fairly simple. To illustrate it, remember back to right after 9/11. A number of commentators argued that criticisms of masculinity should be rethought. Cannot we now see -- recognizing that male firefighters raced into burning buildings, risking and sometimes sacrificing their lives to save others -- that masculinity can encompass a kind of strength that is rooted in caring and sacrifice? Of course men often exhibit such strength, just as do women. So, the obvious question arises: What makes these distinctly masculine characteristics? Are they not simply human characteristics? We identify masculine tendencies toward competition, domination and violence because we see patterns of differential behavior; men are more prone to such behavior in our culture. We can go on to observe and analyze the ways in which men are socialized to behave in those ways, toward the goal of changing those destructive behaviors. That analysis is different than saying that admirable human qualities present in both men and women are somehow primarily the domain of one gender. To assign them to a gender is misguided and demeaning to the gender that is then assumed not to possess them to the same degree. Once we start saying "strength and courage are masculine traits," it leads to the conclusion that woman are not as strong or courageous. Of course, if we are going to jettison masculinity, we have to scrap femininity along with it. We have to stop trying to define what men and women are going to be in the world based on extrapolations from physical sex differences. That doesn't mean we ignore those differences when they matter, but we have to stop assuming they matter everywhere. I don't think the planet can long survive if the current conception of masculinity endures. We face political and ecological challenges that can't be met with this old model of what it means to be a man. At the more intimate level, the stakes are just as high. For those of us who are biologically male, we have a simple choice: We men can settle for being men, or we can strive to be human beings. Robert Jensen is a journalism professor at the University of Texas at Austin and board member of the Third Coast Activist Resource Center /. He is the author of The Heart of Whiteness: Race, Racism, and White Privilege and Citizens of the Empire: The Struggle to Claim Our Humanity (both from City Lights Books).
noni nooooooooo me not saying that at all!!!!!!!!!!! I am sure you a girly girl just like me!!!!!! :oops: bushra21
well lets see...
i am competitive
i am aggressive
i like to have control
conquest...ummm
i love to dominate :twisted:
does that make me a man? noni Does it? :roll: hehe nooo those qualities are typically more seen in males...but tons of females have them too.....just gender bias associates it with masculinity. bushra21 so what are you trying to say noni...im butch grrrrr :twisted: yalla, come here NOW! you have some explainin to do missy :wink: bushra21 if that is what you like :twisted: then sure hehehehehee noni Me confused :roll: bushra21 i can clear things up for you if youd like bear In the poignant words of Russell Peters: “Somebody gonna getta hurt real bad…. Somebody!” Bleakus word good one dude

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zam I hate it that my husband doesnt want to wear a pink shirt. :? noni
Pink looks so good on guys! Some guys just don't have the balls to wear it, they think it is an insult to their manliess when in fact I would have to say it shows that they are secure in their manlieness! Bleakus
hahaha :lol: :lol: :lol:
thats your opinion dude zam then tell us bleaky why dont you guys wear pink plain shirt? :roll: Bleakus
i dont own a pink plain shirt dude bushra21 that wasnt her question.... dude Bleakus
shut up bushra Bleakus ok you wanna know my opinion i think pink looks on girl better than guys. I dont wear pink because i dont like it if i wear it, makes me feel like a girl. If guys wanna wear it let them wear it, if they wanna wear make up, thats up to them, its just in my opinion im not like that. so zam is this enough reason not to wear pink? ;) noni, weither you like it or not im a man, alright :) bear I can't take a dude in a pink shirt seriously.
sara_uk
What is wrong with it? it looks nice it is called fashion :lol: I have seen so many guys in pink shirt with dark colour suit they look amazing. Pink is not only for girls , guys wear any colour ,it just depend how they match it. rvp_legend
Pink Shirts are for those who lift it. ;-)
(only kidding!)
On a serious note, i have this argument with my girlfriend all the time. Fact is many men dont like the colour whatever the reason. Many guys also wear it so its upto each person to decide.
i know MANY girls who refuse to wear Brown, or Navy Blue. So its kind of in the same pot.
Traditionally its been associated with the females.... and some men really like it. Others hate it. I personally wouldnt wear it. After much advise to my g/f she still baught me one i still havent worn it ;-) boomtown Wheres a picture of the gotti boys in pink shirts when you need one.... bushra21
does that make you feel like more of a man?
dude
:roll: Bleakus
no it doesnt, wearing a blue shirt does lol ;) j/k
no dude, im sorry i told you that dude, didnt mean it bushra21 dude, its all right i know you want me... dude :twisted: Bleakus
i am trying to hide it bushra, please forgive me ;) bushra21
nope, cant do that...tough shit
DUDE bear
It's called a Kilt bro, and people probably feel the same way about me wearing my Kilt as I feel about them wearing pink shirts.
It all balances baby noni Oh you boys are stubborn!!!! Look at Kanye West...hes the king of pink and it looks so hot St.Lucifer I dont think there's anything wrong in wearing a pink shirt. I mean we can keep a pink shirt DF meet as well. :wink: and yea one more idea should be y should men dress up in trousers? we can wear skirts if not short ones full length skirts atleast .hahah bear
There is just something fundamentally wrong about a man wearing a pink shirt.
Thats how it works in bear land Bleakus
im down on one bended knee bushra, please forgive me ;) ...........dude ;) bear
yeah but Kanye West is a nancy boy. :roll: rvp_legend
Next thing you know, you also want us to talk like him....
what a foul thought!
Pink is for girls and Lifters... lets leave it there! St.Lucifer
As far as it is comfortable.
Some people refer to skirts as kilts, sarongs or pareos for those who are fearful to associate the word "skirt" with men. - :) noni [quote="rvp_legend"]
Next thing you know, you also want us to talk like him....
what a foul thought!
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Kon the louis vuitton don :P rvp_legend give me any other colour. Purple, Burgandy - i will wear without fuss. Pink, just doesnt seem right! Jamal pink is pimp baby ... id rock it anytime. and ohh yea for the record kilt= skirt kandoora= dress ( and if u wearin a white one then it = samsung fridges walkin around ) hope i did justice with the brand :lol: :lol: noni
thank you jamal! pink is SO pimp... zam
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
whatever you guys but I still think pink plain shirt looks good in a guy, makes him appear neat and tidy :wink:
and for those who wouldnt wear it, its just your ego 'dude' :lol: rvp_legend Noni likes Moody men who dress in pink and talk like Kanye West. im happy to hold on to the Ego thanks. :-) noni o puhleeeeez rvp_legend! I do not like moody men and just because you are not sure about your manhood, doesn't mean you have to take it out on innocent me :P rvp_legend Im a red blooded male who only chases skirts, thank you ;-) Anyway... Since you like Pinky, Moody Kanye west lookalikes and soundalikes.... do you also prefer them to talk with "hands on hips?" ;-) noni HAHAHAHA noooooooooooo...you got me all wrong bear I've come back here and actually read this article... I like it. asc_26
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Funny!



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