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kanelli I don't think anyone can miss the tone of this message:

I agree with you partially GAB. Ideally we should not judge a person until we "meet" them, however, is this not "meeting" on a forum? Sure, we are not able to reach out and touch a person, but still - we are interacting with people all the same. Maybe some people hide behind an avatar and change their personality because they can get away with it - but what does that say about a person if they can't be themselves? It certainly presents a problem when it comes time to meet in person and suddenly you have to be responsible for your words.
arniegang Gab This is a excellent example. I consider you a friend, but i will have to respectfully disagree with you. How we conduct ourselves whether it be on a message board/forum or in real life makes no difference to me. You mentioned "tone", if you read up within this very thread you will notice Liban told K to jump off a cliff. In this instance "tone" has no place or relevance. It is directly rude and cannot be construed as anything else. Being or playing a "devils advocate" has no place within the confines of respect or friendship. It would be false to not have the ability to disagree with friends. Like i said in my post its how we disagree that matters. Siting on a fence works for some i agree, but to me the inability to disagree within a friendship, would make me question the concept of that friendship. I feel i know you well enough to openly and respecfully disagree with you here openly, likewise i did with shaf a while ago.. I dont feel the need to "pm" you on this subject, and that is where i feel the concept here with regards Liban differs. Nucleus Hi, kanelli, well, I'm too ashamed to reply to that, but thanks for your kind words and I pray for kindness and wisdom for everyone... including me, I'll leave at that. Liban, I think I'll stop posting, as what I'm saying seems to be falling on deaf ears. One brother said, when we break one set of idols inside us, i think what we find is a whole bunch more that are more subtle and harder to find and break. this, to me, is the purpose of the deen: to help us to see all of those places inside us where our surrender is not complete, some part of us on the inside that is turned toward other than Him, and heal them by turning to Him in them. i don't wish to imply that anyone struggles with these things any more than i do. surely we are all equal in the fact of our slavehood before Him, and we are where He puts us and nowhere else. from islam to iman to ihsan is a long road; may Allah have mercy upon all of us who find ourselves on it, or anywhere near it! If this is a forum it doesn't makes a difference, because words can hurt & heal people too. I'm very sorry if I've misspoken. God bless; I think we need blessings... Mysterieuse As humans, we unfortunatly tend to generalize and so when we meet people of a certain culture we say they are open, approachable, rude, ignorant, kind, giving, stingy and so on.... That being said, as muslims are duty is to live by our religion to the best. The prophet, pbuh, always was calm, patient and kind to all people no matter their religion. Patience is one of the hardest traits to achieve however being patient takes you a long way. In arguing, we need to always be patient, respectful and even when harsh words and actions are thrown our way we need to remain good, respectful, patient and decent. In respecting ourselves, we respect others and above all our religion. In reading your posts, you always speak of islam and you seem to know your stuff. Yet you tend to give a wrong image of our religion. Disrespecting Choco, HP..., using bad language, having a picture of a pot head baby. From what I see, you enjoy provoking and getting a reaction out of people, but remember you are a muslim and everyday you are representing islam as all the other muslims out there and so we need to show what the virtues and traits of our true religion. Liban Mysterieuse, thankyou for your post. AFAIK, your post was not mysterious :) It is true what you say and I support it 100%. The Prophet would have been calm when faced with the racism and bigotry of Choco, Kanelli, Goodbai, and Arniegang. While I was calm in my posts, I was not passive either. I have been working towards that goal and lately it has been so. Nonetheless, people like that need to be taught a lesson and while I know that on Judgement Day, they will learn their lesson, my nature wills them to learn it sooner. I know its not a good thing. Thank you once again Mysterieuse, you spoke like a true Muslim. A true Muslim like any other, like Shafique or Intimacy... Salam Aleykum kanelli Liban, you have never been able to post one example of how I have been a racist or bigot. You deserve a slap in the face for how you have slandered me. I don't consider you a good Muslim at all. Liban The only person to pass judgement on me is Allah/God.
I care little for your judgement of myself.
Also, who do you think you are to threaten me with violence?? Take heed, if you ever think you can even attemp to lay a hand on me, you will live to regret it. I will respond as per Islamic Law. Guilo2 Lovely forum... just lovely. chambersalakkad a salaam to all, i am muslim (revert, convert) use the term as you like.. as one who was given christian teachings as a daily dose when a child and one who questioned as i read and became older and finally asked Allah for the right guidance..i am tempted to put my 2 cents. The Prophet (pbuh) was all of the virtues msyt say however, he never taught that we as muslims should turn the other cheek,,, see Nabi Issa"s law for that Islam gives the muslim to be angry at insults and injuries to dignity , life and limb, to name a few,,, I believe in islamic teaching to not be angry when anger was definitely solicited is to be considered a donkey. Allah says in the books including christian text that he gave every green thing as a remedy for some ill.. therefore having a picture of mary brown on the baby hat does not make one a renegade ,,,, if one over eats of even the most halal thing his action can be questionable Ever heard about the benefits of hemp... paper, fabric,,,etc.. better than cotton in all issues. The benefit of living in muslim land is that muslim should feel free to speak according to Islamic democracy....and while in the west the muslims have to respect western ways... the guests in muslim land should return the favour. In the end all muslims repeat the same THERE IS NO ONE GOD AND...... AND TO THE 5 PILLARS. So what does one profess to gain by dressing down the other... the Mumin wants for his brother what he wants for himself.. :?: To threaten one muslim is to threaten all muslims ,,, take care not to open the flood gates to kufr. Ma salama yshimy
ChamerSalakkad.
Hope i understood you wrong.
But from what i read......
You are true, The Prophet PBUH didn't teach us to turn the other cheek, but he taught us much more precious and effective way.
1) Al a'fo enda al makdera = Forgivness when you are able. Here it means when you are able to punish or to react. But when you can't... how can you forgive if you can't punish. (correct me if i'm wrong)
2) Al rahma = Mercy
In Mecca they tortured The prophet and his followers and did things you can' imagine and killed, tortured them. so they had to migrate to the Madina. then years later Muhammed came back and opened Mecca and was able to take it as a leader....
What did he do to the people who tortured him, his friends, killed his followers and their families??? boycotted him, his trade, the trade of people who supports him???
(Ezhabo fa antom al tolaka')= Go you are Free (hope my translation is helpful) but here he meant that he forgave them.
Don't assume our religion promote anger and violance, but there are things that are must for the health of the society, so Eye for an Eye is applicable and thats why you can see less violance in the Middle east than anywhere else in the world.... i don't mean in the war zones, but i mean among the regular people, check crime rate, safety of people, domestic violance.
Also the qisas, or shariaa rules, for rapers, or adultry, they are very strict, but they are so to preserve the society not to be violant.
Cheers
my 2 cents

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chambersalakkad I will never argue about the Prophet's sunnah... so whatever he did and said and ordered to do is well and right with me... I commented only to the post which seemed to issue a threat to someone muslim and usually i sit on the side and i read and keep my silence.... I am all for law and order,,, have no problems with the sharia....as IT SAYS IN THE QURAN.. So once again A Mumin wants for others no less than he, she wants for the self...I beleive that is Prophetic teaching... and i did not say Muslim. Therefore if the Muslims and Mumins most imporantly do not unite, the Kufr (and i mean disbelievers here) from any category of life will only be the winners to divide and conquer.. I found no fault and passed no judgement on Liban... and remeber the Prophet was as Allah says the best among mankind... I read that as maybe he was more patient than most.... I am working to find out on the last day,,, hoping these words will be pleasing t o Allah as i will have to anwer for them and the previous ones.. Masalamma Mysterieuse Liban, I do understand where Kaneli is coming from. You have really slandered her in the past using very foul language and being aggressive. Also, in response to muslims sticking together. While I do believe we should help one another out, we should stick to truth in judgement. Nowadays unfortunately you cannot stick to someone just being s/he is muslim because there are many muslims in name. We need to stick to the truth. I would stand up for you Liban against Kaneli however you attitude towards her was very offensive especially to women using words obscene words. I was also curious and you did not answer me yet. Why the picture of a pot head baby when you constantly speak of Islam. Shouldn't you be more conservative? sniper420
U bet it isnt lovely... see my posts number? yeah addictivee :occasion7: arniegang Liban You need to remember the silent majority on here. K is far from alone in her opinions and the silent majority number on here number more than you think. Does it not concern you that a lot of your comments actually frighten many on here, especially the female fraternity. I know you make yourself out to be something that you are not. I really dont see what you wish to gain from creating this illusion, other than as suggested by Kanelli that you get some form of "kick" out of it. If this is the case, why dont you just lighten up. I can assure you Liban there are quite a few on this forum that may or may not goto the meet tomorrow because of you. At the end of the day Liban, people will have a pre-formed opinion about you from how you project yourself with these boards. Lets be totally frank here Liban. How do you expect someone like Kanelli to greet you, with open arms, a hug or to not mention or be affraid to discuss something controversial ?? at any meeting, after the way you have addressed and abused her and others. Some of us here have formed true friendships in meeting through these Boards. It would be inconcievable for me within the terms and respect of those friendships i have made, to speak to them with total and utter disrespect on here, like you have. Dont take this as a flame, i just wanted to point out some obvious factors which i feel that you may not have registered or actually thought about unless mentioned, and i believe in speaking in how it actually is. At the end of the day Liban you have a choice, there are many nice peeps on here that i can tell you are genuinely nice people including their partners. Whether or not we all agree or disagree on a given subject matters not, its how respectful we are to each other that matters. People have a perception of the way others project themselves in public on here, only a fool would think otherwise. kelly1966
Arnie,
I must say that was very well put. As you probably have noticed, I have not been saying too much lately due to the fact that I was tired of being jumped on every time I said something. From now on I try to keep my religious beliefs and opinions to myself.
There are alot of genuinely nice people on this forum, but I must say, that you have to watch out for others as well, as their true colors show in their posts.
A true friend does not slander, flame or ridicule another friend. Everyone has faults, and that is just a part of being a human being, but nobody deserves to be walked on or talked down to by another person.
I have met alot of wonderful "true" friends on this forum (they know who they are :) ). They are people that you can trust....and that is a big thing when it comes to friendship. GAB Part of a forum can be to play devil's advocate and as I've always said tone is lost in posting. If someone is offended a simple pm-which I consider to be private and personal, can solve the issue. My philosophy is you can't judge someone until you know them. emadullah
My brother, pls be cool. dont try to take revenge just forget and forgive man. ignore it man.
it is not a man who wil decide who is good muslim or bad muslim. we cannot judge who is good b4 allah. only allah knows who is good in deeds....be cool liban dont care if someone says something bad for u. just dont mind it. Liban
Must have missed that question :oops:
I am a conservative individual. However, I do beleive in a sense of humor. Avatars are jokes, mine is no different. kanelli Here is a great post by Goodbai, who is also slandered as a racist by Liban.

Gee, who is the racist? We're still waiting for all the evidence of our racist posts Liban...
kanelli Here is an example of me being racist...


Oh wait, sorry, that is an example of how I am not racist. :lol: kanelli
Liban, don't you remember calling me "tolerant" and "friendly"? The only time I am unfriendly to you is when you spew hatred against people and governments in the name of Islam and when you personally insult me. kanelli And finally, here is a classic quote - since Liban is so concerned about me being a violent woman. :)
kanelli Liban says that women are supposed to be treated like queens according to Islam. Seems he only thinks Muslim women deserve respect. That would be again Liban's version of Islam which seems to be quite different than that practiced by many other wonderful Muslims on this board.
Choco got this earful for NO reason other than the fact that Liban wanted to hurt her...

By the way, Choco has made no such posts, as she isn't blond or ample breasted. kanelli
Thank you Mysterieuse, I really appreciate your support on the current issue. I completely agree that one should stick to the truth and what is right, not side with someone because they share the same religion (or nationality or whatever common "name"). Mysterieuse Kanelli thanks! That is exactly what I was talking about Liban in my posts. You always talk highly of islam yet your actions are contradicting. Also, the prophet, pbuh, did have a sense of humor he always had a clean one. Pot head baby, foul language, vulgar words and insuts to women is just not right. I was in shock reading a lof of your posts. Instead of arguing calmly you are agressive and hence gettng negative reactions out of individuals. Maybe you should be more peaceful and calmer. Again I emphasize on patience, calmness and RESPECTING everyone. sniper420
Oh Lord! Liban is that type - man of high principles trying to practice. He was like that since day one. read mine and his posts u will get to know him. preach something and practice another. If u ask him now why is he like that he would reply " I have lived in West many yrs and now even though I am physically in MY arab world (yet they dont provide nationality) my mental mind is still in that dirty WEST (which kindly did provide nationality) and I am slowly getting rid of the vestiges of WEST"
Oh nooooo I didnt want to take part in flamming anymore but no choice so here we go......... kanelli
a) DESERVES as slap doesn't mean WILL SLAP AT NEXT OPPORTUNITY
b) A PERSON insults me as a moron and racist, and another woman as the same plus whore on top - yet you suddenly want to speak up against a threat of violence against a MUSLIM? What is wrong with you? Why are you making this a religious issue? When Liban threatened me with violence, no Christians were posting in my defense quoting the bible and claiming to stand up to speak out against tthreats of violence to a CHRISTIAN. They knew it was a PERSON to PERSON issue, not a RELIGION to RELIGION issue. Take the religious blinders off and see INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE and basics of ethics and decency with which they should be treating each other. sniper420
Well it's brotherhood and sisterhood thingy as a mafia saying "u bang my man we give yah bang bangs" Seriously kanelli u should stop convincing Liban that he is bad, cos he does believe he is bad so problem solved...... :roll: kanelli Sniper, Liban knows he is wrong, but he rarely apologises, and he doesn't change his behaviour. In fact, he uses the excuse that he can say what he wants because he is an Arab Muslim and they have a lot to be angry about. Well, you know what - they may have a lot to be angry about, but they shouldn't take it out on innocent individuals on a bulletin board. This forum is made up of different people from different cultures with different perspectives on issues. They DO NOT deserve to be verbally abused and slandered by an intolerant person who can't control his temper, or just wants to stir the pot. GAB
I'd say Kanelli that you've hit the nail on the head. Nucleus
That's very wrong even in a joke.

One more thing, you should apologize kanelli. kanelli
It is a very interesting excuse that Liban gives you Sniper.
Arab does not equal Islamic, and there are aren't as many Arabs here in Dubai as there are other nationalities :) Dubai is quite liberal, and a very easy place to move after having lived in Canada. :) Maybe that is why Dubai in the UAE is Liban's preference, rather than moving to Iran or Saudi Arabia where he could enjoy a more strict Islamic environment with far more Arab people. Or... perhaps Liban is trying to have the best of both worlds - claiming to be a very patriotic and faithful Arab Muslim, yet following unfaithful practices and choosing to live in the most liberal and multicultural place he can find in the Middle East. Very interesting indeed. Maybe he isn't really that religious - only a major major pot stirrer on this forum!
I apologise for commenting on whether Liban is a good Muslim or not. I completely agree that Allah is the most important judge. I've mentioned before in another thread that it isn't anyone's place to judge - only a god can do that for those who are religious people. Nucleus
Two wrongs doesn't make a right.
Oh you who believe!
Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God,
even against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin,
and whether it be against rich or poor,
for God can best protect both.
Follow not the cravings of your hearts, lest you swerve,
and if you distort justice or decline to do justice,
verily God is well acquainted with all that you do .
(Qur'an 4:135) kanelli Thank you Nucleus, you are a kind and wise person. Liban Kaneli, you have too much time on your hands.... Go find a cliff and jump... Mysterieuse Again Liban with the negativity "go find a cliff and jump". When you have nothing to say because you know you are WRONG, you just say anything. I do agree with Kanelli about a person to person and it should not be turned to a religion war or nationality war. As for living in the west. I was brought up in Canada all my life and it is not a "dirty west". It depends on the people YOU have met. Just like in Dubai there are dirty people. Just because you may have been bad you cannot blame in on the culture. If you are a good person you will be good everywhere regardless of your surroundings. So to say you are getting of the "dirty west" is wrong. It should be rather you are getting over your "dirty personality (if it is the case)" and trying to improve. Hence being honest and admitting faults. An amazing trait is to admit faults. I think Kanelli posting those posts in proving certain points was admirable. she did not just reply "go jump of a cliff" but took further steps in showing you were she was repulsed by your attititude. Liban, I really think you owe Kanelli and choco an apology. kanelli
I was thinking about this briefly, and it left a sick feeling in my stomach. If Liban is a Wind-Up Merchant (WUM) who says outrageous things to attract attention to himself and stir up some action for his own amusement, what does that mean for this forum?
It means that Liban has been inflaming the Islam vs. West issues that are very touchy since 9/11. He has been slandering people and spewing hate, giving extreme opinions that he doesn't even believe in, then watching to see everyone from each side fall for the bait.
Are you all happy to be manipulated by Liban for his own selfish amusement? Do you want to have tensions and misunderstanding with others on this board because someone finds it amusing to get everyone riled up?
Even if Liban believes what he says on this forum, it marks him as a racist, intolerant and rude person.
So, Liban, you have been called out! Do you have anything to say to us? Liban Kanelli you are boring me to death.... You are so fascinated with me and I am growing tired of your little attemps to ridicule me. I used to find myself bemused at your attempts to make me look like a villain. Now I am just tired and bored. Keep yapping away all you want by trying to get people against me, it will not work because of the silent majority who actually speaks to me on a personal basis on the phone and who I have met countless times. This mentally of "us vs. them" is at the core of your personal ideology from what I see.... Did you intern at George Bush Academy? :) Kanelli, keep trying to involve yourself by trying to spread your awkward and misplaced beleifs of me being evil and, who knows, maybe you will start to amuse me once more. Good Luck and God Bless! arniegang



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